"Drill, Baby, Drill" Just Another Repug Lie

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[SnakeBoy]

And your point is?

[Sec24Row7]

How can you make that projection at all? It's not that kind of business... it could be a lot more or even less than that projection...

That's the nature of "exploration".

[boutons_]

The numbers are low. US consumes about 20-21 Mb/day. But the ratio of POTENTIAL new-found US offshore oil will be a miniscule fraction, many years away, of US oil consumption and will have essentially no effect on US gasolne prices.

The point is that the inane, childish Repub chant "drill, baby, drill" (do adults really do such things?) is really a facade to hide giving the oilcos more leases before dubya and dickhead leave office.

US cannot drill its way out of high oil prices. It has only 2-3% of the world's proven reserves, 20%+ of the world consumption, and if the US oilcos could have proven more reserves, they would have done it by now. They get 10s of $Bs in subsidies and tax cuts, and just pocket them, with nothing to show the US taxpayer.

They have millions of acres on and offshore now that they are not exploring and drilling.

Exploration is a huge, expensive bet where the house nearly always wins. Much more sure is to accelerate transport efficiency, accelerate/increase CAFE, alternative fuels and plug-in cars. The savings in oil consumed for transport, pushing down demand, are vastly greater and more sure than tiny increase in oil, if any at all, from offshore drilling.

btw, a priority now is drilling for natural gas, which takes millions of gallons of fresh water PER HOLE, water that is poisoned with chemicals and forced down the hole to free up the gas from the fractured shale. There is serious risk of polluting groud water of aquifers, as well as producing lakes of this toxic water. "environmental impact statement"? GMAFB

But, they are oilco filthy, septic whores, so the Repugs "Lie, Baby, Lie". It's in their genes. Maybe Big Pharma can sell them some pills to pop so they get the fuck out of the way of a national energy policy that prioritizes conservation and alternative fuels rather than ONLY offshore drilling gambles.

[Sec24Row7]

God you are so full of shit your eyes are brown.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The point is you don't know shit about the oil business (or anything else, for that matter).

That cute little chart you have assumes no drilling in new areas where they know there's a ton of oil.

The bottom line is anyone on the left who is against oil, but sits there and bitches about oil prices, oil profits, our need for energy independence, etc. is a fucking idiot.

[Wild Cobra]

I'll bet that chart only includes the offshore drilling the democrats are willing to let be drilled, and not a representation of what we can drill that is out there.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'll bet that chart only includes the offshore drilling the democrats are willing to let be drilled, and not a representation of what we can drill that is out there.

It's based on what oil companies currently have access to. In short, it completely ignores all the volume that is in areas that are off limits to drilling and about as dumb a graph to use as a person could come up with.

[Fabbs]

Of the foreign oil, how much of it is from Canada? Those terrorists.

[TheProfessor]

If we need to open up some land to push through resources for alternatives, go for it. Do what you can to limit the environmental impact and move on from there. I don't think it will have all that much of an economic impact, but concessions need to be made if we're going to get anywhere.

[boutons_]

"they know there's a ton of oil."


Since Aggie is such an expert on oil, a few simple questions:

Really, where is this "known", proven oil? How much is there?

What is its percentage of world's known reserves (I keep reading it's 3%).

How many years of "known" US oil is there to be sucked up with the US consuming about 250 M barrels/year?

If the oilcos explored it and proven it's down there, why aren't they drilling?

Nobody knows if or how much unexplored offshore is to be discovered, if any, so the Repugs squealing "drill baby drill" as if the US can drill its way out of high oil prices is 100% lie.

[Anti.Hero]

Why are you against drilling in ANWR, boutons?

[boutons_]

"against drilling in ANWR"

Because the proven ANWR reserves are less than 1 year of US gasoline consumption. Do you have a different number?

What kind of "solution" is ANWR vs. taking the huge tax breaks and subsidies the oilcos will receive for ANWR and everywhere else and applies those funds to REDUCE oil consumption, (year after year vs 1 yr ANWR), not increase or maintain it?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"they know there's a ton of oil."


Since Aggie is such an expert on oil, a few simple questions:



:lmao

http://www.dakotavoice.com/2008/06/half-of-us-oil-is-off-limits-to.html

The above references a report prepared for Congress by the Department of the Interior's Bureau of Land Management.



Really, where is this "known", proven oil? How much is there?


"The total onshore resource is 31 billion barrels," said BLM's lead scientist Richard Watson, who authored the report. "Of that, 19 billion barrels are currently inaccessible or 62 percent. A little over 2 billion barrels, or 8 percent, is accessible under what we call standard lease terms."

If you add in the 85.9 billion barrels of oil that lie offshore, as determined by the Interior Department's Minerals Management Service, there are 117 billion barrels of oil on lands owned or managed by the U.S. government.

Add another 8 billion if you open up ANWR.



What is its percentage of world's known reserves (I keep reading it's 3%).


Who gives a shit what percentage it is? I thought this was about us 1) being energy independent and 2) bringing the cost of gasoline down.



How many years of "known" US oil is there to be sucked up with the US consuming about 250 M barrels/year?


First, your math is off. We consume about 8 billion barrels of oil per year. 125 billion barrels of oil, with no new discoveries, leads to about 15 years of an oil supply. Do the math.

And you have apparently ignored what I've been saying on here for a while. We need a comprehensive energy solution, that will include new drilling, nuclear, wind, hydroelectric, tidal, etc.

You libtards seem to think that there is some magic bullet out there in the alternative energy sector, some magical yet to be discovered solution (well, right now you like us all paying more for all our food because of your ethanol fetish).

Drilling isn't a permanent solution for this country's energy needs. It's a stop gap until we can get all the other shit in place to become energy independent.



If the oilcos explored it and proven it's down there, why aren't they drilling?


Because all leases have to be permitted, they can't just go out there and say 'hey look, oil, let's start drilling.' And the other thing that the tree huggers in D.C. do is only grant permits for a limited amount of time. So they say "yeah, Exxon, you can have a lease out there, but you only have six months to drill. Not enough time? Well, golly gee, that's too bad, nevermind..."



Nobody knows if or how much unexplored offshore is to be discovered, if any, so the Repugs squealing "drill baby drill" as if the US can drill its way out of high oil prices is 100% lie.


Actually, thanks to the Bureau of Land Management, we have a pretty fucking good idea. And yeah, we can drill out of high oil prices, so you're 100% full of shit. As usual.


From the above link, and the Bureau of Land Management study, we are sitting on more oil deposits than the sum of Iran, Iraq, Russia, Nigeria or Venezuela, respectively.

And yet we continue with this no drilling bullshit while being held hostage by the Middle East, and watch Venezuela and Russia running around throwing their oil money around.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"against drilling in ANWR"

Because the proven ANWR reserves are less than 1 year of US gasoline consumption. Do you have a different number?

What kind of "solution" is ANWR vs. taking the huge tax breaks and subsidies the oilcos will receive for ANWR and everywhere else and applies those funds to REDUCE oil consumption, (year after year vs 1 yr ANWR), not increase or maintain it?

You can't magically reduce oil consumption without making everyone in this country go broke paying $8 a gallon for gas. But then the government will just give us all our fuel anyway, right komrade boutons?

Drilling in the ANWR and off our coasts isn't a permanent solution, but it should be part of a comprehensive energy package.

[SnakeBoy]

"Drill, Baby, Drill" isn't just about oil either, it includes natural gas also. We are the middle east when it comes to natural gas reserves yet we have to import 20% of our natural gas. I'm sick of the democrats view that everyone should just suffer until a renewable solution is found.

[Shastafarian]

The problem is that deficiency begets innovation. What is the incentive right now to research other technologies if people believe we can get a 10-15 year reprieve? The dial-down of fossil fuels NEEDS to begin now. We shouldn't be drilling MORE.

[Anti.Hero]

"Drill, Baby, Drill" isn't just about oil either, it includes natural gas also. We are the middle east when it comes to natural gas reserves yet we have to import 20% of our natural gas. I'm sick of the democrats view that everyone should just suffer until a renewable solution is found.

That reminds me. Anyone know how Pelosi's alternative energy stock is doing?..the one she threw a couple hundred thousand in.

[Anti.Hero]

The problem is that deficiency begets innovation. What is the incentive right now to research other technologies if people believe we can get a 10-15 year reprieve? The dial-down of fossil fuels NEEDS to begin now. We shouldn't be drilling MORE.

:lmao


You think others think like you too. Until gas hits $5. Then your buddies will turn on you and want to club seals themselves.


Once it hits $7, they will be looking to club a lot more than seals though.

[Shastafarian]

Yeah. That's why I hate people like you.

blow me


You think others think like you too. Until gas hits $5. Then your buddies will turn on you and want to club seals themselves.

Yeah that might happen. Or you know what could happen? The rising gas prices would get people to support alternative energy options....dipshit.

[Anti.Hero]

blow me



Yeah that might happen. Or you know what could happen? The rising gas prices would get people to support alternative energy options....dipshit.

They already do genius. They just dont want to pay $8 until Einstein in his garage figures out how to turn rainbows into fuel.

[Shastafarian]

They already do genius. They just dont want to pay $8 until Einstein in his garage figures out how to turn rainbows into fuel.

I can tell you're an educated man. If you weren't I would have to describe how alternative fuels like wind and solar energy are ALREADY functional, but they don't have enough support to make them widespread. I'm glad I'm speaking with an educated man. Hey I think I see a rainbow...

[ChumpDumper]

So how much will unlimited drilling lower the price of gasoline?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

blow me



Yeah that might happen. Or you know what could happen? The rising gas prices would get people to support alternative energy options....dipshit.

I don't think there's anyone against alternative energy options. It's just some of us are smart enough to realize we won't be able to go up and fill up our cars with it any time soon. Unlike libs.

[Fabbs]

I don't think there's anyone against alternative energy options. It's just some of us are smart enough to realize we won't be able to go up and fill up our cars with it any time soon. Unlike libs.
The gas and oil companies are for alternative options? :rollin
Only when their current record setting profits run out and/or they control the alternatives. Get real.

Alternative forms have probably been available for years. Just squelched by pig oil. It's not a demoncrat or repug issue, both are lobbied by the oil pigs, both suck off the corporations.

[Shastafarian]

The gas and oil companies are for alternative options? :rollin
Only when their current record setting profits run out and/or they control the alternatives. Get real.

Alternative forms have probably been available for years. Just squelched by pig oil. It's not a demoncrat or repug issue, both are lobbied by the oil pigs, both suck off the corporations.

BINGO. That's why it needs to be us who force the issue.

[TheMadHatter]

Why so much emphasis on oil? We should be looking for alternative fuels NOW instead of wasting our time on oil.

[boutons_]

"this country go broke paying $8 a gallon for gas."

$8/gal or more would be the best thing to happen to USA. It would FORCE huge efficiencies in transport fuel, electric cars, alternative fuels, driving down oil consumption MUCH more that drilling more for oil would increase supply.

Still haven't answered my questions about how much proven oil on/offshore and why aren't the oilcos already sucking it up?

"drill, baby, drill" is just another lying Repug slogan without any basis.

[Wild Cobra]

Why so much emphasis on oil? We should be looking for alternative fuels NOW instead of wasting our time on oil.
I would agree with you if alternate energy was ready to replace oil. It isn't. If we don't drill while we develop other sources, we will have some very expensive energy costs in a few years. We simply are not there yet to rely on alternative energy sources.

I hope you liberals remember to blame the democrats when that happens if they manage to keep oil production stalled.

Wind can help, but is intermittent.

Solar power is nice but I don't think there is a payoff in it yet. By the time the costs pay for itself, the solar cells lifetime is up. I think they still only last about 10 years before they start to degrade notably.

Hydrogen fuel cells in cars would be great. As far as I know, most of the design problems are solved. Still, it takes 44 kilo-watt-hours of power to make the equivalent of 1 gallon of gasoline. That power has to come from somewhere. Other methods of generating hydrogen with less energy are not green. In fact, rather nasty.

Nuclear power is a good way to go, but will the liberals and green weenies ever let it happen?

Hatter, what good ideas are out there? Of all the ideas that sound good, they simply have other problems.

[Wild Cobra]

Still haven't answered my questions about how much proven oil on/offshore and why aren't the oilcos already sucking it up?

There are plenty of proven reserves out there. Why bother looking it up when the democrats wont let us go there. There are probably ten times as much oil out there waiting to be discovered too. What's the point of paying to look for it if we cannot dill it?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The gas and oil companies are for alternative options? :rollin
Only when their current record setting profits run out and/or they control the alternatives. Get real.

Alternative forms have probably been available for years. Just squelched by pig oil. It's not a demoncrat or repug issue, both are lobbied by the oil pigs, both suck off the corporations.



BINGO. That's why it needs to be us who force the issue.

Yes, you libs and your forcing the issue is working out well. Just look at those record profits being pulled in by Exxon. That'll show 'em!

[Shastafarian]

I wasn't talking about liberals you partisan hack. I was talking about us as Americans. You do know there's a limited supply of oil in the world right? I guess you couldn't give a shit as along as republicans win something.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Why so much emphasis on oil? We should be looking for alternative fuels NOW instead of wasting our time on oil.

Corporations ARE looking for alternative fuels now. They haven't found any that can be brought to market in the mass scale necessary to replace oil.

And even if they did, it would take decades to completely retool our infrastructure.

Oil is a necessary evil until the alternatives can be brought to market. That's what is so stupid about you libtards. You don't want us to be dependent on oil, but there isn't a freakin' alternative to fill its void.

And who gives a shit if oil companies aren't looking into alternative fuels as much as libtards want? There are billions of dollars to be made by anyone who comes up with a replacement to fossil fuels. There's a ton of research being done, and someone will come up with a solution.

But until that, we need to make use of the resources available to our country to survive.

You guys crack me up. The sad thing about the liberal ideology is you all think that when gasoline hits 7-8 bucks a gallon all of a sudden people will actually start researching alternative fuels.

Newsflash: they already are, it's just no one's got a great solution yet.

Quit fucking up everyone's pocket books so you guys can save a few trees damnit.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I wasn't talking about liberals you partisan hack. I was talking about us as Americans. You do know there's a limited supply of oil in the world right? I guess you couldn't give a shit as along as republicans win something.

I care about America first and foremost. That's the problem with you libs. That's the problem with this country today. Shit is so partisan, it's all about winning and losing.

The only people winning right now are in the Middle East who are selling us oil and the oil companies who are laughing at all the liberal ecobullshit that is helping to drive up the cost of oil and keep us from tapping our own resources.

The day someone comes up with an alternative to fossil fuels, it will be shared with the world and we will all benefit. Until then, I'd rather not have the future of this country hinge on dictators in Venezuela, Russia, and the Middle East, wouldn't you?

[Shastafarian]

Corporations ARE looking for alternative fuels now. They haven't found any that can be brought to market in the mass scale necessary to replace oil.

And even if they did, it would take decades to completely retool our infrastructure.

Oil is a necessary evil until the alternatives can be brought to market. That's what is so stupid about you libtards. You don't want us to be dependent on oil, but there isn't a freakin' alternative to fill its void.

And who gives a shit if oil companies aren't looking into alternative fuels as much as libtards want? There are billions of dollars to be made by anyone who comes up with a replacement to fossil fuels. There's a ton of research being done, and someone will come up with a solution.

But until that, we need to make use of the resources available to our country to survive.

You guys crack me up. The sad thing about the liberal ideology is you all think that when gasoline hits 7-8 bucks a gallon all of a sudden people will actually start researching alternative fuels.

Newsflash: they already are, it's just no one's got a great solution yet.

Quit fucking up everyone's pocket books so you guys can save a few trees damnit.

awww isn't that nice. We're just trying to save a few trees. We have no vested interest in finding safe, renewable energy. We just want to stick it to the American people by charging them so much for gasoline. We just want to stick it to the oil companies for being so successful. Yeah...that's it.

[Shastafarian]

I care about America first and foremost. That's the problem with you libs. That's the problem with this country today. Shit is so partisan, it's all about winning and losing.

The only people winning right now are in the Middle East who are selling us oil and the oil companies who are laughing at all the liberal ecobullshit that is helping to drive up the cost of oil and keep us from tapping our own resources.

The day someone comes up with an alternative to fossil fuels, it will be shared with the world and we will all benefit. Until then, I'd rather not have the future of this country hinge on dictators in Venezuela, Russia, and the Middle East, wouldn't you?

Wow. I guess we have to add "naive" to your list of attributes.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

awww isn't that nice. We're just trying to save a few trees. We have no vested interest in finding safe, renewable energy. We just want to stick it to the American people by charging them so much for gasoline. We just want to stick it to the oil companies for being so successful. Yeah...that's it.

I'd like to see alternative fuels as well. I'm sorry your reading comprehension sucks. Until I can go down to the corner station and fill up on natural gas, or some super secret new fuel that the libs are sitting on while telling us we can't drill, can't use nuclear, no new coal plants, etc. you look like just another liberal sheep that can't think for himself.

[Shastafarian]

I'd like to see alternative fuels as well. I'm sorry your reading comprehension sucks. Until I can go down to the corner station and fill up on natural gas, or some super secret new fuel that the libs are sitting on while telling us we can't drill, can't use nuclear, no new coal plants, etc. you look like just another liberal sheep that can't think for himself.

Haha I'm the sheep? That's rich. When did you start supporting natural gas? Was it before or after billionaire Boone Pickens came out with his snazzy TV commercial. Like I said before, solar and wind are already functional but continue to be UNDERUTILIZED. There's also bio-fuels and geothermal energy that have yet to be tapped.

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[Fabbs]

Yes, you libs and your forcing the issue is working out well. Just look at those record profits being pulled in by Exxon. That'll show 'em!
Like it's strictly a repug - demoncrat issue. :lol Turn off your Rush Limbah show and enter the real world.

You said something about reading comprehension?
Originally Posted by Fabbs (as well as Shastafarians post which said nothing about being able to bring down the oil pig mafia with some political plan.)

The gas and oil companies are for alternative options?
Only when their current record setting profits run out and/or they control the alternatives. Get real.

Alternative forms have probably been available for years. Just squelched by pig oil. It's not a demoncrat or repug issue, both are lobbied by the oil pigs, both suck off the corporations.

You honestly think the oil pigs and corps have been trying to implement alternative sources? :lol:lol


baaaaahhhhh baaaaaaahhhh
Well said Shastafarian.

[Anti.Hero]

The funny part is that the elite libs are doing what they are doing for completely different purposes than what their libtard supporters are believing in.