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09-22-2008, 12:09 AM
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September 22, 2008

Big Financiers Start Lobbying for Wider Aid

By JENNY ANDERSON, VIKAS BAJAJ and LESLIE WAYNE

Even as policy makers worked on details of a $700 billion bailout of the financial industry, Wall Street began looking for ways to profit from it.

Financial firms were lobbying to have all manner of troubled investments covered, not just those related to mortgages.

At the same time, investment firms were jockeying to oversee all the assets that Treasury plans to take off the books of financial institutions, a role that could earn them hundreds of millions of dollars a year in fees.

Nobody wants to be left out of Treasury’s proposal to buy up bad assets of financial institutions.

“The definition of Financial Institution should be as broad as possible,” the Financial Services Roundtable, which represents big financial services companies, wrote in an e-mail message to members on Sunday.

The group said a wide variety of institutions as varied as mortgage lenders and insurance companies should be able to take advantage of the bailout, and that these companies should be able to sell off any investments linked to mortgages.

The scope of the bailout grew over the weekend. As recently as Saturday morning, the Bush administration’s proposal called for Treasury to buy residential or commercial mortgages and related securities. By that evening, the proposal was broadened to give Treasury discretion to buy “any other financial instrument.”

The lobbying became particularly intense because Congress plans to approve a package within just two weeks, without the traditional hearings and committee process.

“Of course there will be fierce lobbying,” said Bert Ely, a financial services industry consultant in Alexandria, Va. “The real question is, Who wouldn’t want to be included in the package?”

Mr. Ely said the open-ended nature of the Treasury’s plan could be interpreted to mean that the government was open to acquiring “any asset, anywhere in the world.”

“The question that I am raising — is there any limit?” Mr. Ely said.
Each part of the financial industry is pursuing its own interests.

Small banks, for example, are pushing the government to buy loans they made to home builders and commercial developers. Wall Street banks are lobbying to temporarily suspend certain accounting rules to avoid taking big losses on the assets they sell to Treasury, which would weaken them further.

Over the weekend, the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association, Wall Street’s main trade and lobbying group, held conference calls to discuss “your firms’ views and priorities related to Treasury’s proposal,” according to an e-mail message sent to members.

One of the calls addressed the fact that municipal securities were not included in the proposals released at the end of last week. Some bankers are pushing for government support of those securities as part of a broader effort to restore investor confidence in money market funds.

The group also discussed which securities would be eligible to be sold to Treasury. Under the latest proposal, the government would buy securities issued on or before Sept. 17.

But some bankers debated whether the cutoff date should be December 2007, when the market was clearly seizing up, to avoid bailing out those who bought securities recently. Other firms hope to be hired to manage the assets that Treasury acquires, a job that could earn them $1 billion a year, even if they charged fees that were modest by industry standards. Among them are the asset management companies Pimco and BlackRock. Morgan Stanley (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/morgan_stanley/index.html?inline=nyt-org), the investment bank, is also vying for the work.

Some private equity firms, including the Blackstone Group (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/blackstone_group/index.html?inline=nyt-org), may be interested in pursuing an asset-management assignment from the government, people briefed on the matter said. Such firms have already expressed interest in buying up distressed debts after having bet against them early last year.

That raises complications because those firms hold assets similar to the ones the Treasury plans to buy. Democrats suggested on Sunday that a provision be added to avoid any conflicts of interest, with a firm making money from handling assets like its own.

William H. Gross, chief investment officer of Pimco, which manages about $830 billion in assets, would like to be an asset manager for the government but said he had not been in touch with Henry M. Paulson Jr. (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/henry_m_jr_paulson/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the Treasury secretary, over the weekend. Mr. Gross is among the financial executives Mr. Paulson, who previously headed Goldman Sachs (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/goldman_sachs_group_inc/index.html?inline=nyt-org), has regularly consulted with since the financial crisis began.

Another contender is Morgan Stanley, which advised Treasury on an unpaid public service basis on its takeover of Fannie Mae (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/fannie_mae/index.html?inline=nyt-org) and Freddie Mac (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/freddie_mac/index.html?inline=nyt-org) and on the American International Group (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/american_international_group/index.html?inline=nyt-org), the insurer that the Federal Reserve (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal_reserve_system/index.html?inline=nyt-org) agreed to lend $85 billion to last week in consultation with the Treasury Department.

Similarly, Bank of New York (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/bank_of_new_york_company/index.html?inline=nyt-org) Mellon and JPMorgan Chase (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/morgan_j_p_chase_and_company/index.html?inline=nyt-org), which bought Bear Stearns (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/bear_stearns_companies/index.html?inline=nyt-org) in a deal brokered by the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department, were also campaigning for a spot.
BlackRock, a big New York asset management firm, was also involved in negotiations with the government, people briefed on the matter said. The firm is already managing $30 billion of Bear Stearns mortgage assets for the Fed, and it has done work for Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and A.I.G. A BlackRock spokeswoman declined to comment.

There were signs of the industry’s fingerprints on drafts of the legislation released over the weekend. While an earlier draft said that only firms with headquarters in the United States could sell assets to the government under the program, a later version said sellers could include any financial institution. Securities firms were initially excluded but were included in a version released Sunday afternoon.

Congressional Democrats and advocates of low-income homeowners were also pushing for the direct acquisition of loans, because that would give the government more say over how collection agents modify the terms of onerous mortgages.

“In addition to buying the assets we have to have a workout plan,” said Douglas Dachille, chief executive of First Principles Capital Management, an investment firm in New York. “And we have to have more control, much more control and oversight of how the servicing is done.”

Perhaps the biggest question about the Treasury’s acquisition plan is how the government will decide how much it is willing to pay for the loans and securities it acquires. Will the government drive a hard bargain and acquire assets for the lowest possible price to protect taxpayers against losses? Or will the Treasury Department, in the interest of jumpstarting the credit market, try to bolster large financial institutions like Citigroup (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/citigroup_inc/index.html?inline=nyt-org) and Washington Mutual (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/washington_mutual_inc/index.html?inline=nyt-org) by paying a slight premium to the markets’ valuation of these troubled assets? Over the weekend, Treasury said it might use “reverse” auctions in which financial institutions rather than the Treasury — as buyer — would submit bids.

“The trick for the Treasury and American people is to make sure that the price exacts enough of a toll on the originators and holders of these securities, but not enough to destroy lending,” said Mr. Gross of Pimco, who has argued in recent weeks that the government must buy distressed debt to deal with a “financial tsunami.”

Analysts and investors say they expect financial firms to hold onto their troubled securities until the government begins acquiring assets through reverse auctions and negotiations. Eventually, the Treasury will return to the market to sell the assets back to private investors, but that could be a few years away.

“There will be that period where the Treasury takes the place of the private market,” Mr. Gross said. “Hopefully they will get out of that market but we will have to see how quickly that takes place.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/business/22lobby.html?pagewanted=print

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Bend over, grab your ankles, relax. It's all for your own good, of course. :lol

It's Cash for Trash, $700B, no strings attached.

Must be "clean" as Paulson calls it.

Aggie Hoopsfan
09-22-2008, 12:16 PM
This whole thing stinks. But what's another trillion at this point? [/Wall Street assholes, D.C. politicians[/i].

RandomGuy
09-22-2008, 01:06 PM
This whole thing stinks. But what's another trillion at this point? [/Wall Street assholes, D.C. politicians[/i].

I think you missed this bit. (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2766131#post2766131)

Aggie Hoopsfan
09-22-2008, 06:18 PM
I think you missed this bit. (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2766131#post2766131)

I didn't miss anything. I saw your post, and if I was two years old I could go grab all the thread titles that you, Dan, and croutons have posted over the last several weeks and do the same shit.

But hey, keep sucking Obama's dick. It's going to go over really well for us all should he get elected and come over the top of this financial bailout with all his socialist policies.

Oh wait, just the "rich" people will be paying for all of those. :rolleyes

boutons_
09-22-2008, 07:41 PM
In case anybody forgot:


"In 2007, Wall Street's five biggest firms -- Bear Stearns, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, and Morgan Stanley -- paid a record $39 billion in bonuses to themselves.

That's $10 billion more than the $29 billion loan taxpayers are making to J.P. Morgan to save Bear Stearns.


Those 2007 bonuses were paid, even though the shareholders in those firms last year collectively lost about $74 billion in stock declines -- their worst year since 2002."


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/last-years-big.html

RandomGuy
09-23-2008, 09:45 AM
I didn't miss anything. I saw your post, and if I was two years old I could go grab all the thread titles that you, Dan, and croutons have posted over the last several weeks and do the same shit.

But hey, keep sucking Obama's dick. It's going to go over really well for us all should he get elected and come over the top of this financial bailout with all his socialist policies.

Oh wait, just the "rich" people will be paying for all of those. :rolleyes

You would have to pair it up with me saying that the Republicans were more about attacks and less about policy. I may have even actually said that, somewhere. That is where you were a hypocritical fucktard. I can now point to your hypocrisy any time I want to and it is there for all to see. You can't get away from your own hypocritical pile of shit, and I will rub your nose in it. Bad puppy!

The examples I pulled were JUST out of the last 25 threads you posted.


Here are the last 50 thread titles I have posted. For your convenience, I have placed in bold the number of shamelessly partisan attack threads with little or no policy debate.
For those with actual questions about policy I made them in red bold text.

??? Astronauts driving a 40 year old APC ???
Ethanol Math.
New German Culture War!! Chinese Lederhosen?
German-US Tensions Grow Over Baltic Pipeline
Should the next president know how to send an email?
meanwhile, back in deep, dark Russia
Tap U.S. oil reserves, then go green
Another History Quiz
Proud parent moment.
A hard question for Republicans.
Pretty speeches, but no substance. No questions, please.
French court to try Church of Scientology
John McCain's enegy policy
Housing crisis: how many houses do I own again?
Real 9-11 Research
Meet the conspiracy theorists.
S*** hits the fan in Georgia: war with Russia?
NATO war with Russia within a week?
Islamic Superheroes Going Global
Bye Bye Bye: Lou Perlman
Water found on Mars.
"Global Warming" or not? Doesn't matter.
Six months, 15 days...
Microsoft quits selling XP. GRRRRRR....
401k Predators-- protect yourself.
US Military: OOPSIES! We accidentally created terrorists.
Voting Genes. No, I'm not kidding.
Yowza. New cancer drug shows wide promise
Reagamessiah got an airport, Bush gets... a sewage treatment plant?
Heating, Electricity Rates Rising As Prices For Natural Gas Surge
Forget construction jobs, here comes the REAL whammy
"it is likely that we will find habitable planets circling small stars"
Forget gas, what about the cost of coal?
Gas Prices, carpools, and "slugs"
Something you probably didn't know about the high price of oil
Cold grip of logic: Single payor health care
Free-market solution needed: A question for "righties"
Panel says link between smog and premature death is clear
Pop Quiz: A poll for Liberals
Best conservative propaganda whore
Legalize needle-exchanges for addicts in Texas?
Didn't Hastert promise in... oh nevermind, he just promised we would pass pork.
"Act Now to Stop a Democrat Takeover"
Didn't Gingich tell everyone in '92 that he'd do away with pork?
Anti-Wall Street Jobs: What those crazy kids are up to these days.
53 Superfund pollution clean-up sites in Texas. Where do you live?
Random Spurstalk post/profile of the week.
yo' mama's so...
For ****s and giggles: "McCainpedia" launched.
What do you do when your boss is a Lakers fan?

My count is 14 policy threads, and 9 attack threads, and a good number of sciency and funny threads.

So when you say "stop sucking Obama's dick", I can point to the steaming pile of GOP jizm that you vomit all over this board on a regular basis and say....

You seem to know an awful lot about that... :rolleyes

RandomGuy
09-23-2008, 09:47 AM
In case anybody forgot:


"In 2007, Wall Street's five biggest firms -- Bear Stearns, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, and Morgan Stanley -- paid a record $39 billion in bonuses to themselves.

That's $10 billion more than the $29 billion loan taxpayers are making to J.P. Morgan to save Bear Stearns.


Those 2007 bonuses were paid, even though the shareholders in those firms last year collectively lost about $74 billion in stock declines -- their worst year since 2002."


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/last-years-big.html

but, but, the free market says they are worth that much money, right?

It couldn't possibly be because corporate governance in this country is broken, and that corporate boards don't really represent the interests of shareholders...

RandomGuy
09-24-2008, 09:15 AM
You would have to pair it up with me saying that the Republicans were more about attacks and less about policy. I may have even actually said that, somewhere. That is where you were a hypocritical fucktard. I can now point to your hypocrisy any time I want to and it is there for all to see. You can't get away from your own hypocritical pile of shit, and I will rub your nose in it. Bad puppy!

The examples I pulled were JUST out of the last 25 threads you posted.


Here are the last 50 thread titles I have posted. For your convenience, I have placed in bold the number of shamelessly partisan attack threads with little or no policy debate.
For those with actual questions about policy I made them in red bold text.

??? Astronauts driving a 40 year old APC ???
Ethanol Math.
New German Culture War!! Chinese Lederhosen?
German-US Tensions Grow Over Baltic Pipeline
Should the next president know how to send an email?
meanwhile, back in deep, dark Russia
Tap U.S. oil reserves, then go green
Another History Quiz
Proud parent moment.
A hard question for Republicans.
Pretty speeches, but no substance. No questions, please.
French court to try Church of Scientology
John McCain's enegy policy
Housing crisis: how many houses do I own again?
Real 9-11 Research
Meet the conspiracy theorists.
S*** hits the fan in Georgia: war with Russia?
NATO war with Russia within a week?
Islamic Superheroes Going Global
Bye Bye Bye: Lou Perlman
Water found on Mars.
"Global Warming" or not? Doesn't matter.
Six months, 15 days...
Microsoft quits selling XP. GRRRRRR....
401k Predators-- protect yourself.
US Military: OOPSIES! We accidentally created terrorists.
Voting Genes. No, I'm not kidding.
Yowza. New cancer drug shows wide promise
Reagamessiah got an airport, Bush gets... a sewage treatment plant?
Heating, Electricity Rates Rising As Prices For Natural Gas Surge
Forget construction jobs, here comes the REAL whammy
"it is likely that we will find habitable planets circling small stars"
Forget gas, what about the cost of coal?
Gas Prices, carpools, and "slugs"
Something you probably didn't know about the high price of oil
Cold grip of logic: Single payor health care
Free-market solution needed: A question for "righties"
Panel says link between smog and premature death is clear
Pop Quiz: A poll for Liberals
Best conservative propaganda whore
Legalize needle-exchanges for addicts in Texas?
Didn't Hastert promise in... oh nevermind, he just promised we would pass pork.
"Act Now to Stop a Democrat Takeover"
Didn't Gingich tell everyone in '92 that he'd do away with pork?
Anti-Wall Street Jobs: What those crazy kids are up to these days.
53 Superfund pollution clean-up sites in Texas. Where do you live?
Random Spurstalk post/profile of the week.
yo' mama's so...
For ****s and giggles: "McCainpedia" launched.
What do you do when your boss is a Lakers fan?

My count is 14 policy threads, and 9 attack threads, and a good number of sciency and funny threads.

So when you say "stop sucking Obama's dick", I can point to the steaming pile of GOP jizm that you vomit all over this board on a regular basis and say....

You seem to know an awful lot about that... :rolleyes

Bump. Because a certain puppy needs his nose rubbed in his poopy.