Wright - Obama - Ayers (peas in a pod)

[Yonivore]

I highly recommend you read the Stanley Kurtz piece, “Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism on Schools (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html?mod=djemEditorialPage).” In his article Kurtz demonstrates (1) the dishonesty of Barak Obama on the subject of his association with William Ayers and (2) the underlying radicalism of the Ayers-Obama joint project.

Last April, Obama dismissed the unrepentant terrorist Ayers as just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," and "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis." But in fact, Ayers and Obama were partners in the Chicago Annenburg Challenge (CAC), an organization whose mandate was the reformation of Chicago's public schools.

Obama was CAC's first board chairman, serving in that capacity for four years and remaining on the board for two more. Ayers was the founder of CAC and, according to Kurtz, its guiding spirit. Moreover, the archive documents Kurtz reviewed show that Ayers was part of a working group of five that assembled the initial board. Ayers then sat as an ex-officio member of the board Obama chaired through CAC's first year. He also served on the board's governance committee with Obama. The two worked together to craft CAC bylaws.
These findings – facts of record -- demolish the Obama campaign claim that Ayers had nothing to do with Obama's "recruitment" to the board.

Obama's personal attempt to write Ayers off as some guy in his neighborhood fares no better. Ayers helped put Obama in the top position of an organization that distributed more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical activists. Moreover, Kurtz shows that Ayers did not bow out of the process after helping to install Obama. To the contrary Ayers collaborated with Obama in determining how to distribute this money. During this period, Ayers co-chaired something called the "Collaborative," which worked with Obama's group to shape education policy. In essence Ayers formulated the policy that would inform the distribution of funds; Obama headed the body that distributed the money accordingly.

It's true, as the Obama campaign notes, that the Collaborative lost its "operational role" at CAC after the first year. Thereafter, it was relegated to an advisory role. But CAC's own evaluators found that Obama's board continued to adhere to the grant policies Ayers had put in place.

In any case, no honest person would describe the Ayers-Obama relationship the way Obama did. This was not some guy in the neighborhood; this was a partner in the distribution of large sums of money for public policy purposes. And this was someone with whom Obama did exchange ideas -- Ayers spoke to Obama's board; Obama spoke to Ayers' board -- on vital policy matters.
The ideas exchanged, moreover, were radical ones. As Kurtz explains:


Ayers is the founder of the "small schools" movement (heavily funded by CAC), in which individual schools built around specific political themes push students to "confront issues of inequity, war, and violence." He believes teacher education programs should serve as "sites of resistance" to an oppressive system. . . The point, says Mr. Ayers in his "Teaching Toward Freedom," is to "teach against oppression," against America's history of evil and racism, thereby forcing social transformation.
CAC funded Ayers' teacher training programs -- the ones designed to promote "resistance" to an oppressive system. The minutes Kurtz reviewed show that, under Obama and pursuant to Ayers' principles, proposals from groups that focused on math/science achievement were turned down, while CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or ACORN).

Indeed, Obama once conducted "leadership training" seminars with ACORN, and ACORN members also served as volunteers in Mr. Obama's early campaigns. Meanwhile, according to Kurtz, "external partners like the South Shore African Village Collaborative and the Dual Language Exchange focused more on political consciousness, Afro-centricity and bilingualism than traditional education."

How well did CAC perform in the end? In educational terms it failed. According to Kurtz, when CAC's in-house evaluators comprehensively studied the effects of its grants on the test scores of Chicago public-school students, they found no evidence of educational improvement.

But CAC wasn't about education, it was about politics, and by this measurement it cannot be rated a complete failure. CAC may or may not have contributed to the radicalization of Chicago's schools, but it did serve as a political springboard for Barack Obama, albeit one that now represents a potential political embarrassment.

Kurtz has obtained a statement on Obama's CAC participation that he quotes in full and to which he provides his extended response in “Obama’s challenge (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTViMGRmMmYxZTgwZTFjYmFjODU5YzM4Y2MwM2ViMjY=).” Peter Kirsanow highlights three takeaways (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Yjc5ZmQzOGE5ODNmMzZkMmEyNDFiMTEwNTExY2U3NzI=):
Obama had a long-term working relationship with William Ayers.
The Chicago Annenberg Challenge ("CAC"), the only executive experience on Obama's resume, was an objective failure despite the expenditure of millions of dollars.
Through the CAC, Ayers and Obama financed radical organizations, including one with a history of engaging in voter fraud.
Kurtz’s work is a challenge to mainstream journalists and the rest of you Obamamaniacs on the left. A candidate for the presidency has a demonstrated working relationship with — indeed funded — an unrepentant terrorist, yet the media have spent more time reporting about Sarah Palin's hair styles. What’s up with that?

Note, too, that there is now a straight line between Jeremiah "God damn America" Wright and Bill "fight American repression" Ayers. And that line is Barak Hussein Obama. Obama would have us believe that he wouldn't have listened approvingly to Wright preaching against America. But Kurtz's work confirms that he not only listened to "God damn America" rhetoric, he funded it to the tune of many millions of dollars.

By the looks of the crowds he’s now drawing, this message is getting out, in spite of his media collaborators.

[JoeChalupa]

:sleep

[KenMcCoy]

Great post Yoni. Probably too much for the Obamanites to read. Anything after "Hope and Change" seems to lose most of them.

[Shastafarian]

Great post Yoni. Probably too much for the Obamanites to read. Anything after "Hope and Change" seems to lose most of them.

I read it. It seems to me there is no hard evidence Obama and Ayers "collaborated" on anything. There is all this, "Well Ayers started this thing. Obama got appointed to the board. Ayers wasn't on the board but he clearly was telling Obama what to do." It's horseshit without any actual evidence that Ayers and Obama were doing things together.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Great post Yoni. Probably too much for the Obamanites to read. Anything after "Hope and Change" seems to lose most of them.
don't forget "bush" and "same"

[KenMcCoy]

I read it. It seems to me there is no hard evidence Obama and Ayers "collaborated" on anything. There is all this, "Well Ayers started this thing. Obama got appointed to the board. Ayers wasn't on the board but he clearly was telling Obama what to do." It's horseshit without any actual evidence that Ayers and Obama were doing things together.

How can you be on the board of something and NOT know the guy who started it?? He is obviously more than "Someone who was from my neighborhood."

[Shastafarian]

How can you be on the board of something and NOT know the guy who started it?? He is obviously more than "Someone who was from my neighborhood."

Yes he was. They know each other. But what is being claimed here is not simply that they knew each other.

[KenMcCoy]

William Ayers, author of A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court (Beacon Press, 1997), says "We should call a child a child. A 13-year-old who picks up a gun isn't suddenly an adult. We have to ask other questions: How did he get the gun? Where did it come from?"
Ayers, who spent a year observing the Cook County Temporary Juvenile Detention Center in Chicago, is one of four panelists who will speak on juvenile justice at 6 p.m. Thursday, Nov. 20, in the C-Shop. The panel, which marks the 100th anniversary of the juvenile justice system in the United States, is part of the Community Service Center's monthly discussion series on issues affecting the city of Chicago. The event is free and open to the public.
Ayers will be joined by Sen. Barack Obama, Senior Lecturer in the Law School, who is working to combat legislation that would put more juvenile offenders into the adult system; Randolph Stone, Director of the Mandel Legal Aid Clinic; Alex Correa, a reformed juvenile offender who spent seven years in Cook County Temporary Detention Center; Frank Tobin, a former priest and teacher at the Detention Center who helped Correa; and Willy Baldwin, who grew up in public housing and is currently a teacher at the Detention Center.


From a 1997 article in the University of Chicago Chronicle. Obviously they have close ties and have the same opinions on many things.

http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/971106/justice.shtml

[Shastafarian]

From a 1997 article in the University of Chicago Chronicle. Obviously they have close ties and have the same opinions on many things.

http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/971106/justice.shtml


Ayers will be joined by Sen. Barack Obama, Senior Lecturer in the Law School, who is working to combat legislation that would put more juvenile offenders into the adult system

Fucking liberals!!! I say fry 'em all. Are you saying that because Ayers joined Obama in wanting to fight juveniles being seen as adults, they're both radical leftists who wanna bomb the pentagon?

[boutons_]

Any damage done above, to anybody, anytime?

McSenile's economic advisor Phil Gramm snuck in the item to a huge bill in 2000 that nobody caught and that deregulated swaps, leading directly to Enron, WorldCom, and today's disaster.

McSenie's director of transistion took $30K/month as lobbyist from Freddie and Fannie to keep regulations/regulators off their cases.

Any damage done by Enron, World Com, F & F ?

Thanks for your perspective, Clanny, sucks as usual.

[clambake]

the country needs radical change.

thanks for the endorsement!

[spurster]

OMG, they were on the same panel at the university where Obama was teaching. That certainly convinced me! And can you believe the panel was public and free? That sounds socialist! Obama must also be buddy-buddy with that former priest on the panel. I wonder why this former priest is so interested in juveniles.

[KenMcCoy]

McSenie's director of transistion took $30K/month as lobbyist from Freddie and Fannie to keep regulations/regulators off their cases.

:lmao Lobbyists?? Really?? A lobbyist is a hired gun, they argue for what the people paying them tell them to. They have no loyalties to the company they are working for as a lobbyist. The people you need to be looking at are the people signing the checks and directing the lobbyist. In this case it would have been Jim Johnson and Franklin Raines...I forgot who's side they are on?? Can you remind me??

[KenMcCoy]

Anyways...the point is that there is more to it than "Just a guy from the neighborhood."

[clambake]

:lmao Lobbyists?? Really?? A lobbyist is a hired gun, they argue for what the people paying them tell them to. They have no loyalties to the company they are working for as a lobbyist.
bullshit. their success depends on it. you shouldn't be lying this way.

The people you need to be looking at are the people signing the checks and directing the lobbyist. In this case it would have been Jim Johnson and Franklin Raines...I forgot who's side they are on?? Can you remind me??
you need to check everything and vote for radical change.

[KenMcCoy]

bullshit. their success depends on it. you shouldn't be lying this way.

A lobbyists success depends on how well they can get their customer's point accross to politicians. They don't give a shit what they are lobbying for. If you had enough money you could hire a lobbyist to push for voting rights for dogs and cats.

[clambake]

A lobbyists success depends on how well they can get their customers point accross to politicians. They don't give a shit what they are lobbying for. If you had enough money you could hire a lobbyist to push for voting rights for dogs and cats.

bullshit again. their personal success is invested, including if they have any hopes of lobbying again. you're not honest.

[KenMcCoy]

is an activist usually paid by an interest group to promote their positions to legislatures. A lobbyist can also work to change public opinion through advertising campaigns or by influencing 'opinion leaders' or pundits, thereby creating a climate for the change his or her employer (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-lobbyist.htm#) desires. The word lobbyist comes from the chambers in which the act of lobbying usually takes place, an anteroom (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-anteroom.htm) near legislative bodies, for instance, or even the lobby of hotels where important people are staying. In American politics (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-lobbyist.htm#), most lobbyist organizations are headquartered on or near K Street in Washington DC, so "K Street" has become somewhat synonymous for lobbying.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-lobbyist.htm


If they don't get their employer/customer's point through their reputation suffers and thus they get less business. It doesn't matter what point they are lobbying, as long as they are successful.

[KenMcCoy]

bullshit again. their personal success is invested, including if they have any hopes of lobbying again. you're not honest.

Whatever...you are uninformed.

[clambake]

is an activist usually paid by an interest group to promote their positions to legislatures. A lobbyist can also work to change public opinion through advertising campaigns or by influencing 'opinion leaders' or pundits, thereby creating a climate for the change his or her employer (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-lobbyist.htm#) desires. The word lobbyist comes from the chambers in which the act of lobbying usually takes place, an anteroom (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-anteroom.htm) near legislative bodies, for instance, or even the lobby of hotels where important people are staying. In American politics (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-lobbyist.htm#), most lobbyist organizations are headquartered on or near K Street in Washington DC, so "K Street" has become somewhat synonymous for lobbying.

yeah, and if they suck at it they're out. it's personal. just like tax guys that suck are out.

[Shastafarian]

So Ken, are you saying that a person who is a member of the NRA would go work for a gun control related lobby?

[KenMcCoy]

^^Why not...they are getting paid. But the gun control related lobby probably wouldn't hire them since they wouldn't get much traction from the politicians.

[Shastafarian]

^^Why not...they are getting paid. But the gun control related lobby probably wouldn't hire them since they wouldn't get much traction from the politicians.

Interesting.

[clambake]

a lobbyist is not just a cheerleader at a pep rally. they're deal makers. their personal success is critical, so they are invested.

[Findog]

Great post Yoni. Probably too much for the Obamanites to read. Anything after "Hope and Change" seems to lose most of them.

Keating Five.

[ChumpDumper]

It must really piss you guys off that no matter how many times you write that this crap, it's not strong enough to make any difference.

[KenMcCoy]

Keating Five.


McCain's previous acknowledgment that he made errors in the Keating Five case, which he called in his 2002 autobiography the "worst mistake of my life."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/28/amid_mccains_new_status_old_scandals_stir/

I'm not saying McCain is guilty of no sins. It's just that he admits them. Obama always sidesteps the issue...why can't he just say something more than he is a "neighborhood guy."

[Shastafarian]

He admitted his mistake but then disregarded it and made the same mistake again!

[KenMcCoy]

In what respect, Shasta?

[Shastafarian]

Maybe I'd tell you if you responded to this




^^Why not...they are getting paid. But the gun control related lobby probably wouldn't hire them since they wouldn't get much traction from the politicians.

Interesting.

[KenMcCoy]

I was trying to make a joke...ur sig/palin

I didn't know that it was a question. I'm just saying that most lobbyists don't have direct ties to what the effects of what they are lobbying for are. Take the Palin/Wasilla lobbyist who lobbied for the $27mil sports court in Wasilla. They guy wasn't even from Wasilla, or even Alaska if I remember correctly. The guy didn't personally care what the sports court would do for the city...he did what he was hired to do and that was all that mattered.

[ChumpDumper]

Could anyone show me an example of one of these "individual schools built around specific political themes push students to 'confront issues of inequity, war, and violence'" that can be directly linked to Obama? There must be several.

[Shastafarian]

I was trying to make a joke...ur sig/palin

Yeah...I got it. I wasn't talking about that


I didn't know that it was a question. I'm just saying that most lobbyists don't have direct ties to what the effects of what they are lobbying for are. Take the Palin/Wasilla lobbyist who lobbied for the $27mil sports court in Wasilla. They guy wasn't even from Wasilla, or even Alaska if I remember correctly. The guy didn't personally care what the sports court would do for the city...he did what he was hired to do and that was all that mattered.

I'm not saying lobbyists have direct ties. I'm saying if you're opposed to something, you don't then go and lobby for it.

[KenMcCoy]

But...you don't necessarily have to support it to lobby for it right?

[Shastafarian]

But...you don't necessarily have to support it to lobby for it right?

I guess there's a chance you could be neutral. But somehow I doubt many of these people are neutral. Especially after having been in the "for it" camp for however many years they have been.

[KenMcCoy]

I look at them as defense lawyers defending someone they know is guilty. The good one's still find a way to get their clients off.

That being said...I have no idea what the McCain lobbyist's personal position on the issues were.

[Shastafarian]

I look at them as defense lawyers defending someone they know is guilty. The good one's still find a way to get their clients off.

That being said...I have no idea what the McCain lobbyist's personal position on the issues were.

Neither do I. What I do know is that Rick Davis took nearly $2 million dollars from Fannie Mae for "access" to McCain.

[JoeChalupa]

This crap from Yonivore doesn't surprise me at all since it is the way of the McCain campaign. Total bullshit.

[KenMcCoy]

Neither do I. What I do know is that Rick Davis took nearly $2 million dollars from Fannie Mae for "access" to McCain.


Paid for by Obama's boys Jim Johnson and Franklin Raines. Look, you can't blame the lobbyist and let the guy signing his checks go unscathed.

[Findog]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/28/amid_mccains_new_status_old_scandals_stir/

I'm not saying McCain is guilty of no sins. It's just that he admits them. Obama always sidesteps the issue...why can't he just say something more than he is a "neighborhood guy."


He IS trying to distance himself from Ayers when he says he's just a neighborhood guy. We've all made mistakes, we've all had friends at one time that were not worthy of us.

[KenMcCoy]

He IS trying to distance himself from Ayers when he says he's just a neighborhood guy. We've all made mistakes, we've all had friends at one time that were not worthy of us.

Wow... a little elitist of you Findog.

[Shastafarian]

Paid for by Obama's boys Jim Johnson and Franklin Raines.

Maybe. Rick Davis is currently McCain's campaign manager. Neither Jim Johnson or Franklin Raines have anything to do with Obama's campaign.

[KenMcCoy]

Johnson was the head of Obama's VP selection committee.

[Shastafarian]

Johnson was the head of Obama's VP selection committee.

He was on the three person committee to select the VP, yes. Then he was asked to step down before it was completed. Also, that isn't exactly the same as running someone's campaign.

[ChumpDumper]

I'll ask again:
Could anyone show me an example of one of these "individual schools built around specific political themes push students to 'confront issues of inequity, war, and violence'" that can be directly linked to Obama? There must be several.

[KenMcCoy]

He was. Then he was asked to step down before it was completed. Also, that isn't exactly the same as running someone's campaign.

^^Agreed. But there are still connections.

[RandomGuy]

Goddamn "far left" organizations.


Each ACORN office carries out multiple issue campaigns. ACORN members across the country work to raise the minimum wage or enact living wage policies; eliminate predatory financial practices by mortgage lenders, payday lenders, and tax preparation companies; win the development of affordable housing and community benefits agreements; improve the quality of and funding for urban public schools; rebuild New Orleans; and pass a federal and state ACORN Working Families Agenda, including paid sick leave for all full time workers.

Ending predatory lending practices? Communism.

Improving urban schools? Only people sucking Mao's dick would go for that.

Paid sick leave is for weak-kneed commie fags. Real men just simply stop paying their mortgages when they get too sick to work.

Rebuilding New Orleans? Must be code words for "set up soviets".

:rolleyes

[KenMcCoy]

Goddamn "far left" organizations.



Ending predatory lending practices? Communism.

Improving urban schools? Only people sucking Mao's dick would go for that.

Paid sick leave is for weak-kneed commie fags. Real men just simply stop paying their mortgages when they get too sick to work.

Rebuilding New Orleans? Must be code words for "set up soviets".

:rolleyes

ACORN was one of the biggest lobbyists for the Community Reinvestment Act (requiring banks to give sub prime loans to people with bad credit), which is the base of why we are in this financial mess.

[Findog]

Wow... a little elitist of you Findog.

Has nothing to do with "elitism." I've had friends that were bad influences and were not good to hang around.

[KenMcCoy]

I need to work on my internet sarcasm...was just joking.

[RandomGuy]

Essentially, Yoni is asking me to accept, at face value the interpretations of a reading of board minutes from someone with a very obvious bias.

I must then not be skeptical when a fellow from the Ethics and Public Policy Center, "Washington, D.C.'s premier institute dedicated to applying the Judeo-Christian moral tradition to critical issues of public policy.", tell me what he believes he read in the meeting minutes of an archive.

Let's look at the source article for some evidence of bias.

The article 's title, "Obama and Ayers pushed radicalism on schools" pretty much gives the purpose of the piece away.

It is an attempt to play the "radical" card. Does the author attempt to show us examples of "radical" agenda of these groups and let us decide whether any agenda is "radical"? Not really, beyond one or two items, that were quite probably cherry-picked.

Similarly we are told to beware of "far-left" organizers, etc etc. Whose definition of "far left"? Again, the author's.

Time and again, the author says "they were a team" and "they worked together", based on his reading of board minutes.

Always it is the interpretation of facts based on solely the author's opinion.

That is why it is on the OPINION page of the Wall Strett Journal.

Unfortunately, because the author did not deign to present the material in its original format, we are left with only his interpretations of what he read.

Why is that?

The rather obvious answer is that this is very likely a hit-piece with an obvious agenda.

Can we logically dismiss the author's claims, simply because he has an obvious agenda?

No.

It *IS* however, very logical to apply a great deal of skepticism to his claims, especially given that we have no evidence to support or disprove his claims and interpretations of what he read.

[RandomGuy]

This is a very CLASSIC guilt by association.

Does the author present ANY direct quote from Mr. Obama concerning his views on what he accomplished or hoped to accomplish when he was with the organization?

No.

1/3 of the article is spent attempting to paint the organization itself as "far-left" and "radical", with no attempt to show any balance in the dipiction of CAC or ACORN or anything else.

It is the kind of thing that a lawyer making a case in a court would say. Take the facts, and put the best possible spin from your viewpoint on them, and downplay or ignore any weakness in it.

It is pablum for the converted, and little more.

Without reading the documents for myself, or maybe getting a less biased account, I would not assign this much weight to this when trying to figure out for myself if Mr. Obama is some secret radical.

[Wild Cobra]

This is a very CLASSIC guilt by association.

I would agree if associates were all they were. Obama and Ayers were far closer than Obama is willing to admit now. Then there is the "Mentor for twenty years." You simply cannot blow these off as just associations.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, there is the "mentor for twenty years" allegation which is completely unsubstantiated but you guys hope it catches on through repetition.

I can blow it off as the ineffectual nonissue it is.

[Wild Cobra]

Yes, there is the "mentor for twenty years" allegation which is completely unsubstantiated but you guys hope it catches on through repetition.

I can blow it off as the ineffectual nonissue it is.
At most, that's just a technicality. Obama did go to his services for 20 years. Did he sleep though the sermons then? There is no way but to be brain dead that he couldn't know what Wright stood for. Then to be there for twenty years!

I'm pretty sure i heard an audio clip of Obama using that phrase on talk radio. You are right though. The term has been burned into our minds, and may be factually in error. In a simple search, I was unable to find such a transcript. Maybe it was in a book? Regardless, I think Obama used the phrase, but yes. I could be wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, you're talking about Wright now.

That had no legs either.

Try "Muslim sleeper agent" again. Maybe it will stick this time.

[Shastafarian]

At most, that's just a technicality. Obama did go to his services for 20 years. Did he sleep though the sermons then? There is no way but to be brain dead that he couldn't know what Wright stood for. Then to be there for twenty years!

I'm pretty sure i heard an audio clip of Obama using that phrase on talk radio. You are right though. The term has been burned into our minds, and may be factually in error. In a simple search, I was unable to find such a transcript. Maybe it was in a book? Regardless, I think Obama used the phrase, but yes. I could be wrong.

The problem for republicans is that if they bring up Wright, the democrats can now bring up Palin's pastor.

[RandomGuy]

The problem for republicans is that if they bring up Wright, the democrats can now bring up Palin's pastor.

... or any of the nutjob evangelicals that McCain has avoided like the plague and who seem to hold a LOT of power in the GOP.

Puh-lease.

Any Republican who starts blathering on about Wright deserves to be slapped in the face with Jerry Falwell's ass cheeks.[

[DarrinS]

Come on guys, I don't like Obama, but I don't think there's any real connection b/n Obama and Ayers. Obama was like 8 years old when the Weathermen were active.

[Yonivore]

Come on guys, I don't like Obama, but I don't think there's any real connection b/n Obama and Ayers. Obama was like 8 years old when the Weathermen were active.
How old were you when Obama and Ayers were running the CAC together -- for years?

How old were you when Ayers showed no remorse for his crimes -- after his close association with Obama?

How old were you when Obama tried to throw him under the bus by saying he was just a neighbor with whom he doesn't share ideas?

[Yonivore]

I like how none of the Obamamaniacs are directly addressing the facts of the article.

[clambake]

i'll be remembering the article during the inauguration. will you be around for that?

[Yonivore]

i'll be remembering the article during the inauguration. will you be around for that?
Like I said, no one will address the facts of the article. Clambake is even prepared to ignore them in the hopes that no one will notice.

Then, of course, there's this Obama connection to the current financial fiasco:


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[Wild Cobra]

The problem for republicans is that if they bring up Wright, the democrats can now bring up Palin's pastor.
Not true because of the levels of association and time known.

Please buy a clue.

[Wild Cobra]

Any Republican who starts blathering on about Wright deserves to be slapped in the face with Jerry Falwell's ass cheeks.
Why?

I don't know a single one that has any respect for him. On top of that, none of them know him personally.

Please buy a clue also.

[ChumpDumper]

I like how none of the Obamamaniacs are directly addressing the facts of the article.What facts?

What do you hope is the takeaway from this?

[Shastafarian]

I like how none of the Obamamaniacs are directly addressing the facts of the article.

Maybe you didn't read the posts. Maybe you can't read. Maybe you just chose to keep spouting the same old shit. We did address the "facts" of the article. The "fact" is there aren't many "facts" to back up the claim that Obama and Ayers are more than acquaintances. Those "facts" along with the "fact" that the article is from a known right-leaning source leave us with the "fact" that you don't know what you're talking about.

[clambake]

Like I said, no one will address the facts of the article. Clambake is even prepared to ignore them in the hopes that no one will notice.

hell, i just acknowledged your post. :lmao

hell, lay the article out for autopsy. :lmao maybe someone will notice.

[Yonivore]

Maybe you didn't read the posts. Maybe you can't read. Maybe you just chose to keep spouting the same old shit. We did address the "facts" of the article. The "fact" is there aren't many "facts" to back up the claim that Obama and Ayers are more than acquaintances. Those "facts" along with the "fact" that the article is from a known right-leaning source leave us with the "fact" that you don't know what you're talking about.
So, you're seriously claiming that Ayers and Obama's association through the CAC is one of mere acquaintance?

If I'm not mistaken, there's a quote out there where Obama claims Ayers is his "mentor."

Back when Huffington Post was still pushing for a Clinton candidacy, they posted this:

Ayers and Obama: What is their relationship? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/17/ayers-and-obama-what-is-t_n_97204.html)

You would think the media would be more curious.

[Yonivore]

hell, i just acknowledged your post. :lmao

hell, lay the article out for autopsy. :lmao maybe someone will notice.
I'm sorry, I mistook your ignorance for ignorance, not complicity.

[clambake]

I'm sorry, I mistook your ignorance for ignorance, not complicity.

i'm just beefing up my republican resume.

got any traction on the article yet?

have you taken it global?

[Shastafarian]

So, you're seriously claiming that Ayers and Obama's association through the CAC is one of mere acquaintance?

Ayers wasn't ont he board anymore so yeah, I think was mainly an acquaintance.


If I'm not mistaken, there's a quote out there where Obama claims Ayers is his "mentor."

Back when Huffington Post was still pushing for a Clinton candidacy, they posted this:

Ayers and Obama: What is their relationship? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/17/ayers-and-obama-what-is-t_n_97204.html)

You would think the media would be more curious.

I would be more curious if you were factual in your statements.


And Talking Points Memo has a clip from Fox News falsely claims that Ayers was Obama's mentor:

But I guess you don't need to be factual when you're a Fox News watcher.

[Yonivore]

Ayers wasn't ont he board anymore so yeah, I think was mainly an acquaintance.


Obama was CAC's first board chairman, serving in that capacity for four years and remaining on the board for two more. Ayers was the founder of CAC and, according to Kurtz, its guiding spirit. Moreover, the archive documents Kurtz reviewed show that Ayers was part of a working group of five that assembled the initial board. Ayers then sat as an ex-officio member of the board Obama chaired through CAC's first year. He also served on the board's governance committee with Obama. The two worked together to craft CAC bylaws.
True or false? And, if true, would that make their association more than an acquaintance?


During this period, Ayers co-chaired something called the "Collaborative," which worked with Obama's group to shape education policy. In essence Ayers formulated the policy that would inform the distribution of funds; Obama headed the body that distributed the money accordingly.
Ture or false? And, if true, do you think the two bodies could collaborate on the distribution of monies, by one, guided by the policies of the other without being more than acquaintances?


I would be more curious if you were factual in your statements.
I allowed that I might be mistaken but, if, in fact, Ayers was on the committee that appointed Obama to Chair the CAC, it could be construed as mentorship. Particularly since Obama is relying very heavily on his CAC experience as credentials for being President of the United States.


But I guess you don't need to be factual when you're a Fox News watcher.
Sorry, I don't watch FoxNews. I have poverty cable.

But, speaking of Obama's thin resume...there was this in the article.


How well did CAC perform in the end? In educational terms it failed. According to Kurtz, when CAC's in-house evaluators comprehensively studied the effects of its grants on the test scores of Chicago public-school students, they found no evidence of educational improvement.
So, he dumped tens, if not hundreds, of millions into a failed education strategy while he headed the CAC. Sweet!

[Shastafarian]

True or false? And, if true, would that make their association more than an acquaintance?

I'm guessing at least partially true. But no, being chosen to be on a board does make two people kindred spirits.



Ture or false? And, if true, do you think the two bodies could collaborate on the distribution of monies, by one, guided by the policies of the other? No idea if it's true. We have to take the author's word on it. It is even mentioned that the "Collaborative" might have had little to no power. You seem to have omitted that part.



I allowed that I might be mistaken but, if, in fact, Ayers was on the committee that appointed Obama to Chair the CAC, it could be construed as mentorship.
:lol that's funny. Because someone helps appoint you to a position, he's your mentor.


So, he dumped tens, if not hundreds, of millions into a failed education strategy while he headed the CAC. Sweet!
again according to the author who doesn't cite or quote anything from the actual source material.

[Yonivore]

I'm guessing at least partially true. But no, being chosen to be on a board does make two people kindred spirits.
How 'bout being chosen the first Chairman of an enterprise you labored for many years to bring to fruition. CAC was Ayers' baby and you think he would just let some "acquaintance" take the reins and walk away? :lmao

Look up naive in the dictionary. Better yet, look in the mirror.


No idea if it's true. We have to take the author's word on it. It is even mentioned that the "Collaborative" might have had little to no power. You seem to have omitted that part.
Again, to think that Ayers built the CAC, formed a committee to appoint a chair, and then just walked away; is silly.


:lol that's funny. Because someone helps appoint you to a position, he's your mentor.
It was Obama's years at CAC on which he's relying to get elected President. Ayers was the principal person responsible for his having that experience. Yeah, mentor is a good word.


again according to the author who doesn't cite or quote anything from the actual source material.
He actually cites CAC evaluators whose records are documented.

[Shastafarian]

It's like talking to a wall. The article you posted is an OPINION piece. You think if it was so factual as to warrant serious consideration, they'd let it die in the opinion section? Look up naive in the dictionary. Better yet, go suck off Rush Limbaugh.

[Yonivore]

It's like talking to a wall. The article you posted is an OPINION piece. You think if it was so factual as to warrant serious consideration, they'd let it die in the opinion section?
Yes, the press has been fairly incurious about Obama's "Community Organizing" experience.


Look up naive in the dictionary.
I did...saw you.


Better yet, go suck off Rush Limbaugh.
Don't listen to him either.

[Findog]

Nobody is voting against Obama because of Ayers or Rezko and nobody will likely vote against McCain because of the Keating Five.

[Shastafarian]

I did...saw you.


You do realize there aren't pictures in a dictionary right? You might be thinking of an encyclopedia. If you were looking in one of those did you happen to see the listing "naked"? There's also a picture of me....with your mom. She was ok but not the best I've ever had. Bitch can suck start a leaf blower!

[GSH]

A bunch of people here insisted that there was NO POSSIBILITY that an NBA referee would intentionally change the outcome of a game, and they attempted to bully anyone who said differently, and label them as conspiracy theorists. Some of those same idiots are wading in on this subject, and they are just as wrong this time.

There is a lot of speculation, but there are also a lot of facts. How about let's look at them? You can come to your own conclusion about what they mean, but facts are facts. Argue all you want, but do your homework and tell me which of these are incorrect:

1. Ayers was the co-founder of the Weather Underground. They participated in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, including bombing the Pentagon, and attacks on judges presiding on prominent cases. Ayers avoided conviction only because evidence against him was allegedly collected illegally. Ayers describes himself openly as "a small-c communist".
2. When questioned about his association with Ayers, Obama claimed that he was "a guy who lives in the neighborhood". He told ABC directly that he first met the Ayers at a coffee klatch at the Ayers home in 1995. Those statements are so vastly incorrect that they cannot be construed as mistakes, or simple mis-statements.
3. In 1989, Obama was hired as a summer associate at Sidley and Austin. That firm had also recently hired Ayers' wife. The managing partner of Sidley and Austin was a well-known close personal friend of Ayers father.
4. Obama only had one legal job after graduating law school - in 1993, at a firm known as Davis, Miner, and Barnhill. He was hired by name partner Judson Miner, who "happens" to be a personal friend and law school classmate of Ayers' wife.
5. In 1997, Obama and Ayers appeared together in a panel at the University of Illinois-Chicago (about the juvenile justice system), and in 2002 they again appeared at U of C as members of a 6-person panel discussing "Intellectuals in Times of Crisis". Both of those forums were set up by Michelle Obama, who was a University of Chicago PR exec.
6. Ayers headed the creation of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, and made Obama one of the founding board members. Obama was the chairman of the foundation for 3 years, beginning in 1995, and continued to serve on the board until 2001.
7. In 1998, 1999, and 2000 Obama and Ayers were both paid directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago. The board only had 9 members, and met 12 times per year, which makes it difficult to believe Obama's claim that he "doesn't remember" Ayers being a member of the board. (Obama did not receive his $6,000 compensation from the board in 2001. That same year, the foundation donated exactly $6,000 to Obama's church [see: Jeremiah Wright], even though the funds' own bylaws stated that religious organizations were not eligible for grants.)
8. In 1999, the Woods Fund donated $50,000 to the Annenberg Challenge. Both Obama and Ayers served on both boards, but Obama "doesn't remember" Ayers.
9. In 2000, Obama voted for the Woods foundation to give a $1 Million grant to his old boss Allison Davis, formerly of Davis, Miner, and Barnhill (see: #4 above), another Ayers associate.

Is it unimportant? I don't know. Is it unimportant that the Annenberg Challenge gave grants totalling over $650,000 to Michael Klonsky who founded the American-birthed Maoist Communist Party? (And a VERY close personal friend of Ayers for over 30 years.) Or that (until very recently) Klonsky operated a blog at the official Obama Campaign website? Nah... it's all probably just coincidence.

And maybe it's coincidence that right after Obama was elected to the senate, his wife received a $195,000 raise. She made $122K in 2004, and $317K in 2005. And it's probably just coincidence that in 2006, Obama requested a $1 Million earmark for University of Chicago Hospitals, where Michelle Obama is in charge of community outreach.

It's probably also coincidence that Obama bought his house for $1.65 Million (which was $300K less than the asking price), and ON THE SAME DAY the vacant lot next door was purchased for $625,000 by Tony Rezko who was known to be under indictment, and is now a convicted felon. And maybe it's a coincidence that Rezko was a major client of Davis, Miner, and Barnhill, and a major Obama campaign contributor and fundraiser. (Over $250K)

[Yonivore]

You do realize there aren't pictures in a dictionary right?
I'd suggest you pull out a dictionary before you get your foot any further down your throat.


You might be thinking of an encyclopedia.
Sorry, I doubt you rank an encyclopedia article.


'If you were looking in one of those did you happen to see the listing "naked"? There's also a picture of me....with your mom. She was ok but not the best I've ever had. Bitch can suck start a leaf blower!
I just called her. She said you had a penis the size of a peanut.

[Shastafarian]

That seems objective and all (laughable) so can you cite some sources where you obtained that information please?

[Shastafarian]

I'd suggest you pull out a dictionary before you get your foot any further down your throat.I'm not sure where you get your fancy-pants dictionaries but none of mine have pictures. I have a Webster's right in front of me. Lemme look....nope no pictures.



I just called her. She said you had a penis the size of a peanut.

She's just mad cuz I didn't call her back. And you also just reinforced the notion I fucked your mom. Maybe I'm your daddy.

[Yonivore]

I'm not sure where you get your fancy-pants dictionaries but none of mine have pictures. I have a Webster's right in front of me. Lemme look....nope no pictures.
Well, then, "fancy-pants" dictionaries have been around for some time. But, we digress as you ruin the cliche.


She's just mad cuz I didn't call her back. And you also just reinforced the notion I fucked your mom. Maybe I'm your daddy.
Only if you're a time traveler...because, I'm quite certain your age is revealed in your immaturity. Unless, of course, you're mentally retarded or something.

[Shastafarian]

Well, then, "fancy-pants" dictionaries have been around for some time. But, we digress as you ruin the cliche. I'd love to see one. Can you point me in the direction of a good one?



Only if you're a time traveler...because, I'm quite certain your age is revealed in your immaturity. Unless, of course, you're mentally retarded or something.
You're certain how old I am? :lol this just keeps getting better. Do I have to give you a big stuffed animal if your guess is right within 2 years? I'd guess you were 13 by your "Look up naive in the dictionary. Better yet just look in the mirror" joke.

[Yonivore]

So, back to Ayers and Obama? Still think they're just acquaintances?

[Shastafarian]

So, back to Ayers and Obama? Still think they're just acquaintances?

Nope not anymore. You've convinced me otherwise. Thanks!

[Findog]

So, back to Ayers and Obama? Still think they're just acquaintances?

Why should anybody care? Should anybody care about the Keating Five? Keep bringing Rezko and Ayers up, it will be a great opportunity to bring up McCain's skeletons too.

[Yonivore]

Why should anybody care? Should anybody care about the Keating Five? Keep bringing Rezko and Ayers up, it will be a great opportunity to bring up McCain's skeletons too.
The Keating Five scandal, though, is hardly a secret. Indeed, the story is central to McCain's political narrative. He's called his actions a mistake, and the episode is what transformed him into a self-stylled reformer.

If the Obama campaign saw this as a starter...they'd be harping on it. I think they realize that it plays to McCain's strengths in that it is a demonstrable point in his political career where he made a change for the better.

Obama can hardly claim the same with respect to Ayers, Rezko, et. al.

[Findog]

The Keating Five scandal, though, is hardly a secret. Indeed, the story is central to McCain's political narrative. He's called his actions a mistake, and the episode is what transformed him into a self-stylled reformer.

If the Obama campaign saw this as a starter...they'd be harping on it. I think they realize that it plays to McCain's strengths in that it is a demonstrable point in his political career where he made a change for the better.

Obama can hardly claim the same with respect to Ayers, Rezko, et. al.

Why should anybody care about Ayers and Rezko? I'm not some starry-eyed Obama supporter that thinks he's the Messiah, I can recognize garden variety corruption when I see it. I just think Obama is the lesser of two evils in this election. And you better believe the Keating Five scandal can be made relevant with the financial news.

[Yonivore]

Why should anybody care about Ayers and Rezko?
Because these people don't represent Obama's past.


I'm not some starry-eyed Obama supporter that thinks he's the Messiah, I can recognize garden variety corruption when I see it. I just think Obama is the lesser of two evils in this election. And you better believe the Keating Five scandal can be made relevant with the financial news.
I doubt it. Except for the way it exposes McCain's dogged determination to avert this crisis -- in the face of equally determined Democrat obstructionism -- due to a repentant attitude he adopted after the Keating Five scandal. I'm telling you, if Obama thought this was a winning issue, he'd be raising it.

[RandomGuy]

I like how none of the Obamamaniacs are directly addressing the facts of the article.

The facts of the article are:

Ayers and Obama served on a board of an organization dedicated to improving education in urban schools.

The opinions of the article are:

Obama and Ayers are/were bosum buddies, and Obama must obviously then think just like Ayers in every way.


You seem to be confusing facts with opinions.

[RandomGuy]

I'm telling you, if Obama thought [the Keating five] was a winning issue, he'd be raising it.

Nah, he would just pull the Rovian tactic of letting surrogates make that case.

[TheProfessor]

Nah, he would just pull the Rovian tactic of letting surrogates make that case.
Yup. Don't think he'd get his hands dirty on that one.

[101A]

A bunch of people here insisted that there was NO POSSIBILITY that an NBA referee would intentionally change the outcome of a game, and they attempted to bully anyone who said differently, and label them as conspiracy theorists. Some of those same idiots are wading in on this subject, and they are just as wrong this time.

There is a lot of speculation, but there are also a lot of facts. How about let's look at them? You can come to your own conclusion about what they mean, but facts are facts. Argue all you want, but do your homework and tell me which of these are incorrect:

1. Ayers was the co-founder of the Weather Underground. They participated in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, including bombing the Pentagon, and attacks on judges presiding on prominent cases. Ayers avoided conviction only because evidence against him was allegedly collected illegally. Ayers describes himself openly as "a small-c communist".
2. When questioned about his association with Ayers, Obama claimed that he was "a guy who lives in the neighborhood". He told ABC directly that he first met the Ayers at a coffee klatch at the Ayers home in 1995. Those statements are so vastly incorrect that they cannot be construed as mistakes, or simple mis-statements.
3. In 1989, Obama was hired as a summer associate at Sidley and Austin. That firm had also recently hired Ayers' wife. The managing partner of Sidley and Austin was a well-known close personal friend of Ayers father.
4. Obama only had one legal job after graduating law school - in 1993, at a firm known as Davis, Miner, and Barnhill. He was hired by name partner Judson Miner, who "happens" to be a personal friend and law school classmate of Ayers' wife.
5. In 1997, Obama and Ayers appeared together in a panel at the University of Illinois-Chicago (about the juvenile justice system), and in 2002 they again appeared at U of C as members of a 6-person panel discussing "Intellectuals in Times of Crisis". Both of those forums were set up by Michelle Obama, who was a University of Chicago PR exec.
6. Ayers headed the creation of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, and made Obama one of the founding board members. Obama was the chairman of the foundation for 3 years, beginning in 1995, and continued to serve on the board until 2001.
7. In 1998, 1999, and 2000 Obama and Ayers were both paid directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago. The board only had 9 members, and met 12 times per year, which makes it difficult to believe Obama's claim that he "doesn't remember" Ayers being a member of the board. (Obama did not receive his $6,000 compensation from the board in 2001. That same year, the foundation donated exactly $6,000 to Obama's church [see: Jeremiah Wright], even though the funds' own bylaws stated that religious organizations were not eligible for grants.)
8. In 1999, the Woods Fund donated $50,000 to the Annenberg Challenge. Both Obama and Ayers served on both boards, but Obama "doesn't remember" Ayers.
9. In 2000, Obama voted for the Woods foundation to give a $1 Million grant to his old boss Allison Davis, formerly of Davis, Miner, and Barnhill (see: #4 above), another Ayers associate.

Is it unimportant? I don't know. Is it unimportant that the Annenberg Challenge gave grants totalling over $650,000 to Michael Klonsky who founded the American-birthed Maoist Communist Party? (And a VERY close personal friend of Ayers for over 30 years.) Or that (until very recently) Klonsky operated a blog at the official Obama Campaign website? Nah... it's all probably just coincidence.

And maybe it's coincidence that right after Obama was elected to the senate, his wife received a $195,000 raise. She made $122K in 2004, and $317K in 2005. And it's probably just coincidence that in 2006, Obama requested a $1 Million earmark for University of Chicago Hospitals, where Michelle Obama is in charge of community outreach.

It's probably also coincidence that Obama bought his house for $1.65 Million (which was $300K less than the asking price), and ON THE SAME DAY the vacant lot next door was purchased for $625,000 by Tony Rezko who was known to be under indictment, and is now a convicted felon. And maybe it's a coincidence that Rezko was a major client of Davis, Miner, and Barnhill, and a major Obama campaign contributor and fundraiser. (Over $250K)


Thank you.

The facts are enlightening.

[IceColdBrewski]

6. Ayers headed the creation of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, and made Obama one of the founding board members. Obama was the chairman of the foundation for 3 years, beginning in 1995, and continued to serve on the board until 2001.

FactCheck.org is a nonprofit website[1] that describes its own goal as "[reducing] the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics." In its efforts, FactCheck claims to be nonpartisan.[2] It is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania, and is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.[2]

Most of its content consists of rebuttals to allegedly inaccurate, misleading, or false claims by politicians. FactCheck has also targeted the misleading claims from various partisan groups.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FactCheck

[George Gervin's Afro]

It's like talking to a wall. The article you posted is an OPINION piece. You think if it was so factual as to warrant serious consideration, they'd let it die in the opinion section? Look up naive in the dictionary. Better yet, go suck off Rush Limbaugh.

That's our Yoni!

[IceColdBrewski]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm080505.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

A bunch of people here insisted that there was NO POSSIBILITY that an NBA referee would intentionally change the outcome of a game, and they attempted to bully anyone who said differently, and label them as conspiracy theorists. Some of those same idiots are wading in on this subject, and they are just as wrong this time.If you are referring to me, you have done a fine job of moving the goalposts. My stance was on the NBA itself fixing games, not individual refs.


[same rehashed bullshit that hasn't made any difference at all]

Is it unimportant?

Yes.

This has been reported and re-reported and vomited up on this board whenever board Republicans feel cornered and need to change the subject.

It hasn't made a difference.

I want to know what the board Republicans are trying to accomplish with their bulimic behavior. What conclusions do you want everyone to draw about Obama from all your conjecture about Ayers and Wright?

[101A]

I want to know what the board Republicans are trying to accomplish with their bulimic behavior. What conclusions do you want everyone to draw about Obama from all your conjecture about Ayers and Wright?

I don't know what to think of the relationship, frankly.

It seems there is more there than has been admitted to. Whenever somebody is trying to hide something, it arouses suspicion.

Wright and Ayers are both extremists. They have espoused, and in Ayers case, acted on those views. They are both unapologetic about their past. Obama has described Ayers, "Just a guy from the neighborhood," when, in fact, their relationship seems to be more significant than that.

What conclusion do I draw from this? Simply that Obama is not probably not being honest about his relationship with Ayers. The question that raises is, why?

[ChumpDumper]

You guys are trying to make this the main issue of the presidential campaign.

Why?

[Shastafarian]

I don't know what to think of the relationship, frankly.

It seems there is more there than has been admitted to. Whenever somebody is trying to hide something, it arouses suspicion.

Wright and Ayers are both extremists. They have espoused, and in Ayers case, acted on those views. They are both unapologetic about their past. Obama has described Ayers, "Just a guy from the neighborhood," when, in fact, their relationship seems to be more significant than that.

What conclusion do I draw from this? Simply that Obama is not probably not being honest about his relationship with Ayers. The question that raises is, why?

Yet you completely dismiss Palin's whole troopergate mess?

I don't know either what their real relationship is. But don't you think any number of the conservative media would've found something concrete by now? It's possible he's just distancing himself from Ayers. It's possible they're friends. But do you really think they're anymore than friends? I'm more concerned about his and McCain's affiliations with lobbyists of any sort.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm not sure where you get your fancy-pants dictionaries but none of mine have pictures. I have a Webster's right in front of me. Lemme look....nope no pictures.
My God man...

Most of my dictionaries have pictures and/or illustrations. Even my 1906!

[Shastafarian]

My God man...

Most of my dictionaries have pictures and/or illustrations. Even my 1906!

What dictionaries are they?!?!? I'm pretty intrigued.

[101A]

Yet you completely dismiss Palin's whole troopergate mess?



No.

I fully expect that she did, in fact, try to get her asshole brother in law fired.

It was an "abuse of power".

I don't have a problem with it - but she can't cop to it because she would lose her job as Alaska's governor.

Dude should have been fired. The guy who didn't fire him should have been fired.

[Wild Cobra]

What dictionaries are they?!?!? I'm pretty intrigued.
I'm not going to make a list. I have several different dictionaries from different timeframes. A 1906, 1936, 194osomething, 1960something, 1974, 1989, 1996, etc. I thnk only the 1974 lacks pictures.

[Shastafarian]

I'm not going to make a list. I have several different dictionaries from different timeframes. A 1906, 1936, 194osomething, 1960something, 1974, 1989, 1996, etc. I thnk only the 1974 lacks pictures.

No I mean which dictionaries. Webster's?

[Wild Cobra]

No I mean which dictionaries. Webster's?
At least two of them are, including the 1906.

Why is this important?

[Shastafarian]

At least two of them are, including the 1906.

Why is this important?

I'm curious. None of the dictionaries I have are laden with pictures. Also you brought it back up.

[Yonivore]

Obama-Ayers: Partners in Revolution (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-ayers-partners-in-revolution/)

More questions...

[ChumpDumper]

Pretty much the same questions in a different blog.

Seriously, what is the point here?

[Yonivore]

I have no idea what you posted but, thanks for bumping, Spunkmeister.

[ChumpDumper]

Ah the old "not ignoring me by saying you are ignoring me" schtick. Nice to know you are still too cowardly to deal with me directly.

I said this is as ineffective as anything else that has been posted about Ayers.

And now I'm saying if you post about me again, you're the biggest douche on the internets.

[Yonivore]

It's a beautiful thing.