Biden: Gaffe master, or just clueless?

[101A]

Oh, sorry, it was Biden:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Biden_garbles_Depression_history.html?showall


Biden garbles Depression history

Joe Biden's denunciation of his own campaign's ad to Katie Couric got so much attention last night that another odd note in the interview slipped by.
He was speaking about the role of the White House in a financial crisis.
"When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed," Biden told Couric. "He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'"
As Reason's Jesse Walker footnotes (http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128960.html) it: "And if you owned an experimental TV set in 1929, you would have seen him. And you would have said to yourself, 'Who is that guy? What happened to President Hoover?'"

[Shastafarian]

Joe Biden's so stupid! He didn't realize TV's weren't invented yet?!?!? Man he's unfit to lead.

[101A]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Biden_No_coal_plants_here_in_America.html?showall


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Biden: 'No coal plants here in America'


Some great rope line video from Joe Biden's recent Ohio swing, where he was asked by an anti-pollution campaigner about clean coal -- a controversial approach in Democratic circles for which Obama has voiced support, particularly during the Kentucky primary (http://polwatchers.typepad.com/pol_watchers/).
Biden's apparent answer: He supports clean coal for China, but not for the United States.
"No coal plants here in America," he said. "Build them, if they're going to build them, over there. Make them clean."
"We’re not supporting clean coal," he said of himself and Obama. They do, on paper, support clean coal.
The answer seems to play into John McCain's case that Obama has been saying "no" to new sources of energy.
In the primary, Biden opposed Obama's push for clean coal, which is seen as a way of maintaining or expanding America's coal-burning power plants -- many of which are in rust belt swing states.
"I don't think there's much of a role for clean coal in energy independence, but I do think there's a significant role for clean coal in the bigger picture of climate change," he told Grist (http://www.grist.org/feature/2007/08/29/biden/) last year. "Clean-coal technology is not the route to go in the United States, because we have other, cleaner alternatives," he said, but added that America should push for a "fundamental change in technology" to clean up China's plants.
Biden also was not shy on his own clean energy credentials.
"The first guy to introduce a global warming bill was me 22 years ago. The first guy to support solar energy was me 20 years ago," he said, apparently referring to the 1986 Global Climate Protection.
Think Progress (http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/09/17/biden-no-coal-in-america/) has some more context, and Jake Tapper reports (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-on-bidens.html) that Obama this morning rebuked Biden on a separate issue, his quick opposition to a federal bailout.
Today, Senator John McCain pounced on Biden's remarks.
"I am going to put in place the priorities and policies that will create jobs in Ohio. One important way that we are going to create jobs here is with the development of additional nuclear plants and through investments in clean coal technology," he said. "[Obama's] running mate here in Ohio recently said that they weren’t supporting clean coal."
Biden spokesman David Wade responded by calling McCain's statement "yet another false attack from a dishonorable campaign."

He continued: "Senator McCain knows that Senator Obama and Senator Biden support clean coal technology. Senator Biden’s point is that China is building coal plants with outdated technology every day, and the United States needs to lead by developing clean coal technologies."
But the error here does seem to be Biden's, and his remarks, and his apparent return to his primary position Tuesday, were striking because just three days ago, he praised the possibilities of coal to a crowd at the United Mine Workers of America annual fish fry in Castlewood, Va.

“You know we have enough coal in the United States of America to meet out needs domestically for the better part of the next hundred to 200 years,” Biden said before launching into a critique of McCain’s energy priorities, slamming his support for billions in tax breaks for oil companies as the industry rakes in record profits.

“Imagine ... what Barack and I can do taking that $4 billion … and investing it in coal gasification, finding out what we can do with carbon sequestration, finding out how we can burn the coal that you dig that can free us from being dependent on foreign oil countries and at the same time not ruin the environment. That’s within our capacity to do it, if you give me $4 billion I promise you, I promise you we will find the answer,” Biden said.

He linked the ticket’s support for coal with their call to have U.S. automakers produce plug-in electric cars. “Where’s that [electricity] come from? That comes from a utility. What do utilities burn? They burn coal mostly.”

[101A]

Joe Biden's so stupid! He didn't realize TV's weren't invented yet?!?!? Man he's unfit to lead.

How about who was president when market crashed, mensa? You should probably stop skipping so many classes to post on here.

[Shastafarian]

How about who was president when market crashed, mensa? You should probably stop skipping so many classes to post on here.

ooooooo good one. What classes are you referring to though?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

well, letterman doesn't have to worry about finding a replacement for his famous presidential speech bit if obamessiden get's in.

God love ya, Joe!!!

did you see his comment about guns?! i'm surprised obamessiah didn't sick his lawyers on joe.

[MannyIsGod]

Lowering expectations for the debate, imo.





































he does say a lot of stupid shit though.

[Findog]

Biden's gaffes don't hurt as much as they would for another candidate. He's like McCain used to be, in that he's cultivated the respect and admiration of reporters, and they won't pound him for thinking out loud. His problem is he tends to let out the first draft of his opinions before he's had a chance to really think things through and give a good answer. it might hurt him in the debate with Palin, but on the stump it's just not an issue, just "Joe being Joe."

[Yonivore]

Biden's gaffes don't hurt as much as they would for another candidate. He's like McCain used to be, in that he's cultivated the respect and admiration of reporters, and they won't pound him for thinking out loud. His problem is he tends to let out the first draft of his opinions before he's had a chance to really think things through and give a good answer. it might hurt him in the debate with Palin, but on the stump it's just not an issue, just "Joe being Joe."

Translation: Joe Biden if a fucking idiot and we're sorry Obama put him on the ticket...we're screwed.

[Findog]

Translation: Joe Biden if a fucking idiot and we're sorry Obama put him on the ticket...we're screwed.

Hmm, 36 years in the Senate, served as chairman of judiciary and foreign relations committee vs. a mayor who invoiced her town's rape victims for rape kits.

Yep, Joe Biden is a fucking moron.

[Yonivore]

"Hmm, 36 years in the Senate,...
How many Delawarians(?) does he have to fool every 6 years to accomplish this feat?


"...served as chairman of judiciary and foreign relations committee..."
You think that committee appointments are based on any semblance of expertise in the area the committee oversees. That's moronic.


"...vs. a mayor..."
Uh, Governor of a state with as many electoral votes as Delaware.


"...who invoiced her town's rape victims for rape kits.
I hadn't heard this one. Do tell.


Yep, Joe Biden is a fucking moron.
Yep...and, every time he opens his mouth, he proves it.

[jackseven]

Joe Biden may not know his President's but you don't last 36 years in the senate without being a sneaky snake. These were calculated moves to make way for Hilary because the dems feel like they need a better wingman.

[Yonivore]

Joe Biden may not know his President's but you don't last 36 years in the senate without being a sneaky snake. These were calculated moves to make way for Hilary because the dems feel like they need a better wingman.
Calculated? :lmao Biden is a one-man gaffe machine...reaching far back before he ever dreamed of being a Vice Presidential Candidate.

[IceColdBrewski]

Joe Biden may not know his President's but you don't last 36 years in the senate without being a sneaky snake. These were calculated moves to make way for Hilary because the dems feel like they need a better wingman.


Biden's name is already on the ballot, and early voting has already started in some states. Hillary won't be flying in to save the day.

[jackseven]

Calculated? :lmao Biden is a one-man gaffe machine...reaching far back before he ever dreamed of being a Vice Presidential Candidate.

Maybe so. I don't know his history. Scenario has presented itself though.

[Yonivore]

I don't think either of the Clintons want any part of the train wreck the Obama/Biden campaign is becoming...


Democrat Barack Obama fails to draw half the crowd Republican John McCain drew last week in the same hall in Green Bay.
Call him the Green Bay unPacker.

In Wisconsin, one of the Big Ten states that will decide this election, McCain and Sarah Palin packed the hall last week.

This week, well, Jake Tapper (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/sitting-room-on.html) posted pictures showing the empty seats. He called it sitting room only.

The Bay City Rollers have just given way to Kiss.

Meanwhile, Kathryn Jean Lopez (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=N2EwYzQ5NGYyMDg1NmFmZTQ3M2Q4NzJhNDM5YjRiOGE=) at the National Review believes, after watching a video interview of Bill Clinton (http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=5857579) on ABC’s The View, that it does “not suggest he is enthused for Obama.” That is an understatement. Clinton’s performance is simultaneously an awesome demonstration of his abilities as a salesman and an enduring testament to the shortcomings of his character. The former President took nearly every opportunity to express his admiration for John McCain and Sarah Palin, while confessing — with just the ghost of a sigh — that it was his stern duty to support Barack Obama as a “loyal Democrat”. He uttered those words with all the enthusiasm of a man trying to convince the his audience he’s drinking laxative because he likes the taste.

And in fairness, Bill’s less than ringing endorsement followed on suggestions that Barack Obama shied away from choosing Hillary as his running mate because of him (http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/6863).


Walters then proceeded to ask Clinton if he thought the reason Obama didn’t want his wife as his VP was because “he didn’t want you in the bargain.” Ever the politician, Clinton responded: “I don’t know the answer to that. I think he felt more comfortable with another choice. And you have to respect that.” Of course this did not satisfy Walters, who continued to press the issue, asking, “Was it because he didn’t want you along?” Clinton retorted: “I have no idea. If anybody thought that, they were just reading the political press and believing it. I wouldn’t have been in this race if Hillary hadn’t run.”
‘No idea’, ‘loyal Democrat’: wonderful phrases all. Politics is one profession where it is customary to say what is nobody believes, least of all yourself, in the interest of keeping your lips moving. Friendship, like outraged surprise in the public life, is sometimes as genuine as a three dollar bill. Nobody seems to mind, so why should you? Maybe there are benefits to being in politics., but one of consolations of living an ordinary life is that nobody marries you for money or pretends to friendship for gain.

Oh yeah, you've also got Obama and Biden spatting with each other...

Biden Calls Obama Attack Ad “Terrible” (http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/22/biden-calls-obama-attack-ad-terrible/)


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Obama on Biden's Initial Opposition to AIG Bailout: 'Joe Should Have Waited' (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-on-bidens.html)
It's like an episode of the Honeymooners.

[jackseven]

Biden's name is already on the ballot, and early voting has already started in some states. Hillary won't be flying in to save the day.

Is there any rules from prohibiting her to save the day? If the dems are losing ground, they'd dump Biden in a second.

[Yonivore]

Maybe so. I don't know his history. Scenario has presented itself though.
Google him and "Gaffes" and get an education.

One of my favorites? From 2007, we have:


“you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”
And, he was trying, yes trying, to endear himself to the Indian population of Delaware.

[Yonivore]

Is there any rules from prohibiting her to save the day? If the dems are losing ground, they'd dump Biden in a second.
They may not be losing ground due to Biden alone. People are realizing the emporer, himself, may have no clothes either.

[Shastafarian]

In their defense, Obama's backers note their rally was held on Monday at noon, compared to a Thursday night rally for McCain and Palin.

Yeah that sinking ship that is the Obama campaign. I just wish they weren't on such a downward spiral in the polls. Oh wait, they aren't.

[Yonivore]

Yeah that sinking ship that is the Obama campaign. I just wish they weren't on such a downward spiral in the polls. Oh wait, they aren't.
Depends on the poll. And, political campaigns often schedule events at "alibi" times when they know turnout will be low.

[Shastafarian]

Depends on the poll. And, political campaigns often schedule events at "alibi" times when they know turnout will be low.

:lol or maybe they're just busy trying to go a lot of places. Your excuses are so fucking weak. And every national poll I've seen lately has Obama up as opposed to the beginning of last week when polls either had it tied or McCain leading.

[Biernutz]

Do you get the idea that Joe's heart is not in this. He stated more than once he would never take the VP position. He said Hillary would have made a better choice. He likes McCain. Did Joe get pushed into this. You know "Joe, be a good party Man".

[Yonivore]

:lol or maybe they're just busy trying to go a lot of places.
So do McCain/Palin...and Wisconsin is a decider.


Your excuses are so fucking weak. And every national poll I've seen lately has Obama up as opposed to the beginning of last week when polls either had it tied or McCain leading.
All the national polls are within the margin of error -- in other words -- a tie.

[Shastafarian]

So do McCain/Palin...and Wisconsin is a decider.

Yeah, the STATE of Wisconsin is a decider. Is that the only rally Obama held in Wisconsin? Maybe he went somewhere else during hours when people could more easily come out.



All the national polls are within the margin of error -- in other words -- a tie.

So what? I was contrasting last week with this week. McCain had a slight advantage with the margin of error. The sinking ship that is the Obama campaign now has an advantage with the margin of error. Is it that hard for you to see that Obama's numbers went up?

[Findog]

Yeah that sinking ship that is the Obama campaign. I just wish they weren't on such a downward spiral in the polls. Oh wait, they aren't.

Why even hold the election at this point according to our friends on the other side of the aisle?

[Yonivore]

Yeah, the STATE of Wisconsin is a decider. Is that the only rally Obama held in Wisconsin? Maybe he went somewhere else during hours when people could more easily come out.
Yeah, go with that.


So what? I was contrasting last week with this week. McCain had a slight advantage with the margin of error. The sinking ship that is the Obama campaign now has an advantage with the margin of error. Is it that hard for you to see that Obama's numbers went up?
I think that is changing. With the Convention bounces gone...the polls will settle. But, only time will tell...and, yeah, I think Obama is sinking.

[Shastafarian]

Yeah, go with that.


haha ok. It's not like it matters a whole lot. The polls currently show Wisconsin is a toss up. I'm sure the Obama campaign will schedule stops in Wisconsin as needed.

[TheMadHatter]

Joe Biden has no effect on this campaign. He can pretty much do or so what he wants, nobody is paying attention. Good for Obama.

[Findog]

Joe Biden has no effect on this campaign. He can pretty much do or so what he wants, nobody is paying attention. Good for Obama.

Joe Biden is gonna keep Pennsylvania in the blue column. He's a good stump campaigner and he's ultimately going to be a good pick with those rust belt voters.

[Yonivore]

Joe Biden is gonna keep Pennsylvania in the blue column. He's a good stump campaigner and he's ultimately going to be a good pick with those rust belt voters.
Yeah, I'm sure the West Pennsylvania coal miners are just pleased as punch with good ol' Joe.


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[Findog]

Yeah, I'm sure the West Pennsylvania coal miners are just pleased as punch with good ol' Joe.


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That's the verbal equivalent of a typo. What he said is actually the opposite of Obama's position.

[Yonivore]

That's the verbal equivalent of a typo. What he said is actually the opposite of Obama's position.
Uhn huh...yeah.

[Findog]

Uhn huh...yeah.

The Obama campaign's official position is that it supports clean coal. Joe Biden in that clip said otherwise. It's what is known as a gaffe. Obama has committed them, so has McCain and Palin. You're not very good at this, are you?

[whottt]

If I didn't know better I'd say Biden was deliberately sabotaging Obama.


No shit...it's that bad.


He is in friends with the Clintons...not to mention he has Presidential ambitions himself.



This guys is making W look smooth.


He's always been a dumbass...but this is a whole new threshold of asshatery.



And yeah...no way do the Clintons go down with this ship.




I think Mr. Obama picked the wrong allies in Dean and Pelosi...the oldschool crats are taking him down. Taking them down...


Look, they've all got the exact same smile on their face.

[Yonivore]

The Obama campaign's official position is that it supports clean coal. Joe Biden in that clip said otherwise. It's what is known as a gaffe. Obama has committed them, so has McCain and Palin. You're not very good at this, are you?
Did I not call Biden a gaffe-master? Gaffe or not, he's on video saying it and the campaign has been forced to explain it away...not very convincingly to some.

[Biernutz]

Yeah, I'm sure the West Pennsylvania coal miners are just pleased as punch with good ol' Joe.


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If Palin had said "no coal mines in the U.S." the liberal media would have hung her up. Also did you see were Joe's hands were the whole time he was talking to that sweet young thing. Guess Joe learned that press the flesh thing from Bubba.

[Findog]

Did I not call Biden a gaffe-master? Gaffe or not, he's on video saying it and the campaign has been forced to explain it away...not very convincingly to some.

My position is that Biden's gaffes don't carry the same weight as the other candidates, because reporters are used to it and won't make much hay as when Palin says she doesn't know what the Bush doctrine is, McCain says the fundamentals of the economy are strong, or Obama talks about his "muslim faith" or says he been to 57 states. The guy has a history of saying stupid shit, all part of "Joe being Joe." But he absolutely is a good campaigner on the stump.

[Anti.Hero]

That's just Joe being Joe.

Palin said what!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


A part of me really does admire the double standards the left have created and get to swim in daily with no ill effect. It's really quite impressive in a "wow look how many people they have brain-washed" sort of way.

Findog: "He's earned the respect and admiration of the media" hahaha wtf does that mean. Do you not realize how pathetic that statement is?

[Yonivore]

Do you not realize how pathetic that statement is?
I'm guessing, no; He doesn't.

[whottt]

My position is that Biden's gaffes don't carry the same weight as the other candidates, because reporters are used to it and won't make much hay as when Palin says she doesn't know what the Bush doctrine is, McCain says the fundamentals of the economy are strong, or Obama talks about his "muslim faith" or says he been to 57 states. The guy has a history of saying stupid shit, all part of "Joe being Joe." But he absolutely is a good campaigner on the stump.

Oh yeah...you could see the humor behind "No Coal Plants" in the US. I bet they are laughing their tails off in Penn. Because it was soooooo funny.

[Findog]

That's just Joe being Joe.

Palin said what!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


A part of me really does admire the double standards the left has created and gets to swim in daily. It's really quite impressive.

Findog: "He's earned the respect and admiration of the media" hahaha wtf does that mean. Do you not realize how pathetic that statement is?

I'm just stating a fact, I didn't pass judgment on it. He's a Senator who has cultivated good relationships with reporters, just like McCain did 8 years ago with the Straight Talk Express. It's good strategy to make the campaign press's job as easy as possible and give them access and the appearance of candor. There's no double standard, McCain did the same thing before he threw in with the knuckledragging mouthbreathers that make up the base of your party.

[whottt]

The left doesn't see that Biden's an idiot because they are just like him...

[Findog]

The left doesn't see that Biden's an idiot because they are just like him...

A non sequitur waiting to happen? Sure.

Idiot? No.

[Findog]

The coal gaffe is not a big deal in most of PA. Coal is dead in all but the southwest of the state. Natural Gas drilling from the Marcellus Shale is about to explode in PA.

http://geology.com/articles/marcellus-shale.shtml

[whottt]

Obama isn't going to win PA.

[Findog]

Obama isn't going to win PA.

We shall see.

[whottt]

Jason Kidd's got a better chance of leading the Mavs to a title than Obama does of winning PA.

[PixelPusher]

2 weeks ago you guys were posting "Is Biden still alive?" (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104487&highlight=Biden) and "Why won't anyone pay attention to me" (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105182) to mock Biden's irrelevance.

Now you're bitching because no one is paying any attention to him.

You guys are funny.

[DarrinS]

It's scary to think such a bafoon would be only a heartbeat away from the presidency (and, gasp, the nuclear codes). It's like a bad Disney movie.

[Findog]

Oh yeah...you could see the humor behind "No Coal Plants" in the US. I bet they are laughing their tails off in Penn. Because it was soooooo funny.


Considering natural gas and not coal is the future in PA, I'd say it's not a big deal. Especially considering that Obama's official position is supportive of "clean coal."

[Yonivore]

2 weeks ago you guys were posting "Is Biden still alive?" (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104487&highlight=Biden) and "Why won't anyone pay attention to me" (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105182) to mock Biden's irrelevance.

Now you're bitching because no one is paying any attention to him.

You guys are funny.
Well, Hell, he got funny...

[PixelPusher]

It's scary to think such a bafoon would be only a heartbeat away from the presidency (and, gasp, the nuclear codes). It's like a bad Disney movie.

If verbal gaffes are the full measure of buffonery, then Bush would have turned the globe into nukular slag years ago.

[Findog]

It's scary to think such a bafoon would be only a heartbeat away from the presidency (and, gasp, the nuclear codes). It's like a bad Disney movie.

I know:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1398/542389855_811a187e7b.jpg

[Findog]

Jason Kidd's got a better chance of leading the Mavs to a title than Obama does of winning PA.

Sweet! I'll go ahead and get Finals tickets right now

[TheMadHatter]

PA has gone Democratic in the last 4-5 presidential elections.

Bush was ahead of Kerry in the state polls in PA at this stage of the game and he STILL lost the state. McCain has not led once, not once. If Obama is up +2-4 come election day he will win PA.

[2centsworth]

Biden is a freakin Riot.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

:lmao man, keep 'em coming, joe. God love, ya!
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WASHINGTON - Vice presidential candidate Joe Biden says today's leaders should take a lesson from the history books and follow fellow Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt's response to a financial crisis.
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"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened,'" Barack Obama's running mate recently told the "CBS Evening News."
Except, Republican Herbert Hoover was in office when the stock market crashed in October 1929. There also was no television at the time; TV wasn't introduced to the public until a decade later, at the 1939 World's Fair

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080923/ap_on_el_pr/biden_mistaken_history

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I know:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1398/542389855_811a187e7b.jpg

3 heartbeats

http://www.diamondvues.com/pelosi.jpg

[Shastafarian]

3 heartbeats

http://www.diamondvues.com/pelosi.jpg

Do you mean 2 heartbeats away?