I hope Dragic sucks...otherwise our decision sucks

[wisnub]

I just heard he got signed with Suns and dunno why it looks promising. I dont think Suns is going anywhere though, but if he's performing well next season then we just give another prospective player to another team....

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Dragic is gonna be a badass.

Fuck the Suns and Tau.

[ducks]

he is not going to replace nash though like kerr thinks

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

He is big player for PG position and very athletic. Very good attack basket and with the finishing plays at rim.

[ducks]

not when duncan swat the shot to the stands

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lol

[Allanon]

It will be interesting, if he does turn into a solid backup for Nash...the irony would be killer if the Spurs were still looking for a backup to Tony Parker at the time.

Here's the old thread on Spurs trading him for a lower pick and some $$CASH$$

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99985&page=2

Looks like most people liked the Hairston, 2009 pick and cash at the time.

[T Park]

cash and a draft pick.

The Spurs can do no right with "spurs fan"

[Allanon]

Hahah


:lol

No Matter who the Spurs get, people have to bitch.


Perspective please people, perspective.

[Trainwreck2100]

I doubt he comes over if the Spurs keep him

[Reggie Miller]

Dragic Thread!

[wisnub]

He is big player for PG position and very athletic. Very good attack basket and with the finishing plays at rim.

i hope you are wrong dude..because if you are right then all i can say is FOOKKKKKKK NOT AGAIN :ihit

[angelbelow]

pretty much.

[T Park]

i hope you are wrong dude..because if you are right then all i can say is FOOKKKKKKK NOT AGAIN :ihit

Not again with who?

[ShoogarBear]

Fuck Tau.

That's my motto for the 2008-2009 season.

Fuck Tau,
and Pau,
and Yao.

:smokin

[wisnub]

Not again with who?

People might get tired hearing this name...his name is Scola, he is a good boy

[wisnub]

Fuck Tau.

That's my motto for the 2008-2009 season.

Fuck Tau,
and Pau,
and Yao.

:smokin

HUAHAUA AGREEE

[Allanon]

Suns FO said they felt 22 year old Dragic was "the 2nd best point guard of the 2008 draft behind Derrick Rose"

Looking at this vid, he seems to have some moves, handles and a good shooting touch, and a little harder to defend since he's left-handed:
mms://phxsuns.wmod.llnwd.net/a205/o2/gdragic_highlights_080701.wmv

Video might take some time to load up...

[timvp]

The thing that angers me about all of this is Dragic is basically in the NBA because he impressed scouts while defending Parker. The Suns won't say it but they are banking on him to be their Parker stopper. I've seen him stay in from of TP ... which is something only Devin Harris and a couple other players can say.

We'll see if that translates onto the NBA court. Hopefully not.

[wisnub]

The thing that angers me about all of this is Dragic is basically in the NBA because he impressed scouts while defending Parker. The Suns won't say it but they are banking on him to be their Parker stopper. I've seen him stay in from of TP ... which is something only Devin Harris and a couple other players can say.

We'll see if that translates onto the NBA court. Hopefully not.

I hate the fact that every single movement with Suns, always got anything to do with Spurs... First they bring Shaq and claim blablabla...still 0 ring. Now they try to speculate with Dragic to stop TP. They even got scrub like Sean Marks as a foul man for Duncan and try to lure Barry but fail, interviewed w/ Buldenhozer (nice to see him back with us).... :danceclub

[BOHOLANO#21]

I just heard he got signed with Suns and dunno why it looks promising. I dont think Suns is going anywhere though, but if he's performing well next season then we just give another prospective player to another team....
just like leandro barbosa before, dragic was coveted by the suns during the draft...i thought most spurs fans here are tired of the FO drafting foreign players? there you go, you have george hill :lol

[T Park]

The thing that angers me about all of this is Dragic is basically in the NBA because he impressed scouts while defending Parker. The Suns won't say it but they are banking on him to be their Parker stopper. I've seen him stay in from of TP ... which is something only Devin Harris and a couple other players can say.

We'll see if that translates onto the NBA court. Hopefully not.


Whens the last time Parker faced him in a game situation just curious.

[duncan228]

After the never ending Scola shit I don't waste my energy on players that could've/would've/should've been Spurs. What's done is done and nothing is going to change it whether the player in question sucks or is great.

[ShoogarBear]

After the never ending Scola shit I don't waste my energy on players that could've/would've/should've been Spurs. What's done is done and nothing is going to change it whether the player in question sucks or is great.

It's not the coulda/woulda/shoulda been Spurs part. It's the part where the Spurs are insistent on handing them over to powerful rivals for nothing.

[timvp]

Whens the last time Parker faced him in a game situation just curious.Last year around this time and Dragic held Parker to something like ~10-12 points on ~25% shooting. I watched the game and Dragic was damn impressive on the defensive end. And from memory, Dragic had the same level of success against him at least two other times.

[Kibic]

Whens the last time Parker faced him in a game situation just curious.
Last year. Summer 2007.

[Spork KIller]

I just heard he got signed with Suns and dunno why it looks promising. I dont think Suns is going anywhere though, but if he's performing well next season then we just give another prospective player to another team....


You can only hope biatch!

[duncan228]

It's not the coulda/woulda/shoulda been Spurs part. It's the part where the Spurs are insistent on handing them over to powerful rivals for nothing.

Yeah, they do. And it's frustrating and hard to understand and we kicked it around here with Scola until...damn, we're still kicking that around here occasionally.

I don't feel competent to second guess an organization that's won 4 Titles in the last decade. I do better having faith that they know what they're doing and hoping it will all work out.

It's what works for me. I like the conversations, and I learn from them, but I have to trust the FO knows what they're doing even if I don't get it.

[Slomo]

I Like Dragic and I like how motivated he is. I hope he will adapt to the NBA well and can make a decent career over there. I still think he should have maybe waited another year to be better prepared, but if the Suns front office doesn't fuck up his role/expectations he should be fine.

I expect him to be better in his second NBA season.

[Spurtacus]

Again...


We're doomed!

[Obstructed_View]

Out of curiosity, what makes anyone think the Spurs would have picked Dragic for themselves? Do some of you realize that teams can't trade picks? The Mavericks didn't want Robert Traylor, they wanted Dirk. They'd have picked Dirk, but they got an extra pick to take a player for someone else. The Spurs did the same thing. It's pretty clear to me that the Spurs didn't want Dragic, or it would have taken more than a second round pick to keep them from letting him go to the Suns.

[wisnub]

I Like Dragic and I like how motivated he is. I hope he will adapt to the NBA well and can make a decent career over there. I still think he should have maybe waited another year to be better prepared, but if the Suns front office doesn't fuck up his role/expectations he should be fine.

I expect him to be better in his second NBA season.

damn......he is on suns. but its alright, we should wish him well

[DPG21920]

After the never ending Scola shit I don't waste my energy on players that could've/would've/should've been Spurs. What's done is done and nothing is going to change it whether the player in question sucks or is great.

I have never seen you cuss before...That is not very lady/man like!

[SpurSupremacist]

Admittedly, I don't know who the hell this guy is. I don't watch European basketball, mainly because it sucks dick compared to the NBA. Back to the matter at hand, I went looking for video of this guy. Suffice it to say, the videos I saw from workouts and otherwise were very impressive. From what I remember looking at summer league stats, Hairston was absolute trash This looks like another imminent fuck-up by the Spurs front office. At this point, I'm not even really made angry by their terrible decisions, I come to expect them.

[mountainballer]

The thing that angers me about all of this is Dragic is basically in the NBA because he impressed scouts while defending Parker. The Suns won't say it but they are banking on him to be their Parker stopper. I've seen him stay in from of TP ... which is something only Devin Harris and a couple other players can say.

We'll see if that translates onto the NBA court. Hopefully not.

that's unfortunately right and it's what makes this move another questionable decision. Dragic has quite some flaws, but he does have the potential to develop into a Bruce Bowen type PG defender. his style, intensity and toughness is right there.
it's not that he defended just Tony well, he did it with many other players.
however, I also expect the Suns to fall apart this season, so it maybe won't matter that much, if Dragic in fact can slow Tony.

[Kamnik]

IF THE SPURS WOULD DRAFT HIM HE WOULD NOT COME OVER!

Spurs wouldnt invest enough $$, spurs wouldnt promis him anything so he would not go thorugh all the hassle to come over.

Until proven (by him) otherwise he is already my favourite player in the NBA. (allthough in a team i hate)

[Obstructed_View]

BTW, Dragic stills say this is all lie.

[kobyz]

it's feeling like another mistake, in the style of Scola mistake and the Scola mistake cost us a championship.
i'm feeling for some time that R.C Buford has lost it, and every move that he made in the last couple of years was wrong!

[mrspurs]

The thing that angers me about all of this is Dragic is basically in the NBA because he impressed scouts while defending Parker. The Suns won't say it but they are banking on him to be their Parker stopper. I've seen him stay in from of TP ... which is something only Devin Harris and a couple other players can say.

We'll see if that translates onto the NBA court. Hopefully not.

Agreed just like the Spurs grab Kurt as a Suns stopper. Kurt did a great job against the Suns. Then imo was to small to help much after. And you dont stop TP. Only Pop and TP stop TP.

[Kamnik]

Dragic has all the tools to be succesful if he stays healthy and works hard.

The only thing that goes against him he is not a gifted shooter; but neither was TP.

[Bruno]

Suns are done and Dragic is nothing special.

[/thread]

[ChuckD]

i hope you are wrong dude..because if you are right then all i can say is FOOKKKKKKK NOT AGAIN :ihit

That's pretty much your boilerplate post, so why wouldn't you say it? Step up your game. This Drama Queen shit got to go. You bitch because we drafted two Tau players who decided to stay longer, and then you bitch because we decide not to get burned a 3rd time?

[Sissiborgo]

He will suck....No worries...

[rapliketp]

It's the part where the Spurs are insistent on handing them over to powerful rivals for nothing.
Rockets can't even get past the first round.

[Allanon]

Rockets can't even get past the first round.

Without 1 of the 2 losses to the Rockets last year (ironically, Matt Bonner missed the buzzer beater in the 2nd loss), the Spurs could have had the #1 seed and could have avoided sleeping in New Orleans before the WCF. Also with the #1 and HCA, Spurs would have been in San Antonio waiting for the Lakers to arrive. Who knows if the Lakers could have made that great 20 point comeback in SA.

Oh damn, more coulda/woulda/shoulda....

[objective]

Without 1 of the 2 losses to the Rockets last year (ironically, Matt Bonner missed the buzzer beater in the 2nd loss),

Bonner has never made a basket in the closing minutes of a close basketball game his entire time with the Spurs, and that's not an exaggeration.

[SenorSpur]

A couple of points on this Dragic situation:

#1. If the Spurs valued Dragic moreso than Hill (and we don't have proof of that), they should've drafted and retained him for themselves. We may never know what their scouting reports were on the guy.

#2. If the Spurs did not value Dragic as much as the Suns, then perhaps they should've held out for a #1 pick in next year's draft. Keep in mind, the Spurs gave away their '09 pick to the Sonic in the KT trade.

#3. Keeping with the previous point, why fortify a rival? Unless it's a deal you absolutely can't refuse, I would think twice about doing deals with teams for which the Spurs have a fierce rivalry with. If a 2nd pick was the going rate for doing the Dragic deal with any ordinary team, then the price for a rival, like the Suns, would have to be a 1st round pick.

The scenario that would be the worst possible nightmare for all us Spurs fans would be, Dragic turns out to be a player for the Suns and Hairston turns out to be a bust. Or worst yet, the Spurs don't give Hairston a chance to develop, cut him, and he goes elsewhere and turns into a player. Either of these scenarios, my friends, will be Scola Folly - the Sequel.

The Spurs have already fortified Houston with the Scola trade. Could this one backfire as well?

[objective]

#2. If the Spurs did not value Dragic as much as the Suns, then perhaps they should've held out for a #1 pick in next year's draft. Keep in mind, the Spurs gave away their '09 pick to the Sonic in the KT trade.

The Suns can't trade their 09 first rounder because they gave up the 2010 in the Kurt Thomas trade, because teams can't trade away consecutive first round picks. Best the Suns can do in any trade is a 2012 first.

[SenorSpur]

Out of curiosity, what makes anyone think the Spurs would have picked Dragic for themselves?

It's pretty clear to me that the Spurs didn't want Dragic, or it would have taken more than a second round pick to keep them from letting him go to the Suns.

If that is the case, what's wrong with this picture? The Spurs elect to sign Salim Stoudamire, an offensive-only player, while the Suns draft a defensive-minded PG, courtesy of a trade with the Spurs.

Now which team is the one that values defense?

[SenorSpur]

just like leandro barbosa before, dragic was coveted by the suns during the draft...i thought most spurs fans here are tired of the FO drafting foreign players? there you go, you have george hill :lol

That's the problem. Over the past 10 years, the Spurs have employed a draft strategy of "all-Euro, all the time". They've usually committed nearly all their resources into this strategy. The problem in doing so is that the club has ocassionally passed over solid, young, domestic talent. The best strategy is TAKE THE BEST PLAYER on your board, when it's your turn to pick - PERIOD.

[Kamnik]

http://www.nba.com/suns/multimedia/Suns_Multimedia.html

[N4th4n]

BTW, Dragic stills say this is all lie.

Now you are just making things up. He has been working out in Phoenix for the last mounth!

[angel_luv]

It's not the coulda/woulda/shoulda been Spurs part. It's the part where the Spurs are insistent on handing them over to powerful rivals for nothing.

And this time a Slovenian to boot.



:pctoss

[Obstructed_View]

If that is the case, what's wrong with this picture? The Spurs elect to sign Salim Stoudamire, an offensive-only player, while the Suns draft a defensive-minded PG, courtesy of a trade with the Spurs.

Now which team is the one that values defense?

If Dragic was on the Spurs' board and they gave him up to a western conference rival for a second round pick, then they're completely stupid. In other words, he wasn't on their board. They just traded picks. That the teams have to make each others selections is simply a technicality.

BTW, I'd say the team that values defense in the draft is the one that's seen in bounce them from the playoffs three out of five years, and the one that values offense is the one that couldn't buy a bucket for stretches during the postseason.

[wisnub]

That's pretty much your boilerplate post, so why wouldn't you say it? Step up your game. This Drama Queen shit got to go. You bitch because we drafted two Tau players who decided to stay longer, and then you bitch because we decide not to get burned a 3rd time?

For the last time I just want you to know I DIDNT BITCH WE DRAFTED SCOLA AND SPLITTER, I CHERISED IT. What we did with the picks was what's wrong. Scola didnt decide to stay longer,we just "cant afford" to buyout him and let Rockets did it. For Splitter case, its over and we cant do anything coz its his decision. If we dont want to gamble with Dragic why draft him in the first place,is there no one else available?? Suns draft pick is unlikely to be high since they always in playoffs and the money is not that much. Bitch that..BUT YOU ARE RIGHT AND IM LETTING IT GO NOW. over and out!

[duncan228]

I have never seen you cuss before...That is not very lady/man like!

228 can cuss with the best of them. It doesn't happen often, it takes a lot to push me that far. People really got a kick out of it the first time I got pissed enough at someone here to say "Fuck you" to them. :lol

[oligarchy]

#3. Keeping with the previous point, why fortify a rival? Unless it's a deal you absolutely can't refuse, I would think twice about doing deals with teams for which the Spurs have a fierce rivalry with. If a 2nd pick was the going rate for doing the Dragic deal with any ordinary team, then the price for a rival, like the Suns, would have to be a 1st round pick.


They usually make the deal without knowing the players, so how do they determine whether they are helping or hurting? E.g., they just say we'll swap picks, give you next years pick, and some cash, how does that sound? When the clock comes up, they call the team and tell them who to pick.

[ChuckD]

He's Slovenian. They don't have a good track record as Spurs. He would have epic failed here, just like his countrymen Rasho and Paino.

[ShoogarBear]

And this time a Slovenian to boot.



:pctoss

Good ole angel. Always finding the silver lining in a situation. :tu