Need help from Computer geeks

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I'm looking to build a new desktop computer for various uses. The computer would be used primarily for video editing but since I'm quite an avid gamer, I want a computer that will meet the requirements of the newest games in the market. I'm looking to spend somewhere between $1500 to $2000.

Can you suggest a good set up? (Graphics card, motherboard, brand of RAM, etc)

P.S. I already have a monitor, keyboard, mouse. I'm just looking for CPU setups.

[hater]

what monitor do you have? if you will do video + gaming you can't go smaller than 24" monitor these days.

I just bought this monitor and I can't imagine looking at another monitor, it's amazing:
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/acer_p243w_24/

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I agree with you on the gaming front I guess. In terms of video editing however, I don't think its very necessary to have a huge monitor. 24' is way too big IMO. I have a 19' Viewsonic and it works well enough.

[hater]

I used to say 19" is good enough until I got my 24" widescreen. Now I realize how silly I was.

Beleive me monitor should be on top priority it is the thing you interact with the most. What use is a kick ass pc with a tiny, old 19" monitor?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I used to say 19" is good enough until I got my 24" widescreen. Now I realize how silly I was.

Beleive me monitor should be on top priority it is the thing you interact with the most. What use is a kick ass pc with a tiny, old 19" monitor?

when its either or, its not the top priority. I'd rather have a better graphics card or more ram than a bigger monitor. 19' is just fine for my purposes.

[Fernando TD21]

Remember, if you get a huge screen you will also need a great VGA (graphic card) to run some games on the native resolution.
Since you do video editing, I recommend a quad-core. 4GB of ram would be nice, specially if you are using Vista.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I've been hearing about RAID systems being ideal for video editing setups. Anybody know why exactly?

[DizzG.]

$1500 to $2000.


That is to much money to spend. But if you want to spend it why not buy someone else system they spent 2500 on that way you have all you need.

[DizzG.]

http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/detail-page/B000VR4F2Q-opensideview.jpg

Apple Mac Pro Desktop (Two 3.2 GHz Quad Core Intel Xeon Processors, 2 GB RAM, 320 GB Hard Drive, 16x SuperDrive)

[PM5K]

For that much money I don't see why you can't get a new monitor as well...

[Steve Perry]

keep the updates coming! :tu

[DannyT]

2 g's is way too much...for just a pc...unless your video editing is bringing money something can be bought for a bit less and be just as powerful....especially if youre building this bad boy by yourself

[TDMVPDPOY]

I just built this comp 2 weeks ago, dunno about the prices in america, but this is my system atm

CPU - Q6600 @ stock 2.4ghz
MOBO - GB-EP45-DS3
RAM - 4GB DD2 800 RAM
GPU - SAPPHIRE 4870X2 :D
PSU - CORSAIR HX620
CASE - CM690
O/S - VHP64BIT
TOTAL = AUS $1700

PS. IMA overclock that quad of mine :D cause the cpu atm is bottlenecking the video card, and getting a 24inch LCD screen to fully utilized my video-card resolution at gaming 1900x1200 ftw

Quads is good for multitasking if you are doing alot of crap like openning multiple programs etc at the same time or video encoding/photoshop...

intel is having a price cut soon on there CPUs, so just wait till next month, where new intel i7 chips are out, which would hopefully decrease prices down for previous chips.

If your into gaming i suggest getting a 8400/8500/8600 cpu if you got no budget since these cpus can overclocked to +4ghz npz. Or you can settle for the 7xxx series cpus which has smaller cache, but can overclock quiet well as the 8xxx series. Duo core cpus are very good for gaming etc, but not for multi-handling stacks of programs at the same time, it wont bottlenecked ur high-end video card cause at +3ghz stock speeds is good enough.

that quaddro fx video card....lmao is not for games, only for clowns who do cad work dude.

[velik_m]

I've been hearing about RAID systems being ideal for video editing setups. Anybody know why exactly?

RAID is for security against disk failure. If you're doing this for living that's a good idea, however you're better off putting together a cheap file server for this purpose. Most PC's come with software RAID at most, and you really want a hardware one.
If you're not doing this for living, just set up a regular backup routine (e.g. once a week) to external data storage device, and forget about raid.

As for display, you will want as much work surface as possible, however better (and cheaper) solution is to buy a second screen and work dual screen, instead of just upgrading your current one (make sure your graphics card will support this).

As for the rest: go cheap on box, disk (as big as possible), DVD drive, use on board sound card and network card.
Go heavy on graphics (with plenty of video ram) and processor, buy as much ram as possible. Make sure your PSU will provide enough power and select motherboard that will support your configuration.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Here's the situation. I study cinematography so video editing is bound to be a part of my professional life in one way or the other. Point is, yes, I am planning on using this to make a living at some point.

For now I'll be editing my class projects, for which I've already earmarked 6k to buy a Panasonic HVX200a HDV camera. Now, the setup I need has to be able to handle HD editing and encoding so it will definitely be hardware intensive. I've been told that video editing doesn't really rely heavily on graphics cards though, BUT since I'm quite an avid gamer and it is necessary for me to buy most everything else to edit, I might as well shell out a few extra bucks, get me a very decent graphics card and be done with it.

anyway, thanks for the advice gents! very much appreciated. :tu

[baseline bum]

Absolutely do not buy AMD and do buy Core2Duo/Quad/etc if you want to do lots of video editing. Also, don't buy more than 3GB of RAM if you're using 32-bit XP, because it sets aside ~1GB of the 4GB address space for device addresses I believe. I'm not sure if 32-bit Vista does the same, but if I had to put money on it I'd guess it does. I wouldn't buy less than 3GB either though if I'm doing lots of video editing, especially with RAM being so cheap now. Of course, if video editing is a much higher priority than gaming I might be tempted to go Mac for Final Cut Pro.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Absolutely do not buy AMD and do buy Core2Duo/Quad/etc if you want to do lots of video editing. Also, don't buy more than 3GB of RAM if you're using 32-bit XP, because it sets aside ~1GB of the 4GB address space for device addresses I believe. I'm not sure if 32-bit Vista does the same, but if I had to put money on it I'd guess it does. I wouldn't buy less than 3GB either though if I'm doing lots of video editing, especially with RAM being so cheap now. Of course, if video editing is a much higher priority than gaming I might be tempted to go Mac for Final Cut Pro.

I've heard about the 32bit systems only using 3gb RAM, thanks for the confirmation. I personally plan on buying at least 4 if not more.

As for the Mac, I agree Final Cut Pro is a god send, but I'm not really a Mac person. Plus, I plan on doing several upgrades as time goes by and Mac is RIDICULOUSLY expensive down here in Argentina (I'm truly not really sure who can afford Apple here... I'm guessing the crooks in our government :lol). I think I'm going to stick with what I know and buy Pc. Plus Adobe Premier Pro CS3 is quite good.

[baseline bum]

Also, don't underestimate the need for large hard drives if you work with uncompressed video. Even something as low as 640x480 at 29.97 fps will likely take up about 3-4 GB/hour as uncompressed MJPEG (not counting sound or size added by container format). At 720p that goes up to around 16GB/hr for uncompressed video.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Also, don't underestimate the need for large hard drives if you work with uncompressed video. Even something as low as 640x480 at 29.97 fps will likely take up about 3-4 GB/hour as uncompressed MJPEG (not counting sound or size added by container format). At 720p that goes up to around 16GB/hr for uncompressed video.

yeah, I'm aware of the storage space importance. In fact, when talking HD, we're talking minutes = GBs...

I've also heard I should get two separate disks, one for my OS and programs, the other for video compression and project storage. Is this accurate?

[baseline bum]

I've heard about the 32bit systems only using 3gb RAM, thanks for the confirmation. I personally plan on buying at least 4 if not more.

As for the Mac, I agree Final Cut Pro is a god send, but I'm not really a Mac person. Plus, I plan on doing several upgrades as time goes by and Mac is RIDICULOUSLY expensive down here in Argentina (I'm truly not really sure who can afford Apple here... I'm guessing the crooks in our government :lol). I think I'm going to stick with what I know and buy Pc. Plus Adobe Premier Pro CS3 is quite good.

Definitely look it up to make sure I'm not full of crap on the 3GB barrier. Even in theory, you cannot use more than 4GB of RAM on a typical 32-bit OS (32-bits can only address 2^32 different bytes, i.e., 4GB, as 1GB = 2^30 bytes).

If you use Linux you can build a 2.6 kernel to be able to address 64GB on a 32-bit build, but XP certainly does not have this, and I doubt Vista does in its 32-bit form. You might want to research 64-bit Vista though. I haven't paid any attention to it in a while, and while it was crap the last time I checked, maybe 64-bit Vista works decently now.

[baseline bum]

yeah, I'm aware of the storage space importance. In fact, when talking HD, we're talking minutes = GBs...

I've also heard I should get two separate disks, one for my OS and programs, the other for video compression and project storage. Is this accurate?

I would, but that's mostly because I wouldn't want to lose any of my video if I have to reformat the system partition. Windows partition management on the installation disk sucks ass, and I wouldn't risk a lot of data by keeping it on the same drive as my system partition, even in a different partition.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Definitely look it up to make sure I'm not full of crap on the 3GB barrier. Even in theory, you cannot use more than 4GB of RAM on a 32-bi (32-bits can only address 2^32 different bytes, i.e., 4GB, as 1GB = 2^30 bytes).

If you use Linux you can build a 2.6 kernel to be able to address 64GB on a 32-bit build, but XP certainly does not have this, and I doubt Vista does in its 32-bit form. You might want to research 64-bit Vista though. I haven't paid any attention to it in a while, and while it was crap the last time I checked, maybe 64-bit Vista works decently now.

got it :tu thanks for the heads up

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I would, but that's mostly because I wouldn't want to lose any of my video if I have to reformat the system partition. Windows partition management on the installation disk sucks ass, and I wouldn't risk a lot of data by keeping it on the same drive as my system partition, even in a different partition.

well, from what I've heard its also an issue of performance as well. Of course, I could be wrong. Still, even if its just the safety angle, I'd buy two just for that.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i suggest you have one hdd for ur programs, a very fast sata hdd 7500rpm-15000rpm....

then 2 750gb in a raid setup...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Anybody know what is better, one nVidia gtx 280 or two 8800 GT in SLI?

[leemajors]

32 bit vista and 32 bit XP cannot recognize more than 3GB RAM. Go 64 bit. Sheeit, if you got a Mac Pro you could run both MacOSX and Vista/XP if you were so inclined.

[Cartman]

Here's the situation. I study cinematography so video editing is bound to be a part of my professional life

A smart person like yourself should know how to buy a PC already.

my 2 cents

[TDMVPDPOY]

Anybody know what is better, one nVidia gtx 280 or two 8800 GT in SLI?

gtx280 is the later model
there is a gtx280+ model coming out soon, its on a new pcb i think...then a gtx380 or someshit is in the works atm.

[pickle girl]

I hope when your done you post some pics! :tu

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Alright, I've been doing some research and this is the system I plan to buy:

CPU - Intel Q9400 @ stock 2.6ghz
MOBO - Asus Striker II Formula nForce 780i Motherboard
RAM - 2 x 2048 DD2 800 Corsair
GPU - BFG GeForce GTX 280 Video Card - OC Edition, 1GB GDDR3
HardDrive - 2 SATA II 7200 500gb 16mb (Western Digital)
PSU - Silverstone SST-ST70F 700W
CASE - Thermaltake Armor Jr


I figure the CPU + MOBO + GPU will run me around $1000. The RAM will be an extra $120, the two harddrives an extra $140, the Silverstone PSU around $145, and the Thermaltake case around $150. All in all a very acceptable $1555.

[Lance]

I hope your graphics look better than the ones from my 400.00 dollar POS HP :lmao

[Horn Tooter]

Alright, I've been doing some research and this is the system I plan to buy:

CPU - Intel Q9400 @ stock 2.6ghz
MOBO - Asus Striker II Formula nForce 780i Motherboard
RAM - 2 x 2048 DD2 800 Corsair
GPU - BFG GeForce GTX 280 Video Card - OC Edition, 1GB GDDR3
HardDrive - 2 SATA II 7200 500gb 16mb (Western Digital)
PSU - Silverstone SST-ST70F 700W
CASE - Thermaltake Armor Jr


I figure the CPU + MOBO + GPU will run me around $1000. The RAM will be an extra $120, the two harddrives an extra $140, the Silverstone PSU around $145, and the Thermaltake case around $150. All in all a very acceptable $1555.





:tu

[TDMVPDPOY]

Hey dude if you want some cheap dusts filters, i suggest stealin your gfs/moms stockings and sticky tape it to the air vents mesh :D:D

[MaNuMaNiAc]

:tu

actually mouse, I was sort of hoping people would comment on the setup I posted and perhaps give one or two ways I could improve on it. Wasn't really trying to toot my horn. Although with the amount of time it took me to save up the money to buy this bad boy I might as well toot away :lol

[Xolotl]

Absolutely do not buy AMD and do buy Core2Duo/Quad/etc if you want to do lots of video editing.


Can you explain why not to purchase an AMD? I usually stick with AMD CPU's but I'm back in the market for a gaming machine, and I haven't been paying too much attention to the AMD vs. Intel. Has AMD falled off when compared to the Intel chips?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Can you explain why not to purchase an AMD? I usually stick with AMD CPU's but I'm back in the market for a gaming machine, and I haven't been paying too much attention to the AMD vs. Intel. Has AMD falled off when compared to the Intel chips?

From what I've gathered AMD has never been on the same level as intel. Sure you can rationalize cost vs performance and come to the conclusion that AMD offers a better ratio, but if you have the money to spend Intel is the one to buy.

[Xolotl]

From what I've gathered AMD has never been on the same level as intel. Sure you can rationalize cost vs performance and come to the conclusion that AMD offers a better ratio, but if you have the money to spend Intel is the one to buy.

Ok that does make sense b/c the last time I've paid attention to the debate was back when the dual cores first came out, so it's been a while

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Ok that does make sense b/c the last time I've paid attention to the debate was back when the dual cores first came out, so it's been a while

I have heard that AMD responds better to overclocking than Intel though. I do think there are quite a lot of more knowledgeable posters in here than can paint you a much more accurate and informed picture of the difference between the two than I ever could.

[baseline bum]

From what I've gathered AMD has never been on the same level as intel. Sure you can rationalize cost vs performance and come to the conclusion that AMD offers a better ratio, but if you have the money to spend Intel is the one to buy.

AMD for a long time was far better than Intel. From about 2001 until the release of the Core2 architecture, AMD was not only the better buy, but the better CPU too.

I think I jumped the gun a bit on saying that, as I haven't spent much time researching the AMD Phenom CPUs. However, Tom's Hardware's benchmarks have shown Intel's CPUs to be pretty superior to AMDs. When I made that statement above though, I was contrasting Core2Duo to AMD64x2; Core2Duo has much much better integer operations performance, and does not generate nearly as much heat as the AMD64x2.

Anyways, here are a few benchmarks from Tom's Hardware related to video compression and gaming:

time to encode 2 minutes of a Terminator2 DVD using the XViD codec (http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/XviD-1-1-3,831.html)

Unreal Tournament 3 FPS @ 1680x1050 (http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/Unreal-Tournament-3-1680x1050,819.html)

Crysis FPS @ 1680x1050 (http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/Crysis-1680x1050,818.html)

They all seem to point to Intel's CPUs being pretty superior to AMD's.

Here's another benchmark showing how badly Intel is still killing AMD for performance on integer operations
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/Sandra-2008-Processor-Multimedia,804.html

[TDMVPDPOY]

I have heard that AMD responds better to overclocking than Intel though. I do think there are quite a lot of more knowledgeable posters in here than can paint you a much more accurate and informed picture of the difference between the two than I ever could.

No man, amd doesnt overclock as well like the intel duo cores or quads.

The only benefit of the amd chips is that its current platform motherboards dont need a new board in case you wanna upgrade to the next amd chips thats coming out soon base on a new architecture but uses the same socket AM2. Unlike intel, where the new chips (nehelam, larrabee or wtf its called) coming out will need new motherboard and ddr3 ram, which will cost you nearly $1000 for 3 components (mobo, ram, cpu).

[TDMVPDPOY]

They all seem to point to Intel's CPUs being pretty superior to AMD's.

Here's another benchmark showing how badly Intel is still killing AMD for performance on integer operations
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/Sandra-2008-Processor-Multimedia,804.html

I goto tomshardware also for news, but sometimes when you look at there benchmarks its a bit inconsistent, sometimes when they compared both platforms whether its amd + intel or nvidia + ati/amd, one has updated drivers and one has old drivers.

[Ricardo Romo]

actually mouse, I was sort of hoping people would comment on the setup I posted and perhaps give one or two ways I could improve on it. Wasn't really trying to toot my horn. Although with the amount of time it took me to save up the money to buy this bad boy I might as well toot away :lol


Horn is BigZax
:lmao

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Horn is BigZax
:lmao

My bad then

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Question, anybody know some good places to buy computer equipment in Houston?

[Cry Havoc]

Alright, I've been doing some research and this is the system I plan to buy:

CPU - Intel Q9400 @ stock 2.6ghz
MOBO - Asus Striker II Formula nForce 780i Motherboard
RAM - 2 x 2048 DD2 800 Corsair
GPU - BFG GeForce GTX 280 Video Card - OC Edition, 1GB GDDR3
HardDrive - 2 SATA II 7200 500gb 16mb (Western Digital)
PSU - Silverstone SST-ST70F 700W
CASE - Thermaltake Armor Jr


I figure the CPU + MOBO + GPU will run me around $1000. The RAM will be an extra $120, the two harddrives an extra $140, the Silverstone PSU around $145, and the Thermaltake case around $150. All in all a very acceptable $1555.




Great system. 1 GTX 280 will destroy twin 8800s. DO NOT BUY 8800s! They have a serious fault in them (up to 60% of the units) that causes them to fail. NVidia has stayed quiet about this, but it's extremely common about 1-2 years after buying the chip.

Just a thought, you might want to change the hard drives. Newegg.com has a 500 GB hard drive with 32 mb of cache for $77.

I'm jealous of that setup! :lol Computers are just crazy powerful these days.


No man, amd doesnt overclock as well like the intel duo cores or quads.

No CPU has EVER overclocked like the Core 2 Duos. A friend of mine took his water cooled 3.0 Ghz Quad Core up to 4.6 Ghz. Insane.

[Xolotl]

Sorry to take you guys off topic in here but thanks for all the info and the link to Tomshardware, I've never heard of it

[TDMVPDPOY]

if ur going for the high end card 280gtx or 4870x2

then your monitor better be a +24inch screen, you will not regret 1900x1200 resolution :D

[DannyT]

I havent tried to bypass my kvm switch but for some fucked up reason my keyboard that I juat replaced last night is having issues with the 1QAZ row of letters....all others work except for that one row. I will plug it stright into the pc tonight to make sure its not something with my kvm but has anyone ever had this issue before or know what its happening...is the keyboard out the box already full of shit?
:ihit

[mouse]

Any updates on this topic?

[TDMVPDPOY]

Any updates on this topic?


hey mouse, i just bought 3x LED 80mm fans 2300rpms for 2buck each...120mm leds are damn expensive....and bought a 4pack cm 120mm generic fans 25buck, and one sob HSF THERMALTAKE ultra 120 :D:D:D fukn enjoying the temps on the cpu and vid going down....

already installed the hsf with 2 120mm (1300rpms) generic fans pushing air into hsf and a 1 120mm generic as an exhausts takin hot air out in the back....got 2 120mm fans waiting to be plugged + 1 80mm led fan also (didnt have any 3pin to 4pin cables, so i can use the 4pin inputs on the motherboard which detects temps, rpm etc....all im using atm is the 4pin connectors from the PSU.... :( these generic fans suck, but do the job on a budget....need it since summer is just a month away down here....fukn

im overclocking my comp sometime this week.....comp is similar to manus, but i pwned him with the 4870x2 vid card :D, still on 17inch monitor though :lmao....

with the shitty dollar atm? prices for comp parts have gone up, and the new intel chips argggg fuckn nice but damn expensive.....

comp atm
q6600 stock @ 2.4ghz,
sapphire 4870x2,
gb45-ds3 mobo
4gb dd2 6400 ram
vista64
case cm690 + ultra120 hsf

ps. i shouldve bought 1066 ram, wouldve been better if i knew i was going to overclock....aimin for 3.6-3.8ghz system....

[mouse]

Do you have any pics, and what was the final price tag?

[TDMVPDPOY]

Do you have any pics, and what was the final price tag?

no pics yet bro,

system cost me about $1800 to put together...shouldve opted for a alternative vid card imo like a 4850 card which were retailing AUS$200 or a 4870 aus$355, instead of buying the 4870x2 AUS$700...then i wouldve had excess money left over and bought a +24inch lcd screen. every week im checking the dell site for any offers, they sometimes have good deals like $100-$150 off retail price + 20% off coupon and if you have car insurance promotions can get a further 10% off.

man you know when i was installing the HSF into the comp, fukn cable management is a bitch when you do everything right like have all the cables run behind the motherboard only to find out fukn cables are either short, or the cables are too thick that you cant screw back on the side case mount, then having to rearrange everything again.

ps. hey i got another problem with another comp....cant seem to install o/s onto the hdd, keeps on getting BSOD during copying files like files missing and shit...its lame. i think its either ram or cd-cable thats fuckd up. been trying to fix the bugger for 2 weeks now.

the other systems specs is
p4 D540 3GHZ << you had one of these CPUS that you sold didnt you mouse....
1gb << i think faulty shit
120gb hdd
6600gt pci vid card << fkn bs now this is stop workin...
asus p5gd2 board

the p4 d SERIES, are a good chip to overclock...but temps are a bitch...and eats alot of watts

[TDMVPDPOY]

Hey mouse i also forgot

if you look around, maybe there are a few companies out there that upgrade there systems, and sometimes they just wanna get rid of their previous systems....it be good if anyone can get it for free....then bring it home and fix it, resell it :D:D << you get alot of these so called setup businesses these days selling refurbish stuff....

[Last Comic Standing]

I thought by you asking the original question you had no idea about computers I was wrong to miss judge you I was way off base! :tu

[TDMVPDPOY]

Alright, I've been doing some research and this is the system I plan to buy:

CPU - Intel Q9400 @ stock 2.6ghz
MOBO - Asus Striker II Formula nForce 780i Motherboard
RAM - 2 x 2048 DD2 800 Corsair
GPU - BFG GeForce GTX 280 Video Card - OC Edition, 1GB GDDR3
HardDrive - 2 SATA II 7200 500gb 16mb (Western Digital)
PSU - Silverstone SST-ST70F 700W
CASE - Thermaltake Armor Jr


I figure the CPU + MOBO + GPU will run me around $1000. The RAM will be an extra $120, the two harddrives an extra $140, the Silverstone PSU around $145, and the Thermaltake case around $150. All in all a very acceptable $1555.



i wanna see you run a game on full max settings....bottleneck :D:D your video card is going to bottleneck that CPU (cpu under 3ghz wont keep up with the data the video card is transfering) + ur not fully utilizing the 280gtx on a monitor/lcd that doesnt have 1900x1200 resolutions...also check the tempreture on your video card at low and high resolutions, you will see what i mean by 1900x1200....

dude benchmark ur fukn system now with 3DMARK OR 3DMARK VANTAGE.. goto www.futuremark.com and dl the program, range from 400mb-800mb
3dmark is more benchmarking about ur video card and less CPU intensive testing, while the 3dvantage program uses both for testing...

if ur planning to overclock, the stock HSF/cooler can support a 10% overclock...unless you want big margins, than you gotto buy a aftermarket cooler....

PS. I like ur mobo though, thats pretty expensive man....does that accept DDR3 ram?

[mouse]

ps. hey i got another problem with another comp....cant seem to install o/s onto the hdd, keeps on getting BSOD during copying files like files missing and shit...its lame. i think its either ram or cd-cable thats fuckd up. been trying to fix the bugger for 2 weeks now.



Dose it do this after it installs a few files first? Does it say setup.DLL file not found and so on?

If it is? then you have to change the RAM. if you have two memory sticks pull out one and try again, then switch the sticks, it's very rare both stick go bad at once.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Dose it do this after it installs a few files first? Does it say setup.DLL file not found and so on?

If it is? then you have to change the RAM. if you have two memory sticks pull out one and try again, then switch the sticks, it's very rare both stick go bad at once.

lol i just tried that for the first time in 2 weeks, guess what...now i cant see shit on that comps monitor cause the video card is fckd up for some reason, i tested the monitor to see if it works on my system, no problems with it....think i have to check if that comps tower works with the monitor in my room.


yeh it stalls at around 90% and chicaboom .dll missing or boot sector or memory bs...sometimes i can get it pass 100% and into the windows screen where it starts to copy/install files (that 30min screen setup) than boom BSOD

[TDMVPDPOY]

hey mouse have you read about them new intel chips...fukn nice and overclocks well too but they cost like an arm an a leg to purchased....ive seen a few reviews about them....

[Smackie Chan]

hey mouse have you read about them new intel chips...fukn nice and overclocks well too but they cost like an arm an a leg to purchased....ive seen a few reviews about them....


Dude you must live outside the USA all that shit is cheap. There are Vatos on eBay and Craigslist selling 3ghz cpu's with DVD Burners and 200 gb hd 1 gb ram for 145.00 dollars.

You can use your other cash on the 1,200 dollar Video card you need to really play any real games these days.

why not set up your pc using the video on the motherboard and don't hook up the dvd burners use a generic cd rom to install.

And the RAM you are using was it new or from another system?

[TDMVPDPOY]

Dude you must live outside the USA all that shit is cheap. There are Vatos on eBay and Craigslist selling 3ghz cpu's with DVD Burners and 200 gb hd 1 gb ram for 145.00 dollars.

You can use your other cash on the 1,200 dollar Video card you need to really play any real games these days.

why not set up your pc using the video on the motherboard and don't hook up the dvd burners use a generic cd rom to install.

And the RAM you are using was it new or from another system?

im convince that the video is dead, since nothin turns onto the monitor....instead of wasting money on a new video card, might as well get them a shit laptop or maybe i can vouch a system from some teletech company whose restocking there internal systems. i try and persuade my friend to upgrade his video card so i can get his 6800gt card....ummm lets see what happens...

hey is it possible to install o/s onto a hdd on my system, but no drivers, then switch it over to the failed comp and use the hdd as main, would it work with the settings? or it is fail method?

[GoGatos.]

Some guy had a 6800gt video card for 40.00 dollars on Craigslist.

[TDMVPDPOY]

what happens when ur mobo has a fan 4pin header, but the fan only has 3pins only...what cable do i need to connect that fan into the mobos header?

ps. i already got 3pin headers = 4pin molex cables, but they are not plugged into the mobo header;they are directly plugged into the psu molex cables.

[mouse]

http://www.wirelessforums.org/alt-comp-hardware/cpu-fan-has-4-wires-mobo-header-has-3-pins-suggestions-34426.html




http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=mWS&q=+mobo+has+a+fan+4+pin+header+fan+only+has+3pins+ only...what+cable+do+i+need+&btnG=Search


http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1159172





http://www.foxconnchannel.com/Upload/Mainboard/200605290212160500_NF5SM2AA-8EKRS2H-PS.jpg

[TDMVPDPOY]

apparently if ur mobo has 4pin fan headers, and the fans you got only has 3pins, you can still plug it in......the extra pin does jackshit apparently if your dont need that function....

[Rack The Trolls!]

Any pics yet?

[DrHouse]

www.anandtech.com

[hater]

I am about to build my pc. it will be a mid to high range. Is around $1500 a good budget for that? Also do I HAVE to install Vista? I really hate Vista, but I also want a powerful PC that will run latest games + software.

[koriwhat]

I am about to build my pc. it will be a mid to high range. Is around $1500 a good budget for that? Also do I HAVE to install Vista? I really hate Vista, but I also want a powerful PC that will run latest games + software.

you can build one hell of a computer for that money but putting anything but linux on it is a waste of time.

go mac cause in the end it simply works.

[hater]

good point on linux. I will do a dual boot, its just that software and games are made for Microshit OS, so windows is a must

mac? what do u mean? buy a mac?

[koriwhat]

good point on linux. I will do a dual boot, its just that software and games are made for Microshit OS, so windows is a must

mac? what do u mean? buy a mac?

i did and i couldn't be happier with my decision.

i hear ya about cross platform apps though... if linux were to offer the CS4 package i would've just built myself a new linux box with the highest specs but seeing as linux only offers shitty gimp and whatnot i decided it was time to finally invest in the machine i always wanted.

linux is definitely top of the tops though and when application companies realize this the market will skyrocket. cheap computers running at optimal speeds running a free OS and taking advantage of quality professional apps is just around the bend folks and i can't wait.

[I. Hustle]

I say get at least 100 gigaramz.

[koriwhat]

I say get at least 100 gigaramz.

gigaramz... haha.

[DannyT]

I like Ubuntu but what versions do you cats run....I guess its just the easiest for me to use

[Def Rowe]

good point on linux. I will do a dual boot, its just that software and games are made for Microshit OS, so windows is a must

mac? what do u mean? buy a mac?

:tu Good idea. That's what I would do.

[baseline bum]

i did and i couldn't be happier with my decision.

i hear ya about cross platform apps though... if linux were to offer the CS4 package i would've just built myself a new linux box with the highest specs but seeing as linux only offers shitty gimp and whatnot i decided it was time to finally invest in the machine i always wanted.

linux is definitely top of the tops though and when application companies realize this the market will skyrocket. cheap computers running at optimal speeds running a free OS and taking advantage of quality professional apps is just around the bend folks and i can't wait.

Are you running KDE4? KDE3 crashed on me so often I gave up using it. I've never tried 4 though.

[koriwhat]

Are you running KDE4? KDE3 crashed on me so often I gave up using it. I've never tried 4 though.

yep, i'm running kde4 on ubuntu 8. i have a p4 3.2ghz with 1gbRam, 200gbHD, and a 256mb nvidia 5500fx vcard. compiz runs great on the computer just in case you were wondering. no hiccups whatsoever. fuck dual booting unless you have 2 OS's on 2 separate HD's. i'm done partitioning drives aswell; i'm boycotting it. ha.

[Def Rowe]

You don't need a separate drive or partition to run a dual boot. You can put both OS's on your C drive. I use XP pro for my DAW, and Vista for everything else. Works like a charm.

[koriwhat]

You don't need a separate drive or partition to run a dual boot. You can put both OS's on your C drive. I use XP pro for my DAW, and Vista for everything else. Works like a charm.

huh? hmm... that's odd. though isn't that kind of redundant to have xp & vista on the same drive, let alone same partition(i've never heard of such a thing).

[baseline bum]

yep, i'm running kde4 on ubuntu 8. i have a p4 3.2ghz with 1gbRam, 200gbHD, and a 256mb nvidia 5500fx vcard. compiz runs great on the computer just in case you were wondering. no hiccups whatsoever. fuck dual booting unless you have 2 OS's on 2 separate HD's. i'm done partitioning drives aswell; i'm boycotting it. ha.

Is ubuntu a src or binary based distro? If I'm going to run a distro, it's gotta kick it old school. :lol

Started on Slackware maybe 10 years ago, and moved on to Linux From Scratch once Slackware refused to put a 2.6 kernel in for so long. Multilib + Xorg7 has made LFS a nightmare though, so Gentoo has been my Linux of choice the last couple of years.

Back on topic, do you see any advantages of KDE4 over 3? Obviously not crashing is a biggie, but maybe that was just a Gentoo problem.

[DannyT]

yeah if I dual boot it wouldn't be for two windows units....but people have their reasons so I can see it but you can dual boot on the same drive...but they will have to be separate partitions

[hater]

ok I decided to stick with XP. Vista just sucks and performs much worse than XP(64 bit not much better). what a piece of trash OS that is :pctoss

[I. Hustle]

How many ramahurtz do you have? Please tell me it's no less than 500,000.

[I. Hustle]

I got the FV687x with the unistar+ and I am thinking of adding the 3.5 kikZ with some popstar but I am not sure how much megaramZ i'll need

[koriwhat]

gigaramz

ramahurtz

megaramZ

hahaha.

[koriwhat]

megaramZ

:lmao

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I use XP pro for my DAW,
what are you running on it?