McCain suspends his campaign to work on bailout

[MannyIsGod]

Before the conservatives come in and bust a nut over "omg mccain loves america so much" please acknowledge this as a purely political move.

I wonder how successful it will be.

[101A]

"Work on Bailout" means "Practice for Debate"

Transparent. Stupid. Desperate.

[MannyIsGod]

Nah I don't think he needs debate practice. I think he's just trying to look like a maverick again in the "i'd rather lose the election than lose the economy" mold. I don't think he has much to lose. He's already behind without many game changers left and its not like he's drawing huge crowds without Palin at his side.

I dunno how much it'll get him but I think its his best move in the past week although thats not saying much.

[Wild Cobra]

Hasn' he said in the past he would rather do what's right rather than win a campaign?

This is proof.

Question is....

What will Obama do? He has asked Obama to join him.

[101A]

Hasn' he said in the past he would rather do what's right rather than win a campaign?

This is proof.

Question is....

What will Obama do? He has asked Obama to join him.

Obama already anounced earlier today that he has stopped campaigning to practice on the debate. McCain, IMO fired a sucker punch.

[MannyIsGod]

Hasn' he said in the past he would rather do what's right rather than win a campaign?

This is proof.

Question is....

What will Obama do? He has asked Obama to join him.


LOL @ this being proof. WTF is he going to go do that will make a difference? Explain this to me. Earlier int he week he wasn't even commiting to being there for the vote but of course now he's going to ride back into DC on a white hourse (LDO) and save the ecnomic day?

This is proof that he needs to do something major in order try to get some momentum back.

Obama saying he called McCain this morning to issue a joint statement, McCain agreed to this later in the day so we may see that later tonight. Interesting.

[spurster]

I heard one news broadcast state that if McCain says no to the bailout, then most House and Senate Republicans will say no. They don't want McCain campaigning against the bailout when they try to explain why they voted for it. Democrats will be reluctant to vote for it, too, if the Republicans vote against it, else Republicans will blame them for big-time government spending.

[101A]

I heard one news broadcast state that if McCain says no to the bailout, then most House and Senate Republicans will say no. They don't want McCain campaigning against the bailout when they try to explain why they voted for it. Democrats will be reluctant to vote for it, too, if the Republicans vote against it, else Republicans will blame them for big-time government spending.

If McCain votes "No"; and the Republcans follow; he will have earned much kudos from me.

THAT would be a serious move. A "brave" political stance. I'll believe when I see it.

[MannyIsGod]

Well if they don't do it, watch as the banks start to fail.

[101A]

Well if they don't do it, watch as the banks start to fail.

:corn:

[MannyIsGod]

It would def be a brave move to stand up against it with a no vote that actually matters. It really depends on what they take a stand on, though. The bailout in general or certain provisions?

[MannyIsGod]

This is fairly interesting to watch. Part of me wants to just get everything over with and let the shit hit the fan. But I'm also really scared that this would indeed mean a great depression type situation here.

[romad_20]

If McCain votes "No"; and the Republcans follow; he will have earned much kudos from me.

THAT would be a serious move. A "brave" political stance. I'll believe when I see it.

It would mean a lot to me, too. He would be standing up to Bush and saying no to bigger government. I don't agree with this bailout one bit. the times will be bad if we don't, but will be much, much worse if we do. Let the market heal itself and stop messing around with it.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Earlier int he week he wasn't even commiting to being there for the vote not one of those two jackasses planned on going to vote for this initially. the media was calling out either one of these idiots to show some sort of leadership. they finally got the message.

[LakeShow]

John McCain

McCain Suspending Campaign, Asks for Debate Delay

Updated 3:26 p.m.
By Michael D. Shear and Robert Barnes
NEW YORK -- Republican presidential nominee John McCain this afternoon said he would suspend his presidential campaign tomorrow to return to Washington and help reach agreement on a plan to solve the financial crisis on Wall Street, and called for a delay of Friday night's presidential debate.

"It has become clear that no consensus has developed to support the Administration's proposal,'' McCain said in a brief statement to reporters. "I do not believe that the plan on the table will pass as it currently stands, and we are running out of time.''

McCain said he is calling on President Bush "to convene a meeting with the leadership from both houses of Congress, including Senator Obama and myself. It is time for both parties to come together to solve this problem."
The campaign also announced that McCain was canceling today's planned appearance on the "Late Show with David Letterman."

The Obama campaign said that the two candidates had spoken by phone this morning about releasing a joint statement on principles to govern the financial sector bailout, but that it had no plans to suspend campaigning.
"At 8:30 this morning, Senator Obama called Senator McCain to ask him if he would join in issuing a joint statement outlining their shared principles and conditions for the Treasury proposal and urging Congress and the White House to act in a bipartisan manner to pass such a proposal," Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement. "At 2:30 this afternoon, Senator McCain returned Senator Obama's call and agreed to join him in issuing such a statement. The two campaigns are currently working together on the details."

Sen. Barack Obama, who is in Florida, will make a statement shortly in response to the McCain announcement.

McCain's remarks follow:

America this week faces an historic crisis in our financial system. We must pass legislation to address this crisis. If we do not, credit will dry up, with devastating consequences for our economy. People will no longer be able to buy homes and their life savings will be at stake. Businesses will not have enough money to pay their employees. If we do not act, ever corner of our country will be impacted. We cannot allow this to happen.

Last Friday, I laid out my proposal and I have since discussed my priorities and concerns with the bill the Administration has put forward. Senator Obama has expressed his priorities and concerns. This morning, I met with a group of economic advisers to talk about the proposal on the table and the steps that we should take going forward. I have also spoken with members of Congress to hear their perspective.

It has become clear that no consensus has developed to support the Administration's proposal. I do not believe that the plan on the table will pass as it currently stands, and we are running out of time.

Tomorrow morning, I will suspend my campaign and return to Washington after speaking at the Clinton Global Initiative. I have spoken to Senator Obama and informed him of my decision and have asked him to join me.

I am calling on the President to convene a meeting with the leadership from both houses of Congress, including Senator Obama and myself. It is time for both parties to come together to solve this problem.

We must meet as Americans, not as Democrats or Republicans, and we must meet until this crisis is resolved. I am directing my campaign to work with the Obama campaign and the commission on presidential debates to delay Friday night's debate until we have taken action to address this crisis.

[Shastafarian]

Ah I get it. Not preparing for debate necessarily. Just trying to lower expectations AND look like a hero.

[KenMcCoy]

reports saying that Dems won't vote "yes" unless mccain does...



Good news. Kos, Josh Marshall, and others have worried that McCain and other Republicans will vote against the bailout and use this to distance themselves from Bush and drive a populist campaign. Well, it looks like the Dems are making the right noises about stopping this. Stephanopoulis is reporting that Dem leadership is telling the White House and Paulson that unless McCain votes "yes", the bailout won't happen. Maybe these guys are learning after all.


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/23/18449/4700/215/607953

[101A]

This is fairly interesting to watch. Part of me wants to just get everything over with and let the shit hit the fan. But I'm also really scared that this would indeed mean a great depression type situation here.

They're throwing those words around so that we support the bailout, IMO.

[cool hand]

"whislte"................TO.

[cool hand]

They're throwing those words around so that we support the bailout, IMO.

yep.

[romad_20]

Can we get Ron Paul back into this?

[Shastafarian]

reports saying that Dems won't vote "yes" unless mccain does...



http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/23/18449/4700/215/607953

yeah I don't see how that could backfire dems

[Wild Cobra]

Originally Posted by MannyIsGod View Post

Well if they don't do it, watch as the banks start to fail.:corn:
I agree. The banking and insurance compainies, in bed with democrats, have had the highest profit margins in the Fortune 500, yet the democrats are always attacking the oil companies, that at best, are about 1/3 the way down on the Fotune 500 profit margins.

Time for a change. Let the friend of democrats fall.

[MannyIsGod]

Nah, I've seen a lot of independent economists say that we nearly lost it last week with AIG and that we still are on the very edge of things spiraling out of control. Part of it is fear mongering by the Bush administartion, but there is some fire behind the smoke as well.

[TacoCabanaFajitas]

Hasn' he said in the past he would rather do what's right rather than win a campaign?

This is proof.

Question is....

What will Obama do? He has asked Obama to join him.

Hey dumbass do your research, Obama initiated talks with McCain on doing this. McCain just ran to the media first

[cool hand]

How the fuck do you suspend a campaign. The Election is on regardless. Looks like the story about Davis is a killer and they are desperate.


another smoke screen.

[Anti.Hero]

Before the conservatives come in and bust a nut over "omg mccain loves america so much" please acknowledge this as a purely political move.


What a profound way of thinking.

Us bubba conservatives never imagined such a treacherous motive.

[MannyIsGod]

I agree. The banking and insurance compainies, in bed with democrats, have had the highest profit margins in the Fortune 500, yet the democrats are always attacking the oil companies, that at best, are about 1/3 the way down on the Fotune 500 profit margins.

Time for a change. Let the friend of democrats fall.

God reading your posts put me so much on tilt because its such partisan bullshit separated from reality by the facts. You're quickly approaching Boutons levels of irrelevance on this board because you keep opening your mouth and all that comes out are republican talking points and some shit that even republican's aren't saying.

[KenMcCoy]

Hey dumbass do your research, Obama initiated talks with McCain on doing this. McCain just ran to the media first

Who gives a shit...there are talks of the bill stalling unless mccain is there. The man rolls up his sleeves and says "I'm going to work" and all the liberals are so cynical.

[Wild Cobra]

Hey dumbass do your research, Obama initiated talks with McCain on doing this. McCain just ran to the media first
You're the dumbass...

Obama only wanted to discuss a joint statement on the subject. Not suspending the campaign.

[PixelPusher]

McCain should get credit for being the first candidate this season to use the term "suspend the campaign" in a non-euphemistic way (as in Romney, Edwards, etc. using it to mean "concede").

[101A]

Regardless of his motives; props to McCain for doing this.

Simply because we'll probably get a much better bill out of it.

Or maybe none at all (although I got my hopes up too high for that, I think)

[Viva Las Espuelas]

God reading your posts put me so much on tilt because its such partisan bullshit separated from reality by the facts. You're quickly approaching Boutons levels of irrelevance on this board because you keep opening your mouth and all that comes out are republican talking points and some shit that even republican's aren't saying.

this part of his statement is definitely true.


The banking and insurance compainies......have had the highest profit margins in the Fortune 500,...............that at best, are about 1/3 the way down on the Fotune 500 profit margins..
the other part, i couldn't say.

[DarkReign]

This is fairly interesting to watch. Part of me wants to just get everything over with and let the shit hit the fan. But I'm also really scared that this would indeed mean a great depression type situation here.

Bring.

It.

On.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

Man people are incapable of saying something is complete politics when its so obvious thats what it is. THE MAN WASN'T EVEN PLANNING ON VOTING ON THIS EARLIER THIS WEEK AND NOW HE'S SUPERMAC am I RIGHT?

[MannyIsGod]

Its painfully obvious how little the media gets the situation. They keep talking about this as if its a loan or a gift of money and about how they should pay it back.

[MannyIsGod]

McCain saying they'll suspend ALL campaign operations including ads. I'm not sure hwo this woujld affect Obama and who would have the edge here if they both did this.

[1369]

please acknowledge this as a purely political move.

http://www.canada-photos.com/data/media/16/grizzly-bear-bath_375.jpg

Hi, I'm a bear and I shit in those woods back behind me.

[KenMcCoy]

:lol

Man people are incapable of saying something is complete politics when its so obvious thats what it is. THE MAN WASN'T EVEN PLANNING ON VOTING ON THIS EARLIER THIS WEEK AND NOW HE'S SUPERMAC am I RIGHT?

Earlier this week both candidates said they were confident that the bill would get passed through without them. Now there are reports saying that some Repubs and some Dems won't sign off on it unless McCain does as well. McCain sucked it up and went.

By the way...I didn't see any reports saying that neither party would sign off unless Obama did. I think it goes to show what other members of the senate think of McCain no matter what party they are from.

[KenMcCoy]

Wow...Obama saying he doesn't want to suspend the campaigns.

[MannyIsGod]

Earlier this week both candidates said they were confident that the bill would get passed through without them. Now there are reports saying that some Repubs and some Dems won't sign off on it unless McCain does as well. McCain sucked it up and went.

By the way...I didn't see any reports saying that neither party would sign off unless Obama did. I think it goes to show what other members of the senate think of McCain no matter what party they are from.

You should have just posted this:

"Hello,

I know jack shit about DC

Have a nice day"

They're voting based on McCain because of the election. Not because of what they think about him.

:lmao @ the thought of the entire senate looking to McCain as some kind of beacon of light.

[MannyIsGod]

http://www.canada-photos.com/data/media/16/grizzly-bear-bath_375.jpg

Hi, I'm a bear and I shit in those woods back behind me.

LOL and yet some people can't do it. Look at the thread!

[101A]

:lol

Man people are incapable of saying something is complete politics when its so obvious thats what it is. THE MAN WASN'T EVEN PLANNING ON VOTING ON THIS EARLIER THIS WEEK AND NOW HE'S SUPERMAC am I RIGHT?


Regardless of his motives; props to McCain for doing this.

Simply because we'll probably get a much better bill out of it.

Or maybe none at all (although I got my hopes up too high for that, I think)

[MannyIsGod]

Wow...Obama saying he doesn't want to suspend the campaigns.

link?

[KenMcCoy]

I think they know he's been right more than he has been wrong.

[MannyIsGod]

Ok fine 101, but intent has to mean SOMETHING.

[KenMcCoy]

link?

Fox news reporting...no link yet.

[MannyIsGod]

I think they know he's been right more than he has been wrong.

:lmao

I'm sorry are you implying that most votes in congress revolve over right and wrong?

[MannyIsGod]

Fox news reporting...no link yet.

LOL oh if its Fox news it must be true then..

[TheMadHatter]

There is absolutely no reason either candidate needs to suspend their campaigns and cancel the debate. They can do both, this is a cheap political stunt by McCain to make him look decisive. It shouldn't surprise anyone since his campaign is run by media people.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

not one of those two jackasses planned on going to vote for this initially. the media was calling out either one of these idiots to show some sort of leadership. they finally got the message.


:lol

Man people are incapable of saying something is complete politics when its so obvious thats what it is. THE MAN WASN'T EVEN PLANNING ON VOTING ON THIS EARLIER THIS WEEK AND NOW HE'S SUPERMAC am I RIGHT?

i assume you were referring to me. replying without quoting the post is so like your self proclaimed "irrelevant" one here, but let me get to the "matter" at hand.

i really don't see me giving mccain any accolades to anybody. i believe i wrote "two jackasses".

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Wow...Obama saying he doesn't want to suspend the campaigns.
i just read he doesn't want to postpone the debate friday.

[MannyIsGod]

i assume you were referring to me. replying without quoting the post is so like your self proclaimed "irrelevant" one here, but let me get to the "matter" at hand.

i really don't see me giving mccain any accolades to anybody. i believe i wrote "two jackasses".

It wasn't in reference to you. You made it clear you thought they were both doing a shitty job of things at the moment.

[101A]

Earlier this week both candidates said they were confident that the bill would get passed through without them. Now there are reports saying that some Repubs and some Dems won't sign off on it unless McCain does as well. McCain sucked it up and went.

By the way...I didn't see any reports saying that neither party would sign off unless Obama did. I think it goes to show what other members of the senate think of McCain no matter what party they are from.

Something like 93% of the population is AGAINST the bailout. A prominent politician actually votes "NO"- and he'll beat anybody that voted for it over the head with that vote.

The entire congress has got to be running scared right about now. Hell, I'll make the ad - pictures of CEO's; followed by their salaries; then a picture of (insert congressman here) with the statment HE?SHE bailed THEM ALL OUT!!!!! Sell that shit to every challenger out there - just give me a .jpg of the candidate you're opposing.

[lurker]

You're the dumbass...

Obama only wanted to discuss a joint statement on the subject. Not suspending the campaign.
Obama calls McCain to propose the joint statement. McCain decides to one up him and starts the plan to suspend his campaign. 6 hours later, he calls Obama to agree to the joint statement. A few minutes after that, McCain releases his statement about suspending his campaign.

Sneaky little bitch, that McCain.

[KenMcCoy]

LOL oh if its Fox news it must be true then..

CNN reporting as well...look man, I work from home a lot and have the TV on...I'm not going to searching for a link 2 mins after they say it.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

It shouldn't surprise anyone since his campaign is run by media people.:lol
how is either campaign run without?

[MannyIsGod]

Something like 93% of the population is AGAINST the bailout. A prominent politician actually votes "NO"- and he'll beat anybody that voted for it over the head with that vote.

The entire congress has got to be running scared right about now. Hell, I'll make the ad - pictures of CEO's; followed by their salaries; then a picture of (insert congressman here) with the statment HE?SHE bailed THEM ALL OUT!!!!! Sell that shit to every challenger out there - just give me a .jpg of the candidate you're opposing.

Fucking exactly. You throw in that republicans don't want McCain having to run opposite of his party's vote and that democrats dont' want to give McCain any fodder to use based on this situation and you have the reason for what is happening in congress.

Of course you could always subscribe to the theory that they al really really really value McCain's opinion on the subject.

[MannyIsGod]

CNN reporting as well...look man, I work from home a lot and have the TV on...I'm not going to searching for a link 2 mins after they say it.

CNN is saying he wants to go ahead with the debate, NOT that he is agaisnt suspending his campaign.

[Findog]

Why should Obama suspend his campaign? As long as he doesn't miss any votes, what the fuck does it matter?

McCain is continuing to campaign by "suspending his campaign."

[DarkReign]

Well, 101, youre very different than most conservatives on this forum. Its my impression that you may be partisan but that you will not be lead blindly, red or blue.

Can you say the same of the resident liberals/conservatives here? I think not.

[KenMcCoy]

CNN is saying he wants to go ahead with the debate, NOT that he is agaisnt suspending his campaign.

go ahead with the debate...i.e. - not suspend the campaign.

[Shastafarian]

What element of his campaign is he suspending exactly?

[MannyIsGod]

I think its a gamble either way for Obama. McCain def put the ball back in his court after fumbling it for the past week. Now Obama has to decide whether or not people will see through this McCain stunt. If they think that people will see through it, then you continue to campaign. If not then you have to meet him in DC ASAP to remove the wind for the sails, but then you've made it look like he's taking the iniative and driving the resolution.

Its a tough spot for Obama.

[KenMcCoy]

Look, I'm not that blind. Every move has a political reason behind it.

[MannyIsGod]

go ahead with the debate...i.e. - not suspend the campaign.

go ahead with the debate IE go ahead with the debate.

[DarkReign]

All of this is immaterial. The bill will be passed and it will spell doom for this economy.

Its another attempt at kicking the can down the road.

The average American NEEDS to get their ass kicked. We've been living on Monopoly credit/money for almost 15 years and somehow this isnt supposed to bite in the ass?

The experience a non-bailout situation would give your average American would guarantee nothing like this would happen again for at least another 70 years. Maybe, just fucking maybe, balancing a budget might become more important than moral issues meant to distract your dumb, ADD ass like abortion or gay marriage.

Cull the herd, I say.

[Findog]

I think its a gamble either way for Obama. McCain def put the ball back in his court after fumbling it for the past week. Now Obama has to decide whether or not people will see through this McCain stunt. If they think that people will see through it, then you continue to campaign. If not then you have to meet him in DC ASAP to remove the wind for the sails, but then you've made it look like he's taking the iniative and driving the resolution.

Its a tough spot for Obama.

Obama called McCain to ask about issuing a joint statement on the economy. McCain agreed and then went to the tv cameras to announce he was suspending his campaign and wanted to postpone the debate. Sorry, this is a dumb idea. Can't people walk and chew gum at the same time?

Move the debate to Washington is you need to, issue a joint statement of principles if you want to act non-partisan, re-focus the debate on the economy if you think that makes sense.

But the idea that these two guys can't take a few hours out of their schedules on a Friday night to debate is just idiotic. Neither of them chairs a committee that has any responsibility for overseeing the bailout.

[MannyIsGod]

BTW, George Bush gets a big fucking F for the way he's handling things right now. Someone tell the asshole he's still president and he can't check out just yet.

[Findog]

"CNN is reporting that the Obama camp called for a joint Obama/McCain message at 8:30 this morning, and then the McCain camp turned around at 2:30 pm with this bombshell. WTF, indeed."

It's worse than that - Obama contacted McCain's camp at 8:30, McCain returned his call at 2:30 agreeing to the move and leaving it to the campaigns to hammer out the details...and then literally 15 minutes later put out his own statement suspending his campaign.

In short, Obama tried to do this in a nonpoliticized way, and McCain agreed, then immediately tried to publicly seize initiative on the issue.

[KenMcCoy]

All of this is immaterial. The bill will be passed and it will spell doom for this economy.

Its another attempt at kicking the can down the road.

The average American NEEDS to get their ass kicked. We've been living on Monopoly credit/money for almost 15 years and somehow this isnt supposed to bite in the ass?

The experience a non-bailout situation would give your average American would guarantee nothing like this would happen again for at least another 70 years. Maybe, just fucking maybe, balancing a budget might become more important than moral issues meant to distract your dumb, ADD ass like abortion or gay marriage.

Cull the herd, I say.

Totally agree...part of me hopes that McCain will go in there and shoot the whole thing down. :depressed that'll never happen with ANY of these politicians though.

[MannyIsGod]

Obama called McCain to ask about issuing a joint statement on the economy. McCain agreed and then went to the tv cameras to announce he was suspending his campaign and wanted to postpone the debate. Sorry, this is a dumb idea. Can't people walk and chew gum at the same time?

Move the debate to Washington is you need to, issue a joint statement of principles if you want to act non-partisan, re-focus the debate on the economy if you think that makes sense.

But the idea that these two guys can't take a few hours out of their schedules on a Friday night to debate is just idiotic. Neither of them chairs a committee that has any responsibility for overseeing the bailout.

I completely agree that what you write is the reality of the situation.



That being said, since when does reality matter in an election? Its all about perception.

[Wild Cobra]

Why should Obama suspend his campaign? As long as he doesn't miss any votes, what the fuck does it matter?

McCain is continuing to campaign by "suspending his campaign."
It's very simple.

Obama cannot focus on the quantity of facts of the bailout issue and vcampaign at the same time. If he votes, they are either uninformed votes, or voting as someone else tells him he should.

[MannyIsGod]

"CNN is reporting that the Obama camp called for a joint Obama/McCain message at 8:30 this morning, and then the McCain camp turned around at 2:30 pm with this bombshell. WTF, indeed."

It's worse than that - Obama contacted McCain's camp at 8:30, McCain returned his call at 2:30 agreeing to the move and leaving it to the campaigns to hammer out the details...and then literally 15 minutes later put out his own statement suspending his campaign.

In short, Obama tried to do this in a nonpoliticized way, and McCain agreed, then immediately tried to publicly seize initiative on the issue.

If Obama harps on thsi it looks even more political. Fuck, it seems as though McCain just upped the ante with this move. I just have no idea how it could play out.

[MannyIsGod]

It's very simple.

Obama cannot focus on the quantity of facts of the bailout issue and vcampaign at the same time. If he votes, they are either uninformed votes, or voting as someone else tells him he should.

:lmao

[Findog]

This is naked political posturing because they both have campaign managers, advertising they've bought and troops doing the ground game thing. As for calling off the debate, if I'm Obama, I offer to move the debate to DC, announce that I am working on a joint statement with McCain, and most importantly, that Presidents need to be able to multitask.

This reeks of desperation by McCain - he's losing and needs another Palin Hail Mary pass to rescue him.

[Findog]

It's very simple.

Obama cannot focus on the quantity of facts of the bailout issue and vcampaign at the same time. If he votes, they are either uninformed votes, or voting as someone else tells him he should.

Give me a break - he can't read briefing books on his plane?

[Findog]

If Obama harps on thsi it looks even more political. Fuck, it seems as though McCain just upped the ante with this move. I just have no idea how it could play out.

Obama and his advisors are pretty smart guys. They'll strike the right tone.

[Wild Cobra]

BTW, George Bush gets a big fucking F for the way he's handling things right now. Someone tell the asshole he's still president and he can't check out just yet.
Keep up Manny.

President Bush wanted to fix this back in 2003. His decisions now, right or wrong, will be what he believes is best. I just hope it isn't the wrong decision.

[MannyIsGod]

Keep up Manny.

President Bush wanted to fix this back in 2003. His decisions now, right or wrong, will be what he believes is best. I just hope it isn't the wrong decision.

:lmao

[LakeShow]

This reeks of desperation by McCain - he's losing and needs another Palin Hail Mary pass to rescue him.

[101A]

All of this is immaterial. The bill will be passed and it will spell doom for this economy.

Its another attempt at kicking the can down the road.

The average American NEEDS to get their ass kicked. We've been living on Monopoly credit/money for almost 15 years and somehow this isnt supposed to bite in the ass?

The experience a non-bailout situation would give your average American would guarantee nothing like this would happen again for at least another 70 years. Maybe, just fucking maybe, balancing a budget might become more important than moral issues meant to distract your dumb, ADD ass like abortion or gay marriage.

Cull the herd, I say.

Two cans of paint, baby.

You spray the Black Checks

I'll spray the Red X's

[KenMcCoy]

This is naked political posturing because they both have campaign managers, advertising they've bought and troops doing the ground game thing. As for calling off the debate, if I'm Obama, I offer to move the debate to DC, announce that I am working on a joint statement with McCain, and most importantly, that Presidents need to be able to multitask.

This reeks of desperation by McCain - he's losing and needs another Palin Hail Mary pass to rescue him.

Whatever agency it is that runs the debates said that the debate is still scheduled and can't be moved to a different venue (on FOX in case anyone has an issue with that)

[Wild Cobra]

Give me a break - he can't read briefing books on his plane?
If you say so.

Written by who, at what time delay?

How much will he understand for each vote of amendments.

Oh wait...

You cannot vote by proxy in the senate!

I guess Obama would just be irrelavant in the most important post election issue in years!

He will surely lose after the McCain campaign exploits this!

[RandomGuy]

President Bush wanted to fix this back in 2003.

Source?

Do also tell me how he didn't get that accomplished with years and GOP control of both houses of congress, if it was really a priority for him.

He was sayin as recently as a few months ago that government regulation wasn't the solution.

Go on. Step up, I want to see what you base this statement on.

[Findog]

Whatever agency it is that runs the debates said that the debate is still scheduled and can't be moved to a different venue (on FOX in case anyone has an issue with that)


Yeah, it can't be moved to DC. Whatever. Why not?

[Findog]

If you say so.

Written by who, at what time delay?

How much will he understand for each vote of amendments.

Oh wait...

You cannot vote by proxy in the senate!

I guess Obama would just be irrelavant in the most important post election issue in years!

He will surely lose after the McCain campaign exploits this!

You do realize we have this new technology called the internet, cell phones, video linkups, etc, right? He only has to be physically present to vote.

[spurster]

Obama probably doesn't want to suspend because he has a lot of new shit being said about him besides trying to counter the Muslim rumor and the raising-everybody's-taxes lie.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/us/politics/24groups.html?hp

McCain going to Washington will be interesting. Will he save us or will he be a sideshow? Will Obama follow McCain or will he stay above the fray (or aloof) outside DC? One thing for certain is that BushCo has lost his influence.

[KenMcCoy]

Yeah, it can't be moved to DC. Whatever. Why not?

Apparently it is some other organization that runs the debates, not the campaigns.

[Wild Cobra]

Source?

I already addressed that in a different thread.



Do also tell me how he didn't get that accomplished with years and GOP control of both houses of congress, if it was really a priority for him.

I don't know the details. It could be lack of republican support, or senate democrat filibuster.



He was sayin as recently as a few months ago that government regulation wasn't the solution.

It was government regulation to make bad loans in the interest of community development that caused this, along with an SEC rule change last summer.

Please find and refer to the correct thread for farther questions to me on the matter.

[KenMcCoy]

Source?

Do also tell me how he didn't get that accomplished with years and GOP control of both houses of congress, if it was really a priority for him.

He was sayin as recently as a few months ago that government regulation wasn't the solution.

Go on. Step up, I want to see what you base this statement on.



The Bush administration and members of Congress last summer joined in a call for tougher regulation of the giant investment firms following a purge of top management at Freddie Mac. The Freddie Mac board removed former CEO Leland Brendsel and others for alleged failure to adequately manage the company's earnings restatement for the last three years. According to a subsequent company report, the company flouted accounting rules to present Wall Street a misleadingly smooth picture of earnings growth.


http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/trade/2003-10-20-freddie-fannie_x.htm

Thats a 2003 article so shouldn't be too much revisionist history.

[Wild Cobra]

You do realize we have this new technology called the internet, cell phones, video linkups, etc, right? He only has to be physically present to vote.
My God man...

Have you ever followed a senate proceeding on C-Span-2? It is rather time consuming and information intensive. There is no way he can do the same quality job without physically being there.

Watch C-Span-2 sometime while the senate is in session.

[101A]

Obama probably doesn't want to suspend because he has a lot of new shit being said about him besides trying to counter the Muslim rumor and the raising-everybody's-taxes lie.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/us/politics/24groups.html?hp

McCain going to Washington will be interesting. Will he save us or will he be a sideshow? Will Obama follow McCain or will he stay above the fray (or aloof) outside DC? One thing for certain is that BushCo has lost his influence.

Obama has to go; otherwise those "present" votes are going to come up again (even though those are apparently very common in Illinois politics).

[KenMcCoy]

Yeah, it can't be moved to DC. Whatever. Why not?


The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) was established in 1987 to ensure that debates, as a permanent part of every general election, provide the best possible information to viewers and listeners. Its primary purpose is to sponsor and produce debates for the United States presidential and vice presidential candidates and to undertake research and educational activities relating to the debates. The organization, which is a nonprofit, nonpartisan, 501(c)(3) corporation, sponsored all the presidential debates in 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000 and 2004.


http://www.debates.org/

[TheProfessor]

This is just surreal.

[RandomGuy]

I already addressed that in a different thread.


I don't know the details. It could be lack of republican support, or senate democrat filibuster.


It was government regulation to make bad loans in the interest of community development that caused this, along with an SEC rule change last summer.

Please find and refer to the correct thread for farther questions to me on the matter.

SEC rule change last summer is what caused this?

How long have these mortgages been out there?

[Findog]

Apparently it is some other organization that runs the debates, not the campaigns.

The Commission on Presidential Debates is not going to insist on holding the debate in Oxford, MS if both campaigns agree to move it to DC.

[Findog]

My God man...

Have you ever followed a senate proceeding on C-Span-2? It is rather time consuming and information intensive. There is no way he can do the same quality job without physically being there.

Watch C-Span-2 sometime while the senate is in session.

So he can't synthesize and process information from a remote location? He needs his sense of smell, taste and touch in order to cast an informed vote?

You're really reaching here.

[KenMcCoy]

The Commission on Presidential Debates is not going to insist on holding the debate in Oxford, MS if both campaigns agree to move it to DC.

I was watching fox, they had the head of the commission on...she said the debate was going to be on Friday in MS no matter what. Thats what I heard and thats what I typed. I'm not arguing with you, i'm just letting people know what is going on in case they aren't by a tv.

[RandomGuy]

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/trade/2003-10-20-freddie-fannie_x.htm

Thats a 2003 article so shouldn't be too much revisionist history.

Except that the call for tougher regulation of the two was to counter the restatement of earnings, not stop buying shitty mortgages.

FAIL.

[DarkReign]

Two cans of paint, baby.

You spray the Black Checks

I'll spray the Red X's

:tu

[RandomGuy]

Except that the call for tougher regulation of the two was to counter the restatement of earnings, not stop buying shitty mortgages.

FAIL.

You might recall that this followed shortly on the heels of Enron, Worldcom, etc.

This was around the time Peekaboo (PCAOB) was established in order to take charge of the setting of accounting standards.

[Wild Cobra]

SEC rule change last summer is what caused this?

How long have these mortgages been out there?

Please find and refer to the correct thread for farther questions to me on the matter.

[KenMcCoy]

Except that the call for tougher regulation of the two was to counter the restatement of earnings, not stop buying shitty mortgages.

FAIL.

Why do you think they went under?? Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) allowed them to recognize the highest payment of option ARMs (the principle and interest payment amount) when they were only receiving the lowest monthly payment on option ARMs (the below interest, negative amortization amount).

*Edit - maybe I linked the wrong article, but this has been discussed ad infinitum in this forum.

[DarkReign]

I was watching fox, they had the head of the commission on...she said the debate was going to be on Friday in MS no matter what. Thats what I heard and thats what I typed. I'm not arguing with you, i'm just letting people know what is going on in case they aren't by a tv.

I, for one, appreciate it. I hope the debate stays on Friday (regardless of location).

But if it were moved, I'd understand. They are Senators, they should vote on the single greatest financial risk undertaken by the American taxpayer in US history.

[Indazone]

That is BS

McCain is on the ropes now. Obama has put up a 10 pt lead. McCain knows that everything hinges on the economy as to who gets elected.

[Wild Cobra]

So he can't synthesize and process information from a remote location? He needs his sense of smell, taste and touch in order to cast an informed vote?

You're really reaching here.
No I'm not, think about it. Friday will be an all day session in the senate. There will be no designated time for the votes. It could be done in the early afternoon, or late evening, or even past midnight and beyond.

You obviously don't know how the senate works.

Running continual speeches, debates, information throughout the session, it will be impossible to focus on two things. Even is the debate is rescheduled, there is no way to know if the senate session will finish in time.

This is classic McCain. Doing what he believes is right. I'm starting to respect him even more, even though I disagree with many of his ideas.

[Findog]

No I'm not, think about it. Friday will be an all day session in the senate. There will be no designated time for the votes. It could be done in the early afternoon, or late evening, or even past midnight and beyond.

You obviously don't know how the senate works.

Running continual speeches, debates, information throughout the session, it will be impossible to focus on two things. Even is the debate is rescheduled, there is no way to know if the senate session will finish in time.

This is classic McCain. Doing what he believes is right. I'm starting to respect him even more, even though I disagree with many of his ideas.

Neither one of them chairs a committee handling the bailout. This is just posturing by McCain.

[Supergirl]

and wtf is "Suspending is campaign" supposed to mean, considering at this point in both campaigns much of the work is done by his staffers and the RNC anyway? Will he stop running ads telling us lies? Stop running negative attack ads again Obama? Or just stop going around offering really shitty, poorly attended stump speeches? Cause that last thing hardly seems like much of a sacrifice.

[Wild Cobra]

Listening to Obama right now, he isn't saying anything important.

[Spurminator]

BTW, George Bush gets a big fucking F for the way he's handling things right now. Someone tell the asshole he's still president and he can't check out just yet.


Dang Manny, give the guy a break. You ever been given a pressing assignment at 4:30 when you're supposed to get out of the office at 5:00? That shit sucks, man.

[RandomGuy]

I already addressed that in a different thread.


I don't know the details. It could be lack of republican support, or senate democrat filibuster.


It was government regulation to make bad loans in the interest of community development that caused this, along with an SEC rule change last summer.

Please find and refer to the correct thread for farther questions to me on the matter.

Your problem is that you fail to acknowledge my superior knowledge of financial matters, if I may paraphrase one of your posts from another thread.

[KenMcCoy]

and wtf is "Suspending is campaign" supposed to mean, considering at this point in both campaigns much of the work is done by his staffers and the RNC anyway? Will he stop running ads telling us lies? Stop running negative attack ads again Obama? Or just stop going around offering really shitty, poorly attended stump speeches? Cause that last thing hardly seems like much of a sacrifice.

Yes supergirl...he is also cancelling all of his appearances with Chris Rock as well.

[Wild Cobra]

and wtf is "Suspending is campaign" supposed to mean, considering at this point in both campaigns much of the work is done by his staffers and the RNC anyway? Will he stop running ads telling us lies? Stop running negative attack ads again Obama? Or just stop going around offering really shitty, poorly attended stump speeches? Cause that last thing hardly seems like much of a sacrifice.
Suspending is not quitting. McCain simply is going to stop campaigning for at least Friday while he actually does what he was elected for as a senator. I guess Obama doesn't take his job seriously.

McCain will resume campaigning. He simply wants to focus only on the current crisis. Obama is still more concerned about winning rather than what's right.

[Findog]

Listening to Obama right now, he isn't saying anything important.

Glad to have such an unbiased observer fill us in.

[Wild Cobra]

Your problem is that you fail to acknowledge my superior knowledge of financial matters, if I may paraphrase one of your posts from another thread.
Please stay on the thread topic. It's growing fast, and doesn't need your vindictive trollish bullshit.


Please find and refer to the correct thread for farther questions to me on the matter.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

they're talking to obamessiah now and he's still bringing up a stimulus package. that it doesn't need to be in this bailout.

stimulus package?!
:bang

[RandomGuy]

Why do you think they went under?? Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) allowed them to recognize the highest payment of option ARMs (the principle and interest payment amount) when they were only receiving the lowest monthly payment on option ARMs (the below interest, negative amortization amount).

*Edit - maybe I linked the wrong article, but this has been discussed ad infinitum in this forum.

They didn't go under because of this. They went under because they bought shitty debt.

People have been pointing out that these ARMs and general loan practices in the run up to this have been a disaster waiting to happen for years.

Bush, or more likely, Cheney ignored this information because of his enduring faith in "the market" to sort this out and that there didn't need to be any regulation of lending practices.

[RandomGuy]

Please stay on the thread topic. It's growing fast, and doesn't need your vindictive trollish bullshit.

Then provide the link to the thread, asshole.

[Spurminator]

McCain will resume campaigning. He simply wants to focus only on the current crisis. Obama is still more concerned about winning rather than what's right.

BAA-AA-AA-AA-AA-AA

[clambake]

mccain is not a multi-tasker. it's too much to ask of a man his age. we need a president that can handle more than one thing at a time.

[JoeChalupa]

Obama winning is what is right for America!!!

Yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

[Shastafarian]

they're talking to obamessiah now and he's still bringing up a stimulus package. that it doesn't need to be in this bailout.

stimulus package?!
:bang

Oh jesus christ. Someone asked him a question and he said he called Pelosi and Reid and told them not to include any of the democratic pet projects they wanted to include in the deal.

[Wild Cobra]

Then provide the link to the thread, asshole.
I don't remember the link.

Do your own homework.

[DarkReign]

BAA-AA-AA-AA-AA-AA

http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/11409/Lemmings_lkugiutry_qjgenth.jpg

[KenMcCoy]

Obama response on CNN - Debate is more important than ever. President should be able to do more than one thing at a time.

[KenMcCoy]

On CNN - Dem Senate Majority leader asked that McCain let them know what he would do.

[clambake]

Obama response on CNN - Debate is more important than ever. President should be able to do more than one thing at a time.

you're late.

[Shastafarian]

Republican pundit: This is a great move by a great leader. Obama should be ashamed for not suspending his campaign.

Democratic pundit: This is just a political ploy by McCain and he should be ashamed. Obama made a brilliant move here to call McCain on this and his supposed lack of multi-tasking.

[KenMcCoy]

McCain is screwed on this one. If he supports it he's not a reformer. If he shoots it down and anything fucks up it's on him...

[KenMcCoy]

you're late.

Was outside smoking...paused the tv.

[JoeChalupa]

John needs to call Sarah in quick!!!

[Shastafarian]

Was outside smoking...paused the tv.

yeaaaaa

http://www.popular-pics.com/PPImages/Baby_Smoke_Joint.jpg

[clambake]

McCain is screwed on this one. If he supports it he's not a reformer. If he shoots it down and anything fucks up it's on him...

he readily admits not knowing economics. how could it all land on either of them fairly?

[Wild Cobra]

Republican pundit: This is a great move by a great leader. Obama should be ashamed for not suspending his campaign.

Democratic pundit: This is just a political ploy by McCain and he should be ashamed. Obama made a brilliant move here to call McCain on this and his supposed lack of multi-tasking.
Realist: These people should do what they are paid for during a crisis. The debate can be rescheduled.

[clambake]

Was outside smoking...paused the tv.

thank you for smoking. do you like alcohol?

[JoeChalupa]

Damn, Tim Russert would love this stuff!!!!!

[clambake]

Realist: These people should do what they are paid for during a crisis. The debate can be rescheduled.

how does this improve mccains multi-tasking skills?

[JoeChalupa]

Realist: These people should do what they are paid for during a crisis. The debate can be rescheduled.

They should show they can deal with a crisis on one hand and debate with the other.

[Anti.Hero]

"McCain is trying to stall"

Hasn't Obama been hiding from McTownhall for the last 3 months?

[Shastafarian]

Realist: These people should do what they are paid for during a crisis. The debate can be rescheduled.

Kinda sounds more like a republican pundit to me.

[KenMcCoy]

They should show they can deal with a crisis on one hand and debate with the other.

Yeah...because I remember Herbert Hoover did exactly that in 1929.

[hitmanyr2k]

"McCain is trying to stall"

Hasn't Obama been hiding from McTownhall for the last 3 months?

Obama was smart not to take McCain up on his townhall meetings. That would have just knocked him off his schedule and eaten up his time to campaign in other states.

[clambake]

Yeah...because I remember Herbert Hoover did exactly that in 1929.

:lmao deflection to the rescue!!!!

[JoeChalupa]

Yeah...because I remember Herbert Hoover did exactly that in 1929.

That was then, this is NOW!!!

[fyatuk]

They should show they can deal with a crisis on one hand and debate with the other.

Personally, since we're talking about a trillion $'s here, I'd rather them focus on that and get back to the campaign afterwards.

It's a very big deal. If this was last year and it was just the small fries, then it wouldn't make sense to interrupt the campaign season, but this is definitely a different beast.

Besides, frankly, I don't care the hidden reason or anything. McCain, Obama, and Biden are all STILL being paid to participate and vote in Senate proceedings. I expect them to be there, listening to the debate, and voting on important legislation whether it's campaign season or not. Yes, it's an idealistic expectation, but I do believe it's what we deserve.

[clambake]

Personally, since we're talking about a trillion $'s here, I'd rather them focus on that and get back to the campaign afterwards.

send his economic advisers, john would just be in the way.

[KenMcCoy]

That was then, this is NOW!!!

FDR also had a foreign policy debate on dec. 7 1941.
JFK held a debate when the russians put nukes in cuba

[clambake]

FDR also had a foreign policy debate on dec. 7 1941.
JFK held a debate when the russians put nukes in cuba

oooh nooooo!!!!!!! imminent war on friday!!!!!!

[DarkReign]

thank you for smoking. do you like alcohol?

Does it make him/her less of a person if h/she does?

I kinda forgot that about you. Are you a nun?

[Indazone]

For McCain a strategic announcement. Obama has to respond in kind because if Obama goes on the stump, it could reflect badly on him in light of this financial crisis. My guess is that Obama also suspends his campaign.

[JoeChalupa]

Personally, since we're talking about a trillion $'s here, I'd rather them focus on that and get back to the campaign afterwards.

It's a very big deal. If this was last year and it was just the small fries, then it wouldn't make sense to interrupt the campaign season, but this is definitely a different beast.

Besides, frankly, I don't care the hidden reason or anything. McCain, Obama, and Biden are all STILL being paid to participate and vote in Senate proceedings. I expect them to be there, listening to the debate, and voting on important legislation whether it's campaign season or not. Yes, it's an idealistic expectation, but I do believe it's what we deserve.

I hear ya but I don't put nothing past politicians and this just may be another political move by McCain's advisors so can get his thoughts together since he's tanking in the polls. Don't buy the whole "I'd rather lose an election.." line. He's a Navy man remember.

[KenMcCoy]

oooh nooooo!!!!!!! imminent war on friday!!!!!!

Obama's economic advisor, Warren Buffet - "This is the financial Pearl Harbor."

[Viva Las Espuelas]

send his economic advisers, john would just be in the way.
and obamessiah is an economic genius? :lol

[clambake]

Does it make him/her less of a person if h/she does?

I kinda forgot that about you. Are you a nun?

:lol no. i own tobacco and alcohol stocks. so, everyone drink up!

[hitmanyr2k]

Don't buy the whole "I'd rather lose an election.." line. He's a Navy man remember.

That line went out the window the moment he chose a store mannequin named Sarah Palin for VP.

[01.20.09]

If he can't squeeze out two hours to tell the country what he'll do as President, there's something more going on than the economy.

[DarkReign]

Wow.....great quote there in your sig, 01.20.09

Thats just....well, its hilarious to be honest.

[lurker]

Letterman mocks McCain cancellation
EXCLUSIVE: LETTERMAN MOCKS MCCAIN CANCELLATION
Wed Sep 24 2008 17:41:58 ET

David Letterman tells audience that McCain called him today to tell him he had to rush back to DC to deal with the economy.

Then in the middle of the taping Dave got word that McCain was, in fact just down the street being interviewed by Katie Couric. Dave even cut over to the live video of the interview, and said, "Hey Senator, can I give you a ride home?"

Earlier in the show, Dave kept saying, "You don't suspend your campaign. This doesn't smell right. This isn't the way a tested hero behaves." And he joked: "I think someone's putting something in his metamucil."

"He can't run the campaign because the economy is cratering? Fine, put in your second string quarterback, Sara Palin. Where is she?"

"What are you going to do if you're elected and things get tough? Suspend being president? We've got a guy like that now!"

lol

[boutons_]

"Hasn't Obama been hiding from McTownhall for the last 3 months?"

hiding? no. he has been mostly ahead in the polls, and has really jumped as McFumble stumbles through the financial crisis, attacking SEC head, fundamentals are sound. McLoser is the challenger trying to land some punches, HUSSEIN is the defender, pulling back. he's not hiding.

pitbull bitch hiding, McWorse is hiding, not HUSSEIN

If McSenile is judged to be the loser Friday a night, or even a tie, then he will regret tauting HUSSEIN. A tie is a win for HUSSEIN, McSenile MUST be judged to be the clear winner, or he's a loser.

debating/townhalls have NOTHING to do with being President. Show business bullshit

[Shastafarian]

Reid, McCain speak

A Democratic source says Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid just spoke to John McCain today, and told him on the phone that it "wouldn't be helpful" for him to return to Washington.

Reid spokesman Jim Manley tells Politico's Martin Kady II that McCain called Reid about an hour ago, and said “Harry, I hope we can sit down together, and act quickly.” Reid simply “read back to him his statement” from earlier in the day saying it wouldn’t be helpful. McCain also called Pelosi to give her a heads-up.

Also:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, in a statement that would be unlikely to go out without the Obama campaign's approval, dismisses McCain's suspension:

This is a critical time for our country. While I appreciate that both candidates have signaled their willingness to help, Congress and the Administration have a process in place to reach a solution to this unprecedented financial crisis.

I understand that the candidates are putting together a joint statement at Senator Obama’s suggestion. But it would not be helpful at this time to have them come back during these negotiations and risk injecting presidential politics into this process or distract important talks about the future of our nation’s economy. If that changes, we will call upon them. We need leadership; not a campaign photo op.

If there were ever a time for both candidates to hold a debate before the American people about this serious challenge, it is now.

[2centsworth]

McCain wants to be prepared for the debate, but also wants to put maximum effort into the bailout. He's trying to force Obama's hand here.

Obama needs to delay the debate and work on resolving what should be a non-partisan problem.

Obama loses here if he puts politics over the 9/11 of the financial markets.

[Yonivore]

Reid, McCain speak

A Democratic source says Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid just spoke to John McCain today, and told him on the phone that it "wouldn't be helpful" for him to return to Washington.
Remember yesterday? Ah, sweet sweet memories of 24 hours past. How outrageously young we were, and how foolishly alive.

But that's in the past. Those days, like the Road Warrior, now live only... in our memories.

The Democrats, only caring about covering their asses politically and not giving a rat's ass about whether the economy went into a depression or not (upside? depressions breed socialists like cockroaches), announced that without the strong support and vote of John McCain personally, they would refuse to vote in favor of any bailout and the bill would be dead (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/stephanopoulo-4.html).

So crucial was McCain that Reid put out the word McCain would vote for the bailout (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/23/harry-reid-mccains-voting-for-the-bailout/), in order to get Republicans on board with it. (Lindsey Graham floated a similar rumor -- untrue, as it turns out -- that McCain was on board with the Gang of 20 to try to garner more support.)

But a lot can happen in 24 hours. Specifically, our Brave Leader Obama has decided he doesn't want to show up for his actual job organizing the community of the US Senate.

And so we turn the page.

Now that Barack Obama has decided his fundraising is more important than dealing with the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/reid-to-mccain.html), Harry Reid doesn't want McCain (or Obama) around.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This is fairly interesting to watch. Part of me wants to just get everything over with and let the shit hit the fan. But I'm also really scared that this would indeed mean a great depression type situation here.

We're going to go through a Great Depression, a correction of that scale is needed to get us out of the credit economy we've got going on right now.

No amount of money printing and/or Fed bailouts is going to fix that, just prolong the day of reckoning.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Reid, McCain speak

A Democratic source says Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid just spoke to John McCain today, and told him on the phone that it "wouldn't be helpful" for him to return to Washington.

Reid spokesman Jim Manley tells Politico's Martin Kady II that McCain called Reid about an hour ago, and said “Harry, I hope we can sit down together, and act quickly.” Reid simply “read back to him his statement” from earlier in the day saying it wouldn’t be helpful. McCain also called Pelosi to give her a heads-up.

Also:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, in a statement that would be unlikely to go out without the Obama campaign's approval, dismisses McCain's suspension:

This is a critical time for our country. While I appreciate that both candidates have signaled their willingness to help, Congress and the Administration have a process in place to reach a solution to this unprecedented financial crisis.

I understand that the candidates are putting together a joint statement at Senator Obama’s suggestion. But it would not be helpful at this time to have them come back during these negotiations and risk injecting presidential politics into this process or distract important talks about the future of our nation’s economy. If that changes, we will call upon them. We need leadership; not a campaign photo op.

If there were ever a time for both candidates to hold a debate before the American people about this serious challenge, it is now.


No one gives a shit what the liberal propaganda is. The fact is that McCain is the de facto leader of the Republican national party at this point as their presidential candidate.

No one in Congress with an (R) next to their name is going to do shit without McCain's blessing. He needs to be there to help form a consensus on the right one way or another.

Reid and Obama need to quit being such tools about this.

[KenMcCoy]

Reid, McCain speak

A Democratic source says Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid just spoke to John McCain today, and told him on the phone that it "wouldn't be helpful" for him to return to Washington.

Reid spokesman Jim Manley tells Politico's Martin Kady II that McCain called Reid about an hour ago, and said “Harry, I hope we can sit down together, and act quickly.” Reid simply “read back to him his statement” from earlier in the day saying it wouldn’t be helpful. McCain also called Pelosi to give her a heads-up.

Also:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, in a statement that would be unlikely to go out without the Obama campaign's approval, dismisses McCain's suspension:

This is a critical time for our country. While I appreciate that both candidates have signaled their willingness to help, Congress and the Administration have a process in place to reach a solution to this unprecedented financial crisis.

I understand that the candidates are putting together a joint statement at Senator Obama’s suggestion. But it would not be helpful at this time to have them come back during these negotiations and risk injecting presidential politics into this process or distract important talks about the future of our nation’s economy. If that changes, we will call upon them. We need leadership; not a campaign photo op.

If there were ever a time for both candidates to hold a debate before the American people about this serious challenge, it is now.

Wow...this is weird. I saw him on CNN saying exactly the opposite earlier. This is my post from page 5...this was at about 4:00 pm cst


On CNN - Dem Senate Majority leader asked that McCain let them know what he would do.

[Mr. Peabody]

Now that Barack Obama has decided his fundraising is more important than dealing with the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/reid-to-mccain.html), Harry Reid doesn't want McCain (or Obama) around.

Yeah McCain was concerned about the economic crisis throughout the day....:rolleyes


From NBC's Domenico Montanaro and Adam Aigner-Treworgy

The McCain campaign put out a statement saying, in part, "Senator Obama phoned Senator McCain at 8:30 am this morning but did not reach him. The topic of Senator Obama’s call to Senator McCain was never discussed. Senator McCain was meeting with economic advisers and talking to leaders in Congress throughout the day prior to calling Senator Obama."

Yet, McCain wasn't all "meeting with economic advisers and talking to leaders in Congress throughout the day prior to calling Senator Obama."

McCain also met with the moneyed former Clinton fundraiser Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, who recently threw her support to McCain.

Obviously this is a man who is so concerned with the economic crisis that he is focusing only on that issue right now...:rolleyes:bang:rolleyes

[Yonivore]

Yeah McCain was concerned about the economic crisis throughout the day....:rolleyes

Obviously this is a man who is so concerned with the economic crisis that he is focusing only on that issue right now...:rolleyes:bang:rolleyes
Picking nits...tell me if he's still campaigning tomorrow.

[Shastafarian]

Wow...this is weird. I saw him on CNN saying exactly the opposite earlier. This is my post from page 5...this was at about 4:00 pm cst

Yeah Reid made a mistake doing this I think. Though he never asked McCain to halt everything and fly on down to DC. Again I don't think this is necessary. McCain can continue to campaign and still try and help with the crisis.

[JoeChalupa]

McCain will not stop his campaign. Everything he says and does from now until election day IS part of his campaign whether he wants to acknowledge it or not. He knows damn well that anything and everything he or Obama say will be used for or against them regardless of whether or not the campaign is "suspended" or not.

[ElNono]

Picking nits...tell me if he's still campaigning tomorrow.

But isn't the foundation of the economy strong? :bang

[Yonivore]

McCain will not stop his campaign. Everything he says and does from now until election day IS part of his campaign whether he wants to acknowledge it or not. He knows damn well that anything and everything he or Obama say will be used for or against them regardless of whether or not the campaign is "suspended" or not.
Kind of like when he supported a hugely unpopular surge strategy that worked? Eh, Joe?

Maybe his strategy is as simple as putting country before self. Maybe he means it when he says, "I'd rather lose an election than lose a war." Maybe he's going to lead by example instead of rhetoric.

I think Obama is pooping in his Post Toasties by not joining the Congress (where he and McCain happen to be employed) in order to address this crisis. He's saying, "My campaign is more important than solving the greatest financial crisis since 1929."

[Yonivore]

But isn't the foundation of the economy strong? :bang
I believe it is...we're still bigger than the next 4 economies of the world, combined.

Personallly, I say let the banks fail. Fuck 'em all...let's reset this beast and move forward.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe he means it when he says, "I'd rather lose an election than lose a war."The war on bailouts?

[Wild Cobra]

I believe it is...we're still bigger than the next 4 economies of the world, combined.

Personallly, I say let the banks fail. Fuck 'em all...let's reset this beast and move forward.
I agree. The FUNDAMENTALS are good. We still have low unemployment, low inflation even with the dollar dropping, etc. There are natural cycles, but nothing to indicate that the FUNDAMENTALS are bad!

Let the bad part of the economy fail, the we can rebuild from scratch. The rest of it is strong enough unless democrats keep up the message of doom-and-gloom, and people buy into it.

I, for one, refuse to participate in a recession. I will still work and buy goods.

[ElNono]

I agree. The FUNDAMENTALS are good. We still have low unemployment, low inflation even with the dollar dropping, etc. There are natural cycles, but nothing to indicate that the FUNDAMENTALS are bad!

Let the bad part of the economy fail, the we can rebuild from scratch. The rest of it is strong enough unless democrats keep up the message of doom-and-gloom, and people buy into it.

I, for one, refuse to participate in a recession. I will still work and buy goods.

If Paulson would listen to you and Yoni...

[Cant_Be_Faded]

McCain is attempting to checkmate Obama. Trying to put him in a damned if you do damned if you don't position. This may be it.

If only Obama had some balls....I'd advise him to tell McCain 'fuck off this is the time america needs debate from the two people who are running to be the president'
Obama can insist on debating, and pull the Keating Five ace he has been holding on and I've been insisting he pull out for the bajillionth time...

If McCain refuses, Obama uses the entire debate session as a giant one man show campaign ad.

Could work entirely against him or entirely for him, depending on his choice of words.

[ducks]

if john refuses
the tv slots will be filled up with re-runs

[boutons_]

"democrats keep up the message of doom-and-gloom,"

Capo Paulson, aka Goldman's man in DC, is extorting $1T with his g-a-d, not the Dems.

[ploto]

If I am Obama I show up for the debate as scheduled, and if McCain forfeits, so be it.

McCain is not suspending his campaign. He may cancel some trips but he is still campaigning.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Obama must not allow himself to play by the rules McCain is trying to confine his actions to.

At first glance, Obama is in the weaker position by this, but there has to be some way to reverse this, to shift it. Basically, Obama has to pull a stunt. But the debate must go on. This is the PERFECT opportunity to bust out with the Keating Five meme.....I doubt if Obama is republican-esque enough in his campaigning to actually use it, but if he wants to just WIN this fucking thing, then this is the perfect storm to crush McCain.
The only problem is getting to the debate unscathed.

Can you seriously imagine Obama pushing McCain over and over again about the Keating Five in a smart ass way?

And can you seriously imagine McCain not getting flustered and pissed off if he is pushed like that?

And can you seriously imagine the reaction of the public when that old fart goes awol on national television?
It's the perfect storm.

[Findog]

^ It's coming out that Obama called McCain privately to work out a joint statement on what they agreed the bailout provisions should contain. Then McCain spent 6 hours huddling with his aides over how to turn this to their political advantage. So they called him back and said, sure, that's fine, then ran to the tv cameras to announce the campaign suspension. I know what McCain is trying to do, and it won't work: Put Obama in a vise by either having him follow McCain's lead or look partisan by continuing his campaign. I don't think it will work.

[Wild Cobra]

"democrats keep up the message of doom-and-gloom,"

Capo Paulson, aka Goldman's man in DC, is extorting $1T with his g-a-d, not the Dems.
So? My partisanship is limited to anti-democrat. I dislike many of the republicans too you know. I don't agree with all of president Bush's ideas or appointment. I am tired of you thinking I am pro-republican.

Paulson may have been appoited by president Bush, but he was probably part of the problem. He was CEO at Goldman Sachs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_Sachs)! I'll bet he wants a quick solution because he doesn't want to be investigated.

I already pay enough in taxes. I say everyone that wants to participate in this bailout to do just that. Send in your check towards the cause, but don't demand my tax dollars be part of the solution.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Hey, it's like Manny said in this first post. This move is purely political. So if you want to sound intelligent and drop partisan sound byte BS, then let's discuss what is going on between McCain and Obama with an understanding that all this is political. Because it is.

[KenMcCoy]

WC...it's patriotic to pay more in taxes.

What I'm looking for is a breakdown of this bailout by tax bracket...not just the $2300 per taxpayer everyone is saying.

[lurker]

"A few moments ago, President Bush called Senator Obama and asked him to attend a meeting in Washington tomorrow, which he agreed to do. Senator Obama has been working all week with leaders in Congress, Secretary Paulsen, and Chairman Bernanke to improve this proposal, and he has said that he will continue to work in a bipartisan spirit and do whatever is necessary to come up with a final solution. He strongly believes the debate should go forward on Friday so that the American people can hear from their next President about how he will lead America forward at this defining moment for our country," said Obama-Biden spokesman Bill Burton.

[MannyIsGod]

I keep wondering how it would play if Obama showed up for the debate and McCain didn't. I really don't know who it would benefit. This election is going to go down as teh most interesting of my life. I don't doubt this one bit.

[MannyIsGod]

I gotta say, so far I think Obama is playing this perfectly. McCain is coming off as desprate and really political so far. I'm extremely biased, and I'm not going to deny that, so my perspective isn't that of the average American.

I do think that so far I don't think Obama has made any big misteps in handling this and that may be the most important thing for him to do right now.

[MannyIsGod]

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/timeout.jpg

:lmao

[boutons_]

White House

President Bush Calls Obama and McCain

Updated 8:30 p.m.
By Michael Abramowitz
White House spokesman Tony Fratto said President Bush called Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama tonight around 7:30 pm. Bush and GOP presidential nominee Sen. John McCain also spoke this afternoon, and their staffs conferred afterwards, Fratto said.

The president has invited the bicameral and bipartisan leadership, and the two senators running for president, to the White House tomorrow "to work on driving to a bipartisan and timely solution."

Obama has agreed to attend the meeting.

"A few moments ago, President Bush called Senator Obama and asked him to attend a meeting in Washington tomorrow, which he agreed to do," Obama-Biden spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement.

"Senator Obama has been working all week with leaders in Congress, Secretary Paulson, and Chairman Bernanke to improve this proposal, and he has said that he will continue to work in a bipartisan spirit and do whatever is necessary to come up with a final solution. He strongly believes the debate should go forward on Friday so that the American people can hear from their next President about how he will lead America forward at this defining moment for our country."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/24/president_bush_calls_obama_and.html?hpid=topnews

==========

So McTimeOut gets an assist from dubya to pull HUSSEIN off the campaign trail.

[MannyIsGod]

Survey USA conducted a poll this afternoon of 1000 people about the notion of cancelling the debate. 3 out of 4 or so wanted it to go on. About half of those would like the focus shifted to economic issues.

I'm gonna try to find a link to it.


America's 1st Reaction -- Friday's McCain-Obama Debate Should Still Be Held On Friday, But Perhaps with New Focus: Immediately after John McCain's announcement at 3 pm ET today, Wednesday 09/24/08, that he was suspending his campaign and seeking to postpone Friday's scheduled presidential debate, SurveyUSA interviewed 1,000 adults nationwide. Key findings: A majority of Americans say the debate should be held on Friday. Just 10% say the debate should be postponed. A sizable percentage of Americans, 36%, think the focus of the debate should be modified to focus more on the economy. 3 of 4 Americans say the presidential campaigns should continue. Just 14% say the presidential campaigns should be suspended. If Friday's debate does not take place, 46% of Americans say that would be bad for America.
Caveats: This survey was completed in middle of unprecedented and fast-changing news events. This survey should be viewed as a freeze-frame snapshot of public opinion at a unique moment in American history. Opinions can and should be expected to change as news events unfold. SurveyUSA did not characterize Senator McCain's comments nor Senator Obama's comments in any way in the research questionnaire.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=54d651a7-a62b-4420-bb32-9dd6b2df8c02

[jochhejaam]

Home Run for McCain.

[Yonivore]

McCain is attempting to checkmate Obama. Trying to put him in a damned if you do damned if you don't position. This may be it.

If only Obama had some balls....I'd advise him to tell McCain 'fuck off this is the time america needs debate from the two people who are running to be the president'
Except that McCain isn't asking to cancel the debates...just postpone them while he and Obama do the jobs they are being paid, by the American people, to do.

Frankly, I think seeing what they will do with the Senate this week would say more about their leadership abilities than continuing to campaign and having a debate.


Obama can insist on debating, and pull the Keating Five ace he has been holding on and I've been insisting he pull out for the bajillionth time...

If McCain refuses, Obama uses the entire debate session as a giant one man show campaign ad.

Could work entirely against him or entirely for him, depending on his choice of words.
Yep, he could sure do that. And, you think that'd help him? Particularly if McCain is back in Washington hammering out a bi-partisan agreement that rescues the economy?

I say go for it. Take the gamble.

[MannyIsGod]

Uh oh, word out of DC is that the deal is already pretty damn close to being done. This is from a DC insider, but I don't know the accuracy level.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/219410.php

[MannyIsGod]

http://kod-gaming.com/fileman/uploads/dan/mccainday.jpg

:lmao

!!!!!

[jochhejaam]

On Obama saying that "they can deal with more than one thing at at time";

Here's a parallel, if I'm on the job and I get an emergency call for an immediate family member, I stop what I'm doing to attend the emergency.
Of course I'd have the option of staying at work and monitoring the emergency via phone, but then I come across as uncaring, putting something of lesser importance (practicing for a debate? More campaign bs?, c'mon!) above an emergency.

Take a couple of days off and tend to the crisis at hand, a short postponement of the campaign/debate won't hurt anything.

[MannyIsGod]

I wasn't aware Joch was the POTUSA or that the Presidency was comparable to whatever Joch does. Good to know the level we hold the POTUSA that multi tasking in that job is the same as any crisis any of us would deal with at our jobs.

[jochhejaam]

I wasn't aware Joch was the POTUSA or that the Presidency was comparable to whatever Joch does. Good to know the level we hold the POTUSA that multi tasking in that job is the same as any crisis any of us would deal with at our jobs.

I wasn't aware that Obama or McCain was the POTUS.

So who won?

[jochhejaam]

I wasn't aware Joch was the POTUSA or that the Presidency was comparable to whatever Joch does. Good to know the level we hold the POTUSA that multi tasking in that job is the same as any crisis any of us would deal with at our jobs.

I doubt we'd miss anything earth-shattering if there were a short pause in the campaigning, most people I talk to are suffering from political campaign news fatigue.

Listen, it's not like we have to suspend dialogue on the electoral vote thread.

[cool hand]

So? My partisanship is limited to anti-democrat. I dislike many of the republicans too you know. I don't agree with all of president Bush's ideas or appointment. I am tired of you thinking I am pro-republican.

Paulson may have been appoited by president Bush, but he was probably part of the problem. He was CEO at Goldman Sachs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_Sachs)! I'll bet he wants a quick solution because he doesn't want to be investigated.

I already pay enough in taxes. I say everyone that wants to participate in this bailout to do just that. Send in your check towards the cause, but don't demand my tax dollars be part of the solution.



being conservative doesn't mean you have to be republican.

in fact republicans are acting a lot more like fascists if you ask me.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I gotta say, so far I think Obama is playing this perfectly. McCain is coming off as desprate and really political so far. I'm extremely biased, and I'm not going to deny that, so my perspective isn't that of the average American.

I do think that so far I don't think Obama has made any big misteps in handling this and that may be the most important thing for him to do right now.

That is what I am thinking. He needs to stay his own course and not make any mistakes. But still find a way to make the debate.
I am convinced this is his chance to crush McCain.

[PixelPusher]

I wasn't aware that Obama or McCain was the POTUS.

So who won?

They're both running for the job. Try and keep up.

[boutons_]

McCain Wants A Time Out -- But Why?

Why does John McCain suddenly want to suspend his presidential campaign and postpone Friday's debate? His campaign surrogates are saying it's a typical "maverick" move, that McCain is simply "putting country first." Let's look at the evidence:

1) As Ben Smith notes, McCain's move "is a mark, most of all, that he doesn't like the way this campaign is going. ... The only thing that's changed in the last 48 hours is the public polling (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/McCains_gambit.html?showall)."

2) The idea of uniting the campaigns to find a bipartisan solution to the Wall Street crisis wasn't even McCain's idea. A few minutes ago, Obama spokesman Bill Burton emailed to reporters:
"At 8:30 this morning, Senator Obama called Senator McCain to ask him if he would join in issuing a joint statement outlining their shared principles and conditions for the Treasury proposal and urging Congress and the White House to act in a bipartisan manner to pass such a proposal. At 2:30 this afternoon, Senator McCain returned Senator Obama's call and agreed to join him in issuing such a statement. The two campaigns are currently working together on the details."3) John McCain has skipped more votes (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/votes/missed/) during this session than any member of the Senate except for Tim Johnson, who had major brain surgery. He hasn't cast a single vote in five months, since April 9. All of a sudden, McCain is demanding that the presidential race shut down so he can return to Washington?

4) A reminder: President Bush was able to debate John Kerry while he was president. For all of his sudden urgency, McCain acknowledged just yesterday that he had not even read (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/24/mccain-suspend-bailout/) the administration's three-page bailout proposal.

5) It's not at all clear that having McCain and Obama back in DC will actually help. "What does seem apparent, though, is that putting the two candidates in the negotiating room is far more likely to distract--and derail--negotiations than having them out on the hustings," Jonathan Cohn writes at the New Republic (http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/09/24/mccain-suspending-campaign-this-is-quot-country-first-quot.aspx).

It's impossible to know why McCain chose this course, but it sure seems like more of a political stunt than a maverick moment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/mccain-wants-a-time-out_n_128991.html?view=print

[Cant_Be_Faded]

McCain's move is obviously one of weakness. But he's made yet another rather impressive move. The next 24 hours are crucial.

[Wild Cobra]

being conservative doesn't mean you have to be republican.

True. Too may republicans are too liberal.


in fact republicans are acting a lot more like fascists if you ask me.
Really? You should look that term up. It's the democrats who want to implement authoritarian policies, not republicans. It's democrats who say things like "I want to take their profits."

[cool hand]

no, dummy you look the term up. liberals are acting like communists. your boys are acting like fascists.........education is a dangerous thing.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Wild Cobra has become the worst poster on this entire forum over the past few weeks. It's disgusting.

[CubanMustGo]

True. Too may republicans are too liberal.

Really? You should look that term up. It's the democrats who want to implement authoritarian policies, not republicans. It's democrats who say things like "I want to take their profits."

And Republicans who say "let the banks fuck over the little people, we'll bail the banks and their cocksucker leadership out and let all the little people get fucked again paying for it." Right.

[Shastafarian]

On Obama saying that "they can deal with more than one thing at at time";

Here's a parallel, if I'm on the job and I get an emergency call for an immediate family member, I stop what I'm doing to attend the emergency.
Of course I'd have the option of staying at work and monitoring the emergency via phone, but then I come across as uncaring, putting something of lesser importance (practicing for a debate? More campaign bs?, c'mon!) above an emergency.

Take a couple of days off and tend to the crisis at hand, a short postponement of the campaign/debate won't hurt anything.

Analogy FAIL

[jochhejaam]

Schwarzenegger showed similar wisdom when he canceles his appearance at the RNC to devote time to Cali's budget deadlock.



All of a sudden debates are of the utmost important to Obama. Yeah...

[jochhejaam]

Analogy FAIL

Opinion.

[Shastafarian]

Wild Cobra has become the worst poster on this entire forum over the past few weeks. It's disgusting.

I dunno. DarrinS thinking hanging an effigy of a black man is funny puts him in the running.

[jochhejaam]

They're both running for the job. Try and keep up.

I would type typed in FAIL, but seeing how this is a pixelpusher quote, it would have been redundant to have done so.

[Shastafarian]

I would type typed in FAIL, but seeing how this is a pixelpusher quote, it would have been redundant to have done so.

:lol

[Spurminator]

Were any of you calling for Obama and McCain to postpone the debates before today? Just curious. Because if it's such a great idea and the most responsible thing to do (especially if you put your country ahead of your campaign), you'd think the idea would have been brought up a few days ago.

[MannyIsGod]

Schwarzenegger showed similar wisdom when he canceles his appearance at the RNC to devote time to Cali's budget deadlock.



All of a sudden debates are of the utmost important to Obama. Yeah...

I'm sorry was the Governator running for an office at that time? No.

[MannyIsGod]

Wild Cobra has become the worst poster on this entire forum over the past few weeks. It's disgusting.

Its not like he had a real high point to fall from but he's seriously horrible right now. Every single one of his posts really put me on tilt so badly.

[jochhejaam]

Were any of you calling for Obama and McCain to postpone the debates before today? Just curious. Because if it's such a great idea and the most responsible thing to do (especially if you put your country ahead of your campaign), you'd think the idea would have been brought up a few days ago.


I think most people thought the bailout was a done deal, that Congress was going to rubber stamp the bailout request. McCain possibly leading the way to block it changes all that.

The focus should be on the possible bailout being thwarted, not the debate.

Nice to see that someone has some balls.

[jochhejaam]

I'm sorry was the Governator running for an office at that time? No.

Who were you asking?



Thanks for posting your personal question and answer session manny.

[MannyIsGod]

Who were you asking?



Thanks for posting your personal question and answer session manny.

I was providing you the answer since at this time I severely doubt your ability to provide it yourself.

[Trainwreck2100]

This old lady comes into my work today and says "Have you heard the latest news" And I'm thinking to myself "Oh Fuck i hope it ain't zombies" Then she brought this up, but with a different reaction for Obama. And I think to myself bitch needs to stop listening to WOAI and get both sides.

I'll add i don't care who wins this election cause we're screwed either way

[jochhejaam]

I was providing you the answer since at this time I severely doubt your ability to provide it yourself.

Oh, I get it now... I thought you were just showing everyone how bright you were.

[mrsmaalox]

:lmao Letterman is having a field day with this!! :lmao

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao Letterman is having a field day with this!! :lmao

I knew it was coming so I tuned in for once...


Showing McCain with Couric was awesomeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Letterman was pissed.

[baseline bum]

XjkCrfylq-E

Damn! I haven't seen Letterman go off on anyone like that since his NBC days!

[boutons_]

"Early Wednesday, at 8:30 a.m. EST, Obama called McCain to propose that the two candidates attempt to take a leadership role in responding to the economic crisis. Concerned that no consensus was emerging from negotiations between Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson and leaders in Congress, Obama suggested that he and his Republican rival outline shared goals for any bailout of troubled banks and financial-services institutions.

Specifically, Obama proposed that the two author a joint statement of "shared principles and conditions" for a bailout. McCain responded around 2:30 p.m. EST Wednesday to express his willingness to work with Obama.

Then, at 3 p.m. EST, without alerting Obama or the Democrat's campaign to his intentions, McCain called a press conference to announce that he would stop campaigning in order to return to Washington to focus on the "historic" crisis facing the U.S. economy."

"As the afternoon progressed, Obama graciously announced that -- despite McCain's behavior -- he was still willing to work with the Republican, and that he would go to Washington or anywhere else if it was thought that doing so might help to resolve the crisis."

"...everyone who is paying attention to the 2008 campaign learned something Wednesday about John McCain. The man who so frequently denigrates diplomacy apparently has so little respect for the one-on-one relationship that underpins any serious negotiation between powerful figures that he would play political games even in the midst of what he admits is a "historic" crisis.

While McCain was trying to make himself look like a leader, the Republican contender instead confirmed that he is uniquely unqualified to serve in a position that requires his occupant to win and retain the trust of those with whom he negotiates."

http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/100235

==============

So McDoubleCross, putting the "country first", fucked and sandbagged HUSSEIN's private attempt at bi-partisanship, reaching across the "campaign aisle", which McLiar says HUSSEIN doesn't do, while McMeFirstLastAndAlways proclaims himself to be bi-partisan.

.

[florige]

XjkCrfylq-E

Damn! I haven't seen Letterman go off on anyone like that since his NBC days!

:lol Really been a tough couple of weeks for poor McCain since the convention ended.

[DarrinS]

I dunno. DarrinS thinking hanging an effigy of a black man is funny puts him in the running.



I never said it was funny so don't put words in my mouth.

It's absolutely humorless -- kinda like you.

[boutons_]

Suspending his campaign and postponing the debate with HUSSEIN that he wanted oh so badly for oh so long are just gimmicks to try save his cratering in the polls after the dead-moose poll bounce in the polls.

A HUGE bet on his part, and VERY PRESIDENTIAL, to say nothing of CLASSY. :lol

[101A]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bill-clinton-do.html


Bill Clinton: Don't 'Overly Parse' McCain Request to Delay Debate

September 25, 2008 8:26 AM
ABC News' Nitya Venkataraman Reports: Former President Bill Clinton defended Sen. John McCain's request to delay the first presidential debate (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/mccain-not-comm.html), saying McCain did it in "good faith" and pushed organizers to reserve time for economy talk during the debate if the Friday plans move forward.
Appearing on Good Morning America Thursday, Clinton told ABC News' Chris Cuomo that McCain's push to postpone the debate would only be a good political move if both candidates agreed. McCain announced on Wednesday that he would "suspend" his presidential campaign to come to Washington to help negotiate a financial bailout bill


"We know he didn't do it because he's afraid because Sen. McCain wanted more debates," Clinton said, adding that he was "encouraged" by the joint statement from McCain and Sen. Barack Obama.
"You can put it off a few days the problem is it's hard to reschedule those things," Clinton said, "I presume he did that in good faith since I know he wanted -- I remember he asked for more debates to go all around the country and so I don't think we ought to overly parse that."
If the debate moves forward as planned for Friday night, Clinton says "they should be able to talk about this some of the debate because it is a security issue."

[Trainwreck2100]

LMAO when they cut to couric

[florige]

LMAO when they cut to couric


What made it worse was the fact that they showed him getting his face prepped. Thats what put it over the top....:lol

[spurster]

The president has invited the bicameral and bipartisan leadership, and the two senators running for president, to the White House tomorrow "to work on driving to a bipartisan and timely solution."


That's funny that Bush bails out Obama. This gives Obama an excuse to go to DC instead of looking like he's following McCain around.

[MannyIsGod]

Jesus Christ I'm starting to think its better to have Bill Clinton just STFU. I'm starting to cringe anytime I see a headline with the words Bill and Clinton in it.

[101A]

Jesus Christ I'm starting to think its better to have Bill Clinton just STFU. I'm starting to cringe anytime I see a headline with the words Bill and Clinton in it.

Dude promised Hillary the presidency to save his "marriage" and legacy.

Trying like hell to deliver in '12.

[Hook Dem]

Well, 101, youre very different than most conservatives on this forum. Its my impression that you may be partisan but that you will not be lead blindly, red or blue.

Can you say the same of the resident liberals/conservatives here? I think not.

Pot...........meet Kettle!:lmao

[Shastafarian]

I never said it was funny so don't put words in my mouth.

It's absolutely humorless -- kinda like you.

My mistake. You don't see what's racist about hanging an effigy of a black man.

[DarkReign]

Pot...........meet Kettle!:lmao

You dont know dick-all about me, partisan.

Your idea of input is regurgitation. You havent had an original thought of your own since you created your screen name, and I am not entirely sure you didnt lift that "great hook" either.

You swoop in every 3rd month and do nothing but quote other like-minded lemmings in agreement. Youre as useless as a used condom and twice as full of yourself.

[101A]

You dont know dick-all about me, partisan.

Your idea of input is regurgitation. You havent had an original thought of your own since you created your screen name, and I am not entirely sure you didnt lift that "great hook" either.

You swoop in every 3rd month and do nothing but quote other like-minded lemmings in agreement. Youre as useless as a used condom and twice as full of yourself.

Ouch.

That's gonna leave a mark.

[Spurminator]

:wow

[Shastafarian]

It's a good thing he's suspending his campaign. He hadn't even read the plan before congress!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnsNOEgp-_o



ANCHOR: As for the massive Wall Street bailout McCain insists it have...

JSM: Oversight that is effective and transparent. We need people like Warren Buffet and Mike Bloomberg and Mitt Romney to have an oversight of this. We can’t put that responsibility in the hands of one person.

ANCHOR: The crunch question. Would you vote for it as it’s presently constructed?

JSM: I have not had a chance to see it in writing so I have to examine that.

[2centsworth]

That's funny that Bush bails out Obama. This gives Obama an excuse to go to DC instead of looking like he's following McCain around.

the bailout shouldn't be political, so Bush did the right thing. If Obama needed a political out, and I'm not sure he did, but if he did the right thing was Bush giving him one.

"Country First" corny but true.

[rascal]

Hasn' he said in the past he would rather do what's right rather than win a campaign?

This is proof.

Question is....

What will Obama do? He has asked Obama to join him.


You're a moron if you believe this. They can make you believe anything they want you to. You fall for it every time.

[Findog]

http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/worst_selfinflicted_campaign_m.php

Candidates have made a lot of unforced errors over the years. Richard Nixon promising to campaign in all 50 states when running against John Kennedy in 1960 -- and getting sick, tired, and cadaver-looking as a result. Nixon again thinking he had to get those crucial Democratic National Committee records from the Watergate building in 1972. (He obviously made it through the election, but then....) Dukakis getting into the tank in 1988.

But compared with John McCain "suspending" his campaign and trying to postpone the debates? Puh-leeze. None of the reasons below is original, but it's worth adding them up to see how risky McCain's proposal is, in giving people impressions he doesn't want to convey.

* The senator with (understandably) one of the lowest actual-attendance rates at the Capitol in the last two years, and who has played little role in crafting legislation recently, suddenly needs to be nowhere but Washington -- exactly now?

* The candidate whose strongest claim to office is his experience, mastery, and understanding of foreign policy, cannot handle a debate on that topic, against a rookie, when he has other things on his mind?

* The candidate who wants to quash any suspicion that he is not quick enough, not vigorous enough, or not multi-tasking enough to handle a job that poses a new challenge every minute, is essentially asking for everyone to take things a little slower so he can concentrate?

* The candidate whose first response to the financial crisis was to propose firing the head of the Securities and Exchange Commission, and whose second response was to run ads linking his opponent (hazily) to former Fannie Mae officials (before news came out that his own campaign manager was still on the Freddie Mac payroll), now wants us to believe that statesmanship and love of country govern his every move on this issue?

* The most famously stoic candidate of recent times is willing to have it look as if he's running away from a confrontation while he's behind.

Now, maybe I am misjudging my fellow citizens. Maybe most people will say: Yes, it's perfectly understandable that John McCain, having traveled constantly for years on the campaign trail, suddenly can't make it down to Mississippi on Friday. We respect him all the more! But I don't think this is some mass-vs-elite type question. This involves basic "dog ate my homework" appearances that anyone can understand.

To my taste, the strongest moment in John McCain's long debating history happened more than eight years ago, when he took on George W. Bush in South Carolina. McCain was furious at Bush for the underhanded campaign ads the Bush-Rove campaign had run against him in the South. He excoriated Bush (description of the whole scene after the jump) and, with acid in his voice, said "You should be ashamed."

If that John McCain were still around, I can guess what he would think about the man now campaigning under his previously-good name.
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From my July 2004 Atlantic article, "When George Meets John":

On February 15, four days before the [South Carolina] vote, Bush and McCain appeared together on Larry King Live (along with Alan Keyes, the motormouth former ambassador, who was still in the race). Beneath a smile, McCain was seething. Two weeks earlier he had pulled off a surprising victory over the much better financed Bush in New Hampshire. Bush had responded in South Carolina by attacking McCain mercilessly from the right. On Larry King, Bush and McCain traded complaints about unfair negative campaign ads. Bush's complaint was that McCain had run an ad comparing him to Bill Clinton. "That's about as low a blow as you can give in a Republican primary!" he said.

McCain held a tight smile. "Let me tell you what really went over the line," he said shortly afterward, when asked by King for a reply. At a recent Bush rally Bush had stood alongside someone McCain called "a spokesman for a fringe veterans' group," who had denounced McCain for "abandoning" Vietnam veterans.

With feigned politeness, McCain told Bush, "I don't know if you can understand this, George, but that really hurts. It really hurts." No mention of McCain's service as a military pilot, nor of his imprisonment and torture in the "Hanoi Hilton"; everyone knew what McCain meant. McCain turned to King. "And so five United States senators--Vietnam veterans, heroes, some of them really incredible heroes--wrote George a letter and said, 'Apologize.' You should be ashamed."

Bush sputtered, "Let me speak to that ..."

McCain faced him again, calm but contemptuous: "You should be ashamed."

It went on for minutes. Bush protested McCain's underhanded tricks--why, one of McCain's supporters, the former senator Warren Rudman, had said that the Christian Coalition included "bigots." Of McCain's military heroism Bush lamely said, "I'm proud of your record, just like you are," and conceded--in an "okay, are you happy now?" tone--that McCain had "served his country well" and had not abandoned veterans. But he was still unhappy himself: "You can disagree with me on issues, John, but do not question--do not question my trustworthiness, and do not compare me to Bill Clinton." It was Bush's worst onstage moment in the 2000 [primary] campaign.

[ChumpDumper]

Ok, I don't get it. I can understand doing the CBS interview instead of Letterman -- but why did he spend the night in New York and didn't leave until 11 or so when the emergency was going to be discussed in DC in the morning?

[lurker]

I'm more interested in knowing why his campaign offices are still open, why his ads are still running, and why his people are still on TV spewing the same bullshit they were before.

[Buddy Holly]

HE SUSPENDED HIS CAMPAIGN!!!

Still has his campaign offices open

Still running ads

Stilling taking in contributions

Still having his cronies bash Obama on TV

lol

[JohnnyMarzetti]

An overwhelming percentage of Americans do not want Friday's scheduled presidential debate to be delayed because of the Wall Street crisis, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted in the hours after the possibility was raised.

Republican presidential nominee John McCain (web|news|bio) on Wednesday called on Democratic rival Barack Obama (web|news|bio) to postpone Friday's debate to deal with the nation's financial problems.Obama rejected the offer, saying, "it's more important than ever" that the country hear from its next president.

SurveyUSA interviewed 1,000 adults nationwide Wednesday afternoon, finding that, in sum, 86 percent of Americans supported holding the debate as scheduled. Fifty percent wanted the debate to be held as planned. An additional 36 percent wanted the debate to focus on the economy. Just 10 percent of respondents said the debate should be postponed. Four percent were undecided.

[TheMadHatter]

If I were a McCain supporter I'd be hard pressed to support him as a candidate at this point. It's just becoming embarrassing now, I have no idea what McCain's handlers are telling him to do but they are seriously fucking up any chance he has of winning this election.

McCain was one of the few Republicans I had respect for, quite frankly because of how he ran his campaign in '00. He may have lost, but he did so with dignity. When this election is over, he'll have none left. If Republicans lose this year they will be in serious disarray for a long time coming. Honestly, it's probably for the best that the Republican beast be dismantled and the party find out who they really are.

[sook]

If I were a McCain supporter I'd be hard pressed to support him as a candidate at this point. It's just becoming embarrassing now, I have no idea what McCain's handlers are telling him to do but they are seriously fucking up any chance he has of winning this election.

McCain was one of the few Republicans I had respect for, quite frankly because of how he ran his campaign in '00. He may have lost, but he did so with dignity. When this election is over, he'll have none left. If Republicans lose this year they will be in serious disarray for a long time coming. Honestly, it's probably for the best that the Republican beast be dismantled and the party find out who they really are.

Exactly what im thinking, he starts crying about suspending his campaign to rescue the economy and sits in his little corner keeping to himself during the meeting. Comical tbh

Barack Obama reaffirmed his ability to lead.

He has been organized and completely composed through out this whole situation bravo to him.