ted kennedy taken to hospital

[clambake]

does anyone have any thoughts about this?........anyone?

[SpursFanFirst]

Do you have any other information?
I hope he's OK.

[romad_20]

He's old and has brain cancer?

Seriously though, he didn't look that great at the convention and he is battling cancer.

[Anti.Hero]

He's such a great man. I have full confidence God will look after his soul.

[Shastafarian]

Probably not a good sign. I hope he's gonna be ok but it doesn't sound good at this stage...

[Yonivore]

Meanwhile, Mary Jo Kopeckne had no comment.

[Shastafarian]

Meanwhile, Mary Jo Kopeckne had no comment.

That didn't take long.

[clambake]

Do you have any other information?
I hope he's OK.

you just made somebody's shit list.

[baseline bum]

Ted Kennedy is a douche. Fuck him.

[T Park]

I don't like his politics nor his moral's IE the car and the lake, but I don't wish the man ill will.

Meeting him in 1999 was definately a highlight in my life.

[Yonivore]

That didn't take long.
It would have been there quicker if I'd of seen the thread sooner.

Guess what Shasta...she's still dead.

[clambake]

I don't like his politics nor his moral's IE the car and the lake, but I don't wish the man ill will.

Meeting him in 1999 was definately a highlight in my life.

dammit whottt, you need to rip this guy a new a-hole. :bang

[Shastafarian]

It would have been there quicker if I'd of seen the thread sooner.

Guess what Shasta...she's still dead.

I guess that whole christian idea of forgiveness is lost on you. The man could very well be on his death bed right now.

[Yonivore]

I guess that whole christian idea of forgiveness is lost on you. The man could very well be on his death bed right now.
Not my place to forgive him for that.

Just pointing out he let her drown for political reason and never, ever, ever showed any remorse for it.

I pray God redeems his soul but, I'm not going to throw platitudes at the man just because he's dying. We're all dying.

[Anti.Hero]

*Waits for Kopeckne to post*



Oh that's right, she's still dead.

[Shastafarian]

Just pointing out he let her drown for political reason and never, ever, ever showed any remorse for it.

He didn't "let her drown" for political reasons. He didn't report it for political reasons. He says he tried to get her out and if you don't believe him then you're just a cynical asshole. But we kinda already knew that.

[Mr. Peabody]

MSNBC is reporting that it's not serious, but you know how that goes. They said the same thing about Bernie Mac.

[clambake]

MSNBC is reporting that it's not serious, but you know how that goes. They said the same thing about Bernie Mac.

everything is black and white with you :lol

[Mr. Peabody]

everything is black and white with you :lol

There was a poster here for a while that assumed I was Black. I don't know why he assumed that, but he did. He would say things like, "Just because you're Black, you think...."

[Yonivore]

He didn't "let her drown" for political reasons. He didn't report it for political reasons. He says he tried to get her out and if you don't believe him then you're just a cynical asshole. But we kinda already knew that.
There's evidence there was enough air trapped in the vehicle for Mary Jo Kopeckne to have lived quit a long time...long enough for Kennedy to call for held and possibly rescue her.

[T Park]

dammit whottt, you need to rip this guy a new a-hole. :bang

What did I say?

[Shastafarian]

There's evidence there was enough air trapped in the vehicle for Mary Jo Kopeckne to have lived quit a long time...long enough for Kennedy to call for held and possibly rescue her.

So you've seen the police report?

[Yonivore]

So you've seen the police report?
As a matter of fact, yes. What's that got to do with the discussion?

[Shastafarian]

As a matter of fact, yes. What's that got to do with the discussion?

You seem to know so much about it. "There's evidence there was enough air trapped in the vehicle for Mary Jo Kopeckne to have lived quit a long time". Got a link to such information?

[whottt]

What did I say?





Meeting him in 1999 was definately a highlight in my life.


What the fuck is wrong with you?

[clambake]

What the fuck is wrong with you?

GET HIM!!!!!!

[Yonivore]

You seem to know so much about it. "There's evidence there was enough air trapped in the vehicle for Mary Jo Kopeckne to have lived quit a long time". Got a link to such information?


http://www.ytedk.com/waterlevels2.gif
- Inquest Exhibit # 14 -

- Sketch of Mary Jo Kopechne's position in the accident car prepared under the direction of scuba diver John Farrar.
- Farrar believed that the car initially contained a large pocket of trapped air, represented by the original water level.

[Shastafarian]

http://www.ytedk.com/waterlevels2.gif
- Inquest Exhibit # 14 -

- Sketch of Mary Jo Kopechne's position in the accident car prepared under the direction of scuba diver John Farrar.
- Farrar believed that the car initially contained a large pocket of trapped air, represented by the original water level.

Link? I'd like to see how much he "believed" there was a pocket of air.

[Yonivore]

l0hdhLG0g6A

[T Park]

What the fuck is wrong with you?


Hes a high ranking famous senator.

It was a once in a lifetime oppurtunity.

[Shastafarian]

l0hdhLG0g6A

We're sorry this video is no longer available.

[Yonivore]

Hes a high ranking famous senator.

It was a once in a lifetime oppurtunity.
There are a hundred of them, a third of whom are up for election every 2 years...meet a more respectable one and cherish the experience.

[Yonivore]

We're sorry this video is no longer available.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0hdhLG0g6A

Try that.

I think the scuba diver testified at inquest that there could have been as much as two hours of air.

[T Park]

There are a hundred of them, a third of whom are up for election every 2 years...meet a more respectable one and cherish the experience.


Hook up the meeting and I would.

I was with a volunteer organization and he supported our organization 1000% and I was happy to meet him.


Hell I was on the steps of the capital building and got to shake his hand and was photographed.

I mean, come on, again, thats a once in a lifetime oppurtunity.

[Yonivore]

http://www.cdobs.com/archive/our-columns/ted-kennedys-good-fortune,1177/

key graf:


A diver was sent down and discovered Kopechne’s body. At the inquest, the diver, John Farrar, testified that Kopechne’s body was pressed up in the car in the spot where an air bubble had been presumably formed. The inquest said the bubble could have allowed her to breathe for two hours afer the accident. Farrar testified: “Had I received a call within five to ten minutes of trhe accident…and was able as I was the following morning to be at the victim’s side within 25 minutes of receiving the call…there is a strong possibility that she would have been alive on removal from the submerged car.” Kennedy’s dithering, cowardice and emotional paralysis…fear of political retribution…led to the stall, most say.

[Shastafarian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0hdhLG0g6A

Try that.

I think the scuba diver testified at inquest that there could have been as much as two hours of air.

How could he possibly know? When he found the car it was full of water. Is he basing these thoughts on her position when she was found?

[Yonivore]

How could he possibly know? When he found the car it was full of water. Is he basing these thoughts on her position when she was found?
Point is, Kennedy might have saved her life if he had called for help. He decided his political career was more important than Mary Jo Kopeckne.

[whottt]

Hes a high ranking famous senator.

It was a once in a lifetime oppurtunity.


False...getting in the car with Kennedy is the once in a lifetime opportunity.

[T Park]

False...getting in the car with Kennedy is the once in a lifetime opportunity.

Funny, but I have no shame in shaking the hand of a famous senator thats seen as much US History as he is.

[Yonivore]

False...getting in the car with Kennedy is the once in a lifetime opportunity.
More like a last in a lifetime opportunity.

[ChuckD]

Not my place to forgive him for that.



Why not? Because he didn't do it to you or yours?

Forgiveness isn't for the transgressor, it's for you. This is something that happened like 40+ years ago to people strange to you, and you still harbor obvious bitterness when you weren't even involved. He was an over privileged kid from a richer family who panicked when he got into a bind. He also never advanced further in politics. Let it go.

[Yonivore]

Why not? Because he didn't do it to you or yours?

Forgiveness isn't for the transgressor, it's for you. This is something that happened like 40+ years ago to people strange to you, and you still harbor obvious bitterness when you weren't even involved. He was an over privileged kid from a richer family who panicked when he got into a bind. He also never advanced further in politics. Let it go.
What makes you think I'm bitter...I just find it somewhat incredible that people hold this man in high esteem.

[Shastafarian]

What makes you think I'm bitter...I just find it somewhat incredible that people hold this man in high esteem.

Do you hold George W. Bush in high esteem?

[Yonivore]

Do you hold George W. Bush in high esteem?
Yep.

[Shastafarian]

Yep.

Ya see that presents a problem. I'm guessing you think the Iraq War was more than justified but a whole heap of people think we were lied to (WMD's, Saddam's capabilities). Lemme guess. The original "WMD/Saddam is a threat" justification doesn't mean a thing to you. OVer 4,000 US troops have died for what exactly?

[Yonivore]

Ya see that presents a problem. I'm guessing you think the Iraq War was more than justified but a whole heap of people think we were lied to (WMD's, Saddam's capabilities). Lemme guess. The original "WMD/Saddam is a threat" justification doesn't mean a thing to you. OVer 4,000 US troops have died for what exactly?
You're right, we don't agree. Feel free to hold George Bush in low esteem and attack him at every turn...you have my permission. Oh wait, you've been doing that.

Carry on.

And comparing the decisions and judgements of the Commander in Chief with those of a drunk who just ran his car into a pond is a bit of a stretch. But, since you have. Find me one person that agrees with Ted Kennedy's decision that night. Yeah.

[Anti.Hero]

I mean, come on, again, thats a once in a lifetime oppurtunity.


False...getting in the car with Kennedy is the once in a lifetime opportunity.



!!! :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Shastafarian]

You're right, we don't agree. Feel free to hold George Bush in low esteem and attack him at every turn...you have my permission. Oh wait, you've been doing that.

Carry on.

And comparing the decisions and judgements of the Commander in Chief with those of a drunk who just ran his car into a pond is a bit of a stretch. But, since you have. Find me one person that agrees with Ted Kennedy's decision that night. Yeah.

You're right. According to you Kennedy got one person killed that night. Mr. Bush's decisions have gotten over 4,000 americans killed. And I believe this is the only time I've attacked Mr. Bush. "You've been doing that" is a bit of a stretch.

So...why have so many people died in Iraq?

[cool hand]

time to anwser some questions

-----God.

[SpursFanFirst]

you just made somebody's shit list.

:huh