Official MLB Playoffs, playoff games to get into playoffs game and games thread

[T Park]

Right now Brewers bottom of the 8th are tied with the Cubs 1-1
Mets bullpen has just given up 2 straight solo homeruns and they now trail the Marlins 4-2.


The White Sox are winning their game today so they are gonna have to play tommarow afternoon vs the Tigers. If they Sox and Twins win, that game decides if there is a playoff for the division on tuesday.


Ryan Braun just hit a two run homer, Brewers lead 3-1

Looking like the Brewers are gonna win the wild card.

[T Park]

CC Sabathia is still pitching in the 9th inning, going for his 7th complete game as a Brewer.

What a fantastic trade by the Brewers, despite CC leaving this offseason to the Yankees.

[T Park]

Complete game 1 run win for Sabathia

Brewers win, it all depends on the Mets game.

[T Park]

Celebrate Milwaukee

Your going to the playoffs

Mets lose.

:)

Really awesome scene in Milwaukee

[T Park]

Phillies Brewers

Cubs Dodgers


Phillies in 3

Cubs in 5


The Brewers are a great story but CC is gonna have to pitch game 2 on short rest AGAIN,

The one thing they have going for them is Jeff Suppan going in game 1, and as every Cardinal fan knows, Suppan is freaking clutch.

If the Brewers steal game 1, then the series is an entirely different story, but I just don't see it.

[Reggie Miller]

Phillies Brewers

Cubs Dodgers


Phillies in 3

Cubs in 5


The Brewers are a great story but CC is gonna have to pitch game 2 on short rest AGAIN,

The one thing they have going for them is Jeff Suppan going in game 1, and as every Cardinal fan knows, Suppan is freaking clutch.

If the Brewers steal game 1, then the series is an entirely different story, but I just don't see it.


I suspect Sabathia will be pitching like Jason Marquis soon if they keep pushing him. That's his "history." (A "history" of one postseason, granted.)

I hate the short series because anyone can beat anyone. Unfortunately, the same division rule hurts the Cubs, because they flat own Milwaukee.

[Reggie Miller]

The make-up game between the Detroit Tigers and Chicago WhiteSox will be necessary.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=280928104


I don't like Chicago's chances. Even if they win in Detroit, they would have to play a tie-breaker against the Twins. At least the tie-breaker is in the Cell. Any of the other AL teams could easily sweep them in a short series. The Sox will have no chance to set their rotation or rest guys like Thome and Griffey. It almost seems like a waste, even if they somehow make it.

[T Park]

I suspect Sabathia will be pitching like Jason Marquis soon if they keep pushing him. That's his "history." (A "history" of one postseason, granted.)

I hate the short series because anyone can beat anyone. Unfortunately, the same division rule hurts the Cubs, because they flat own Milwaukee.


Just putting him in the same sentence as Marquis is a freaking insult.

[Warlord23]

Phillies over Brewers in 4
Cubs over Dodgers in 5

Angels vs Red Sox will go 5 games and is a toss-up
Rays beat whoever makes it outta the AL Central in 4

[lefty]

Bosox will repeat

[FromWayDowntown]

I flipped onto the Brewers/Cubs game in time to see Durham lead off the 7th with a double. I watched the Brewers get him over and in (Braun groundout, Fielder walk, Hardy walk, Hart clueless strikeout, Counsell walk) without another hit to tie the game. Then I flipped over to watch Schoenweis get touched up by Helms. Then I flipped back to watch Sabathia work the Cubs in the 8th, flipping back after a pitching change to see Uggla take Ayala out to make it 4-2 Fish in NY. Then I flipped back to see Cameron single, to see Durham just miss a bomb, and to see Braun yank Wuertz out. Then I flipped back to see Rhodes coax a moderately dangerous fly ball from Delgado with 2 on and 2 out. Then I watched Sabathia get Lee to ground into a double play. Then I watched the Mets have a 9th inning that ended with a somewhat menacing flyball by Church.

I think I managed to catch the most important plays of the day -- somehow.

[Melmart1]

Whether your team gets in or not, all of this jostling and stuff is exciting. I think some of these series are gonna be a lot of fun to watch, yay for October!

[IronMexican]

Bosox will repeat

Didn't you say you were a Yankee fan?


Let's go http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/jlljr07/doyers.jpg :downspin:

[Melmart1]

I wouldn't mind the Dodgers. My first-ever MLB game was at Dodgers stadium and for years the local AA team, the San Antonio Missions, were the Dodgers' affiliate. In fact, they were called the San Antonio Dodgers for a few seasons. Although I loathe the city itself, I wouldn't cry if the Dodgers won it all. But I am rooting for the Rays.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I'm rooting for Brewers-Rays.

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

Angels/Phillies.

[Melmart1]

Angels/Phillies.

Fuck the Angels! Why can't you be a Dodgers fan?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

If not the Rays, I'm going for the Angels.

If not the Brewers, I'm going for the Cubs.

[IronMexican]

Angels/Phillies.

Gaylo's, ewww. You must live in the OC.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm rooting for Brewers-Rays.

Even better might be Brewers-Twins, which is my personal hope.

I'm already envisioning the screams about small markets and low ratings. Never mind that they might play a great series against each other -- it won't matter because everyone knows that small market teams can't really play exciting baseball. We shouldn't turn the game on unless teams from NY, LA, Chicago, or Boston are involved.

[samikeyp]

Angels/Dodgers.

(although I would love the story if the Rays won it all.)

[IronMexican]

Angels/Dodgers.

(although I would love the story if the Rays won it all.)

That would be so dope. The 110 would not move, but who gives a fuck.

[lefty]

Didn't you say you were a Yankee fan?


Let's go http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/jlljr07/doyers.jpg :downspin:

I said they would repeat.

Not that I want them to repeat.

Plus, Yankees are not in the playoffs


You are really a dumbfuck :lol

[IronMexican]

Show me another TRUE Yankee fan that would admit that. Ass hats from Canada, damn.

[lefty]

Show me another TRUE Yankee fan that would admit that. Ass hats from Canada, damn.

There are some objective Yankees fans...

Most of Yankees fans are not, but some of them are not homers

But I hate the Lakers :toast

[T Park]

Angels vs Cubs

Angels in 6

[Tippecanoe]

I will still be pulling for Red Sox over Dodgers

[T Park]

:lol

The Dodgers will be lucky to win a game in the NLDS let alone get to the world series.

[Tippecanoe]

:lol

The Dodgers will be lucky to win a game in the NLDS let alone get to the world series.

doesn't mean i can't root for them

[Trainwreck2100]

That white sox/tigers isn't really a playoff game

[Reggie Miller]

That white sox/tigers isn't really a playoff game

Correct. That's why WGN has it.

[T Park]

That white sox/tigers isn't really a playoff game

It is for the White Sox.

[Trainwreck2100]

It is for the White Sox.


it may hold somewhat of the same value, but its not a playoff game

[T Park]

it may hold somewhat of the same value, but its not a playoff game

They lose they are out.

If they don't win they don't even get a chance at a 1 game playoff.

I'd say the White Sox are going for 2 straight playoff games in a row.

[Trainwreck2100]

They lose they are out.

If they don't win they don't even get a chance at a 1 game playoff.

I'd say the White Sox are going for 2 straight playoff games in a row.

You can make that argument for any late regular season game

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

Fuck the Angels! Why can't you be a Dodgers fan?

Because you're either an Angel fan or a Codger fan out here growing up.
I made the better choice.


Gaylo's, ewww. You must live in the OC.

Nope.
I live in L.A. county.
You like the Codgers, Raitards AND Lamers?
For those reasons alone you should be sterilized, if not euthanized altogether.

[ATRAIN]

im pulling for the Cubs in the NL. Although they are a Rival, I grew up watching them on WGN and I have a lot of family who are cubs fans. I always pull for them in the post season if the Stros dont make it. Plus, I dont care for the Dodgers, Brew Crew, or philly.

In the AL I like the Ray or Angels and even the Whitesox(if they make it). I dont care for the Twins and I dont want the Bosox to win it again.

[IronMexican]

Because you're either an Angel fan or a Codger fan out here growing up.
I made the better choice.



Nope.
I live in L.A. county.
You like the Codgers, Raitards AND Lamers?
For those reasons alone you should be sterilized, if not euthanized altogether.

Fucking Codgers? is that a word? Raitards are lame too. Most people give me the "Traitors" for leaving LA. And I never met an Angel fan until 2001. So growing up there was only one option, the Blues. Of course we started sucking for so long people jumped ship.

[IronMexican]

White Sox game is finally under way.

[Reggie Miller]

Fucking Codgers? is that a word? Raitards are lame too. Most people give me the "Traitors" for leaving LA. And I never met an Angel fan until 2001. So growing up there was only one option, the Blues. Of course we started sucking for so long people jumped ship.



Hell, I never even heard of an Angels fan between the time Carew retired and 2001.

[Reggie Miller]

The Detroit bullpen officially hates the Twins worse than the WhiteSox. Put in on the boards. Wise scores on a succession of wild pitches. Walks to Dye, Konerko, and Griffey. WhiteSox have the bases loaded with one out in the bottom of the 6th. Score knotted at two.

EDIT: No more. Ramirez hits a GS. 6-2, WhiteSox. Methinks they will live to fight tomorrow. Minnesota Twins delenda est!

[bostonguy]

Bring on the Angels. A rematch of last years alds but this one will be much tougher. I like the Sox's chances against anyone. Go Dodgers in the NL. Manny is my all time favorite sox player and I would love to see him give dodger fans more reasons to love him in the playoffs. If Sox dont make it I want the Dodgers to win it all. If neither get the job done, then I am rooting for the anyone but the Angels and possibly the White Sox.

[Purple & Gold]

Cubs are choke artists. More so than the Dodgers. I like our chances in the first round. Time for our pitching staff to step up!!!

[Reggie Miller]

Cubs are choke artists. More so than the Dodgers. I like our chances in the first round. Time for our pitching staff to step up!!!

Such brilliant analysis. Thank God we have someone like you who understands what happened in 1969, 1984, 1989, 1998, and 2003 is MUCH more important than the fact that the Cubs have the highest run differential in MLB in 2008.

Number of Cubs from the 1969, 1984, 1989, 1998, and 2003 rosters still with the team = 2 (Aramis Ramirez and Kerry Wood, 2003).

Obviously, there is more overlap from last year. However, it' not the same team. The 2007 Cubs #3 starter was Rich Hill; this year it's Rich Harden. The 2007 Cubs actually gave significant playing time to Jacques Jones and his hat, as well as Cliff Floyd on a Rascal Scooter. The 2007 Cubs didn't choke; they were the eighth-best team in the postseason. They backed into the NL Central in 2007; the Brewers just kept losing games in August and September faster than the Cubs could. You can't "choke" when no one expects you to win.

The Cubs may have been the best team in 1984. They certainly were not in 1989, 1998, and 2003.

Just for example, look at the 2003 Playoffs. Atlanta went 101-61 in 2003, and had the best offensive club of their dynasty. San Francisco went 100-61; most of their current aging core where still in their primes. The Marlins were 91-71, and look at how many current big stars were youngsters on that 2003 roster. The Cubs finished 88-74, after going on a hot streak late in the season, and barely passed the Cardinals and Astros, who were probably better teams overall that year. The 2003 Cubs had Prior, Wood, and Sosa, and that was about it.

It's not choking when you weren't expected to win. Only Cub fans could have believed that the Cubs had the chance of an icicle in Hell at the beginning of the 2003 Playoffs.

[dallaskd]

This is a great game. Neither pitcher is breaking.

Danks...:depressed

[Purple & Gold]

Such brilliant analysis. Thank God we have someone like you who understands what happened in 1969, 1984, 1989, 1998, and 2003 is MUCH more important than the fact that the Cubs have the highest run differential in MLB in 2008.

Number of Cubs from the 1969, 1984, 1989, 1998, and 2003 rosters still with the team = 2 (Aramis Ramirez and Kerry Wood, 2003).

Obviously, there is more overlap from last year. However, it' not the same team. The 2007 Cubs #3 starter was Rich Hill; this year it's Rich Harden. The 2007 Cubs actually gave significant playing time to Jacques Jones and his hat, as well as Cliff Floyd on a Rascal Scooter. The 2007 Cubs didn't choke; they were the eighth-best team in the postseason. They backed into the NL Central in 2007; the Brewers just kept losing games in August and September faster than the Cubs could. You can't "choke" when no one expects you to win.

The Cubs may have been the best team in 1984. They certainly were not in 1989, 1998, and 2003.

Just for example, look at the 2003 Playoffs. Atlanta went 101-61 in 2003, and had the best offensive club of their dynasty. San Francisco went 100-61; most of their current aging core where still in their primes. The Marlins were 91-71, and look at how many current big stars were youngsters on that 2003 roster. The Cubs finished 88-74, after going on a hot streak late in the season, and barely passed the Cardinals and Astros, who were probably better teams overall that year. The 2003 Cubs had Prior, Wood, and Sosa, and that was about it.

It's not choking when you weren't expected to win. Only Cub fans could have believed that the Cubs had the chance of an icicle in Hell at the beginning of the 2003 Playoffs.

Are you still going with your be all end all stat of run differential :lol :lol

You hold onto it more than Hollinger and his ridiculous PER. There are other factors that lead to playoff success. I happen to think pitching (starting and relief) and defense are the most important ones. The Cubs haven't won a Championship in how long? No matter how you slice it they've continually choked. They should have at least backed into 1 title in all those years. Even the White and Red Sox have won in recent years.

I also thought it was funny you don't consider all the errors after the Bartman play as choking. I guess the Cubs answer to a different reality.

[Reggie Miller]

Are you still going with your be all end all stat of run differential :lol :lol

You hold onto it more than Hollinger and his ridiculous PER. There are other factors that lead to playoff success. I happen to think pitching (starting and relief) and defense are the most important ones. The Cubs haven't won a Championship in how long? No matter how you slice it they've continually choked. They should have at least backed into 1 title in all those years. Even the White and Red Sox have won in recent years.

I also thought it was funny you don't consider all the errors after the Bartman play as choking. I guess the Cubs answer to a different reality.

Again, you show your ignorance. Whether or not the Cubs choked in 2003, that team has zero relevance to this team. That's just common sense.

Bartman = choking? So something totally random in 2003 that didn't directly involve a Cubs' player (otherwise it is interference) is indicative of how the 2008 Cubs will perform. I see our public schools are still letting us down. Can you find Canada on a map?

The Cubs lost that game because of Alex Gonzalez. Anyone who watched the 2003 Cubs could have told you that Alou had no chance at the Bartman ball. (He never left his feet in LF all year.) You can make a damn strong argument that any team starting Alex Gonzalez can't choke by definition, because you shouldn't have very high expecations for a team that has to start Alex Gonzales. The 2003 Cubs had to have near-perfect outings from Prior, Wood, or Zambrano to win games; they couldn't manufacture runs when necessary. (This may be the hallmark of Dusty teams, come to think of it.)

My point is that a lot of this "curse" talk is pure bullshit. You aren't cursed if you just flat out suck. Cubs' fans use angst as a way of avoiding the ugly truth: the 1989, 1998, 2003, and 2007 Cubs just weren't that good, particularly on offense. Those teams all backed into the playoffs.

1984 was a choke. 2008 is potentially a choke. You can't "choke" if you were just plain lucky to make the postseason. It's called "reverting to the mean," or more commonly "playing to your true potential."

[Reggie Miller]

Are you still going with your be all end all stat of run differential :lol :lol

You hold onto it more than Hollinger and his ridiculous PER. There are other factors that lead to playoff success. I happen to think pitching (starting and relief) and defense are the most important ones. The Cubs haven't won a Championship in how long? No matter how you slice it they've continually choked. They should have at least backed into 1 title in all those years. Even the White and Red Sox have won in recent years.

I also thought it was funny you don't consider all the errors after the Bartman play as choking. I guess the Cubs answer to a different reality.

Statistics are "real," because they measure "real" events. Little gnomes don't come along and create them in your computer. Do you think that pitching and defense somehow aren't reflected in run differential?

A differential is defined as "data extracted from the level of difference between two variables." Thus run differential is the difference between runs scored (hitting) and runs allowed (pitching and defense). Ain't science grand?

Some basic points for you to consider:
1) Dodger Stadium is a barn with huge foul territory.
2) Wrigley is a bandbox without much foul territory.

Dodgers’ Team ERA = 3.68 (1st in NL)
BAA = .251 (5th in MLB, 2nd in NL)

Cubs’ Team ERA = 3.87 (2nd in NL)
BAA = .242 (1st in MLB)

By this crude measurement, the staffs are roughly equal. Park effects explain how the Dodgers have a worse Batting Average Against, yet still allow fewer runs. In practical terms, these numbers are functionally identical even without accounting for park effects.

This season, Cubs’ pitching has outperformed Dodgers’ pitching head-to-head. However, the difference is also inconsequential in practical terms.

2008 Dodgers’ ERA v. Cubs = 2.49
BAA = .238

2008 Cubs’ ERA v. Dodgers = 2.47
BAA = .235

Abandoning statistics entirely, my eyes tell me that Ted Lilly, the Cubs’ fourth starter, would be the second-best starter on the Dodgers staff at this moment.

Turning to offense, this is where the Cubs really dominate the Dodgers.

2008 Cubs = .278 BA, .354 OBP, .443 SLG, .797 OPS (2nd in MLB, 1st in NL)
2008 Dodgers = .264 BA, .333 OBP, .399 SLG, .732 OPS (24th in MLB, 13th in NL)

Head-to-head numbers greatly favor the Cubs, because the Dodgers obtained Ramirez after finishing the season series with Chicago. Unfortunately, I cannot find a “Manny Split,” so I will use the Post All-Star Game Split.

Cubs in 2nd Half = .273 BA, .346 OBP, .443 SLG, .789 OPS (8th in MLB, 1st in NL)
Dodgers in 2nd Half = .279 BA, .350 OBP, .434 SLG, .784 OPS (19th in MLB, 8th in NL)

Even with Ramirez, the Dodgers lost eight games in a row in August, including a sweep by the Washington Nationals. During this stretch, LA averaged less than two runs per game. The Cubs played their AAAA configuration for most of September, and the kids scored more runs per game.

The Dodgers should have zero chance against the Cubs. So do the Brewers or Phillies, for that matter. If the Cubs don’t win the NLCS, then I would call this season a “choke.”

[T Park]

God how awesome was Cole Hamels today.

8 IP 2 hits 1 walk 9 Ks

Damn hes lived up to the hype.

[T Park]

Heres a shocker.

Cubs are losing 4-2.

:lol

Different year, same old Cubbies :lmao

[T Park]

:lmao

Man Ram makes it 5-2 Dodgers


Why aren't the Cubs fans chanting that retarded song?

[T Park]

As a Cards fan, nothing funnier and more entertaining than a silenced Wrigley Field. Absolute TV magic.

[T Park]

RBI Single by Casey Blake makes it 6-2 Dodgers.

:lmao

Same ole same ole Cubbies :)

[T Park]

:lmao

Home run Russel Martin

7-2 Dodgers.

:lol

Jason marquis, thank you Chicago for signing him away from the Cardinals.

[turiaf for president]

:lol

The Dodgers will be lucky to win a game in the NLDS let alone get to the world series.

admit u were a bit off here? =D

its still a long series. 3 HR's in a game for the dodgers........wow. ill take it!

[bostonguy]

Nice to see my boy Manny hit that solo home run. Man I miss that mother fucker!:depressed:depressed

Dodger fans are seeing the good things Manny can do in the postseason. Go Manny! Go Dodgers. Now this night would be complete if the Angels drop this game.

[T Park]

admit u were a bit off here? =D

its still a long series. 3 HR's in a game for the dodgers........wow. ill take it!

I'll gladly be wrong if it means the Cubs choke and lose again.

[turiaf for president]

Nice to see my boy Manny hit that solo home run. Man I miss that mother fucker!:depressed:depressed

Dodger fans are seeing the good things Manny can do in the postseason. Go Manny! Go Dodgers. Now this night would be complete if the Angels drop this game.

his hr was ridiculous. it was on his shoelaces and hit it 450 ft

[turiaf for president]

I'll gladly be wrong if it means the Cubs choke and lose again.

hope you're VERY wrong. =D

bad news for the cubbies, billingsly was the most consistant SP for the dodgers all year and hes going tomarrow. the young kids on the dodgers got a huge boost in confidence after this game one win.

[Purple & Gold]

Again, you show your ignorance. Whether or not the Cubs choked in 2003, that team has zero relevance to this team. That's just common sense.

Bartman = choking? So something totally random in 2003 that didn't directly involve a Cubs' player (otherwise it is interference) is indicative of how the 2008 Cubs will perform. I see our public schools are still letting us down. Can you find Canada on a map?

The Cubs lost that game because of Alex Gonzalez. Anyone who watched the 2003 Cubs could have told you that Alou had no chance at the Bartman ball. (He never left his feet in LF all year.) You can make a damn strong argument that any team starting Alex Gonzalez can't choke by definition, because you shouldn't have very high expecations for a team that has to start Alex Gonzales. The 2003 Cubs had to have near-perfect outings from Prior, Wood, or Zambrano to win games; they couldn't manufacture runs when necessary. (This may be the hallmark of Dusty teams, come to think of it.)

My point is that a lot of this "curse" talk is pure bullshit. You aren't cursed if you just flat out suck. Cubs' fans use angst as a way of avoiding the ugly truth: the 1989, 1998, 2003, and 2007 Cubs just weren't that good, particularly on offense. Those teams all backed into the playoffs.

1984 was a choke. 2008 is potentially a choke. You can't "choke" if you were just plain lucky to make the postseason. It's called "reverting to the mean," or more commonly "playing to your true potential."

:lmao :lmao :lmao This is just classic. "You can make a damn strong argument that any team starting Alex Gonzalez can't choke by definition, because you shouldn't have very high expecations for a team that has to start Alex Gonzales." Do you really believe that shit??

The Cubs choked after the Bartman play. Errors, walks, and giving up timely hits happened right after. The Cubs didn't lose cause of Bartman. The lost because they all choked after that play. No way you can defend it. It went from Cubs winning 3-0 in the 8th, to them losing the game 8-3. But they didn't choke because Alex Gonzalez was a starter. :lol :lol

Classic

[Purple & Gold]

Statistics are "real," because they measure "real" events. Little gnomes don't come along and create them in your computer. Do you think that pitching and defense somehow aren't reflected in run differential?

A differential is defined as "data extracted from the level of difference between two variables." Thus run differential is the difference between runs scored (hitting) and runs allowed (pitching and defense). Ain't science grand?

Some basic points for you to consider:
1) Dodger Stadium is a barn with huge foul territory.
2) Wrigley is a bandbox without much foul territory.

Dodgers’ Team ERA = 3.68 (1st in NL)
BAA = .251 (5th in MLB, 2nd in NL)

Cubs’ Team ERA = 3.87 (2nd in NL)
BAA = .242 (1st in MLB)

By this crude measurement, the staffs are roughly equal. Park effects explain how the Dodgers have a worse Batting Average Against, yet still allow fewer runs. In practical terms, these numbers are functionally identical even without accounting for park effects.

This season, Cubs’ pitching has outperformed Dodgers’ pitching head-to-head. However, the difference is also inconsequential in practical terms.

2008 Dodgers’ ERA v. Cubs = 2.49
BAA = .238

2008 Cubs’ ERA v. Dodgers = 2.47
BAA = .235

Abandoning statistics entirely, my eyes tell me that Ted Lilly, the Cubs’ fourth starter, would be the second-best starter on the Dodgers staff at this moment.

Turning to offense, this is where the Cubs really dominate the Dodgers.

2008 Cubs = .278 BA, .354 OBP, .443 SLG, .797 OPS (2nd in MLB, 1st in NL)
2008 Dodgers = .264 BA, .333 OBP, .399 SLG, .732 OPS (24th in MLB, 13th in NL)

Head-to-head numbers greatly favor the Cubs, because the Dodgers obtained Ramirez after finishing the season series with Chicago. Unfortunately, I cannot find a “Manny Split,” so I will use the Post All-Star Game Split.

Cubs in 2nd Half = .273 BA, .346 OBP, .443 SLG, .789 OPS (8th in MLB, 1st in NL)
Dodgers in 2nd Half = .279 BA, .350 OBP, .434 SLG, .784 OPS (19th in MLB, 8th in NL)

Even with Ramirez, the Dodgers lost eight games in a row in August, including a sweep by the Washington Nationals. During this stretch, LA averaged less than two runs per game. The Cubs played their AAAA configuration for most of September, and the kids scored more runs per game.

The Dodgers should have zero chance against the Cubs. So do the Brewers or Phillies, for that matter. If the Cubs don’t win the NLCS, then I would call this season a “choke.”

First off Dodger stadium doesn't have that much foul territory anymore. You might wanna know what you're talking about before you open your pie hole.

:lol :lol @ you talking about the 4th starter on a team playing in a best of 5 series. News flash for you neither team will start their 4th starter so it really doesn't matter how deep their starting 5 is. Unless you wanna argue that it makes their bullpen that much tougher. I might entertain it, but the Dodgers bullpen is still much tougher and got a boost with Saito's return. Comparing the Dodgers and Cubs head to head matchups this year is just stupid. They haven't played each other since early June. Only an idiot would even try to draw some type of conclusion from it. (BTW Dodgers won the series, but it don't mean shit in October :lol ). You're basically using stupid stats that have no relevance in a short series, especially this one.

Here's some values you can think of adding to your calculators run differential equation:

1) Dodgers are a new team with Manny and with how Ethier has woken up
2) Dodgers are getting healthy with the return of Furcal and Saito
3) Lowe has been pitching lights out, better than any Cubs starter
4) The Cubs are still the Cubs and they will choke again (is it 100 years yet?) :lol

Next time use some fucking common sense and exercise your critical thinking skills instead of being another sabermetric fuck. How about actually watching the game instead of trying to analyze it with a calculator :lmao :lmao

[Purple & Gold]

:depressed

BTW the no chance Dodgers shit all over your guaranteed second round Cubs in game 1 at Wrigley. :rollin

[T Park]

BTW the no chance Dodgers shit all over your guaranteed second round Cubs in game 1 at Wrigley. :rollin

:lol

Nice

[IronMexican]

This thread is awesome.

[Reggie Miller]

First off Dodger stadium doesn't have that much foul territory anymore. You might wanna know what you're talking about before you open your pie hole.

:lol :lol @ you talking about the 4th starter on a team playing in a best of 5 series. News flash for you neither team will start their 4th starter so it really doesn't matter how deep their starting 5 is. Unless you wanna argue that it makes their bullpen that much tougher. I might entertain it, but the Dodgers bullpen is still much tougher and got a boost with Saito's return. Comparing the Dodgers and Cubs head to head matchups this year is just stupid. They haven't played each other since early June. Only an idiot would even try to draw some type of conclusion from it. (BTW Dodgers won the series, but it don't mean shit in October :lol ). You're basically using stupid stats that have no relevance in a short series, especially this one.

Here's some values you can think of adding to your calculators run differential equation:

1) Dodgers are a new team with Manny and with how Ethier has woken up
2) Dodgers are getting healthy with the return of Furcal and Saito
3) Lowe has been pitching lights out, better than any Cubs starter
4) The Cubs are still the Cubs and they will choke again (is it 100 years yet?) :lol

Next time use some fucking common sense and exercise your critical thinking skills instead of being another sabermetric fuck. How about actually watching the game instead of trying to analyze it with a calculator :lmao :lmao


Nice how you ignore anything that doesn't reconfirm your preconceived notions.

I mentioned quite conspicuously that the Cubs hadn't played the Dodgers since getting Ramirez. I went on to say that this was a problem with the stats. If the Cubs had been playing better, they intentionally walk Ramirez in every plate appearance.

You bring nothing to the table but smack talk and generalizations. I don't worship stats. I DO expect for people to back up a baseball argument with something more than,

"ZOMG, Manny is da ballzz. "

Congratulations to the Dodgers for not getting swept. I picked the Cubs in 4. Razz me when they lose two games. (Since you are obviously developmentally disabled, I'll use small words. That's when I would have to worry about eating crow.)

[Purple & Gold]

Nice how you ignore anything that doesn't reconfirm your preconceived notions.

I mentioned quite conspicuously that the Cubs hadn't played the Dodgers since getting Ramirez. I went on to say that this was a problem with the stats. If the Cubs had been playing better, they intentionally walk Ramirez in ever plate appearance.

You bring nothing to the table but smack talk and generalizations. I don't worship stats. I DO expect for people to back up a baseball argument with something more than,

"ZOMG, Manny is da ballzz. "

Congratulations to the Dodgers for not getting swept. I picked the Cubs in 4. Razz me when they lose two games. (Since you are obviously developmentally disabled, I'll use small words. That's when I would have to worry about eating crow.)

Nothing but smack and generalizations?? How about points 1-3 (i'll even ignore point #4 for your convenience). Waiting for you to address them and tell me how your mathematical equation took that into account. And I debunked all your stupid assertations (4th starter, foul territory, run differential :lol )

[Purple & Gold]

Also don't ever say that blowing a 3-0 lead in the 8th and losing 8-3 is not choking. It makes us all dumber. Be a man and realize your Cubbies choked in 2003 like they have for the last century.

[Reggie Miller]

Nothing but smack and generalizations?? How about points 1-3 (i'll even ignore point #4 for your convenience). Waiting for you to address them and tell me how your mathematical equation took that into account. And I debunked all your stupid assertations (4th starter, foul territory, run differential :lol )

Wake me when Chicago loses the second game.

Your "points" are crap. They are all projections of what might happen, with no correlation to 2008 performance. Show me some reason WHY I care about Furcal, just for example.

The Dodgers backed into the playoffs. Your team didn't even win 90 games in the weakest division in baseball. You may have the greatest team since Abner Doubleday started wearing store-bought clothes. You haven't proved shit, yet.

As I said, if the Cubs lose this series, it will be a monumental choke. IMHO, the Dodgers have zero chance of winning the NLDS. I never said they wouldn't win a game. I said they wouldn't win TWO games.

Are you retarded? 1+1 =2. Also, 2>1. You can call me everything except a white man when the Dodgers win two. Until then, bite me.

[Reggie Miller]

4) The Cubs are still the Cubs and they will choke again (is it 100 years yet?) :lol


I hope your mother is dying of cancer and draws a doctor who believes in curses and vitreous humours. :lmao :lmao

Maybe he'll sacrifice a goat. :lmao

After all, if it's not baseless superstition when it comes to baseball, then it isn't superstition in medicine, right?

Curses are real, right?

[ducks]

bay>manny today

[IronMexican]

bay>manny today

:lol Look at this cock sucker. You're team would be in the playoffs if we didn't have Manny.

[Purple & Gold]

Wake me when Chicago loses the second game.

Your "points" are crap. They are all projections of what might happen, with no correlation to 2008 performance. Show me some reason WHY I care about Furcal, just for example.

The Dodgers backed into the playoffs. Your team didn't even win 90 games in the weakest division in baseball. You may have the greatest team since Abner Doubleday started wearing store-bought clothes. You haven't proved shit, yet.

As I said, if the Cubs lose this series, it will be a monumental choke. IMHO, the Dodgers have zero chance of winning the NLDS. I never said they wouldn't win a game. I said they wouldn't win TWO games.

Are you retarded? 1+1 =2. Also, 2>1. You can call me everything except a white man when the Dodgers win two. Until then, bite me.

:lmao :lmao @ the total meltdown by pacerfan here. Classic

Aren't we all just speculating and predicting what will happen. You are predicting what will happen because of the Cubs whole 2008 year. I am predicting due to matchups, momentum, circumstances. You are just looking at 2008 stats.

Why should you care about Furcal returning? Well because he's a very good shortstop and means we don't have to play Angel Berroa anymore at short. So undoubtedly the Dodgers will be a much better team even if he plays below his career average.

You: But he's been hurt all year how can you even possibly know what he will do without 2008 stats to go by?

Me: Don't need to answer to your stupid little 2008 criteria. I've seen and understand enough about baseball to be able to accurately predict many things. I don't need to sell my soul to the sabermetric devil like you did. Use your noodle from time to time Einstein.

Dodgers haven't proved shit, but the Cubs have. :lol :lol Another gem by you. Keep them coming haven't had this good a laugh in a long time.

BTW your type of thinking is what led the pacers to the shithouse. JO for Odom and Bynum because Bynum hasn't proven anything :lmao :lmao Get the fuck out of here with your weak shit.

[T Park]

bay>manny today


Shut the fuck up already.

[Purple & Gold]

I hope your mother is dying of cancer and draws a doctor who believes in curses and vitreous humours. :lmao :lmao

Maybe he'll sacrifice a goat. :lmao

After all, if it's not baseless superstition when it comes to baseball, then it isn't superstition in medicine, right?

Curses are real, right?

Who brought up a curse?? Not me. I brought up that the cubs are chokers. It permeates throughout the franchise and their pitiful fan base.

So answer me:
Did the cubs choke after the Bartman play? (went from 3-0 to 8-3)

Shouldn't they have been able to back into a Championship in 100 years? (or have they always not had a chance to win except for 1984?)

[Reggie Miller]

:lmao :lmao @ the total meltdown by pacerfan here. Classic

Aren't we all just speculating and predicting what will happen. You are predicting what will happen because of the Cubs whole 2008 year. I am predicting due to matchups, momentum, circumstances. You are just looking at 2008 stats.

Why should you care about Furcal returning? Well because he's a very good shortstop and means we don't have to play Angel Berroa anymore at short. So undoubtedly the Dodgers will be a much better team even if he plays below his career average.

You: But he's been hurt all year how can you even possibly know what he will do without 2008 stats to go by?

Me: Don't need to answer to your stupid little 2008 criteria. I've seen and understand enough about baseball to be able to accurately predict many things. I don't need to sell my soul to the sabermetric devil like you did. Use your noodle from time to time Einstein.

Dodgers haven't proved shit, but the Cubs have. :lol :lol Another gem by you. Keep them coming haven't had this good a laugh in a long time.

BTW your type of thinking is what led the pacers to the shithouse. JO for Odom and Bynum because Bynum hasn't proven anything :lmao :lmao Get the fuck out of here with your weak shit.

Wake me when the Dodgers win that second game.

[Purple & Gold]

Wake me when the Dodgers win that second game.

:lol :lol Don't sleep on the Dodgers or Bynum there Einstein.

[Purple & Gold]

So answer me:
Did the cubs choke after the Bartman play? (went from 3-0 to 8-3)

Shouldn't they have been able to back into a Championship in 100 years? (or have they always not had a chance to win except for 1984?)

Will pacerfan ever answer this?? :blah :blah :blah :blah :blah

[TheMadHatter]

I saw a Dodger team shit all over the Cubs pathetic pitching tonight.

Lowe was lights out. The Dodgers flat out have better pitching and if their bats can keep pace we'll be looking at another Cubby flameout.

My night would have been perfect had the pathetic Angels taken down Beantown. It just isn't meant to be, no matter how many times the Angels raped them in the regular season they bend over and take it in the ass in the playoffs every time.

[bostonguy]

Beautiful win by the red sox. Pitching was at a kick ass championship level tonight. David Ortiz sucked all game but he is a clutch son of a bitch. John Lester is growing up and I am pumped to see Matsuzaka and Beckett in the next 2 games.

My NL and AL teams won tonight! Hell yeah!

[bostonguy]

I saw a Dodger team shit all over the Cubs pathetic pitching tonight.

Lowe was lights out. The Dodgers flat out have better pitching and if their bats can keep pace we'll be looking at another Cubby flameout.

My night would have been perfect had the pathetic Angels taken down Beantown. It just isn't meant to be, no matter how many times the Angels raped them in the regular season they bend over and take it in the ass in the playoffs every time.


You have Mannywood on your team. The O will be fine.

[Purple & Gold]

You have Mannywood on your team. The O will be fine.

:tu

[turiaf for president]

zambrano will blow up. i read somewhere his second half ERA is something like 5.90. i just think that guys and asshole and billingsly was the most consistant SP for the dodgers all year. dodgers in 4!

[ducks]

Shut the fuck up already.

damm the truth hurts that much

[ducks]

:tu

why you walk him the first couple times
then pitch to him late he will strike out because he wants to do to much

I have seen it

or you pitch him inside

[Bigzax]

Go Cubs!!!

[Jimcs50]

New England Patriots: 3 Championships and will be a force in the NFL as long as Bill Belichick is at the helm!

Boston Redsox: 2007 World Series Champions!
I miss you Manny as you are my all-time favorite Sox player!Boston Celtics: 2008 NBA Champions!!

They will remain a strong force in the NBA for the next 2-3 years. While it will be a short window, the risk was well worth it.

Fuck Manny, he tried to destroy the Sox season because he was being a selfish prick. You do not fuck over your teammates like that.

I used to love him, now I hate the fuck and hope he fucking blows a knee out before free agency this Winter.

[turiaf for president]

why you walk him the first couple times
then pitch to him late he will strike out because he wants to do to much

I have seen it

or you pitch him inside

stop crying man.

they both went 2-4. manny also added a walk so he was on base 1 more time than bay. he scored 2 runs.

more importantly, martin who batted in front of manny was on base twice in 4 at bats. JD Drew who was batting in front of bay when 0-4. so tell me again how bay was better than manny last nite?

just stop crying man. u know if u had manny, the dbacks woulda won the west. they tried to counter by getting dunn but thats like comparing jordan to john starks. Dbacks had no firepower and dunn and reynolds strike out more than the 40 year old virgin

[ATRAIN]

Fuck Manny, he tried to destroy the Sox season because he was being a selfish prick. You do not fuck over your teammates like that.

I used to love him, now I hate the fuck and hope he fucking blows a knee out before free agency this Winter.

Damn richer that is kind of mean, but then again I hoped the same on Brady, Vince Young, and Romo. 2 out of 3 aint bad.

[Trainwreck2100]

Damn richer that is kind of mean, but then again I hoped the same on Brady, Vince Young, and Romo. 2 out of 3 aint bad.

3/3 Romo's got a vagina problem

[Thunder Dan]

the one beef I have with the Rays is that they retired Wade Boggs' number even though he only played 1 year there--what the hell is that all about?

[samikeyp]

the one beef I have with the Rays is that they retired Wade Boggs' number even though he only played 1 year there--what the hell is that all about?

You do what you can to fill seats.

[Thunder Dan]

You do what you can to fill seats.

you bring in the most boring player in the history of baseball...Wade Boggs :rollin


speaking of filling seats...who doesn't sell out their first ever playoff game?

[samikeyp]

you bring in the most boring player in the history of baseball...Wade Boggs :rollin


speaking of filling seats...who doesn't sell out their first ever playoff game?

Hey, when you are averaging 1,000 a game, you will try anything! :lol

[IronMexican]

:lol The Trop has open seats. That's a shame.

[Thunder Dan]

Hey, when you are averaging 1,000 a game, you will try anything! :lol

The only thing I really know about Wade Boggs was that I always seemed to have his baseball card when I was little and just never cared. There was always like an All Star thing on it, or a future Hall of Famer but for some reason I just hated Wade Boggs when I was little; I wanted Griffey and Albert Belle, not some boring guy with a beard. He falls into the list of players I knew were good but hated having their cards in my collection which included: Wade Boggs, Ryan Sandberg, Cal Ripken Jr, Don Mattingly, Tony Gwynn, Detlef Schrempf, Clyde Drexler, Art Monk, Warren Moon, Robin Ventura, Drazen Petrovic, Larry "Grandma ma" Johnson, John Starks, Chris Mullen

probably more, but if your named wasn't Sanders (Barry/Deion), Jordan, Griffey or someone on the Indians- I didn't care to have your card

[Flight3107]

Awesome hearing Harold Reynolds again, By far my favorite personality from Baseball 2 Night.



Fuck you ESPN

[Thunder Dan]

these Frank TV ads are getting annoying already and it's only the 2nd day of playoff baseball

[T Park]

:lmao

Man-Ram hits another homer

6-0 Dodgers

This is absolutely hilarious :lmao

[turiaf for president]

zambrano will blow up. i read somewhere his second half ERA is something like 5.90. i just think that guys and asshole and billingsly was the most consistant SP for the dodgers all year. dodgers in 4!

:ihit:ihit:ihit

[IronMexican]

:downspin::hat:king

[turiaf for president]

Wake me when the Dodgers win that second game.

do you hear the alarm going off =D. sorry had to do it man.

[T Park]

:lmao

this is fucking awesome

[baseline bum]

Fucking Cubs fans are crying in the stadium. It's like watching all those games the Spurs have played in Phoenix over the years.

[bostonguy]

Manny adding insult to injury with that rbi. Sucks for Cubs fans. The curse will
go over 100 years with 1 more loss. I felt that pain watching the Yankees kick
Bostons ass all over Fenway and Yankee Stadium in the playoffs. It sucked. Then in 2004 the Sox made history and cursed the Yankees back!:hat

The Dodgers are just a surging determined team with a kick ass Manager in Torre and a kickass in Manny. Torre kept that team in the hunt but the Manny trade helped raise the swagger and level of play of that ball club. Glad to see Manny playing well.

Red Sox fans may hate him for how he left etc etc and I dont blame them for it. I hated that it had to come to that, but the son of a bitch is still my all time favorite Red Sox player. I love my Red Sox more but I will root for any team Manny is on when they arent playing Boston.

[T Park]

I hope Manny resigns in LA.

I want a 99 jersey :lol

[T Park]

Fucking Cubs fans are crying in the stadium. It's like watching all those games the Spurs have played in Phoenix over the years.

Me being a Cardinal fan, this is as sweet as watching that :)

[T Park]

10-1

Way to show up Cubbies :lmao


Absolutely pathetic.

[IronMexican]

What if Manny went to the Yanks?

[T Park]

What if Manny went to the Yanks?

Manny can't pitch.

[baseline bum]

Damn 10-1. TPark, you must be a happy motherfucker tonight.

[T Park]

Damn 10-1. TPark, you must be a happy motherfucker tonight.


You have NO Idea :lol

[IronMexican]

No one gave us a shot. Fucking haters.:king

[T Park]

Ya know honestly as someone whos watched the Cubs all year, you could see it coming and please don't laugh.

They aren't a fundemntally sound defensive team. Their pitching outside of Zambrano and Dempster's career year, it was mediocre.

Their hitting was always good, but it could be prone to droughts and they didn't exactly "step up" against the Diamondbacks last year as well.

Not all that together surprising, but I am a little suprised that its 10-1.

I didn't expect the meltdown to be this quick or drastic.

I was thinking they would wait till game 3 :lol

[T Park]

No one gave us a shot. Fucking haters.:king

My attitude honestly was

"They really CAN'T do it again, can they?"

Trust me though, I'm wearin Dodger Blue right now :)

[turiaf for president]

its about whos playing the best baseball down the stretch. Dodgers were playing the best in september along with the phillies. it aint over yet but thats gonna be a scary series for the dodgers

[T Park]

its about whos playing the best baseball down the stretch. Dodgers were playing the best in september along with the phillies. it aint over yet but thats gonna be a scary series for the dodgers

I see alot of the 2006 Cardinals in the Dodgers.

Getting healthy at the right time, all different players stepping up, and the MVP of the team being huge.

[T Park]

Seriously, why is Saito pitching?

Even in a close game hes not the most shut down of closers.

This is not a great situation to bring a closer into to.

Sorry I would've brought Broxton in, or a better long reliever honestly.

[IronMexican]

We've always had the pitching. Just cause you don't hear those big names the Cubs have, doesn't make us any worse than them. Bills > Any of them not names Harden. And does anyone feel bad for Sabathia? I am happy they lost today. No need for that guy to ruin his well deserved pay day.

[baseline bum]

10-3 now with 0 outs and a runner in scoring position.

[T Park]

I keep thinking tony is gonna start talking about El Cajon Ford.

[turiaf for president]

10-3 now with 0 outs and a runner in scoring position.

its over

[T Park]

We've always had the pitching. Just cause you don't hear those big names the Cubs have, doesn't make us any worse than them. Bills > Any of them not names Harden. And does anyone feel bad for Sabathia? I am happy they lost today. No need for that guy to ruin his well deserved pay day.

The pitching I would say is equal to the Cubs.

Whos going in game 3, Kershaw?

[T Park]

10-3 now with 0 outs and a runner in scoring position.

Yeah Torre has got to cut this off, and bringing in Broxton hopefully works.

This has all the signs of one of those October epic comebacks.

[IronMexican]

Kuroda.

[bostonguy]

What if Manny went to the Yanks?

:bang:bang:bang If that happens, I will throw up. I will root for Manny and Manny only. I will root for the rest of the Yanks to fuck up. However, if the Yanks were a Manny hit away from winning the world series or being eliminated, id have to root against him. I hate the Yanks that fucking much. I hate them more than any professional sports team. I'd root for Manny to have a solid regular season but i would go against the guy in the playoffs due to the team he is on. I see manny staying in LA and never even pictured the possibility of him going anywhere near New York.

Now if Manny was on any other team but the Yankees and they arent playing the Red Sox, I will support him 100%.

[baseline bum]

I'll never underestimate the Dodgers ability to choke.

[T Park]

Kuroda.

Yuck.

I'd rather pitch Kershaw, the Cubs could light him up. Although they struggle against left handed pitching.

We shall see.

[T Park]

I'll never underestimate the Dodgers ability to choke.

I think the Cubs ability to choke is gonna override it though.

halls could make a killing at this game.

[T Park]

God Dick stockton is horrible.

He just reffered to Kershaw as a "Promising young right hander"

:wallbang

[IronMexican]

Yuck.

I'd rather pitch Kershaw, the Cubs could light him up. Although they struggle against left handed pitching.

We shall see.

Same here.

And Broxton is a horrible closer.

[T Park]

Same here.

And Broxton is a horrible closer.

True, but Saito is worse.

The Dodgers should go all out for K Rod.

[T Park]

If Soto hits a homerun here, the Cubs got a great shot at winning.

[baseline bum]

I think the Cubs ability to choke is gonna override it though.

halls could make a killing at this game.

When the Cubs choke, it's usually in much more spectacular fashion though. I expect them to come back and tie this series 2-2, only to balk the winning run in during game 5.

[T Park]

Broxton's problem is he trys to throw too damn hard.

He also needs to lay off the Ore Cart at Claim Jumper.

[T Park]

When the Cubs choke, it's usually in much more spectacular fashion though. I expect them to come back and tie this series 2-2, only to balk the winning run in during game 5.

:lol

That would be nice, although selfishly I still prefer the embrassing 3 game sweep all blowouts to an inferior team.

[IronMexican]

True, but Saito is worse.

The Dodgers should go all out for K Rod.

We need that money for Manny or Sabathia. Saito will be bacck to his All Star form next year, no worries.

[turiaf for president]

nice pick by berroa. a D substitution by torre.

[T Park]

BTW, fuck the fans who voted Fukudome to the All Star game.

Skip Schumacher had more right to be there than that overrated spectacle.

[T Park]

We need that money for Manny or Sabathia. Saito will be bacck to his All Star form next year, no worries.

Manny first.

Sabathia is going to New York. Give up on that dream :lol Not enough money for both.

[Trainwreck2100]

When the Cubs choke, it's usually in much more spectacular fashion though. I expect them to come back and tie this series 2-2, only to balk the winning run in during game 5.

or a game winning HR ball hits a bird and becomes a fly out instead

[T Park]

Strike out Fuku then get Ward to ground into his patened 2nd to first out and game is over.

[T Park]

:lmao

swung at 1 ball.

Fukudome

over rated

[IronMexican]

Manny first.

Sabathia is going to New York. Give up on that dream :lol Not enough money for both.

That's why I said OR we can only get one. But CC is a Cali guy, so fingers crossed. Great pitching > Great hitting.

[T Park]

or a game winning HR ball hits a bird and becomes a fly out instead

Even the Cubs aren't that cruel.

[T Park]

That's why I said OR we can only get one. But CC is a Cali guy, so fingers crossed. Great pitching > Great hitting.

If I were you, develop the young pitching, and keep Manny Ramirez.

Sabathia is a choke in the post season and hes pitching for a new contract right now.

Resign Ramirez.

[IronMexican]

That girl they showed right now was cute. who looked like she was praying.

[T Park]

Or he could strike out.

Dodgers sweep.

Congrats Dodgers, good luck against the Phillies.

[IronMexican]

If I were you, develop the young pitching, and keep Manny Ramirez.

Sabathia is a choke in the post season and hes pitching for a new contract right now.

Resign Ramirez.

I hope Kersh can develop. Bills is already there, and he is young.

[turiaf for president]

If I were you, develop the young pitching, and keep Manny Ramirez.

Sabathia is a choke in the post season and hes pitching for a new contract right now.

Resign Ramirez.

i think anyone going on 3 days rest for 3-4 starts in a row will have a bad outing

[baseline bum]

Maybe I don't watch enough baseball, but I can't recall ever hearing fans boo the Cubs at Wrigley like this.

[T Park]

I hope Kersh can develop. Bills is already there, and he is young.

Kershaw is gonna be a stud. Hes damn near one right now.

I'd rather keep developing the pitching, resign Lowe, and resign Man Ram.

[turiaf for president]

Doyers!!!!!!!!

[T Park]

Maybe I don't watch enough baseball, but I can't recall ever hearing fans boo the Cubs at Wrigley like this.

You missed game 3 against Arizona last year :lol

[turiaf for president]

Kershaw is gonna be a stud. Hes damn near one right now.

I'd rather keep developing the pitching, resign Lowe, and resign Man Ram.

lowes gonna leave. hes a east coast guy. well thats been the speculation all year here in socal.

resign manny and try go to after CC. get rid of nomar and kent along with lowe's contract coming off the book and mccourt might spend the money to get CC. especially if the dodgers go far this post season

[IronMexican]

Kershaw is gonna be a stud. Hes damn near one right now.

I'd rather keep developing the pitching, resign Lowe, and resign Man Ram.

Lowe wants to go to an Eastern team next year.

[IronMexican]

Oh, Turiaf 4 prez beat me to it.

[turiaf for president]

^ =D. yea wish he stays but if we get CC ill pay the extra 2 bucks for beer.

[IronMexican]

LMAO! Lou was piisssed.

[IronMexican]

Did TBS show the Lou interview? I have it on Dodgers live.

[turiaf for president]

lou sounds piiiissssssssed lol. i love it

[turiaf for president]

damn now U beat me to it

[IronMexican]

For Tpark


http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-10/42720221.jpg

[Purple & Gold]

:lmao :lmao :lmao @ pacerfan and his beloved cubbies. How's that run differential working out for you shithead?? :lol :lol

[dknights411]

Hey Purplr & Gold, is L.A. going Dodger crazy now or what?

[Purple & Gold]

Hey Purplr & Gold, is L.A. going Dodger crazy now or what?

They going ManRam crazy right now. But yeah they are starting to believe.

[TheMadHatter]

Where the fuck is Pacerfan?

[Purple & Gold]

Where the fuck is Pacerfan?

He's busy trying to figure out what went wrong with his calculator.

[bostonguy]

He's busy trying to figure out what went wrong with his calculator.

Do you have a Mannywood shirt? I got it the first day it came out (I was in LA on vacation and went to a Dodgers/Phillies game) and I love it. Slick looking shirt.

[T Park]

I like when Ben maller on FSR plays Manny saying "Mannywood!"

:lol

Its hilarious, even better that he uses it now to taunt Cub fan.

[Tippecanoe]

bay just 1-upped manny

again

[bostonguy]

White sox are done. Fucking chodes. IF the red sox were to get to the alcs, i wanted them to get revenge on the white sox for 2005. I dont mind the angels but I really wanted to be the team to humilate Ozzie and his crew. Oh well. Tampa will be tough assuming Boston gets to the alcs.

[IronMexican]

Can't wait for the Dodgers tomorrow. Let's go gaylos! how are we going to ahve a free way series?

[Warlord23]

The Angel offense has choked hard with runners in scoring position tonight

[lefty]

ROFL Angels

[IronMexican]

What a choke there, Gaylos.

[Warlord23]

The Red Sox own the Angels like the Celtics own the Lakers

Must be a Boston - L.A. thing

[IronMexican]

Angels' aren't even in LA.

[bostonguy]

Angels' aren't even in LA.

:lmao:lmao Which makes me wonder why the fuck did they change their name.

[bostonguy]

Beckett in good health and him pitching sunday makes me very confident the Sox are closing this out in a sweep. He is a great pitcher when it comes to the postseason plus the Sox smell blood. They are showing that championship swagger and I love it.

[Whisky Dog]

so, how has the playoff experience been, Mark Texiera?

Worth all the bitching you had to do to get there?

[baseline bum]

Get the broom. The Cubs are done.

[ducks]

cubs are playing like like jr variesity

dodgers are not beating them they are beating themselves
you can not have all those errors
and that tag on martin was foolish
he had him

[ducks]

Beckett in good health and him pitching sunday makes me very confident the Sox are closing this out in a sweep. He is a great pitcher when it comes to the postseason plus the Sox smell blood. They are showing that championship swagger and I love it.

bay>manny huh:hat

[T Park]

Get the broom. The Cubs are done.

Couldn't happen to a better bunch of guys.

[ducks]

then doders will get swepted

[T Park]

swepted?

[ducks]

yep
and cubs manager is overrated
this batters are all trying to hit homeruns and get base hits
does he not know how to manage

[T Park]

:lmao

This is awesome!

Where are all the Cub fans that told me all year "THIS YEAR IS DIFFERENT!!!!"

:lmao

Owned again

[ducks]

they need baserunners

[T Park]

yep
and cubs manager is overrated
this batters are all trying to hit homeruns and get base hits
does he not know how to manage



Pinella > Melvin

[T Park]

Over rated

clap clap clapclapclap

Fukudome

clap clap clapclapclap

over rated

clap clap clapclapclap

[ducks]

took dodgers 20 years to win a playoff series

[baseline bum]

Choking fucks down to their last out.

[T Park]

2 down

fire up them whiskey bottles cubbies :lmao

[baseline bum]

Time for Soriano to blow it one last time.

[baseline bum]

Last pitch of the Cubs season coming up...

[ducks]

cubs need to trade these players
they play as well as alex rod in the playoffs

[T Park]

Dick Stockton is pathetic

[baseline bum]

Called that shit... knew he was going down on 3 pitches!

[T Park]

Broxton = Wainwright 06

dude is humming identical

[baseline bum]

Worse chokers? 2008 Cubs or 2007 Mavs?

[T Park]

Called that shit... knew he was going down on 3 pitches!

Another overrated overpaid Cub

:lol

Hey JimmY Edmonds wanna say "fuck st louis" again dickhead?




Hey Cubfan


what do the Cardinals and Cubs have in common for the second straight season?



THE SAME AMOUNT OF PLAYOFF WINS BITCHES :lmao

OWNED AGAIN



Fuck it, me and the boys are going out to celebrate again

[T Park]

Worse chokers? 2008 Cubs or 2007 Mavs?

2008 Cubs

The Warriors at least had visible talent.


:lmao

Like Cubfan didn't see this coming

[baseline bum]

Fucking pathetic... Soriano goes 1 for 14 in the series. He's approaching Pittsburgh Bonds level in the playoffs.

[T Park]

Baseball's playoffs are so awesome

[T Park]

Theres the assistant GM to Coletti whos gonna be the GM in Seattle.

Especially after this

[ducks]

Fucking pathetic... Soriano goes 1 for 14 in the series. He's approaching Pittsburgh Bonds level in the playoffs.

no alex rod... level

[T Park]

Manny Ramirez is one of the most clutch mfers I've ever seen

[baseline bum]

LMAO @ Ramirez getting intentionally walked twice. No love for teams playing scared like that.

[ducks]

Manny Ramirez is one of the most clutch mfers I've ever seen
bay has been more clutch this postseason so far

[T Park]

no alex rod... level

Go wikipedia Barry Bonds in Pittsburgh dumbfuck

[T Park]

I haven't the slightest clue about baseball and I'm just talking out of my shortbus ass


Yeah I figured so.

[ducks]

good pitching wins games
not o
6 runs for cubs in 3 games
most runs scored in regular season though

[T Park]

bay has been more clutch this postseason so far


To expand on this


How many fucking WS MVPs has Bay won compared to manny Ramirez?

Thats right

NONE.

STFU

[ducks]

Go wikipedia Barry Bonds in Pittsburgh dumbfuck

go there with alex
he is paid to deliever by far more money
and faiLS worse

[ducks]

To expand on this


How many fucking WS MVPs has Bay won compared to manny Ramirez?

Thats right

NONE.

STFU
I SAID THIS POSTSEASON

MANNY ALSO DESTORS CHEMISTRY




DO YOU WANT HIM WITH THE CARDS?

[ducks]

Is La Actually Going To Pay Manny A Long Term Contract With Big Bucks

[ducks]

Cubs Had 3 Different Starting Lineups Why

Why Do Things Differently Manager?

[baseline bum]

I SAID THIS POSTSEASON

MANNY ALSO DESTORS CHEMISTRY




DO YOU WANT HIM WITH THE CARDS?

Considering they won 2 WS with him as their best player after they hadn't won in like 80 years, bringing him to Boston was pretty clearly a complete success.

[T Park]

Because Pinella is a mediocre manager.

He couldn't do jack squat with a VERY talented Mariners roster, he couldn't motivate or improve the Devil Rays at all, and again, hes doing jack squat with a very talented Cubs team.


IMO, Pinella should take a very heavy amount of the blame on this season lost.



BTW, Joe Torre has cemented his place as one of the best managers ever with this.

Damn damn damn good manager.

Still IMO, the manager of the year.

[T Park]

I SAID THIS POSTSEASON

MANNY ALSO DESTORS CHEMISTRY




DO YOU WANT HIM WITH THE CARDS?

Hell yes I'd take Manny Ramirez in left.


Pujols
Ramirez
Ludwick

Are you freaking kidding me?

That would be the new murderers row

[IronMexican]

Ahhhhhhh!!!!!!

[IronMexican]

I came here just to say hi from celebrateing. peeeeeeaaaaaaacccccceeeeeeee!

[T Park]

Hell yeah Iron Mex :)

Party it up

take a Jaeger shot for me bro

[Whisky Dog]

Bay has been damn productive against a better team in the Angels than what the playoff Cubs are. Bay has been damn impressive.

Damn, the Cubs suck. My brother is a Cubs fan so I wanted a good series, but they're shitty and it all starts with the manager. He fucked up last year in the playoffs with shitty decisions and he fucked up this year. Find a real manager.

[T Park]

Bay has been damn productive against a better team in the Angels than what the playoff Cubs are. Bay has been damn impressive.

Damn, the Cubs suck. My brother is a Cubs fan so I wanted a good series, but they're shitty and it all starts with the manager. He fucked up last year in the playoffs with shitty decisions and he fucked up this year. Find a real manager.


The playoff angels are just as bad.

[bostonguy]

Tomorrow the Red Sox will finish off the Angels. Beckett is healthy and is good to go! Not good news for the Angels when you have to face a badass postseason pitcher with your season on the line.:king

[Biernutz]

Simple--the Cubs didn't hit --Is the Dodgers pitching that good? It looked like when the Cubs lost the first game at home , they started pressing and they never recovered. They gave up. Can't blame this on the goat or Barkman. Even Father Merrin, Father Karras, can't help this bunch-----:loser

[Whisky Dog]

The playoff angels are just as bad.

Only against the Red Sox. This is a team that has won series, beat the Yanks, and won a world series this decade. They just can't solve the red sox. Very different from the Cubs.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

That's a good start for the Brewers.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Suppan got out of that little jam very nicely.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Might wanna get Suppan outta there... Damn.

[AFBlue]

The playoff angels are just as bad.

More like the Playoff Red Sox are really good of late. And Bay has stepped into a spot where he's replacing one of the great postseason performers...and he's holding his own.

As someone who follows the Rays, I can only hope the Angels put something together and draw the series out...but I doubt it'll happen.

Looks like Rays v. Red Sox is almost guaranteed at this point. Should be entertaining...

[turiaf for president]

i was at the game last night. fucking awesome 1st inning. that got the whole stadium up and crazy and it held up all night. after the game players came to the stands and that was cool too.

ducks honestly just stfu. u really think ANYBODY would take bay over manny? he might not be a clubhouse guy in boston but its cuz he didnt like how EVERYONE recognized him where ever he went. in la he goes out and he said most people dont even know who he is. Is he a bitch for pouting in boston? maybe but hes happy in LA and we are riding him to the world series biatch!

[Whisky Dog]

Bay is a much better defensive player and has performed offensively giving the clutch hits and power shots. Right now, he's stepping up BIG time. Don't sell him short just cause you've got ManRam's cock in your mouth.

[Purple & Gold]

Don't sleep on the Dodgers muthafuckas :toast

[Purple & Gold]

Bay is a much better defensive player and has performed offensively giving the clutch hits and power shots. Right now, he's stepping up BIG time. Don't sell him short just cause you've got ManRam's cock in your mouth.

You keep Bay, we'll keep Manny. Deal

[turiaf for president]

Bay is a much better defensive player and has performed offensively giving the clutch hits and power shots. Right now, he's stepping up BIG time. Don't sell him short just cause you've got ManRam's cock in your mouth.

bays a nice player but to compare him to man ram is like comparing john starks to jordan. or michael redd to kobe bryant

[lefty]

ROFL Angels

[TomBrady]

God the Angels are pathetic. They lack mental toughness and will get swept in all likelihood.

[SAtown]

Tie game

[lefty]

This game is intense

[lefty]

Holy shit

[IronMexican]

Let's go Anaheim.

[lefty]

Well, I have to go zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[IronMexican]

Sucks for east coasters. Barely 9:30 here. It can suck when games start too early too.


Woo!

[T Park]

:lol

0 for 5

wow thats one clutch game from Mr clutcherandbetterthanRamirez

[ALWAYS bet on BLACK]

tpark, give me your analysis on this game.

[T Park]

didn't watch it, so couldn't tell you.

[bostonguy]

What a heartbreaking loss. Beckett looked pathetic out there today. The Angels refused to die and props to them for that. Winner of tomorrows game wins the series.