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Nbadan
10-01-2008, 09:22 PM
It says that for nearly two years the CIA knew that two of the 9/11 hijackers, Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar, were al-Qaeda agents living in the US and yet deliberately kept this info from the FBI and did nothing about it. Then after 9/11, there was a conspiracy to keep this scandal from going public.

FBI Prevents Agents from Telling 'Truth' About 9/11 on PBS
By Jeff Stein | October 1, 2008 6:00 AM



The FBI has blocked two of its veteran counterterrorism agents from going public with accusations that the CIA deliberately withheld crucial intelligence before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

FBI Special Agents Mark Rossini and Douglas Miller have asked for permission to appear in an upcoming public television documentary, scheduled to air in January, on pre-9/11 rivalries between the CIA, FBI and National Security Agency.

The program is a spin-off from The Shadow Factory: The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America, by acclaimed investigative reporter James Bamford, due out in a matter of days.

The FBI denied Rossini and Miller permission to participate in the book or the PBS "NOVA" documentary, which is also being written and produced by Bamford, on grounds that the FBI "doesn't want to stir up old conflicts with the CIA," according to multiple reliable sources.
Bamford, contacted by phone, said he could not comment because his publisher has embargoed his new book for release around Oct. 10.

The author of two other ground-breaking books on the NSA, Bamford also said his general policy is not to discuss his negotiations for interviews with intelligence agencies.

Pre-9/11 intelligence mishaps have been generally attributed to bureaucratic screw-ups -- a "failure to connect the dots," exacerbated by spy agency rivalries.

But Rossini and Miller, who were assigned to the CIA-run Counterterrorist Center during the run-up to the 9/11 attacks, are prepared to describe on camera how the CIA blocked them from sharing crucial intelligence with FBI headquarters - and then later pressured them not to tell the truth to investigators.

CQ Politics (http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/spytalk/2008/10/fbi-prevents-agents-from-telli.html)

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Another intelligence source said the CIA feared that if FBI headquarters learned of the suspects' arrival in the U.S., it would try to arrest them -- and bust up a sensitive CIA operation to penetrate al Qaeda.

Mihdhar and Hazmi were plotting an attack outside of the United States, the CIA believed, and wanted the FBI to stay clear of them.

"They said it has nothing to do with the FBI, the next attack will be in Southeast Asia," said a source familiar with the details. "They said, 'It's none of your business.'"

Rossini and other FBI counterterrorism agents were furious, according to a knowledgeable source. The FBI is responsible for investigating domestic-based plots.

"They're here!" Rossini protested to his CTC bosses. "It is FBI business."

Yet amazingly, people who point out this stuff out are still called "conspiracy theorists."

:rolleyes

mookie2001
10-01-2008, 09:27 PM
Yet amazingly, people who point out this stuff out are still called "conspiracy theorists."

:rolleyes
dan ive got links to some dudes with youtubes who have debunked everything!/dumper

Nbadan
10-01-2008, 09:34 PM
:lol Nice Mookie...


It's becoming increasingly obvious that the CIA knew about these two hijackers for a long time, and it's very hard to believe that they could have known about them and not learned of the other 9/11 hijackers, as Alhamzi and Almihdhar kept in regular contact with many of them by phone and sometimes even visited them in person. And its hard to imagine that the CIA would not have learned about the 9/11 plot itself because these hijackers were not very circumspect. For instance, shortly after Almihdhar arrived in San Diego in early 2000, he told an acquiantance (Mohdar Abdullah) that he was in the US as part of a plot to crash a plane into a building.

It's also not very likely that the CIA didn't know what these two guys were doing because they were in the US and the CIA was prohibited from conducting surveillance in the US. The two guys were frequently calling a known al-Qaeda hub in Yemen that was being intensively watched by the CIA and NSA, and sometimes Almihdhar traveled from the US to stay at the hub for up to a month. This hub was considered so red hot that not only were its phones tapped, but there was constant audio and video surveillance of the building, too. It beggars belief that he wouldn't have talked about the 9/11 plot with al-Qaeda associates living in the hub, including his own close relatives who were al-Qaeda, since we know he was freely talking about the plot to other associates around the same time.

The CIA cover story mentioned in the link above, that the CIA thought these guys were working on a Southeast Asia plot and didn't want the FBI to muck it up, just isn't credible. Even Bush's counterterrorism "tsar" Richard Clarke discusses the mystery of what the CIA knew about Alhazmi and Almihdhar for several pages in his new book "Your Government Failed You" and basically admits he can't figure out just how much the CIA knew and why they didn't tell the FBI or act on the info.

I look forward to this new book, but I'm sure there's even more about these two hijackers that has yet to come out. We know the CIA monitored Alhamzi and Almihdhar attending an al-Qaeda summit in Malaysia in early 2000 that was attended by a number of key al-Qaeda figures, including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. We know, from counterterrorism expert Rohan Gunaratna who has unique access to classified US government material, that the 9/11 plot was discussed at that summit. It seems likely to me that the CIA did not just accidentally lose track of these guys shortly after the summit and then forget to tell the FBI what it knew. Instead, they followed them all the while from that point on and had a very good idea what they were up to. One can argue why the CIA didn't do anything about it, but it's becoming increasingly clear that the CIA knew more than enough info to stop the 9/11 attacks but did not do so, and then covered this up afterwards.

History commons (http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&complete_911_timeline_alhazmi_and_almihdhar__speci fic_cas=complete_911_timeline_cia_hiding_alhazmi__ _almihdhar)

The Power Hour.
10-01-2008, 09:44 PM
You could take a dump in ChumpDumper's mouth and Chump will find a way to debunk the dump.

xeromass
10-01-2008, 11:15 PM
They knew that shit is about to happen but still did nothing. Typical case of asleep at the wheel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_advance-knowledge_debate#Intelligence_warnings

The 9/11 Commission Report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission_Report) states that "the 9/11 attacks were a shock, but they should not have come as a surprise. Islamic extremists had given plenty of warnings that they meant to kill Americans indiscriminately and in large numbers."[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_advance-knowledge_debate#cite_note-29) The Report continued:
"During the spring and summer of 2001, U.S. intelligence agencies received a stream of warnings about an attack al Qaeda planned, as one report puts it "something very, very, very big." Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet told us "the system was blinking red.""[31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_advance-knowledge_debate#cite_note-30)
The US administration, CIA and FBI received multiple prior warnings from foreign governments and intelligence services, including France, Germany, the UK, Israel, Jordan, Afghanistan, Egypt, Morocco and Russia.[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_advance-knowledge_debate#cite_note-autogenerated6-31)The warnings varied in their level of detail, but all stated that they believed an Al Qaeda attack inside the United States was imminent. British Member of Parliament Michael Meacher cites these warnings, suggesting that some of them must have been deliberately ignored.[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_advance-knowledge_debate#cite_note-32) Some of these warnings include the following:
March 2001 - Italian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy) intelligence warns of an al Qaeda plot in the United States involving a massive strike involving aircraft, based on their wiretap of al Qaeda cell in Milan.
July 2001 - Jordanian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan) intelligence told US officials that al-Qaeda was planning an attack on American soil, and Egyptian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt) intelligence warned the CIA that 20 al Qaeda jihadists were in the United States, and that four of them were receiving flight training.
August 2001 - The Israeli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) Mossad gives the CIA a list of 19 terrorists living in the US and say that they appear to be planning to carry out an attack in the near future.
August 2001 - The UK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK) is warned three times of an imminent al Qaeda attack in the United States, the third specifying multiple airplane hijackings. According to the Sunday Herald, the report is passed on to President Bush a short time later.
September 2001 - Egyptian intelligence warns American officials that al Qaeda is in the advanced stages of executing a significant operation against an American target, probably within the US.

mouse
10-02-2008, 01:09 AM
You could take a dump in ChumpDumper's mouth and Chump will find a way to debunk the dump.

But with all the shit that already comes out of his mouth, how will we truly know if he knows his shit, or is full of shit?

:wakeup

ChumpDumper
10-02-2008, 02:14 AM
I hate to break this to you guys, but the fact that the CIA and FBI did not share information is very old news. About seven years old.

You guys are welcome to have a circle jerk if one of you ever posts what he actually thinks happened on 9/11.

I've been waiting seven years on that one.