Ok Chump...

[whottt]

Governorship of Alaska:

Overseas multiple joint governmental co-op projects between the Government of Russia and the State of Alaska.

Overseas multiple joint co-op projects between the Governent of Candada and the State of Alaska.


Russia and Alaska are strong economic trading partners....as well as cultural exchange partners.


Alaska shares commercial fishing waters with Russia, China, Japan and South Korea.


And yes...the Russians do fly over Alaskan airspace.

You alrweady know the shit about MDSm that she may or not be privvy too(and if she is they aren't going to announce it because of the security clearance, common sense says she does know something if only due to the chain of command) and the active duty National Guard which she has commanded.



You can poo poo it all you want...and I will instantly brand you an idiot and ask you what Governorship gives you more experience. Clinton, Bush and Reagan didn't have that kind of experience...the only Governorship that might rival it is New York due to the UN being there.


And she did negotiate a pipeline deal with the Canadian Government...you tell me when Clinton, Bush or Reagan did that.


Suck it.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao Russians do not fly over Alaskan airspace. Are you as dumb as her? Don't make me post the fucking picture.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao oh and she's not in the chain of command for anything having to do with the airspace. The national guard has shit to do with actually guarding the nations borders.

[whottt]

:lmao oh and she's not in the chain of command for anything having to do with the airspace. The national guard has shit to do with actually guarding the nations borders.



The National Guard of Alaska is always on duty. Even though the General in command said otherwise, as the civillian CIC of the military I guarantee you she is in the chan of command at some point. That's inherent in the powers of every Governorship.


So like I was sayin' Manny...how much experience did Clinton, Reagan and Bush have?


Anaswer=Less

Invalid criticism.

[whottt]

:lmao Russians do not fly over Alaskan airspace. Are you as dumb as her? Don't make me post the fucking picture.

Post the picture, but be sure to read this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/25/politics/fromtheroad/entry4479278.shtml


From CBS News' Scott Conroy:

(PHILADELPHIA) In her role as Commander-in-Chief of the Alaska National Guard, Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin has received briefings on Russian military plane incursions near Alaskan airspace, an Alaska National Guard spokesman confirms to CBS News.

Since she joined the Republican ticket nearly a month ago, the McCain campaign has struggled to defend Palin’s foreign policy experience, especially in regard to a special awareness of Russia, which she and her campaign have repeatedly suggested she possesses. The revelation that Palin was briefed on Russian military incursions near U.S. airspace is the first concrete evidence that backs up the McCain campaign’s repeated assertion that Alaska’s proximity to Siberia has given Palin experience on U.S. policy related to Russia.

“Russian incursions near Alaskan airspace and inside the air defense identification zone have occurred,” a McCain campaign spokesperson told CBS News. “When they do, Governor Palin is briefed on them by the Adjutant General of the Alaska National Guard. U.S Air Force fighters have been scrambled repeatedly in response to Russian actions. After September 11, 2001, U.S. tolerance for such activities is understandably low.”

Captain Guy Hayes, an Alaska National Guard Public Affairs Officer, confirmed that Palin has received such briefings from Adjutant General Craig E. Campbell on Russian plane incursions.

“Guardsmen do work in the section that patrols the air over Alaska,” Hayes added.

It may sound like a cat and mouse game more reminiscent of the Cold War than the post-9/11 world, but Russian bombers have recently engaged in exercises in which they have flown provocatively close to Alaskan airspace.

The revelation that Palin has received briefings on these activities comes after she again seemed to struggle to explain how her state’s proximity to Russia enhances her foreign policy credentials in an interview with CBS News’ Katie Couric.

Pressed on the details of her involvement in Russian affairs, Palin did not mention the briefings she has received on the plane incursions. She did, however, point out that Alaska has a tiny maritime border with Russia (the vast majority of Alaska’s coast borders international waters). But as governor and in her Alaska National Guard role, Palin is not involved in discussions on maritime security.

“That’s a Coast Guard duty when you’re talking about maritime,” Captain Hayes said.

Palin also offered as evidence of her experience on Russia, “We have trade missions back and forth, we do. It’s very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia.”

But Palin has never been to Russia, and the McCain campaign has provided no evidence of any personal involvement she has had in negotiations with Russian trade officials.

According to Martha Olcott, a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment of International Peace, Palin may have had more direct involvement in Russian trade had she been governor during the early 1990s, when it was common for officials to fly between Anchorage and the Russian far-east port city of Vladivostok.

“She would’ve gone on a trade delegation if trade with Russia was still important with Alaska,” Olcott said. “I’m sure she would’ve gone. The energy development in Russia and the energy development in Alaska have been moving very separately. The way Alaska is developing energy is not in concert with the way Russia is developing energy, with the exception of Arctic assets, but that’s being handled at a federal level. That’s not been a state issue.”

In a final effort to provide details of her experience on Russia, Palin suggested to Couric that Russian leaders fly over Alaskan territory when they travel to the U.S.

“As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where do they go? It’s Alaska,” Palin said. “It’s just right over the border.”

But when Russian leaders travel to the United States from Moscow, such as when then Prime Minister Vladimir Putin visited the White House in 2005, their flights travel on a westerly path over the Atlantic, thousands of miles from Alaskan airspace.




And then apologize to the lady....because they don't do that shit in Arkansas.

[whottt]

:lmao oh and she's not in the chain of command for anything having to do with the airspace. The national guard has shit to do with actually guarding the nations borders.



Yeah she's not in the chain of command at all....

[MannyIsGod]

The National Guard of Alaska is always on duty. Even though the General in command said otherwise, as the civillian CIC of the military I guarantee you she is in the chan of command at some point. That's inherent in the powers of every Governorship.


So like I was sayin' Manny...how much experience did Clinton, Reagan and Bush have?


Anaswer=Less

Invalid criticism.

These words, chain of command, I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

Sarah Palin is NOT in the chain of command regarding defending 1 mile of United States air space. Lets see if you can figure out why this is fact.

[MannyIsGod]

Your highlighting of those passages just proves you have no idea what a chain of command is Whottt. Here's a hint: Not everyone with access to information is in a chain of command. Still, lets see if you can figure it on your own.

Also, Please note that an air identification zone is NOT the US Airspace. You said they flew into Alaskan airspace. This was blatantly false.

[whottt]

These words, chain of command, I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

Sarah Palin is NOT in the chain of command regarding defending 1 mile of United States air space. Lets see if you can figure out why this is fact.


Well let's see...she's Commander in Chief of the Alaskan National Guard and you don't think they have the Governor included in the line of succession in the event of emergency?


Tha'ts a ridiculous notion...and that puts her in the chain of command, even not a normally active.


But generally speaking...she's the CIC, so if you think that's not in the chain of command...I don't know what is.




So what did Clinton do in Arkansas?

Jack shit...which make this entire argument a double standard.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh and once a national guard unit is on active duty, they are no longer under control of the state. Do you see why?

[Ginofan]

I'm pretty sure "near Alaskan airspace" does not mean IN Alaskan airspace...

[MannyIsGod]

Well let's see...she's Commander in Chief of the Alaskan National Guard and you don't think they have the Governor included in the line of succession in the event of emergency?


Tha'ts a ridiculous notion...and that puts her in the chain of command, even not a normally active.


But generally speaking...she's the CIC, so if you think that's not in the chain of command...I don't know what is.




So what did Clinton do in Arkansas?

She's absolutely not in the chain of command. You think she could give orders regarding an incursion of Russian aircraft?

You know this document called the Constitution?

IT MAKES THAT ILLEGAL

[Cry Havoc]

Governorship of Alaska:

Overseas multiple joint governmental co-op projects between the Government of Russia and the State of Alaska.

Overseas multiple joint co-op projects between the Governent of Candada and the State of Alaska.


Russia and Alaska are strong economic trading partners....as well as cultural exchange partners.


Alaska shares commercial fishing waters with Russia, China, Japan and South Korea.


And yes...the Russians do fly over Alaskan airspace.

You alrweady know the shit about MDSm that she may or not be privvy too(and if she is they aren't going to announce it because of the security clearance, common sense says she does know something if only due to the chain of command) and the active duty National Guard which she has commanded.



You can poo poo it all you want...and I will instantly brand you an idiot and ask you what Governorship gives you more experience. Clinton, Bush and Reagan didn't have that kind of experience...the only Governorship that might rival it is New York due to the UN being there.


And she did negotiate a pipeline deal with the Canadian Government...you tell me when Clinton, Bush or Reagan did that.


Suck it.

Wow, so she's got all that experience and she has no idea what she's doing?

She's less intelligent than I thought, in that case.

[MannyIsGod]

Well let's see...she's Commander in Chief of the Alaskan National Guard and you don't think they have the Governor included in the line of succession in the event of emergency?


Tha'ts a ridiculous notion...and that puts her in the chain of command, even not a normally active.


But generally speaking...she's the CIC, so if you think that's not in the chain of command...I don't know what is.




So what did Clinton do in Arkansas?

Jack shit...which make this entire argument a double standard.

She's CIC of a state level police force. She's not the CIC of any active US military units.

Once again, THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION has a bit to say on this matter.

[JoeChalupa]

The National Guard of Alaska is always on duty. Even though the General in command said otherwise, as the civillian CIC of the military I guarantee you she is in the chan of command at some point. That's inherent in the powers of every Governorship.


So like I was sayin' Manny...how much experience did Clinton, Reagan and Bush have?


Anaswer=Less

Invalid criticism.

Uh...sorry...but Palin is no Reagan or Clinton...but she is a Bush wanting to be VP.

[whottt]

Oh and once a national guard unit is on active duty, they are no longer under control of the state. Do you see why?


Yeah but the US military and the Government work by separating the leaders, they always have a line of succession with the potential commanders separated....they don't centralize that sort of thing and keep them all in the same place. THey don't do it with anything...even their information was de-centralized.


The internet is proof of it.




And of course she's in that line of sucession at some point...of course she would be.


She can't talk about that stuff if it's involved in the National Security Plan.




So, what did Regan do in California?

[whottt]

She's not an idiot guys...idiots don't get 85% approval ratings.

[ElNono]

She can't talk about that stuff if it's involved in the National Security Plan.

:lmao

[ElNono]

She's not an idiot guys...idiots don't get 85% approval ratings.

You sure are... again, pulling shit out of your ass...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Its always fun seeing whottt get his ass handed to him and these last couple of days have been quite entertaining.

Weird though, I remember whottt being better at this...

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao She's in NO line of succession. You're a fucking moron if you believe that.

Here's the chain of command.

Pilot>command officer>Norad>President

No where in that chain is there any room for a fucking governor or any other state official. I think its hillarious you would think a state official would have any authority over a US active military unit. You obviously have no understanding on the seperation of powers laid out by the document that happens to govern all of us.

[MannyIsGod]

Jesus Christ go spin the fucking MI withdrawl of McCain's campaign. If this is the level of your game tonight you might as well just stop posting now.

[MannyIsGod]

Whottt, ONE word answer: Yes or No

Is an American state official able to give an order to an active US military unit?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Whottt, ONE word answer: Yes or No

Is an American state official able to give an order to an active US military unit?


this should be fun :corn:

[ElNono]

Whottt, ONE word answer: Yes or No

Is an American state official able to give an order to an active US military unit?

Watch it, here comes the name calling, followed by the announcement that you made it into his ignore list... :lol

[Cry Havoc]

Whottt, ONE word answer: Yes or No

Is an American state official able to give an order to an active US military unit?

Of course they can. And if you've heard different it's only because the liberal media elite is twisting words to lie to you about military procedure.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

whottt's "yes or no" answers are about 2000 words long, so this should take a while :lol

[sook]

NUKILAR WHOTTT..THEY MIGHT TURN NUKILAR.

Where have we heard that before.

she sodomizes proper grammar, can't speak coherently and cries about Alaska 24/7 i think i speak for everyone when i say i can't stand this bitch :bang

[Shastafarian]

This thread is all kinds of awesome. I can't wait to see what his answer is. :lol

[whottt]

Holy fucking shit I can't believe how little Manny knows.

#1. Ceding to Federal Authority is most definitely being in the chain of command...that's a fucking ludicrous notion.


This temporarily ended with the John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007, a federal law that established the governor of a state was no longer the sole commander in chief of the National Guard during emergencies within the state. The President of the United States would then be able to take control of a state's National Guard units without the governor's consent.[3] In a letter to Congress all 50 governors opposed the increase in power of the president over the National Guard.[4] These changes were repealed in 2008, restoring full command within a state to that state's governor. This restoration of gubernatorial authority occurred by repealing the 2006 amendments to the Insurrection Act.
.[3]

So even by your ultra strict definition...you're wrong.

Link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander-in-Chief


Fact.


Furthermore it's typical of the powers of all Governors to be able to use the Guard to repel invasions, to supress insurgencies, to handle emegencies.

Look at virtually decription of any Gubenatorial Powers and they have that power.


In the absence of a Federal Response and if she is being invaded, she most certainly is in command against a foreign power, that is also being in the chain of command.


I can't believe you tried to twist it into this ultra narrow definition, which is inaccurate and then tell me I was wrong.


She is part of the chain of command. She is in the line of succession...and I was not wrong about anything.

[whottt]

And BTW, what'd Bush do as Governor?


It's a fucking lame pussy criticism..and she shoves it up everybodies ass. Especially Barrack Obama...who has never commanded shit.

[whottt]

Stupid fucks in this thread...how come it's always the stupidest people that think they're right when they're completely wrong.

[CubanMustGo]

Stupid fucks in this thread...how come it's always the stupidest people that think they're right when they're completely wrong.

You tell us.

[Shastafarian]

I wonder who's gonna realize first they're not totally talking about the same thing...

[Jeff Probst]

If Tpark and Yonnivore had a child it would be Whottt

[shelshor]

...
So what did Clinton do in Arkansas?
...
IIRC there was a conspiracy theory that he ordered the Arkansas National Guard to guard plane loads of cocaine while they were being either refueled or unloaded for distribution

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Stupid fucks in this thread...how come it's always the stupidest people that think they're right when they're completely wrong.

Palin repelled quite a lot of invasions, did she?

Only an absolute fucking idiot like yourself would think a violation of airspace constitutes a full on invasion or even a fucking emergency.

Face it whottt, you're slipping in your old age :lol

[RandomGuy]

Uh...sorry...but Palin is no Reagan or Clinton...but she is a Bush wanting to be VP.

That is giving her a bit too much credit. She is a less-educated Dan Quayle wanting to be VP.

The only thing that is keeping her from a "potatoe" moment is the total lack of media access to her.

[RandomGuy]

Stupid fucks in this thread...how come it's always the stupidest people that think they're right when they're completely wrong.

:lmao

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

Any more irony, and I will need to give you my shirts so you can get the wrinkles out. ;)

[Ya Vez]

:lmao oh and she's not in the chain of command for anything having to do with the airspace. The national guard has shit to do with actually guarding the nations borders.

Actually the military has civilian oversight from the national guard to the full time army..

[Findog]

She's not an idiot guys...idiots don't get 85% approval ratings.

85% with whom?

[whottt]

:lmao

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

Any more irony, and I will need to give you my shirts so you can get the wrinkles out. ;)



Capital Gains...


Whereas I know exactly how the chain of command works...and I provided proof.

[MannyIsGod]

Holy fucking shit I can't believe how little Manny knows.

#1. Ceding to Federal Authority is most definitely being in the chain of command...that's a fucking ludicrous notion.



So even by your ultra strict definition...you're wrong.

Link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander-in-Chief


Fact.


Furthermore it's typical of the powers of all Governors to be able to use the Guard to repel invasions, to supress insurgencies, to handle emegencies.

Look at virtually decription of any Gubenatorial Powers and they have that power.


In the absence of a Federal Response and if she is being invaded, she most certainly is in command against a foreign power, that is also being in the chain of command.


I can't believe you tried to twist it into this ultra narrow definition, which is inaccurate and then tell me I was wrong.


She is part of the chain of command. She is in the line of succession...and I was not wrong about anything.

I'm sorry is DC going to go missing? You realize why this is irrelevant today? I'm sorry but Im living in the world post Alexander Grahm Bell. Are you?

[whottt]

I'm sorry is DC going to go missing? You realize why this is irrelevant today? I'm sorry but Im living in the world post Alexander Grahm Bell. Are you?


Um...and she Governs a state outside of the Continental United States that just so happens to be closer to Russia than it is to the rest of the US.

Alaska is only 2.5 miles from Russia at their closest territorial points.

It's called fail safe and the lack of it is a sign of incompetence....I mean incompetence even by Governmental standards.

[MannyIsGod]

Um...and she Governs a state outside of the Continental United States that just so happens to be closer to Russia than it is to the rest of the US.

Alaska is only 2.5 miles from Russia at their closest territorial points.

It's called fail safe and the lack of it is a sign of incompetence....I mean incompetence even by Governmental standards.

:lmao

Its soooooooooooooo far. They can see Russia. Guess what, phones still work there. If Russians came over the border Palin would not issue a single military order.

I'm sorry I didn't recognize how important she was as a fucking billionth level fail safe. Good job in finding that important fact we've all missed out on.

[whottt]

:lmao

Its soooooooooooooo far. They can see Russia. Guess what, phones still work there. If Russians came over the border Palin would not issue a single military order.


Depends on if the guard was under Federal Control or not...in most cases you'd be right, however that's not true under every scenario. Hence...she's in the chain of command.


Governors have the power to call up the Guard for the purpose of repelling an invasion...is it unlikely she'd ever have to do that? Yes. Does that mean there's no line of sucession that would give her the ability to do that? No.

[clambake]

she's never been to that island. hell, the people living there throw their garbage in the water.

[whottt]

she's never been to that island. hell, the people living there throw their garbage in the water.



I can see Russia from my house



GFY

[RandomGuy]

Governors command the National Guard when the units are not in Federal Service.

Invasion=Instant Federal Service

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Sarah Palin as Alaska National Guard commander

The job involves important managerial responsibilities but provides little, if any, foreign policy experience, military officials say.

By Julian E. Barnes, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 6, 2008
WASHINGTON -- Seeking to buttress the foreign policy credentials of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Republicans have repeatedly cited the vice presidential nominee's experience as commander of the Alaska National Guard.

As governor, Palin oversees military units whose duties include serving overseas, search-and-rescue missions across the state's vast landscape and manning key elements of the U.S. missile defense system at Ft. Greely.



Photos: Sarah Palin, north star Media on the defensive over Palin...Tickets stake out the same territory
Palin appears to disagree with McCain on sex education
Sarah Palin: the making of the candidate

But foreign deployments of Guard units and the operation of national defense assets like the Ft. Greely missile interceptors are not the responsibility of state governors. Those functions come under the regular U.S. military chain of command.

Commanding the Alaska National Guard is hardly an insignificant job, military officials say. Still, they acknowledge that it provides little, if any, foreign policy experience.

Overseeing a state Guard is a "chief executive role" with real management responsibilities, said Mark Allen, a spokesman for the National Guard Bureau, the federal office that coordinates state National Guards.


"I don't think people should think it is a casual relationship, or is like the king putting on the medals," Allen said. "It is not that at all. But the role of the governor is to use the Guard to help the citizens of a state, as opposed to declaring war on a neighboring state."

The Alaska National Guard is unusual in that its jobs include manning part of the U.S. missile defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion works on interceptor missiles designed to shoot down intercontinental missiles.

Members of the Alaska National Guard also were deployed to Iraq, and Palin visited their unit in July 2007. The McCain campaign has pointed to that experience as an example of Palin's foreign policy background.

"She's been the commander of Alaska's National Guard, who's been deployed overseas," Tucker Bounds, a McCain spokesman, said on CNN in one of several recent references to Palin's gubernatorial responsibility for the Guard. "That's foreign policy experience."

Since governors have no role in overseeing Guard members federalized for service in Iraq, military experts said that should not count as foreign policy experience.
National Guard officials said visits such as Palin's trip to Iraq may be important because state officials can lobby the federal government for better training and more equipment if they are needed. There is no indication that during her trip Palin found major problems with how the Alaska Guard was trained or equipped.

Closer to home, the bread-and-butter duties of most state National Guards are natural disasters. During Palin's 21 months in office, there has been one declared disaster: widespread flooding in June and July this year. Palin quickly signed a disaster declaration, officials said. The Guard's role was limited to providing two water tanks and 30,000 sandbags to local authorities.

The Alaska Air National Guard, with 1,946 service members, is involved in an exceptional number of search-and-rescue missions. Since Palin became governor in December 2006, the Air Guard has flown 521 missions, saving 200 lives and assisting with the rescue of 77 more people, said Kalei Brooks, a spokeswoman for the Alaska Department of Military and Veterans Affairs.

"Our rescue squadron is the busiest in the nation," she said.

In recent years, the department has overseen a reorganization of the 1,900-member Army National Guard. Following a U.S. Army restructuring plan, officials have helped assign soldiers to new units.

But training requirements for Guard units are established not by governors, but by the Army, the Air Force and the National Guard Bureau.

"That requirement comes down from the United States Army and Air Force," Allen said. "But that training and that equipment become very important when they are needed within the states."

LA Times article source (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-guard6-2008sep06,0,6887188.story)

[clambake]

GFY

you noted 2.5 miles. she's never been there. why hasn't she been there?

[MannyIsGod]

Depends on if the guard was under Federal Control or not...in most cases you'd be right, however that's not true under every scenario. Hence...she's in the chain of command.


Governors have the power to call up the Guard for the purpose of repelling an invasion...is it unlikely she'd ever have to do that? Yes. Does that mean there's no line of sucession that would give her the ability to do that? No.

K your point is excellent and relevant. How many times did has this happened forcing her to repel Putin from her airspace?

[whottt]

K your point is excellent and relevant. How many times did has this happened forcing her to repel Putin from her airspace?

As much as it did for Clinton, Carter, Reagan and Bush...Mannyisdoublestandard.

[RandomGuy]

...the Russians do fly over Alaskan airspace.



(PHILADELPHIA) In her role as Commander-in-Chief of the Alaska National Guard, Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin has received briefings on Russian military plane incursions near Alaskan airspace, an Alaska National Guard spokesman confirms to CBS News.


Oopsies.

All your reading comprehension are belong to us.

[MannyIsGod]

As much as it did for Clinton, Carter, Reagan and Bush...Mannyisdoublestandard.

I'm sorry when did I vote for any of those presidents? Furthermore when did I even say this was relevant to the national discussion on whether or not she was qualified?

If any of the other campaigns tried to do what the McCain campaign tried to do and spin being within visual range of Russia as foreign policy experience and if any of those other campaigns tried to spin being CIC of the civillian national guard as foreign policy experience then you might have some ground to stand on.

Don't pin the stupid campaign tactic that everyone saw through on me. You're the idiot trying to defend it.

I'm pretty sure previous governors stick to what is actually relevant. I'm going to go out on a limb and I'm going to say that Clinton never sat there and said "I commanded the national guard!"

[whottt]

Oopsies.

All your reading comprehension are belong to us.


Hmmm...

Anal retentiveness is belong to you(except when it comes to Capital Gains Taxes, and then you just you're anal retentive):

Simple terminology...even the Russians use something similar to it:

Russian bombers fly over Alaska again



http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/15-05-2008/105225-russian_bombers-0

Two strategic bombers TU-95MS of the Russian Air Force performed a successful 20-hour patrol flight over the Arctic region,” said Colonel Alexey Drobyshevsky, Assistant to the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force.



Russian bombers fly over Alaska again

“The flight was performed with in-flight refueling near Tiksi. Near Alaska during the air patrol long-haul planes were accompanied by NATO fighters,” Drobyshevsky said.

According to the official, all the flights of the Russian Air Force are carried out in accordance with rules of using air space over neutral waters. “The borders of other states were not violated,” Drobyshevsky said.

He stated that pilots of strategic bombers perform regular flights from air bases to patrol the neutral waters of the Arctic, the Atlantic, the Black Sea and the Pacific Ocean. Flight crews became more accomplished during their flights in northern latitudes, over areas without reference points and so on. During such flights they practice different techniques, such as the crew flight skills and in-flight refueling, Interfax said.

It is considered to be consummate when two 200-ton machines join together through the flexible fuelling system with cone-hose fittings 20 meters away from one another at a speed of 600 kilometers per hour, especially if accompanied by NATO fighters. Refueling enables the strategic missile carriers TU-160 and TU-95 MS to carry out their tasks within a day or more.

On August 17 2007 Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered Russia’s strategic bombers to resume their patrol flights. Since 1992 Russia single-handedly ceased the flights of its strategic aircraft to far-away hot spots. “Unfortunately, not all countries followed our example,” Putin said. According to him, it set off certain problems for Russia’s security and that’s why he decided to restart the flights of Russia’s strategic aircraft on a regular basis.

Source: agencies

Translated by Julia Bulygina
Pravda.ru

[MannyIsGod]

You're a fucking moron. They didn't violate US airspace. The headline is incorrect based on the information in the article.

oh and LMAO @ using a pravda article to begin with.

[RandomGuy]

Hmmm...

Anal retentiveness is belong to you(except when it comes to Capital Gains Taxes, and then you just you're anal retentive):

Simple terminology...even the Russians use something similar to it:

Russian bombers fly over Alaska again



http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/15-05-2008/105225-russian_bombers-0

Two strategic bombers TU-95MS of the Russian Air Force performed a successful 20-hour patrol flight over the Arctic region,” said Colonel Alexey Drobyshevsky, Assistant to the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force.



Russian bombers fly over Alaska again

“The flight was performed with in-flight refueling near Tiksi. Near Alaska during the air patrol long-haul planes were accompanied by NATO fighters,” Drobyshevsky said.

According to the official, all the flights of the Russian Air Force are carried out in accordance with rules of using air space over neutral waters. “The borders of other states were not violated,” Drobyshevsky said.

He stated that pilots of strategic bombers perform regular flights from air bases to patrol the neutral waters of the Arctic, the Atlantic, the Black Sea and the Pacific Ocean. Flight crews became more accomplished during their flights in northern latitudes, over areas without reference points and so on. During such flights they practice different techniques, such as the crew flight skills and in-flight refueling, Interfax said.

It is considered to be consummate when two 200-ton machines join together through the flexible fuelling system with cone-hose fittings 20 meters away from one another at a speed of 600 kilometers per hour, especially if accompanied by NATO fighters. Refueling enables the strategic missile carriers TU-160 and TU-95 MS to carry out their tasks within a day or more.

On August 17 2007 Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered Russia’s strategic bombers to resume their patrol flights. Since 1992 Russia single-handedly ceased the flights of its strategic aircraft to far-away hot spots. “Unfortunately, not all countries followed our example,” Putin said. According to him, it set off certain problems for Russia’s security and that’s why he decided to restart the flights of Russia’s strategic aircraft on a regular basis.

Source: agencies

Translated by Julia Bulygina
Pravda.ru

:lmao

[MannyIsGod]

I don't fucking get it, are you bothering to read what you post?

[whottt]

Furthermore:


From the Alaska Department of Military and Veterans Affairs Strategic Plan 2008-2012
http://www.ak-prepared.com/DMVA/Documents/acrobat_docs/2008-2012



Maj. Gen. Craig E. Campbell, who serves in the dual roles of Commissioner of Alaska's Department of Military and Veterans Affairs and Adjutant General of Alaska's National Guard:

Our vision statement, “Securing the State, Defending the Nation” is a vision of keeping Alaska and the United States a safe place to live. It sets the tone for how we conduct our day-to-day affairs, falls in line with Governor Palin’s priorities, and recognizes the unique missions and contributions of each of the DMVA's components.
tegic_Plan.pdf

[RandomGuy]

english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/15-05-2008/105225-russian_bombers-0


whottt quoting pravda. :wow

THE END IS NEAR.

I have repented already.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

[MannyIsGod]

whottt quoting pravda. :wow

THE END IS NEAR.

I have repented already.


LOL thats exactly what I said above. Fucking Pravda.

[RandomGuy]

LOL thats exactly what I said above. Fucking Pravda.

You got to it first, but I got to it funniest. :p:

Time to go buy a car.

[whottt]

You're a fucking moron. They didn't violate US airspace. The headline is incorrect based on the information in the article.

oh and LMAO @ using a pravda article to begin with.


What's moronic is being anal...


But since you went there...I just have to find an example of the Russians flying into Alaskan Airspace EVER to prove my statement is correct...by the analist of definitions.

[RandomGuy]

Furthermore:


From the Alaska Department of Military and Veterans Affairs Strategic Plan 2008-2012
http://www.ak-prepared.com/DMVA/Documents/acrobat_docs/2008-2012



Maj. Gen. Craig E. Campbell, who serves in the dual roles of Commissioner of Alaska's Department of Military and Veterans Affairs and Adjutant General of Alaska's National Guard:

Our vision statement, “Securing the State, Defending the Nation” is a vision of keeping Alaska and the United States a safe place to live. It sets the tone for how we conduct our day-to-day affairs, falls in line with Governor Palin’s priorities, and recognizes the unique missions and contributions of each of the DMVA's components.
tegic_Plan.pdf

When did invasions become day to day affairs?

I must have missed that memo.

[whottt]

What part of simple terminology don't you guys get?

Furthermore do you actually believe the Russians have never flown over Alaskan Air Space?

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

I'm sorry I set the bar too high. Find what you want, or dont, it doesn't matter. I'm done reading this drivel for now.

[whottt]

When did invasions become day to day affairs?

I must have missed that memo.



LOL pompous, anal, condescending, and ignorant...what a winning combination :lmao


Capital Gains Tax :lmao ...I'd just shut up and never talk again if I were you.

[whottt]

:lmao

I'm sorry I set the bar too high. Find what you want, or dont, it doesn't matter. I'm done reading this drivel for now.



Yeah...I'd to that too if I couldn't answer the question about what Clinton, Bush and Reagan did...

And didn't know what chain of command was...

Or what the Gubernatorial powers over the guard were.

[ElNono]

LOL pompous, anal, condescending, and ignorant...what a winning combination :lmao

Don't say I didn't call it. This is step 1...
whott's game is getting old and predictable...

[whottt]

Why is it such a big deal for me to use Pravda...I posted an article from Salon the other day.


I read all sides.

[RandomGuy]

What's moronic is being anal...


But since you went there...I just have to find an example of the Russians flying into Alaskan Airspace EVER to prove my statement is correct...by the analist of definitions.

There is something analist about the origins of most of your claims.

(mental image of whottt pulling something out of his ass)

:lmao

I'm gonna wear out that smiley...

Your claim that the governor has any jurisdiction over the military in case of an invasion would not be bolstered by any such overflight.

You would have to then prove that the Alaskan governor at the time gave some kind of military orders to the national guard.

[RandomGuy]

LOL pompous, anal, condescending, and ignorant...what a winning combination :lmao


Capital Gains Tax :lmao ...I'd just shut up and never talk again if I were you.

What is basis?

[whottt]

I don't fucking get it, are you bothering to read what you post?

Sure...that's why I said simple terminology.


That headline and article did the exact same thing I did....that's exactly why I posted it and said "simple terminology" and used Pravda to back my point up.

[whottt]

There is something analist about the origins of most of your claims.

(mental image of whottt pulling something out of his ass)

:lmao

I'm gonna wear out that smiley...

Your claim that the governor has any jurisdiction over the military in case of an invasion would not be bolstered by any such overflight.

You would have to then prove that the Alaskan governor at the time gave some kind of military orders to the national guard.



I never claimed anyhting of the kind...what I said was she was in the chain of command and in the line of succession...and then I proved it. I'm exactly right.


Now...you just have to show me who Arkansas is worried about being invaded by...

[MannyIsGod]

Ok motherfucker, you should try American - not Russian - papers for better info



WASHINGTON (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Washington) - When Russian bombers approach American airspace and U.S. Air Force (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/U.S.+Air+Force) fighters are scrambled, Sarah Palin (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Sarah+Palin)'s phone doesn't ring.
The Alaska (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Alaska) governor has no command authority over the guardians of U.S. airspace despite her recent suggestion otherwise.
"She doesn't have any role in that process," Air Force Maj. Allen Herritage (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Allen+Herritage), spokesman for the Alaska North American Aerospace Defense Command (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/NORAD), told the Daily News.


"The authority to launch and respond to a Russian incursion lies with the Alaska NORAD Region commander" - Air Force Lt. Gen. Dana Atkins, he said.





Moscow (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Moscow)'s bombers have skirted Alaskan airspace 20 times, thugh they have not violated it, during Palin's governorship, officials said.





"The commander does not call the governor," Herritage said.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/09/30/2008-09-30_norad_sarah_palin_has_no_role_in_guardin.html

[MannyIsGod]

It does not get anymore clear cut than that. Chain of command my ass.

[whottt]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2804428&postcount=30

[MannyIsGod]

"She doesn't have any role in that process," Air Force Maj. Allen Herritage (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Allen+Herritage), spokesman for the Alaska North American Aerospace Defense Command (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/NORAD), told the Daily News.

[whottt]

I posted pretty clearly what I meant...it's obvious that you guys didn't understand then and still don't now...I can't make it any clearer.


You're trying to make it into about whether or not she's a part of the day to day command. Never said it.


PS: Post that quote all you want Manny, I already posted information from the official Alaska Military Defense Plan that says she does have input. Click on that PDF I posted.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure you can. Tell us what her military responsibilities are when Russian planes come close to Alaskan airspace and under what circumstances she makes military command decisions.

This should be very easy for you.

[MannyIsGod]

I posted pretty clearly what I meant...it's obvious that you guys didn't understand then and still don't now...I can't make it any clearer.


You're trying to make it into about whether or not she's a part of the day to day command. Never said it.


PS: Post that quote all you want Manny, I already posted information from the official Alaska Military Defense Plan that says she does have input. Click on that PDF I posted.


"She doesn't have any role in that process," Air Force Maj. Allen Herritage (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Allen+Herritage), spokesman for the Alaska North American Aerospace Defense Command (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/NORAD), told the Daily News.

[Anti.Hero]

Chump Whott Sig Bet now.

[ChumpDumper]

I posted pretty clearly what I meant...it's obvious that you guys didn't understand then and still don't now...I can't make it any clearer.


You're trying to make it into about whether or not she's a part of the day to day command. Never said it.


PS: Post that quote all you want Manny, I already posted information from the official Alaska Military Defense Plan that says she does have input. Click on that PDF I posted.The page cannot be found

The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

[whottt]

Sure you can. Tell us what her military responsibilities are when Russian planes come close to Alaskan airspace and under what circumstances she makes military command decisions.

This should be very easy for you.

I already did in this thread.

You can keep asking and I am going to keep saying the same thing...

And you can keep saying I am denying it or afraid or etc...and I am going to keep being both annoyed and amused by your limited intellect and or dishonesty and strawmen.


I said it, it's in this thread...figure it the fuck out.

[whottt]

The page cannot be found

The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.


It's an active link...it's just down now for whatever reason.

[ChumpDumper]

I already did in this thread.

You can keep asking and I am going to keep saying the same thing...

And you can keep saying I am denying it or afraid or etc...and I am going to keep being both annoyed and amused by your limited intellect and or dishonesty and strawmen.


I said it, it's in this thread...figure it the fuck out.Nope.

All I saw you say is she gets briefed after Russian planes come close to Alaskan airspace.

That's it.

If there is anything else you will tell us all now, because you haven't yet.

You should have no problem repeating yourself if that is indeed the case.

[ChumpDumper]

So nothing more than being briefed after the fact.

Cool.

[whottt]

:yawn RIF

[ChumpDumper]

Post it and I'll read it.

[whottt]

It's in this thread.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Post it and I'll read it.

Don't hold your breath.

[ChumpDumper]

If you can't tell me what her military responsibilities are, why did you start this fucking thread?

Nice fail, whottt.

[whottt]

Another quality post in a long line of quality posts by George Gervin's Afro.

[whottt]

Run away then.

If you can't tell me what her military responsibilities are, why did you start this fucking thread?

Nice fail, whottt.


Her powers and the instances in which she would use them are in this thread. So is a lot of other stuff. RIF.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Another quality post in a long line of quality posts by George Gervin's Afro.

I'd like to see anything that proves the premise of this thread. Other than your opinion of course.

[ChumpDumper]

Her powers and the instances in which she would use them are in this thread. So is a lot of other stuff. RIF.Point them out to me.

The only thing I saw about the airspace issue is that she is briefed afterwards.

Tell me what else Palin does when Putin rears his head and sends planes near Alaska.

[whottt]

I'd like to see anything that proves the premise of this thread. Other than your opinion of course.


And it's posted, and reposted and linked relinked.

I never claimed she was part of the day to day Federal Operations...never claimed it.



But since all the participants in this thread have elected to be anal obtuse fucks...I'll just point out that the premise of this thread as indicated in the title, is Chump...and in case you haven't noticed, he's here....in all his glory.

[whottt]

Point them out to me.

The only thing I saw about the airspace issue is that she is briefed afterwards.

Well I promise you there is a great deal more info than that in this thread. I suggest page 2.




Tell me what else Palin does when Putin rears his head and sends planes near Alaska.

Well she gets briefed for one thing...but that wasn't the main point I was making. The main point I was making has been posted and reposted and linked and relinked.

[ChumpDumper]

It's really not much of an October surprise, whottt.

Palin does nothing when Putin rears his head and sends planes near Alaska.

She hears about it later.

[ChumpDumper]

Page 2?

Nothing really.

Please tell me what military actions Palin has commanded during her tenure as governor.

Do it here on page 4.

[whottt]

It's really not much of an October surprise, whottt.

Palin does nothing when Putin rears his head and sends planes near Alaska.

She hears about it later.



Amazing.

[whottt]

Page 2?

Nothing really.

Please tell me what military actions Palin has commanded during her tenure as governor.

Do it here on page 4.



Astounding.

[ChumpDumper]

Amazing.What so amazing about it?

If you have anything to add to it, I'd like to see it.

[ChumpDumper]

Astounding.What's so astounding?

If you can tell me what military operations Palin has commanded, I'd like to read it.

[whottt]

The fact that you and every lib


A. Continually ask for proof of a claim I never made.
B. Don't understand what chain of command is.
C. Don't understand what a line of succession.
D. Seem to think I claimed Palin was at some point in charge of a Federal Reponse to a Russian incursion into Alaskan Airspace is.
E. Do not have a clue of the powers of Governors.
F. Assume the US has no fail safe in place for key states in the MDS in case there is a lack of a Federal Reponse.
G. Actually expect me to provide proof there is such a fail safe even though it was public knowledge it wouldn't be a fail safe.



Among other things, by all means, keep asking for proof of claim I never made when I have alreeady explained and proven, every claim I made. I'm not on the defensive...I just think you're stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

So there really isn't much to this thread after all.

I don't know why you made such a big deal out of it then.

[PEP]

lol, he always answers with a question.

[whottt]

So there really isn't much to this thread after all.

I don't know why you made such a big deal out of it then.


Um...I posted several things at the beginning of this thread, that was one of the things YOU and YOUR ILK, elected to try to

A. Spin into something different than any original statement and
B. Make a big deal about.


The other thing you guys made a big deal about, stupidly, was the use of the terminology flying over air space instead of near it, a routine statement, whether technically accurate or not...

In any case...I can find examples of Palin partaking in a Federal Action and the Russians flying over Alaskan Air Space...so even on the points you guys attempted to twist into your favor, ya'll lose.


But like I was saying...next example I get of what Clinton, Bush and Reagan did...will be the first.

[insert hair splitting here]

[ChumpDumper]

It's ok whottt -- I can tell you weren't serious when you started this thread you said you were holding back with a stupid fuckup no more than four words into the first post.


Governorship of Alaska:

Overseas multiple joint governmental co-op projects between the Government of Russia and the State of Alaska.

Overseas multiple joint co-op projects between the Governent of Candada and the State of Alaska.

:toast

[whottt]

Spelling smack?

[ChumpDumper]

In any case...I can find examples of Palin partaking in a Federal Action and the Russians flying over Alaskan Air Space.So you are just hiding them from us?

[ChumpDumper]

Spelling smack?I can tell you aren't serioius smack.

[whottt]

Here, you forgot this one: "alrweady", plus I used "too" incorrectly.

Let me know when you decide to stop bottom feeding.


I'm not going to proofread my posts for spelling, grammatical errors, or typos so you might as well chalk up a victory for yourself in every argument we have from now on.

[ChumpDumper]

Here, you forgot this one: "alrweady", plus I used "too" incorrectly.

Let me know when you decide to stop bottom feeding.


I'm not going to proofread my posts for spelling, grammatical errors, or typos so you might as well chalk up a victory for yourself in every argument we have from now on.But you just did.

Anyway, this thread has not delivered, whottt. Try not to hype yourself so much next time.

[whottt]

I can tell you aren't serioius smack.

Oh but I am serious.

[ChumpDumper]

About what?

This thread being some great revelation about the powers of a governor?

It isn't.

[whottt]

But you just did.

Anyway, this thread has not delivered, whottt. Try not to hype yourself so much next time.


The co-op projects between the Governments of Alasksa and Russia were the thing main things I was talking about. The shared waters with 4-5 other countries were the other.

That she actually gets briefed on incursions was mere gravy, I didn't think that happened routinely, and evidentally it does. Nor did I think she had input into the Military Defense Plan, and evidentally she does that as well.

[whottt]

http://gov.state.ak.us/trade/2003/tad/russia/facts.htm

Russian students from throughout the Russian Far East study at the University of Alaska – for reduced tuition, paying the same rate charged to Alaska residents. University of Alaska policy allows residents of Alaska sister cities and sister regions to pay resident tuition rates to attend the university. It is unlikely that many of these Russian Far East students would be able to attend university in Alaska without this special break. Alaska has sister relations with a dozen Russian Far East cities and regions. It is believed that Alaska has more Russian students at its university campuses than any college in the United States. The University of Alaska has an American Russian Center based in Anchorage with branch campuses in a half dozen Russian Far East locations to provide basic business courses aimed at creating a capitalist class of entrepreneurs with practical business skills. A branch of the University of Alaska that specializes in training workers for the oil and gas and mining industries, the Mining and Petroleum Training Service, has trained hundreds of Russian oil field workers in Alaska and, with help from USAID, the Alaska private sector and the Russian Academy of Sciences, has launched the Sakhalin Alaska College technical training school in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk. Alaska high schools, which have Russian studies and exchange programs, stage a Russian academic Olympiad every year.

Technical Assistance & Humanitarian Aid

Alaska has been the biggest single source of humanitarian aid flowing into the Russian Far East, particularly during recent hard winters marked by power outages and shortages. Grassroots campaigns by citizen groups, charities, churches, governments, businesses and many individuals have been behind the goodwill efforts. The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) and similar benefactors have provided support for Alaska government agencies, organizations and businesses to reinforce the burgeoning democratic institutions and market economy built up in the Russian Far East through technical assistance from Alaska.

An Alaska – Russia Miscellany

Cities and towns in Alaska and the Russian Far East are closer to each other than they are to their own national capitals. Russia governed Alaska as a colony for almost as long as the United States has now governed Alaska as a possession, territory and state. Alaska serves as the exclusive U.S. gateway for flights between the Russian Far East and the United States. Every summer, Bering Strait and Bering Sea adventure cruises stop at ports in Alaska and the Russian Far East. Alaska has translated its state constitution, government documents and key laws into Russian to share with Russian Far East regions, governments and dumas (legislatures). Among the historical artifacts in the State Capitol and the Governor’s House are samovars, portraits of the Russian czar and other items that evoke the Russian heritage. Much of the flora and fauna and geology in Alaska are similar to the Russian Far East and eastern Siberia. Scientists do joint volcano research since Alaska and Kamchatka form the northern arc of the so-called Ring of Fire. Alaska and Russia conduct cooperative research and management of species such as polar bears, walrus and whales. Exhibits in museums of Alaska, Siberia and the Russian Far East often bear great similarities. Hotlines connect Alaska and the Russian Far East. There has been a direct link for emergency air traffic communications ever since the Soviets shot down of Korean Airlines Flight #007 in Russian air space en route from Anchorage to Seoul in 1983. Alaska-based air traffic controllers share communications links with their counterparts on Russia’s east coast. After 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster in Ukraine, communications were established between the Alaska Dept. of Environmental Conservation and the Russian nuclear power station across the Bering Strait in Bilibino, Chukotka.


The State of Alaska maintains a full-time staff position for dealing with Russian trade and Alaska-Russian Far East affairs.

[whottt]

Enjoy :tu

[MannyIsGod]

When was the last time Russians few into Alaskan airspace whottt?

[ChumpDumper]

The co-op projects between the Governments of Alasksa and Russia were the thing main things I was talking about. The shared waters with 4-5 other countries were the other. Pretty weak stuff, not worthy of the buildup.


That she actually gets briefed on incursions was mere gravy, I didn't think that happened routinely, and evidentally it does. Nor did I think she had input into the Military Defense Plan, and evidentally she does that as well.If you can show me what Palin has personally contributed to the Military Defense Plan, i'd love to see it.

[Yonivore]

Enjoy :tu
Now you're just fucking with the media narrative (apparently the only place the Democrats know to get their talking points) that Palin has no foreign relations experience...damn you.

[ChumpDumper]

Enjoy :tu
Russian academic Olympiad:lmao

You have no idea how much I am enjoying this.

[whottt]

By the way Chump...type:

"Palin sends Alaskan Guard to Iraq" into google and then come back here and tell me you don't see anything odd.

[ChumpDumper]

By the way Chump...type:

"Palin sends Alaskan Guard to Iraq" into google and then come back here and tell me you don't see anything odd.It's your thread whottt. Tell us all what you want us to know.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh man, this shit is funny.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sorry whottt. I thought when you were holding yourself back from posting her responsibilities as governor I would be reading about something a bit more compelling than
adventure cruises

[whottt]

Pretty weak stuff, not worthy of the buildup


Compared to what, Arkansas? Inner city Chicago?




If you can show me what Palin has personally contributed to the Military Defense Plan, i'd love to see it.

I can't show you details of their military defense plan period...the military is not in the habit of publishing details of their defense plans to the internet.

[whottt]

I'm sorry whottt. I thought when you were holding yourself back from posting her responsibilities as governor I would be reading about something a bit more compelling than



Well hey...it doesn't compare with the experience gained in Governing Arkansas but then what does?

[ChumpDumper]

Compared to what, Arkansas? Inner city Chicago?

Compared to your hype.


I can't show you details of their military defense plan period...the military is not in the habit of publishing details of their defense plans to the internet.So her input can just as easily be assumed to be zero as any other amount.

OK.

[whottt]

The premise of this thread was that the Governorship gives you more foreign policy and international experience than the Governorship of any other state...

You see there was some idiots that, you know, well being a state between Russia and Canada wasn't conclusive proof for them...I didn't think it would take much, I was wrong.


I still am...I underestimated either stupidity or the dishonesty of those people...I'm not sure which, I think it's both.


Now..what about Arkansas you sacks of fucking shit.


PS: typos and grammatical errors left in to give libs a reason to live.

[ChumpDumper]

Well hey...it doesn't compare with the experience gained in Governing Arkansas but then what does?True enough, I know of no adventure cruises to or Russian academic Olympiads in Arkansas.

[whottt]

True enough, I know of no


All you needed to say. It's all you've ever needed to say.

[ChumpDumper]

The premise of this thread was that the Governorship gives you more foreign policy and international experience than the Governorship of any other state...Aside from the pipeline, I see very little in which she could have been personally involved.

Unless she emceed a Russian academic Olympiad.

Or was an adventure cruise director.

[ChumpDumper]

All you needed to say. It's all you've ever needed to say.Aw. whottt's upset that his thread failed.

Sorry dude.

[PixelPusher]

Aside from the pipeline, I see very little in which she could have been personally involved.

Unless she emceed a Russian academic Olympiad.

Or was an adventure cruise director.

Darn right, she'd make a good cruise director. (wink!)

[whottt]

Aw. whottt's upset that his thread failed.

Sorry dude.


Failed? Why? Because you say so? According to you Beno deserved minutes...


You don't say it anymore, then again, you don't call Palin an idiot anymore either.

[whottt]

My definition of failure:

Not a single example of the international experience gained from Governing Texas, California or Arkansas.

That's a skunking. Especially since I'm almost certain examples could have been provided for both Texas and California.

[ChumpDumper]

Well then argue with yourself all you like whottt. Shit is pretty self-evident either way.

I simply expected more from this.

Sorry your thread sucked, dude.

[whottt]

Um...threads that suck don't go 6 pages.

[whottt]

Well then argue with yourself all you like whottt.


Who says I want a challenge?

[ChumpDumper]

Um...threads that suck don't go 6 pages.The sheer comic value is worth 50 pages. For actual subject content, not so much.

[whottt]

Arkansas :lol

[ChumpDumper]

whottt's crush :lol