Spot Number 48 (Runoff) - Top 50 Spurs

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SpursTalk's Top 50 Spurs
1. Tim Duncan
2. David Robinson
3. George Gervin
4. Gregg Popovich
5. Angelo Drossos
6. Manu Ginobili
7. Tony Parker
8. Sean Elliott
9. James Silas
10. Bruce Bowen
11. Larry Kenon
12. Avery Johnson
13. Alvin Robertson
14. Johnny Moore
15. RC Buford
16. Artis Gilmore
17. Peter Holt
18. Mike Mitchell
19. Bob Bass
20. Malik Rose
21. Robert Horry
22. Red McCombs
23. Doug Moe
24. Terry Cummings
25. Mario Elie
26. Willie Anderson
27. Billy Paultz
28. Robert McDermott
29. Stephen Jackson
30. Mark Olberding
31. Stan Albeck
32. Brent Barry
33. Mike Budenholzer
34. Swen Nater
35. Larry Brown
36. Rod Strickland
37. Michael Finley
38. Jaren Jackson
39. Hank Egan
40. PJ Carlesimo
41. Sam Presti
42. Steve Kerr
43. Rich Jones
44. Gene Banks
45. Vinny Del Negro
46. Mike Gale
47. Dennis Rodman

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This is a runoff vote between Coby Dietrick and Fabricio Oberto. The two players tied in the previous poll.

[timvp]

Coby Dietrick
Spent six years with the Spurs, three in the ABA and three in the NBA. All told, he played 484 games for the Spurs and the San Antonio averaged 48.3 wins per year during his six-year career. Dietrick averaged 6.9 points, 5.1 rebounds and 2.4 assists in 21.6 minutes per game. In the playoffs, he averaged 7.9 points per game and raised his field goal percentage substantially (53.6% in his Spurs playoff career compared to his regular season percentage of 46.7%).

Fabricio Oberto
Oberto has played the last three years with the Spurs and has averaged 3.9 points, 4.2 rebounds and 0.9 assists on 58.1% from the field in 15.9 minutes per game. He has played in a total of 220 regular season games and the Spurs have averaged 59 wins per season. His claim to fame with the Spurs was being the starting center for much of the 2007 playoffs as the Spurs successfully won the championship. His career playoff numbers with the Spurs are 4.1 points, 4.0 rebounds and 0.8 assists on 60.5% from the field in 11.7 minutes per game.

[manufor3]

coby

[Obstructed_View]

Coby. Oberto shouldnt even be in the top 50.

I only voted for him to keep Rasho out of the runoff.

[remingtonbo2001]

Don't underestimate the Argie vote.

[angel_luv]

I voted for Oberto. I hope he wins.

[remingtonbo2001]

It look like Coby is going to win this one in landslide fashion.

I guess the Argie vote is about as dependable as the youth vote in a presidential election.

[Stump]

Will the loser take spot 49 or will we just have a new poll for that?

[baseline bum]

Rasho

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Will the loser take spot 49 or will we just have a new poll for that?


It has to be a new poll for 49. What this poll shows me is that if all the long-time Spurs fans were to consolidate their votes, then those with their 5-year myopic view of this team wouldn't have the pull they seem to be having getting people like Oberto and Rasho nearly elected.

The problem is, when you've been a fan of this team for 30+ years you see about 25 names on that list that are arguably worthy of a spot.

When you've been a fan only as long as the Spurs have won championships, or have had a Slovenian or Argentinian player you like, your perspective is skewed to people who completely pale in comparison to those folks who contributed much more to this franchise, albeit before you cared about this team.

What that means is that 30 or so of us are spreading our votes amongst 20 players while the two sad hangers-on from the current regime are garnering all of the votes from the current "fans".





I can tell you this. Pop would have loved to have a Dave Corzine over Oberto or Rasho. Corzine would give you 12-18 points and 6-10 rebounds every night. One game like that from Rasho would have been his season highlight reel.

Corzine and Mark Olberding were good enough trade bait to entice Artis Gilmore away from the Bulls. Artis was considered a top 3 center in the league at the time. I'm sorry, but we couldn't give Rasho and Oberto away, and people are wanting to stick them in the top 50.

[samikeyp]

It has to be a new poll for 49. What this poll shows me is that if all the long-time Spurs fans were to consolidate their votes, then those with their 5-year myopic view of this team wouldn't have the pull they seem to be having getting people like Oberto and Rasho nearly elected.

The problem is, when you've been a fan of this team for 30+ years you see about 25 names on that list that are arguably worthy of a spot.

When you've been a fan only as long as the Spurs have won championships, or have had a Slovenian or Argentinian player you like, your perspective is skewed to people who completely pale in comparison to those folks who contributed much more to this franchise, albeit before you cared about this team.

What that means is that 30 or so of us are spreading our votes amongst 20 players while the two sad hangers-on from the current regime are garnering all of the votes from the current "fans".





I can tell you this. Pop would have loved to have a Dave Corzine over Oberto or Rasho. Corzine would give you 12-18 points and 6-10 rebounds every night. One game like that from Rasho would have been his season highlight reel.

Corzine and Mark Olberding were good enough trade bait to entice Artis Gilmore away from the Bulls. Artis was considered a top 3 center in the league at the time. I'm sorry, but we couldn't give Rasho and Oberto away, and people are wanting to stick them in the top 50.


QFT

Well said, sir.

[Obstructed_View]

It has to be a new poll for 49. What this poll shows me is that if all the long-time Spurs fans were to consolidate their votes, then those with their 5-year myopic view of this team wouldn't have the pull they seem to be having getting people like Oberto and Rasho nearly elected.

The problem is, when you've been a fan of this team for 30+ years you see about 25 names on that list that are arguably worthy of a spot.

When you've been a fan only as long as the Spurs have won championships, or have had a Slovenian or Argentinian player you like, your perspective is skewed to people who completely pale in comparison to those folks who contributed much more to this franchise, albeit before you cared about this team.

What that means is that 30 or so of us are spreading our votes amongst 20 players while the two sad hangers-on from the current regime are garnering all of the votes from the current "fans".





I can tell you this. Pop would have loved to have a Dave Corzine over Oberto or Rasho. Corzine would give you 12-18 points and 6-10 rebounds every night. One game like that from Rasho would have been his season highlight reel.

Corzine and Mark Olberding were good enough trade bait to entice Artis Gilmore away from the Bulls. Artis was considered a top 3 center in the league at the time. I'm sorry, but we couldn't give Rasho and Oberto away, and people are wanting to stick them in the top 50.

Where's that clapping smiley when I need it?

[Drom John]

As one who was arguing for the old Spurs early and including the Dallas players, I'm going with Oberto. His stats aren't counted. Great picks, very good blockouts, and frustrates opponents in the paint, Oberto defends the pick and roll very well. Oberto is ugly, but effective. In hockey terms, Oberto has good +/- numbers, almost Bowen light.

Dietrich just got playing time and some counting stats.

Corzine is good enough to pass Oberto, but I prefer Oberto.

We are talking 10th string here.

[FromWayDowntown]

In hockey terms, Oberto has good +/- numbers, almost Bowen light.

I'm not here to bash Fab at all, but I don't know that your assessments hold water -- at least not for 2007-08.

Last season, the Spurs were substantially better on both ends, statistically speaking, when Oberto was off the floor. With Oberto on the floor last season, the Spurs averaged about 106 points per 100 possessions and gave up about 104; with Oberto off the floor, the Spurs averaged about 110 points per 100 possessions and gave up about 102.

In 2006-07, the Spurs were about the same offensively with or without Oberto, but were a little bit better defensively without him than they were with him, too.

[Stump]

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Oh, I agree with you. I was just curious on the rules since timvp did something different.

[Typhoon]

Oberto.

[Spurtacus]

Oberto. All about the hair.