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RandomGuy
10-03-2008, 09:27 AM
... the "boo hoo, the liberal media is out to get us" schtick from conservatives.

Republicans and conservatives bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch about the liberal media, and SCREAMED bloody murder and liberal conspiracy about Gwen Ifill being the moderator.


Gwen Ifill was a true journalist: fair
Critics had feared she would favor Biden because she's written a book that spotlights Obama. Those fears were unjustified.
By JAMES RAINEY, ON THE MEDIA
October 3, 2008

At least one figure on the stage for Thursday night's vice presidential debate reached a high standard for reason, fairness and class.

Gwen Ifill of PBS demonstrated abundant dignity as referee of the much-anticipated debate between Sarah Palin and Joe Biden.



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The veteran newswoman lived up, in every sense, to her title: moderator. She directed the candidates to important topics, pushed to keep them on subject and betrayed no favoritism.

Some partisan critics had suggested in recent days that Ifill was unfit for the role because she is writing a book about American politics in the "age of Obama." As in Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee.

That information sent conservative commentators like Richard Viguerie into convulsions of dismay and anger. Surely, Ifill was a liberal plant who would try to tilt the debate toward Biden, the Democratic senator from Delaware.


Viguerie said Wednesday that Democrats would agree to debates only where they got "the home-field advantage, only when the questioners are people who see liberalism as objective reality and who consider the opinions of conservative, mainstream Americans to be backward and ill-informed."

If those were Ifill's feelings, she sure kept them concealed. One measure of how well the former newspaper reporter performed was that, once the talking started, she faded into the background as Biden and Palin shared their strikingly different world views.

I'd defy the critics to show how Ifill's questions even came close to favoring one nominee over the other.

When she asked about taxes, for example, both nominees faced a pointed inquiry. To Biden: Isn't the Democrats' call to tax the wealthy an invitation to class warfare? To Palin: Couldn't McCain's proposal to tax health insurance benefits cost many Americans their current coverage?

When the GOP governor of Alaska's answer focused mostly on dubbing Obama a big-time tax-and-spender, Ifill helpfully reminded Palin that she needed to respond to the query about McCain's health insurance proposal.

Both nominees segued far afield on a question about just what they would do in the vice president's office, and Ifill gave both a gentle scolding.

"Governor, senator, neither of you really answered that last question about what you would do as vice president," Ifill said, to laughter from the audience. "I'm going to come back to that throughout the evening to try to see if we can look forward as well."

And she did.

What the critics who set out to pillory Ifill failed to acknowledge -- because it did not suit their political aims -- was that real journalists, who doubtless have biases, can and will put them aside to do their jobs.

And the 53-year-old journalist is a real professional, one who has covered the White House, Congress and presidential campaigns for four newspapers, including the New York Times and the Washington Post.

Her upcoming book, "Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama," will feature three other politicians along with the Democratic presidential candidate.

Journalists and commentators are perfectly justified in pointing out that Ifill is writing the book. And voters can judge for themselves whether that project swayed her to help Obama's running mate or to throw obstacles in front of his Republican rival.

Ifill answered those questions admirably, showing that, regardless of her personal feelings, she knows how to moderate a serious political discussion. And how to fade gracefully into the background -- something her loud critics, who assumed the worst, should think about doing.

101A
10-03-2008, 09:29 AM
I said she would be good. Watch Macneil/Lehrer every night.

I was right.

RandomGuy
10-03-2008, 09:34 AM
I said she would be good. Watch Macneil/Lehrer every night.

I was right.

PBS and NPR have some of the best journalists around, IMO.

101A
10-03-2008, 09:36 AM
PBS and NPR have some of the only journalists around, IMO.

Fixed.

DarrinS
10-03-2008, 09:42 AM
Well, Gwen did choose the questions and she didn't make EITHER candidate address all the questions she asked.


What was the whole "climate change" question designed to do?

RandomGuy
10-03-2008, 09:43 AM
Originally Posted by RandomGuy

PBS and NPR have some of the only journalists around, IMO.



Fixed.

I am RandomGuy and I approve of this message fix. :tu


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RandomGuy
10-03-2008, 09:47 AM
Well, Gwen did choose the questions and she didn't make EITHER candidate address all the questions she asked.


What was the whole "climate change" question designed to do?

Short of pointing a gun to the head of a candidate, there is no way in the world you can get a candidate running for office to stick to a topic.

Generic Moderator:
"What do you think of Policy A"

Generic Candidate:
"Talking point X that makes me look good and my opponent look bad."

Moderator:
"Um, ok. But what about Policy A?"

Candidate:
"Talking point Y"

This goes for ANY candidate, Dem or Rep.

The better ones will throw in an occasional bone and actually make a brief attempt to answer the question, like Biden did, but by and large they say what they want to say.
Bush really did this in the debates with Kerry. That was partly why he was so effective, if maddening to those of us who wanted actual questions answered.

DarrinS
10-03-2008, 09:49 AM
Short of pointing a gun to the head of a candidate, there is no way in the world you can get a candidate running for office to stick to a topic.



But Lehrer would actually call them out on it -- that's all I'm saying.

Spurminator
10-03-2008, 09:52 AM
The Ifill controversy shows just how polarized we've become. Suddenly a book "about" a Presidential candidate is "pro" a Presidential candidate.

I thought she did a good job.

Buddy Holly
10-03-2008, 09:53 AM
That wasn't the agreed to format.

RandomGuy
10-03-2008, 10:02 AM
But Lehrer would actually call them out on it -- that's all I'm saying.


"Governor, senator, neither of you really answered that last question about what you would do as vice president," Ifill said, to laughter from the audience. "I'm going to come back to that throughout the evening to try to see if we can look forward as well."

I guess it depends as how one sees one's role as moderator, and how the debate was structured. If you are looking to blow through 1/3 of the alloted time trying to get one question answered, or if you are trying to get as many worthwhile topics addressed as possible.

It is a balancing act. I doubt I could have done better.

Xylus
10-03-2008, 10:12 AM
I thought Gwen was completely fair the whole night.

I particularly liked it when Biden went into his shpiel (sp?) about how gays should have all of the same benefits as heterosexual couples. Gwen then asked, "But do you support gay marriage?" To which Biden said No. I thought both candidates' answers on the gay marriage topic were completely ignorant. I can't believe it's 2008 and people still oppose giving gays the right to marry.

101A
10-03-2008, 10:14 AM
I thought Gwen was completely fair the whole night.

I particularly liked it when Biden went into his shpiel (sp?) about how gays should have all of the same benefits as heterosexual couples. Gwen then asked, "But do you support gay marriage?" To which Biden said No. I thought both candidates' answers on the gay marriage topic were completely ignorant. I can't believe it's 2008 and people still oppose giving gays the right to marry.


I have no problem with gay marriage.

If a queer and a dyke want to hook up; good for them.

Xylus
10-03-2008, 10:14 AM
The real loser in last night's debate? America.