Obama: "Say it to my face"

[Findog]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5985237&page=1


"I'll repeat again what I've said many times. This is a guy (Ayers) who engaged in some despicable acts 40 years ago when I was eight years old. By the time I met him, 10 or 15 years ago, he was a college professor of education at the University of Illinois . . . And the notion that somehow he has been involved in my campaign, that he is an adviser of mine, that . . . I've 'palled around with a terrorist', all these statements are made simply to try to score cheap political points.

"I mean, you've had their spokespeople over the last couple of days say if we talk about the economic crisis, we lose. I mean, you can't be much more blatant than that.

"I am surprised that, you know, we've been seeing some pretty over-the-top attacks coming out of the McCain campaign over the last several days, that he wasn't willing to say it to my face. But I guess we've got one last debate. So presumably, if he ends up feeling that he needs to, he will raise it during the debate."

:lol

McCain is such a sniveling little pussy coward, hiding behind that skirt to launch his attacks.

Obama FTW!

[Anti.Hero]

haha I was thinking the same.

I like this fire from Obama. The man knows Mcgiveaway is down and he is stepping on throat. I respect that.

[baseline bum]

:lol

Great comeback. So Bible Spice has more balls than P.O.W.?

[Anti.Hero]

Palin must now come back and say "Is it so horrible to question a potential president about questionable friendships with questionable people? We aren't even being shown a simple birth certificate? Or are we so ready for any type of change that we will throw all caution to the wind?"

That'd be a decent reply and she wouldn't look like McDoofus.

[sook]

eat crow mcloser http://www.bartcop.com/eat-crow-monkey.jpg

[TomBrady]

Palin must now come back and say "Is it so horrible to question a potential president about questionable friendships with questionable people? We aren't even being shown a simple birth certificate? Or are we so ready for any type of change that we will throw all caution to the wind?"

That'd be a decent reply and she wouldn't look like McDoofus.

That's not what she's saying though.

She's saying he "palls around with terrorists". That's a lot different than saying Obama has some questionable friendships.

[sook]

That's not what she's saying though.

She's saying he "palls around with terrorists". That's a lot different than saying Obama has some questionable friendships.

dude its over...any body can see that, the mccain campaign is desperate.
http://www.extrememortman.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/McCain%20Palin.JPG

[boutons_]

McLame told his fans that for the debate, his gloves were coming off, but he chickened out, typical fake macho before his choir, but facing HUSSEIN, his dick goes limp (assuming he can still get it up)

[JIM LAMPLEY]

McCain is on the mat who can save him now?................

[boutons_]

Drop pitbull bitch and get Joe Lieberman in there

[MannyIsGod]

:lol Awesome!!!

[Spurtacus]

Fuck yeah.

[Emanuel Steward]

McCain is on the mat who can save him now?................


Not even the bell can save him now................

[Yonivore]

"He [Obama] said they have not spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Mr. Obama began serving in the United States Senate in January 2005" (New York Times, 10/3)

Why in the world was Barack Obama still communicating on the phone or via email with Bill Ayers up until 2005 — when in 2001 Ayers gave widely publicized interviews claiming he had no regrets about the bombing, indeed regretted that he had not done enough, and did not necessarily have any remorse either about his Weathermen career?

Ponder that: the possible next President of the United States, well after 9/11 and in the climate of hourly worry over terrorism here at home, was still friendly and communicating with an associate that had to abandon his book tour due to popular outcry, and was widely quoted as absolutely unrepentant about his terrorism. That is a damning indictment of his judgement — among other things — and it is no "smear" to raise the issue.

Indeed, there is a disturbing pattern here. Obama's once-close radical Chicago associates are never jettisoned out of principle, but only at the 11th-hour when they became impediments to Obama's political career. Thus Wright is defended throughout his racist rantings, until he makes the unfortunate decision of bringing that hatred to DC's elite nexus at the National Press Club — and only then is immediately dropped, as Obama resigns from Trinity Church. Ditto Ayers. What made Obama cease communciations with Ayers was not the latter's radicalism (indeed Obama facilitated it by serving with Ayers to dispense millions to questionable organizations), nor even Ayers' boasts in 2001 of having no regrets about trying to blow up government buildings. Instead, 2005 coincides with Obama's ascension to the Senate and the plan to begin running for the Presidency — and thus Ayers, like Wright later, became expendable. Ditto Rezko, Pfleger et al.

And, today, we hear he was a member of the Democratic Socialists of America back in the 90's.

It may be unraveling for "That One."

[CubanMustGo]

The only thing unraveling is the sanity of neocons like you.

[Yonivore]

The only thing unraveling is the sanity of neocons like you.
Yeah...that's why Obama lies about his relationship with Ayers...because my sanity is unraveling.

Hey, did you hear they found out he was a card-carrying socialist back in the day?

[CubanMustGo]

I can hear you spluttering and gasping in your desperation to get any fucking thing to stick. Keep up the good work.

[Yonivore]

I can hear you spluttering and gasping in your desperation to get any fucking thing to stick. Keep up the good work.
Oh, I'm not the one doing the work, I'm merely sharing with you guys. You attack me as if my efforts will get this publicized.

I appreciate the vote of confidence but, it's not deserved.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Big talk from a guy who was hiding behind Biden's skirt for the last couple of weeks. :rolleyes

[ElNono]

Yeah...that's why Obama lies about his relationship with Ayers...because my sanity is unraveling.

Hey, did you hear they found out he was a card-carrying socialist back in the day?

Change topic much?
So, is McCain a pussy, yes or no? Simple question, really...

[ElNono]

Big talk from a guy who was hiding behind Biden's skirt for the last couple of weeks. :rolleyes

Really? The only one wearing a skirt in this campaign is Pallin, and if there has been somebody hiding behind hers is Mr McCain. He doesn't even has the balls to smear Obama himself. He has to send Pallin to do the dirty work for him.

[whottt]

:lmao what a bunch of fucking idiots.


This dude was a wrestler and boxer in the Navy. He's been in like 4 or 5 air plane crashes, he was captured by the Viet Cong and tortured for 5 years, he's had 4 bouts with cancer and he's in the twilight years of his life...


And you guys thank this man is afraid of Barrack Fucking Obama :lmao

I'm sorry but you guys without a doubt the stupidest bunch of dipshits I have ever encountered in my life.


:lmao McCain is afraid of Barry Obama?


That's fucking hilarious.



Findog...you and Manny talking about how precious your vote for the annoited one is to you, is far scarier than Obama himself is....ya'll are the scary ones.


:lol

What a bunch of idiots.

[hitmanyr2k]

:lmao what a bunch of fucking idiots.

This dude was a wrestler and boxer in the Navy. He's been in like 4 or 5 air plane crashes, he was captured by the Viet Cong and tortured for 5 years, he's had 4 bouts with cancer and he's in the twilight years of his life...

And you guys thank this man is afraid of Barrack Fucking Obama :lmao

I'm sorry but you guys without a doubt the stupidest bunch of dipshits I have ever encountered in my life.

:lmao McCain is afraid of Barry Obama?

That's fucking hilarious.



Findog...you and Manny talking about how precious your vote for the annoited one is to you, is far scarier than Obama himself is....ya'll are the scary ones.


:lol

What a bunch of idiots.

What the fuck? Whott, are you really this stupid? Seriously, are you? Why are you bringing "physicality" into this? What does that shit have to do with McCain not taking the gloves off at the debate? They're talking about debating you moron, TALKING...not boxing, not wrestling :lol How in the hell can you not understand something so obvious? I don't know if this politics shit is getting to you so much that your noodle is unraveling but you're getting dumber by the day and that's incredible considering the level of stupidity you were at a month ago. You just can't be this dense. Please tell me it's an act :lol

[whottt]

Obama is the one daring McCain to say it to his face. I don't know if you guys have seen Obama's answers when confronted with this, but they aren't inspiring.

And ya'll are the ones saying McCain is afraid to confront Obama on this.


Now tell me, what could he possibly have to fear from Obama?


Nothing.


It sounds to me like he's in Obama's head. Which is exactly where he wants to be. He who can make you angry controls you.


Obama fully expected to be confronted with the Ayers stuff last night and it's fucking with his head that he wasn't.

Why wasn't he?

Good question....he's holding it back?

Town Hall wasn't a good format for it?

Wants to be seen as positive?

Right questions to bring it up weren't asked?

Dunno...all I know is it's under Obama's skin in a major way if Obama's daring McCain to say it to his face :lol.



McCain is not afraid of Obama...not verbally, not physicially, not in anyway. What a horrible misjudgement on the part of ya'll....


Old people in general are fearless...ya'll think about your grandparents for a second and see if you disagree. It's young people that are afraid.


People fear what they don't know and are uncertain about...and there's a lot more that young people don't know about than there is that old people don't know about.


IME, old people kinda just don't give a shit.


Neither do pilots who get back into planes after they've already been in 3 crashes, and then bust their ass to recover from broken bones suffered as a POW(and a crash)...to do it after 4 of them.


McCain is absolutely fucking fearless in every sense of the word. I can't believe you guys think this man is afraid of anything, outside of maybe losing his temper.

[whottt]

McCain is so afraid of Obama he wanted to do town hall meetings with him to campaign instead of stumping..


Who's the one who didn't want to do that again?

Dumbasses.

[boutons_]

"McCain is afraid of Barry Obama"

Yep, little, old, frail, sick, confused McLiar is afraid of the big, black, virile, vital HUSSEIN.

Biology is destiny and McSame's biology is kaput.

He's been a chickenshit, cheating loser his entire life, losing planes, losing his principles, losing elections, losing The American People. Failing upward and bullying his way with his help and rep of his father and grandfather, on the $Ms inherited (not earned) of his wife.

McMeFirst told his audience the day before that in the debate the gloves were coming off. Big Talk from a little old fart preaching to his choir.

Did McSpoiled show any glovelessness in the debate? Nope, nothing, zilch, all talk, no walk, and viewers overwhelmingly gave the match, in the town hall format McTownFool wanted, to HUSSEIN, just like they gave the foreign policy debate, the are where McWrong is supposed to be so right, to HUSSEIN.

If HUSSEIN had wasted his time on many town hall debates, McLoser would have been in a deep, dark hole last summer. HUSSEIN would be up 6-0 at this point.

[rascal]

Obama is the one daring McCain to say it to his face. I don't know if you guys have seen Obama's answers when confronted with this, but they aren't inspiring.

And ya'll are the ones saying McCain is afraid to confront Obama on this.


Now tell me, what could he possibly have to fear from Obama?


Nothing.


It sounds to me like he's in Obama's head. Which is exactly where he wants to be. He who can make you angry controls you.


Obama fully expected to be confronted with the Ayers stuff last night and it's fucking with his head that he wasn't.

Why wasn't he?

Good question....he's holding it back?

Town Hall wasn't a good format for it?

Wants to be seen as positive?

Right questions to bring it up weren't asked?

Dunno...all I know is it's under Obama's skin in a major way if Obama's daring McCain to say it to his face :lol.



McCain is not afraid of Obama...not verbally, not physicially, not in anyway. What a horrible misjudgement on the part of ya'll....


Old people in general are fearless...ya'll think about your grandparents for a second and see if you disagree. It's young people that are afraid.


People fear what they don't know and are uncertain about...and there's a lot more that young people don't know about than there is that old people don't know about.


IME, old people kinda just don't give a shit.


Neither do pilots who get back into planes after they've already been in 3 crashes, and then bust their ass to recover from broken bones suffered as a POW(and a crash)...to do it after 4 of them.


McCain is absolutely fucking fearless in every sense of the word. I can't believe you guys think this man is afraid of anything, outside of maybe losing his temper.

There is no strong basis for bringing up Ayers in any debate. It would just make McCain look desperate and backfire if he brought it up.

If your smart enough you can figure that there is nothing to the Ayers stuff.

[Kamnik]

Obama is the one daring McCain to say it to his face. I don't know if you guys have seen Obama's answers when confronted with this, but they aren't inspiring.

And ya'll are the ones saying McCain is afraid to confront Obama on this.


Now tell me, what could he possibly have to fear from Obama?


Nothing.


It sounds to me like he's in Obama's head. Which is exactly where he wants to be. He who can make you angry controls you.


Obama fully expected to be confronted with the Ayers stuff last night and it's fucking with his head that he wasn't.

Why wasn't he?

Good question....he's holding it back?

Town Hall wasn't a good format for it?

Wants to be seen as positive?

Right questions to bring it up weren't asked?

Dunno...all I know is it's under Obama's skin in a major way if Obama's daring McCain to say it to his face :lol.



McCain is not afraid of Obama...not verbally, not physicially, not in anyway. What a horrible misjudgement on the part of ya'll....


Old people in general are fearless...ya'll think about your grandparents for a second and see if you disagree. It's young people that are afraid.


People fear what they don't know and are uncertain about...and there's a lot more that young people don't know about than there is that old people don't know about.


IME, old people kinda just don't give a shit.


Neither do pilots who get back into planes after they've already been in 3 crashes, and then bust their ass to recover from broken bones suffered as a POW(and a crash)...to do it after 4 of them.


McCain is absolutely fucking fearless in every sense of the word. I can't believe you guys think this man is afraid of anything, outside of maybe losing his temper.

I googled "whott" and it defined it as redneck.

[LARRY MERCHANT]

Whottt.......seems..........to........have........ .....the.......staying...............power........ ......it..............takes..............to....... .....win..........this...........battle........... .

[Findog]

This message was not read because you scroll past whottt's ramblings now

[101A]

It is unbelievable what partisanship can do to a person's sensibilities.

The right is convinced Obama keeps a Koran under his pillow while texting bin Laden; the Left has convinced themselves that McCain is a feeble minded puss - and I actually believe your brains are wired that way, now.

EACH believe that their guy can actually make a difference.

The truth: Obama is a very intelligent, accomplished, educated and driven man who set his sights on the White House 20 years ago; and stands at the threshold of attaining that goal now. He, IMO is beholden to no one, and is his own man. If you pay attention to who he has on his campaign staff, he surrounds himself with VERY intelligent people who give him good advice. He has the capacity to mold that information and advice into policy positions that, although certainly left of center, are not far, if at all, outside of the mainstream of American political thought. He did, after all, spend time surrounded by Chicago-economics school types who instilled in him at the very least a respect for the growth and wealth potential that capitilism can provide. He is an inspirational speaker, and is an attractive black man; both of which account for some, but not all, of his amazing ascendency to this point. Hopefully he is a student of history, and not just of politics, and he will examine the vast quantity of knowledge that has been amassed through the trials and tribulations of this country and the world to help guide our ship through this financial storm; I have now reason to believe he isn't, and he won't. He statement last month that he might not raise taxes right away, during this crisis, is evidence that he is, in fact, a thinking man's liberal.

John McCain is an honest to god American Hero. We don't need to parse that at all. A man's man, a true John Wayne. He should have been president in 2000; but got slimed by one of the worst of all attacks in political history in South Carolina, IMO. He really has crossed aisle more than any other politician in recent memory to get passed bills tht he felt needed to be passed. He was cross-wise with the administration more than any other political figure. For Christ's sake; Rush Limbaugh HATE'S him and Anne Coulter promised to vote for Hillary over him! He is no coward, but his campaign is in desperate straights. He WAS making a race out of this, until the recent economic turmoil. Fact of the matter is when this kind of thing happens, the party holding the presidency gets the blame, for right or wrong. This has little to do with what EITHER campaign has done; it is just circumstance. Anyone that believes otherwise is deluding themselves. As for sending Palin out to do the attacking? SOP in a campaign; and, of course, 4 weeks out, one of these campaigns is going to be more desperate than the other!

Bottom line, these are probably the two most impressive individuals I have had to vote on for president, as flawed as they are, in 20 years. That, and the forum has become ridiculous as each side slams a charicature of the other's candidate. Barrack is neither a Muslim, nor a terrorrist, McCain is not a senile old right wing ideologue; on the overall political landscape (Communist ------- Anarchist) one is slightly left of center, the other slightly right. Either will be a step up from where we are right now; but with either, because the govt. has been so stupid and out of control for SO long (I date the beginning of the end to LBJ) - that either one that wins is probably fucked.

btw; passed kidney stone yesterday (my first)

Holy Fucking SHIT!!!!!! That hurt.

[boutons_]

"McCain is not a senile old right wing ideologue"

You're right on one point, ideologues have ideas, while McMeFirst has only his empty ambition, devoid of ideas.

[101A]

"McCain is not a senile old right wing ideologue"

You're right on one point, ideologues have ideas, while McMeFirst has only his empty ambition, devoid of ideas.

You know, I almost posted, "Boutons you don't need to respond to this post, we all know your position."

[xeromass]

Joschka Fischer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joschka_Fischer)

[101A]

Joschka Fischer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joschka_Fischer)


?????


and:


The neutrality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view) of this article is disputed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV_dispute).

[ElNono]

Obama is the one daring McCain to say it to his face. I don't know if you guys have seen Obama's answers when confronted with this, but they aren't inspiring.

And ya'll are the ones saying McCain is afraid to confront Obama on this.


Now tell me, what could he possibly have to fear from Obama?


Nothing.


It sounds to me like he's in Obama's head. Which is exactly where he wants to be. He who can make you angry controls you.


Obama fully expected to be confronted with the Ayers stuff last night and it's fucking with his head that he wasn't.

Why wasn't he?

Good question....he's holding it back?

Town Hall wasn't a good format for it?

Wants to be seen as positive?

Right questions to bring it up weren't asked?

Dunno...all I know is it's under Obama's skin in a major way if Obama's daring McCain to say it to his face :lol.



McCain is not afraid of Obama...not verbally, not physicially, not in anyway. What a horrible misjudgement on the part of ya'll....


Old people in general are fearless...ya'll think about your grandparents for a second and see if you disagree. It's young people that are afraid.


People fear what they don't know and are uncertain about...and there's a lot more that young people don't know about than there is that old people don't know about.


IME, old people kinda just don't give a shit.


Neither do pilots who get back into planes after they've already been in 3 crashes, and then bust their ass to recover from broken bones suffered as a POW(and a crash)...to do it after 4 of them.


McCain is absolutely fucking fearless in every sense of the word. I can't believe you guys think this man is afraid of anything, outside of maybe losing his temper.

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.
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Why's everyone laughing?


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[smeagol]

It is unbelievable what partisanship can do to a person's sensibilities.

The right is convinced Obama keeps a Koran under his pillow while texting bin Laden; the Left has convinced themselves that McCain is a feeble minded puss - and I actually believe your brains are wired that way, now.

EACH believe that their guy can actually make a difference.

The truth: Obama is a very intelligent, accomplished, educated and driven man who set his sights on the White House 20 years ago; and stands at the threshold of attaining that goal now. He, IMO is beholden to no one, and is his own man. If you pay attention to who he has on his campaign staff, he surrounds himself with VERY intelligent people who give him good advice. He has the capacity to mold that information and advice into policy positions that, although certainly left of center, are not far, if at all, outside of the mainstream of American political thought. He did, after all, spend time surrounded by Chicago-economics school types who instilled in him at the very least a respect for the growth and wealth potential that capitilism can provide. He is an inspirational speaker, and is an attractive black man; both of which account for some, but not all, of his amazing ascendency to this point. Hopefully he is a student of history, and not just of politics, and he will examine the vast quantity of knowledge that has been amassed through the trials and tribulations of this country and the world to help guide our ship through this financial storm; I have now reason to believe he isn't, and he won't. He statement last month that he might not raise taxes right away, during this crisis, is evidence that he is, in fact, a thinking man's liberal.

John McCain is an honest to god American Hero. We don't need to parse that at all. A man's man, a true John Wayne. He should have been president in 2000; but got slimed by one of the worst of all attacks in political history in South Carolina, IMO. He really has crossed aisle more than any other politician in recent memory to get passed bills tht he felt needed to be passed. He was cross-wise with the administration more than any other political figure. For Christ's sake; Rush Limbaugh HATE'S him and Anne Coulter promised to vote for Hillary over him! He is no coward, but his campaign is in desperate straights. He WAS making a race out of this, until the recent economic turmoil. Fact of the matter is when this kind of thing happens, the party holding the presidency gets the blame, for right or wrong. This has little to do with what EITHER campaign has done; it is just circumstance. Anyone that believes otherwise is deluding themselves. As for sending Palin out to do the attacking? SOP in a campaign; and, of course, 4 weeks out, one of these campaigns is going to be more desperate than the other!

Bottom line, these are probably the two most impressive individuals I have had to vote on for president, as flawed as they are, in 20 years. That, and the forum has become ridiculous as each side slams a charicature of the other's candidate. Barrack is neither a Muslim, nor a terrorrist, McCain is not a senile old right wing ideologue; on the overall political landscape (Communist ------- Anarchist) one is slightly left of center, the other slightly right. Either will be a step up from where we are right now; but with either, because the govt. has been so stupid and out of control for SO long (I date the beginning of the end to LBJ) - that either one that wins is probably fucked.

btw; passed kidney stone yesterday (my first)

Holy Fucking SHIT!!!!!! That hurt.

:tu Good post.

It is refreshing to read from people who don't lean too much to each side.

[101A]

:tu Good post.

It is refreshing to read from people who don't lean too much to each side.

Ironically, I probably lean further right that just about anyone here;

A couple of years ago read a paper on how partisanship clouds views and makes rational people irrational. I have been trying to recognize when it happens in myself; hell it makes it a lot easier to go through life not fearing that the anti-christ is going to get elected! There are people all over the place ready to jump out of windows if THEIR guy doesn't win. Ridiculous.

[xeromass]

German ex-foreign minister and most popular politician of that era has been de facto terrorist in his younger years (photos exist of him beating shit out of policeman during protests, his car has been used for smuggling murder weapons from USA military base), yet some can't stand a presidential candidate that associated with ex-terrorist (more of an on-paper kind) in his distinguished professor era. Personal growth, learning from own mistakes and all that shit?

[101A]

German ex-foreign minister and most popular politician of that era has been de facto terrorist in his younger years (photos exist of him beating shit out of policeman during protests, his car has been used for smuggling murder weapons from USA military base), yet you can't stand a presidential candidate that associated with ex-terrorist (more of an on-paper kind) in his distinguished professor era. Personal growth, learning from own mistakes and all that shit?

Did you read my post? WTF are you talking about?

THIS is what I wrote about Obama:


The truth: Obama is a very intelligent, accomplished, educated and driven man who set his sights on the White House 20 years ago; and stands at the threshold of attaining that goal now. He, IMO is beholden to no one, and is his own man. If you pay attention to who he has on his campaign staff, he surrounds himself with VERY intelligent people who give him good advice. He has the capacity to mold that information and advice into policy positions that, although certainly left of center, are not far, if at all, outside of the mainstream of American political thought. He did, after all, spend time surrounded by Chicago-economics school types who instilled in him at the very least a respect for the growth and wealth potential that capitilism can provide. He is an inspirational speaker, and is an attractive black man; both of which account for some, but not all, of his amazing ascendency to this point. Hopefully he is a student of history, and not just of politics, and he will examine the vast quantity of knowledge that has been amassed through the trials and tribulations of this country and the world to help guide our ship through this financial storm; I have now reason to believe he isn't, and he won't. He statement last month that he might not raise taxes right away, during this crisis, is evidence that he is, in fact, a thinking man's liberal.

[Bartleby]

btw; passed kidney stone yesterday (my first)

Holy Fucking SHIT!!!!!! That hurt.

Sorry to hear that. We may not agree on a lot of issues in here, but I wouldn't wish that on anybody. I've heard they're excruciating.

[101A]

Sorry to hear that. We may not agree on a lot of issues in here, but I wouldn't wish that on anybody. I've heard they're excruciating.

Thanks.

[boutons_]

...

[ElNono]

btw; passed kidney stone yesterday (my first)

Holy Fucking SHIT!!!!!! That hurt.

Those things are nasty. My dad had to have laser surgery many times to get the stones broken up so they would pass. But his job had a lot to do with him having that problem.

I certainly hope it's your last stone too.

[xeromass]

I'm talking about the notion by Yoni&co. that for some reason cordon sanitaire should be established around Ayers and that anybody associating with him is extremist by default.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/13/bobirthcertificate.jpg

........,but where is the original?

[01.20.09]

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/Scientivore/Politics/Obama/Badass-Obama.jpg

[MaNuMaNiAc]

:lmao what a bunch of fucking idiots.


This dude was a wrestler and boxer in the Navy. He's been in like 4 or 5 air plane crashes, he was captured by the Viet Cong and tortured for 5 years, he's had 4 bouts with cancer and he's in the twilight years of his life...


And you guys thank this man is afraid of Barrack Fucking Obama :lmao

I'm sorry but you guys without a doubt the stupidest bunch of dipshits I have ever encountered in my life.


:lmao McCain is afraid of Barry Obama?


That's fucking hilarious.



Findog...you and Manny talking about how precious your vote for the annoited one is to you, is far scarier than Obama himself is....ya'll are the scary ones.


:lol

What a bunch of idiots.


Jesus!

Whottt, you become stupider with every passing post!

[01.20.09]

Whottt is proof that drugs fry your brain.

[possessed]

Whottt.......seems..........to........have........ .....the.......staying...............power........ ......it..............takes..............to....... .....win..........this...........battle........... .

WTF... :lmao:rollin:lol

Some folks have too much time on their hands.

[ElNono]

........,but where is the original?

Reaching much? What part of 'This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding' is not clear to you?

Shit, my wife's original birth certificate was destroyed from wear and tear over the years. She's got a certified copy from the state. What else does she need?

[Bigzax]

if obama would let a little brutha come out and say

"why don't the muthafucka say it to ma face!"

then he'd get my vote...at least he'd come off as real.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Reaching much? What part of 'This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding' is not clear to you?if i read "copy" wouldn't you think i read the whole sentence? if it must be clear to you, then yes i did read the whole sentence and it is clear. i just noticed the June 07 2007 stamp on the other side. having that stamped fairly close to when he announced his presidency leaves me with questions. wouldn't he have needed one to run for senate or any public office he had? what did he use for those instances. i'm assuming he would need a birth certificate for those, no?


Shit, my wife's original birth certificate was destroyed from wear and tear over the years. She's got a certified copy from the state. What else does she need?that's weak. i have my original unlaminated social security in my back pocket and i've bought many wallets. plus how in the hell do you wear and tear a birth certificate?

[JoeChalupa]

if obama would let a little brutha come out and say

"why don't the muthafucka say it to ma face!"

then he'd get my vote...at least he'd come off as real.

He's real.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/clintsquint/chill-dark-shirt2.jpg

[ElNono]

if i read "copy" wouldn't you think i read the whole sentence? if it must be clear to you, then yes i did read the whole sentence and it is clear. i just noticed the June 07 2007 stamp on the other side. having that stamped fairly close to when he announced his presidency leaves me with questions. wouldn't he have needed one to run for senate or any public office he had? what did he use for those instances. i'm assuming he would need a birth certificate for those, no?

Another copy? The original which he subsequently lost? The one that the dog ate?
See, the point here is this: YOU have to prove that he did anything illegal. I'll be waiting.


that's weak. i have my original unlaminated social security in my back pocket and i've bought many wallets. plus how in the hell do you wear and tear a birth certificate?

The print on it is pretty much gone. It's basically illegible. It was also folded many times, and it broke at some of those parts after 30+ years.
It's not 'weak' at all. It's very real.

[hater]

Obama is the one daring McCain to say it to his face. I don't know if you guys have seen Obama's answers when confronted with this, but they aren't inspiring.

And ya'll are the ones saying McCain is afraid to confront Obama on this.


Now tell me, what could he possibly have to fear from Obama?


Nothing.


It sounds to me like he's in Obama's head. Which is exactly where he wants to be. He who can make you angry controls you.


Obama fully expected to be confronted with the Ayers stuff last night and it's fucking with his head that he wasn't.

Why wasn't he?

Good question....he's holding it back?

Town Hall wasn't a good format for it?

Wants to be seen as positive?

Right questions to bring it up weren't asked?

Dunno...all I know is it's under Obama's skin in a major way if Obama's daring McCain to say it to his face :lol.



McCain is not afraid of Obama...not verbally, not physicially, not in anyway. What a horrible misjudgement on the part of ya'll....


Old people in general are fearless...ya'll think about your grandparents for a second and see if you disagree. It's young people that are afraid.


People fear what they don't know and are uncertain about...and there's a lot more that young people don't know about than there is that old people don't know about.


IME, old people kinda just don't give a shit.


Neither do pilots who get back into planes after they've already been in 3 crashes, and then bust their ass to recover from broken bones suffered as a POW(and a crash)...to do it after 4 of them.


McCain is absolutely fucking fearless in every sense of the word. I can't believe you guys think this man is afraid of anything, outside of maybe losing his temper.


your genius misses the whole point again. what a surprise :rolleyes

I think most ppl are saying Mcain is afraid but not of Obama. Mcain is not afraid of Obama at all. Mcain is afraid that he will look like a dickhead in front of the nation if he acts like the dickhead he really is.

He is afraid the nation will see the real Mcain, an old, senile, decrepit, impotent angry man who is lashing out at a young brother who is beating his ass in the election.

[ChumpDumper]

wouldn't he have needed one to run for senate or any public office he had? what did he use for those instances. i'm assuming he would need a birth certificate for those, no?No. One need not be a natural born citizen to hold those offices.

And regardless, it's not a bad idea to keep your own copy of your birth certificate and then get another to keep at your campaign HQ for inspection by the press and forgery experts -- who all have verified its authenticity, BTW.

[boutons_]

When a man on a national stage, before millions of viewers, won't look at or shake the hand, not even touch the hand, of his opponent, that's fear, that tacky, that classlessness, that's not the fair play and good sportsmanship most Americans expect in their leaders, and in their children.

McLoser is an unprincipled scumbug, demonstrated more and more every day as he sees his dream of the WH slip out of his pathetic reach.

[nkdlunch]

:lmao what a bunch of fucking idiots.


This dude was a wrestler and boxer in the Navy. He's been in like 4 or 5 air plane crashes, he was captured by the Viet Cong and tortured for 5 years, he's had 4 bouts with cancer and he's in the twilight years of his life...




if he was such a badass why did he let his ass get captured?? :lmao :lmao

a real badass fights to the death

[boutons_]

McLame was shot down because, in a moment of crisis, he admits he didn't take evasive action in his faster, more nimble plane, continued his bombing run, and the SAM got him.

So his POW story is actually of his own creation, his own fucking incompetence, his bad decision making, his own fucking fault.

McBottomGun is much "too risky" to be in the WH.

[ElNono]

if he was such a badass why did he let his ass get captured?? :lmao :lmao

a real badass fights to the death

whottt also forgot to mention that he doesn't know how to run a campaign...

[angel_luv]

Speaking of saying things to someone's face, I wish I could speak in person to each candidate before voting for one of them.

[Bigzax]

the best argument against obama is that he's boutons guy...:lol

[baseline bum]

the best argument against obama is that he's boutons guy...:lol

... the counter argument would be that McCain is Yonivore's

[Findog]

Voting against someone because of the worst of their supporters is lame. Those videos that have been posted make me sad, but they don't necessarily reflect on McCain or Palin...except for the fact that about 5 days ago Johnny Mac must have seen the internal polling and shit a brick and decided to go negative.

[ChumpDumper]

People have got to be noticing how McCain acts around Obama. It's actually pretty funny.

[Kamala]

At first I thought McCain was just old school and I believed was trying to be honorable by not bringing it up. He is a war hero but looks like a pussy wimp right now letting his no interview giving VP do the dirty work.

Nice 300 billion mortgage idea. More proof that corporate Republicans have killed conservatism. Now Bush and even McCain are supporting socialist ideas because it protects the bottom line. :lmao

[jochhejaam]

Gotta love the political machismo, reminiscent of his "John McCain doesn't know what he's up against" remark.

"Say it to my face", and then what if he does, challenge him to meet you on the playground after the debate? Sucka-punch him?

Soundin' more like a juvenile delinquent than a president.

[boutons_]

McChickenShit's main surrogates and proxies are all women, his Ice Queen wife who started sliming HUSSEIN this week, his radical fundamentalist/secessionist/fringe-cult pitbull bitch, and his stupid, fat daughter.

What's up with that? Not working out very well with the female vote, as HUSSEIN is increasing his lead in the female vote, esp independent female voters

"In our August 26th poll John McCain was up 53-29 with independent women. Now Obama is up 45-40."

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-and-female-vote.html

[Findog]

Gotta love the political machismo, reminiscent of his "John McCain doesn't know what he's up against" remark.

"Say it to my face", and then what if he does, challenge him to meet you on the playground after the debate? Sucka-punch him?

Soundin' more like a juvenile delinquent than a president.

John McCain is a coward. If he truly believed this Ayers stuff was relevant not a campaign strategy, he would raise it at the debates. He didn't because he's a pussy who hides behind his running mate's skirt to launch smears.

[jochhejaam]

Was there some sort of pre-agreement for the debate that prevented Obama from bringing up the fact that the McCain Campaign(and countless others) has taken his association with America hater Ayers to the public?
He sat comfortably under the bigoted America hater, Jerry Wright for 20 years, so it should come as a surprise to absolutely no one that he had close ties to the like-minded America hater Ayers.

When your carefully chosen friends, associates and mentors are bigoted America haters, you have a problem.





And runnin' his mouth about it after the debate? WEAK!

[ChumpDumper]

I agree that McCain's running his mouth after the debate is weak.

[Findog]

This is what happens when you open up Pandora's box, Johnny Mac. You don't easily close it back up:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/mccain-defends-his-rabid_n_133710.html

John McCain sought to walk back some of the hostility that he and his crowds have projected towards Barack Obama in recent days, saying he wanted to run a respectful campaign and urging his supporters to think of Obama as a decent person.

He was promptly booed.

After an attendee at his town hall said he was concerned about bringing up a child under a president who "cohorts with domestic terrorists such as [Bill] Ayers," McCain didn't take the bait. Rather, he sought to calm the questioner's obviously emotional tone.

"[Senator Obama] is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States," he said, before adding: "If I didn't think I would be one heck of a better president I wouldn't be running."

The crowd groaned with disapproval. Later in the townhall McCain was pressed again about Obama's "other-ness" and again he refused to play ball.

"He is a decent family man and citizen that I just have disagreements with on fundamental issues," he said.

[Findog]

Was there some sort of pre-agreement for the debate that prevented Obama from bringing up the fact that the McCain Campaign(and countless others) has taken his association with America hater Ayers to the public?
He sat comfortably under the bigoted America hater, Jerry Wright for 20 years, so it should come as a surprise to absolutely no one that he had close ties to the like-minded America hater Ayers.

When your carefully chosen friends, associates and mentors are bigoted America haters, you have a problem.





And runnin' his mouth about it after the debate? WEAK!

People are getting foreclosed out of their homes, seeing the values of their 401Ks plummet, getting laid off, etc.

Fuck your concern over Obama's "associations" with "America haters." What about John McCain's troubling ties to Bill Ayers?

The founder of Reader’s Digest, Walter Annenberg, provided Bill Ayers with a $49.2 million education grant in the 1990s. Not only did Annenberg found Reader’s Digest, but he was also a good friend of Ronald Reagan. His widow, Leonore Annenberg, served on the same board that Barack Obama & Bill Ayers served on together (for the Annenberg Challenge.)

Leonore Annenberg is now a supporter of John McCain. The McCain campaign was proud enough of her endorsement that they included it in a press release. But using the McCain campaign’s standards, she also “pals around with terrorists.” Should they be accepting the endorsement of someone like that?

[clambake]

This is what happens when you open up Pandora's box, Johnny Mac. You don't easily close it back up:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/mccain-defends-his-rabid_n_133710.html

John McCain sought to walk back some of the hostility that he and his crowds have projected towards Barack Obama in recent days, saying he wanted to run a respectful campaign and urging his supporters to think of Obama as a decent person.

He was promptly booed.

After an attendee at his town hall said he was concerned about bringing up a child under a president who "cohorts with domestic terrorists such as [Bill] Ayers," McCain didn't take the bait. Rather, he sought to calm the questioner's obviously emotional tone.

"[Senator Obama] is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States," he said, before adding: "If I didn't think I would be one heck of a better president I wouldn't be running."

The crowd groaned with disapproval. Later in the townhall McCain was pressed again about Obama's "other-ness" and again he refused to play ball.

"He is a decent family man and citizen that I just have disagreements with on fundamental issues," he said.

he really said that?

i guess that means palin will have to stick to "maverick" and "you betcha".

[Findog]

he really said that?

i guess that means palin will have to stick to "maverick" and "you betcha".

He'll resort to talking like a centrist and continue to let Palin play the fool.

:lmao at him getting booed for not whipping them up into a lather over Ayers. Can you imagine a major party presidential candidate getting booed at a rally by his own supporters?

[clambake]

he should have tried to educate those morally bankrupt rednecks in the beginning.

[Wild Cobra]

People are getting foreclosed out of their homes, seeing the values of their 401Ks plummet, getting laid off, etc.

What's new besides the foreclosures being almost double what they normally are? Stupid fools should not have put themselves in those positions.

401K's... Anyone who has properly invested by group is safe. In fact, right now, I'm buying almost double the stocks every two weeks as I would at value. This will be a great help for my portfolio when the market returns.

Lay off are also a normal cyclical function. However, I fear now things may get serious now that we are bailing out corporate fools that should go under. I do not believe in giving gamblers more money to piss away.


Fuck your concern over Obama's "associations" with "America haters." What about John McCain's troubling ties to Bill Ayers? <snip>

Refer to the thread you started with that concern. It doesn't help to discuss it in multiple places.

[whottt]

your genius misses the whole point again. what a surprise :rolleyes

I think most ppl are saying Mcain is afraid but not of Obama. Mcain is not afraid of Obama at all. Mcain is afraid that he will look like a dickhead in front of the nation if he acts like the dickhead he really is.


Ok well if that's what ya'll are saying the I retract my ststements that you guys are ignorant. As long as you aren't saying he's afraid of Obama...because that would be ridiculous.




He is afraid the nation will see the real Mcain, an old, senile, decrepit, impotent angry man who is lashing out at a young brother who is beating his ass in the election.

I don't think he's afraid of that either...my retraction is hereby retracted.

[byrontx]

If Cobra is doubling down on stocks he must not be too worried about the economy under President Obama.