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ElNono
10-09-2008, 06:53 PM
With the economy the mess it is, nobody probably really cares. But since the report is due tomorrow, I figured I'll post an update I found.

LINK (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/us/10trooper.html?hp)

In Dozens of Calls, Palins and Aides Pressed for Trooper’s Removal
By SERGE F. KOVALESKI
Published: October 9, 2008

ANCHORAGE — The 2007 state fair was days away when Alaska’s public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, took another call about one of his troopers, Michael Wooten. This time, the director of Gov. Sarah Palin’s Anchorage office was on the line.

As Mr. Monegan recalls it, the aide said the governor had heard that Mr. Wooten was assigned to work the kickoff to the fair. If so, Mr. Monegan should do something about it, because Ms. Palin was also planning to attend and did not want the trooper nearby.

Somewhat bewildered, Mr. Monegan soon determined that Mr. Wooten had indeed volunteered for duty at the fairgrounds — in full costume as “Safety Bear,” the troopers’ child-friendly mascot.

Two years earlier, the trooper and the governor’s sister had been embroiled in a nasty divorce and child-custody battle that had hardened the Palin family against him. To Mr. Monegan and several top aides, the state fair episode was yet another example of a fixation that the governor and her husband, Todd, had with Mr. Wooten and the most granular details of his life.

“I thought to myself, ‘Man, do they have a heavy-duty network and focus on this guy,’ ” Mr. Monegan said. “You’d call that an obsession.”

On July 11, Ms. Palin fired Mr. Monegan, setting off a politically charged scandal that has become vastly more so since Ms. Palin became the Republican vice-presidential nominee.

By now, the outlines of the matter have been widely reported. Mr. Monegan believes he was ousted because he would not bow to pressure to dismiss Mr. Wooten. The Alaska Legislature is investigating the firing and whether the governor abused the powers of her office to pursue a personal vendetta. Its report is due Friday.

Ms. Palin has denied that anyone told Mr. Monegan to dismiss Mr. Wooten, or that the commissioner’s ouster had anything to do with the trooper. But an examination of the case, based on interviews with Mr. Monegan and several top aides, indicates that, to a far greater degree than was previously known, the governor, her husband and her administration pressed the commissioner and his staff to get Mr. Wooten off the force, though without directly ordering it.

In all, the commissioner and his aides were contacted about Mr. Wooten three dozen times over 19 months by the governor, her husband and seven administration officials, interviews and documents show.

“To all of us, it was a campaign to get rid of him as a trooper and, at the very least, to smear the guy and give him a desk job somewhere,” said Kim Peterson, Mr. Monegan’s special assistant, who like several other aides spoke publicly about the matter for the first time.

Ms. Peterson, a 31-year veteran of state government who retired 10 days before Mr. Monegan’s firing, said she received about a dozen calls herself. “It was very clear that someone from the governor’s office wanted him watched,” she said.

Nor did that interest end with Mr. Monegan, the examination shows. His successor, Chuck Kopp, recalled that in an exploratory phone call and then a job interview, Ms. Palin’s aides mentioned the governor’s concerns about Mr. Wooten. None of the 280 other troopers were discussed, Mr. Kopp said.

Immediately after Mr. Monegan’s firing, Ms. Palin said her intent was to change the department’s direction. (She declined to be interviewed for this article.) She has since offered a variety of explanations for his ouster, most recently accusing him of insubordination and opposing her fiscal reforms.

As evidence, she has contended, among other things, that Mr. Monegan arranged two unauthorized lobbying trips to Washington. But according to interviews and records obtained by The New York Times both trips were authorized by the governor’s office.

As for Mr. Wooten, Ms. Palin has said she and others were simply lodging legitimate complaints to the appropriate authorities about a trooper with a disciplinary record who was a danger to her family and to the public. In one instance, she said Mr. Wooten made a death threat against her father in 2005, an accusation that Mr. Wooten has denied.

Ms. Palin initially said she welcomed an investigation into Mr. Monegan’s ouster. But she has since declined to cooperate with the bipartisan inquiry, which Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign says has been “hijacked” by Democratic lawmakers. Ms. Palin has pledged to cooperate with a separate inquiry, by the state’s Personnel Board.

Beyond the potential political consequences, the Legislature’s inquiry, depending on its outcome, could lead lawmakers to censure Ms. Palin or pass legislation making it more difficult for a governor to remove a commissioner, legislative leaders said.

Watching Mr. Wooten

The Palin family’s dispute with Mr. Wooten surfaced long before Ms. Palin became governor.

On April 11, 2005, the day Ms. Palin’s sister, Molly McCann, filed for divorce, her father, Chuck Heath, informed the state police that a domestic-violence restraining order had been served on his son-in-law. Mr. Heath later told the state police that, although Mr. Wooten had not physically harmed Ms. McCann, he had intimidated her. Ms. McCann told authorities that Mr. Wooten said to her that he would shoot Mr. Heath if he hired her a divorce lawyer and would “take down” Sarah Palin if she got involved.

The family also reported that Mr. Wooten, who was assigned to the wildlife investigations unit, shot a cow, or female, moose without a permit, used a Taser on his 10-year-old stepson and drank a beer at a friend’s barbecue before taking a second one for the drive home in his patrol car.

In March 2006, after an internal inquiry, Mr. Wooten received a 10-day suspension, which was eventually halved. The suspension letter mentions nothing about threats. At the time, Mr. Wooten and Ms. McCann had been divorced for about two months. But their relationship remained tumultuous, primarily over child care, said Ms. McCann’s divorce lawyer, Roberta Erwin.

Ms. McCann “wanted to know what relief was available to her” without spending the money to return to court, the lawyer said, adding, “As a close family, the Palins did their best to help her by reaching out further to the trooper hierarchy, with Todd taking the lead.”

On Jan. 4, 2007, a month into the Palin administration and his tenure as public safety commissioner, Mr. Monegan was called to the governor’s Anchorage office to meet Todd Palin. Mr. Palin was seated at a conference table with three stacks of personnel files. That, Mr. Monegan recalled, was the first time he heard the name Mike Wooten.

“He conveyed to me that he and Sarah did not think the investigation into Wooten had been done well enough and that they were not happy with the punishment,” Mr. Monegan said. “Todd was clearly frustrated.”

Mr. Palin noted Mr. Wooten’s divorce case but dwelt on the moose kill, even showing photographs of the dead animal, Mr. Monegan recalled. The commissioner said he would have his staff evaluate the evidence.

A few days later, Mr. Monegan informed Mr. Palin that the issues raised at the meeting had been addressed in Mr. Wooten’s suspension. The case was closed.

Mr. Palin sounded vexed and said repeatedly that Mr. Wooten was getting away with a crime, Mr. Monegan said. “I hung up wondering how long I could keep my job if I tick off my boss’s husband.”

Several evenings later, Mr. Monegan’s cellphone rang. “Walt, it’s Sarah,” the governor said before echoing much of what her husband had said. Mr. Wooten, he recalls being told, was “not the kind of person we should want as a trooper.” He told the governor, too, that there was no new evidence to pursue.

Soon after that, Mr. Palin and several aides began pressing the public safety agency to investigate another matter: whether Mr. Wooten was fraudulently collecting workers’ compensation for a back injury he said he had suffered while helping carry a body bag.

Mr. Palin’s evidence: He told Ms. Peterson, the commissioner’s assistant, that he had seen Mr. Wooten riding a snowmobile while on medical leave, and that he had photographs to prove it.

When Mr. Palin called back two weeks later, Ms. Peterson said she had met with the trooper but was not authorized to discuss the conversation because it was an official state personnel matter. The issue was eventually resolved in Mr. Wooten’s favor, after his chiropractor sent a letter explaining that he had approved of Mr. Wooten’s riding a snowmobile, as long as he was careful.

Mr. Palin declined to be interviewed. But in a sworn affidavit this week for the legislative investigation, he wrote that he had hundreds of communications about the trooper “with my family, with friends, with colleagues and with just about everyone I could, including government officials.” He added, “In fact, I talked about Wooten so much over the years that my wife told me to stop talking about it with her.”

As for what he had told his wife, Mr. Palin said he often raised his concerns about “the unfairness of his remaining on the state troopers when he was obviously so unfit for the job.”

Of the dozen calls Ms. Peterson received about Mr. Wooten, she said, at least half were from Dianne Kiesel, a deputy director at the Department of Administration. The last discussion with Ms. Kiesel came after Ms. Peterson informed her that the trooper had been cleared to work full time.

“Since there was now no business reason to separate Wooten, she wanted to know what else we could do with him,” Ms. Peterson said, adding, “I could tell she was under pressure to come up with something.”

Ms. Kiesel enumerated various possibilities, like moving him to the cold-case unit or giving him a desk job doing background checks.

Ms. Peterson, who had worked in human resources management for most of her government career, said she pointed out that those options would violate the public safety union’s contract.

At one meeting, Ms. Peterson recalled, the commissioner of administration, Annette Kreitzer, said “to keep an eye on him and that he gets no special privileges.”

In an interview, Ms. Kreitzer said she was simply calling for routine monitoring of an employee who had a disciplinary history or had not been evaluated in a while. Six other administration aides who initiated contacts with public safety officials about Mr. Wooten either did not return calls or declined to comment.

As for Mr. Wooten’s planned appearance as Safety Bear, Mr. Monegan said he decided to pull him back.

Unexpected Firing

In July, Ms. Palin’s acting chief of staff called Mr. Monegan to another meeting in that same room in the governor’s Anchorage office. The aide, Michael A. Nizich, said the governor wanted him to head the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, part of the public safety department. Put another way, he was no longer commissioner.

Saying the firing had come “out of the blue,” Mr. Monegan asked how he had upset the governor. Ms. Palin, the aide said, wanted to take the agency in a new direction.

“Was it Wooten?” Mr. Monegan recalled asking.

“A new direction,” was the reply.

The Legislature’s investigation began after a local blogger, who had been a political rival of Ms. Palin, linked Mr. Monegan’s firing to, among other reasons, his refusal to dismiss Mr. Wooten. Initially the governor said through a spokeswoman that the dismissal had nothing to do with a “personality conflict.” Since then, her explanations have evolved, from saying that he was lagging on filling trooper vacancies and tackling alcohol-abuse problems in rural Alaska to showing an “intolerable pattern of insubordination” and a “rogue mentality” by resisting her authority and spending reforms, sometimes publicly.

Mr. Monegan’s successor, Mr. Kopp, said that when the trooper came up in his pre-employment conversations with Palin aides, “it was raised within the context of one of the things that I needed to be aware of, but there was no direction to take any job action.”

During his first week on the job, Mr. Kopp received a call from Mr. Nizich. Mr. Wooten, in uniform, had shown up at the governor’s picnic, which is open to the public. “Is there anything you can do?” Mr. Nizich asked, explaining that the Palins were concerned about his presence.

Mr. Wooten was told to leave the area.

About a week later, Mr. Kopp resigned amid scrutiny of a 2005 sexual harassment complaint.

Mr. Wooten, who declined to be interviewed for this article, remains on the force as a patrol trooper.

Wild Cobra
10-09-2008, 09:03 PM
I'm waiting for tomorrows ruling. I firmly believe she did nothing wrong.

Nbadan
10-09-2008, 10:16 PM
No problem...she's already exonerated herself according to the Neocon AP!

Palin pre-empts state report, clears self in probe
By MATT APUZZO – 45 minutes ago


ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Trying to head off a potentially embarrassing state ethics report on GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, campaign officials released their own report Thursday that clears her of any wrongdoing.

Sen. John McCain's running mate is the subject of a legislative investigation into whether she abused her power as governor by firing her public safety commissioner. The commissioner, Walter Monegan, says he was dismissed in July for resisting pressure from Palin's husband, Todd Palin, and numerous top aides to fire state trooper Mike Wooten, Palin's former brother-in-law.

Lawmakers are expected to release their own findings Friday. Campaign officials have yet to see that report — the result of an investigation that began before she was tapped as McCain's running mate — but said the investigation has falsely portrayed a legitimate policy dispute between a governor and her commissioner as something inappropriate.

"The following document will prove Walt Monegan's dismissal was a result of his insubordination and budgetary clashes with Governor Palin and her administration," campaign officials wrote. "Trooper Wooten is a separate issue."

AP (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOTk11gvqDAgD0cY3i4WjI_2YOxwD93NBOT00)

"It is tragic that a false story hatched by a blogger after drinks with Trooper Wooten
led the legislature to allocate over $100,000 of public money to be spent in what
has become a politically driven investigation," the 21-page report concludes.

:lol

CubanMustGo
10-09-2008, 10:19 PM
Why, it says here that Palin campaign officials (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOTk11gvqDAgD0cY3i4WjI_2YOxwD93NBOT00) have just released a report that "clears" her. It says that some evil blogger caused all the problems.

How nice to know that Sarah doesn't think she has to wait for the legal process, I guess she's as qualified as Bush the Lesser in that category.

Wild Cobra
10-10-2008, 12:02 PM
That's not the report we are waiting for. My guess is that it will be released later, possible as many as 8 more hours. It's still rather early in the morning in Alaska, and I don't think the business day has started yet.

clambake
10-10-2008, 12:05 PM
That's not the report we are waiting for. My guess is that it will be released later, possible as many as 8 more hours. It's still rather early in the morning in Alaska, and I don't think the business day has started yet.

did your mom vote when you were on welfare?

ChumpDumper
10-10-2008, 07:37 PM
Looks like a net negative for Palin. "Abuse of power" phrase is being bandied about.

lurker
10-10-2008, 07:39 PM
http://download1.legis.state.ak.us/DOWNLOAD.pdf

Sarah Palin abused her power when she fired her Public Safety Commissioner this July, a state investigation has concluded.
The Alaska legislature voted to release the several hundred page report on the "Troopergate" scandal, a state kerfuffle which has come to haunt Gov. Sarah Palin's vice presidential bid. The scandal centered around her firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. Monegan and others believed Palin fired him because he refused to take action against Mike Wooten, a state trooper under him who had been involved in a messy divorce with Palin's sister, Molly.
The investigator, Stephen Branchflower, found that Monegan's refusal to fire Wooten "was not the sole reason" but was "likely a contributing factor" to his firing.
Branchflower also said Palin's attorney general failed to provide him with emails of Palin's that he had requested as part of the probe.

ducks
10-10-2008, 07:40 PM
If It Was Not The Sole Reason Why Would She Be Guilty?

AND IF IT WAS LIKELY HOW CAN THAT PROVE TO BE A 100% TRUE THAT IT WAS A REASON

ChumpDumper
10-10-2008, 07:43 PM
The campaign can still say the firing was legal, but it just doesn't look good politically.

ducks
10-10-2008, 07:46 PM
Palin says Monegan was fired as part of a legitimate budget dispute.

ducks
10-10-2008, 07:47 PM
The campaign can still say the firing was legal, but it just doesn't look good politically.

NO it does not but I think she is innonecent
it is almost impossible to fire someone now days without a legal battle

ChumpDumper
10-10-2008, 08:13 PM
The majority Republican board unanimously said she is not innocent.

That said, I doubt there will be any real legal fallout for her.

Wild Cobra
10-10-2008, 08:23 PM
The majority Republican board unanimously said she is not innocent.

That said, I doubt there will be any real legal fallout for her.

I just heard what the passage was she violated, and that is very iffy. It looks like to me that the findings are biased to find any small scrap of fault in her. Fox quoted the ethics violation cited. You really have to stretch real hard to place her actions there. Sorry, I don't have the quote. I heard it on the news.

ChumpDumper
10-10-2008, 08:27 PM
No, you really don't have to stretch to find the violations, that's why the findings on the Republican-majority panel were unanimous. As for the bias you claim?

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Wild Cobra
10-10-2008, 08:30 PM
No, you really don't have to stretch to find the violations, that's why the findings on the Republican-majority panel were unanimous. As for the bias you claim?

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What she violated is the quote in finding #1, page 8. Tell me how she personally or financially gained over the firing.

ChumpDumper
10-10-2008, 08:32 PM
She personally got an advantage in a personal grudge match.

In what percentage of intelligence did you claim to be?

ChumpDumper
10-10-2008, 08:38 PM
Seriously WC, please substantiate your claim that the panel of four Democrats and ten Republicans are biased to find any small fault with Palin.

Findog
10-10-2008, 08:39 PM
:lmao

Schaudenfreude is great.

hater
10-10-2008, 08:45 PM
Dayum what a top shelf bitch. Means if u looking at a shelf full of bitches, she's right at d top

Wild Cobra
10-10-2008, 08:55 PM
Seriously WC, please substantiate your claim that the panel of four Democrats and ten Republicans are biased to find any small fault with Palin.
She shook things up. Career politicians didn't like her from either side of the isle.

For the second time. How did she violate that ethics rule.

ChumpDumper
10-10-2008, 08:56 PM
She shook things up. Career politicians didn't like her from either side of the isle.That's your idea of substantiation?

You really suck at this.

Wild Cobra
10-10-2008, 08:57 PM
She personally got an advantage in a personal grudge match.

In what percentage of intelligence did you claim to be?

That's not a proper answer. Very subjective.

Wild Cobra
10-10-2008, 08:59 PM
That's your idea of substantiation?

You really suck at this.
That's all I should have to say. It's been in the news about how she took actions against republicans.

ChumpDumper
10-10-2008, 08:59 PM
She shook things up. Career politicians didn't like her from either side of the isle.

For the second time. How did she violate that ethics rule.For the second time, she personally benefited by gaining advantage in a personal grudge match.

For the second time, please substantiate your claim that the panel of four Democrats and ten Republicans were unanimously biased towards finding any small fault with Palin.

"Because I said so" doesn't count.

ChumpDumper
10-10-2008, 09:00 PM
That's all I should have to say. It's been in the news about how she took actions against republicans.State which actions she specifically took against each member of this panel. You have made a serious charge here. Back it up.

Wild Cobra
10-10-2008, 09:02 PM
For the second time, she personally benefited by gaining advantage in a personal grudge match.

For the second time, please substantiate your claim that the panel of four Democrats and ten Republicans were unanimously biased towards finding any small fault with Palin.

"Because I said so" doesn't count.
How can I accept that when she had the right to fire him for any reason?

Notice the report does not recommend any action against her, and it does in fact say she had the right to do as she did.

I'm wasting no more time on this because there is nothing to defend. It's all in lberal minds which is impossible for me to change.

BushDynasty
10-10-2008, 09:04 PM
. It's all in lberal minds which is impossible for me to change.

I didn't know those Republican fellas up on that panel were libs. No wonder nobody likes me.

ChumpDumper
10-10-2008, 09:06 PM
How can I accept that when she had the right to fire him for any reason?She still benefitted personally. Your attempt to move the goalposts doesn't make any difference. The big problem was her having her husband pressure other people in government whan all she had to do was fire the guy.


Notice the report does not recommend any action against her, and it does in fact say she had the right to do as she did.I have already said there will probably be no legal fallout for her -- and that goes against your claims of bias, so thanks for bringing that up.


I'm wasting no more time on this because there is nothing to defend. It's all in lberal minds which is impossible for me to change.So in other words, you were just making up all these charges of bias and now that you were called on them, you are running away.

SpursFanFirst
10-10-2008, 09:10 PM
UPDATE:
Alaska panel finds Palin abused power in firing

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/palin_troopergate

ChumpDumper
10-10-2008, 09:16 PM
The statue say "any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust."

Getting rid of Monegan beacasue he wouldn't fire Wooten benefitted Palin's personal interest. I agree it's a pretty lame reason, but the whole episode is ridiculously petty. If Wooten was evil incarnate like Palin claims, then the Palins should have gone through the criminal and civil system to address it like everyone else has to.

ElNono
10-10-2008, 09:40 PM
I'm actually more concerned about her husband rummaging through private files and questioning government employees. Did he hold any position on the government?

Findog
10-10-2008, 09:58 PM
I'm excited to hear whottt weigh in....


Typical smear job by the media elite that is threatened by the most charismatic politician since Reagan and Clinton...

What they don't realize is this is going to massively backfire...

Voters in the heartland don't take kindly to partisan witchhunts against such a charismatic politician...

This probably added a point or two to McCain's lead in the polls...

I'm going to go ahead and say this puts Illinois and possibly even the District of Columbia in play...

You fucking idiots just couldn't help yourselves...

ElNono
10-10-2008, 10:00 PM
I'm excited to hear whottt weigh in....

:lol

He's been surprisingly missing as of late...

Shastafarian
10-10-2008, 10:00 PM
Typical smear job by the media elite that is threatened by the most charismatic politician since Reagan and Clinton...

What they don't realize is this is going to massively backfire...

Voters in the heartland don't take kindly to partisan witchhunts against such a charismatic politician...

This probably added a point or two to McCain's lead in the polls...

I'm going to go ahead and say this puts Illinois and possibly even the District of Columbia in play...

You fucking idiots just couldn't help yourselves...

This isn't a real quote is it?

Findog
10-10-2008, 10:03 PM
This isn't a real quote is it?

Is it any worse than the shit he usually spews?

Shastafarian
10-10-2008, 10:04 PM
Is it any worse than the shit he usually spews?

I dunno. Predicting Illinois and D.C. coming back into play is just....ok touché

Wild Cobra
10-10-2008, 10:13 PM
The statue say "any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust."

Getting rid of Monegan beacasue he wouldn't fire Wooten benefitted Palin's personal interest. I agree it's a pretty lame reason, but the whole episode is ridiculously petty. If Wooten was evil incarnate like Palin claims, then the Palins should have gone through the criminal and civil system to address it like everyone else has to.

It's a very lame conclusion considering to say that, they must conclude that Palin didn't have other cause to fire him. She had ligitamate reasons to fire him.

Take him through the civil system? She had no need to, and he didn't do anything illegal that of know of anyway. She was 100% withing her right to fire someone who has a position that serves at the govorners pleasure. She was not pleased with his job performance.

It's just that simple.

ChumpDumper
10-10-2008, 10:19 PM
It's a very lame conclusion considering to say that, they must conclude that Palin didn't have other cause to fire him. She had ligitamate reasons to fire him.Then she should have just fired him without 250 pages worth of shenanigans.


Take him through the civil system? She had no need to, and he didn't do anything illegal that of know of anyway.I'm talking about Wooten, and the Palins have indeed attempted to paint him as a menace to their family. Try to keep up.


She was 100% withing her right to fire someone who has a position that serves at the govorners pleasure. She was not pleased with his job performance.

It's just that simple.Too bad for you and Palin it isn't. She was stupid and now the headline is "Palin abuses power."

Now where is all your evidence of the actions that Palin took against easch memeber of the panel that made them all biased against her.

Or are you "done" again now that you know you have none?

SpursFanFirst
10-10-2008, 10:57 PM
So what happens now?

Wild Cobra
10-10-2008, 11:00 PM
So what happens now?
LOL

The libtards think they finally have something on Palin!

Shastafarian
10-10-2008, 11:02 PM
LOL

The libtards think they finally have something on Palin!

Us "libtards" already had something on her when she couldn't answer simple questions in an interview.

ChumpDumper
10-10-2008, 11:02 PM
Nothing happens now. At worst she might get a slap on the wrist from the legislature.

The damage is political but since they are so far behind, even that doesn't matter much now.

Wild Cobra
10-10-2008, 11:08 PM
Us "libtards" already had something on her when she couldn't answer simple questions in an interview.
Thing is, rasonable people don't agree who are the swing voters. I'm going to vote McCain?Palin anyway. I assume if you are old enough to vote, you are going to vote Obama/Biden anyway. It changes nothing, except I see the more unjustified attacks against McCain/Palin as bringing the swing voters towards them.

Consider how little credibility there is on the attacks against her and McCain. There is at least some pretty fine facts surrounding critism against Obama and Biden.

This argument against Palin is so weak.

ChumpDumper
10-10-2008, 11:10 PM
Consider how little credibility there is on the attacks against her and McCain. There is at least some pretty fine facts surrounding critism against Obama and Biden.The unanimous decision of a majority Republican panel in her own state is a pretty fine fact against Palin.

Shastafarian
10-10-2008, 11:11 PM
Thing is, rasonable people don't agree who are the swing voters. I'm going to vote McCain?Palin anyway. I assume if you are old enough to vote, you are going to vote Obama/Biden anyway. It changes nothing, except I see the more unjustified attacks against McCain/Palin as bringing the swing voters towards them.

Consider how little credibility there is on the attacks against her and McCain. There is at least some pretty fine facts surrounding critism against Obama and Biden.

This argument against Palin is so weak.

No it isn't. She couldn't answer simple questions (supreme court case she disagreed with, newspaper she reads). She seems like she's been in Alaska for the past 20 years of her life. Oh wait...She has! She might know Alaska fairly well (though she thinks they produce 20% of the domestic supply of energy when it's actually 3.5%) but she doesn't know shit about the country and what it takes to run it.

baseline bum
10-10-2008, 11:16 PM
No it isn't. She couldn't answer simple questions (supreme court case she disagreed with, newspaper she reads). She seems like she's been in Alaska for the past 20 years of her life. Oh wait...She has! She might know Alaska fairly well (though she thinks they produce 20% of the domestic supply of energy when it's actually 3.5%) but she doesn't know shit about the country and what it takes to run it.

You could have just ended the post with 'but she doesn't know shit.'

Shastafarian
10-10-2008, 11:17 PM
You could have just ended the post with 'but she doesn't know shit.'

True but then it looks like I'm using a cop out. I wanted to at least give a few examples of how little she knows.

Wild Cobra
10-11-2008, 06:06 PM
The unanimous decision of a majority Republican panel in her own state is a pretty fine fact against Palin.
I didn't read that anywhere in the report. It is laced with "I" in so many places. I thought the report was made by the investigator, Stephen Branchflower, for the panel. Please direct me to what page of 263 that validates your claim. Maybe I just haven't got that far yet.

ChumpDumper
10-11-2008, 06:12 PM
Sorry, the decision to make the report public was unanimous. Apparently, none of them had a problem with it that they would want it withheld.

ChumpDumper
10-11-2008, 06:13 PM
But remember, there are over 1000 pages that you still can't see. So who knows what else is going on.

Wild Cobra
10-11-2008, 06:31 PM
Sorry, the decision to make the report public was unanimous. Apparently, none of them had a problem with it that they would want it withheld.
May be true, and makes sense. If they didn't release the report, consider what would be said.

The report is the OPINION of one person within the findings. If you read the thing, which apparently you didn't, you find Stephen Branchflower does a real round-a-bout way of justifying the ethics charge.

ChumpDumper
10-11-2008, 06:40 PM
May be true, and makes sense. If they didn't release the report, consider what would be said.Consider what might be said if the other 1000 pages were released.


The report is the OPINION of one person within the findings. If you read the thing, which apparently you didn't, you find Stephen Branchflower does a real round-a-bout way of justifying the ethics charge.I've read enough of it to conclude that there won't be much fallout for the governor as far as her office is concerned. Maybe a censure at the very most.

Wild Cobra
10-11-2008, 06:47 PM
I've read enough of it to conclude that there won't be much fallout for the governor as far as her office is concerned. Maybe a censure at the very most.
I doubt even that. In the same report, it said she was justified.

ChumpDumper
10-11-2008, 07:01 PM
I doubt even that. In the same report, it said she was justified.And that she abused power.

Again, it's not a positive for the campaign. You guys can't spin that.