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peewee's lovechild
10-10-2008, 01:55 PM
McCain faces conservative backlash over mortgage plan

CNN) -- John McCain is facing a fresh round of anger from members of his own party deeply opposed to the Arizona senator's proposal for the federal government to purchase troubled mortgage loans.

The pointed backlash from several economic conservatives -- many of whom already distrust McCain's commitment to free-market principles -- couldn't come at a worse time for the Republican presidential nominee less than four weeks before Election Day as he stares at a significant deficit in national and state polls.

But at a time when McCain can't afford to worry about a lack of support from his party's base, several conservatives are openly criticizing the plan as a flagrant reward for reckless behavior among lenders.

In a sharply worded editorial on its Web site Thursday, the editors of The National Review -- an influential bastion of conservative thought -- derided the plan as "creating a level of moral hazard that is unacceptable" and called it a "gift to lenders who abandoned any sense of prudence during the boom years."

Prominent conservative blogger Michelle Malkin went one step further, calling the plan "rotten" and declaring on her blog, "We're Screwed '08."

Matt Lewis, a contributing writer for the conservative Web site Townhall.com, told CNN the plan only further riles conservatives upset with McCain's backing of the massive government bailout plan passed last week.

"Fundamentally, the problem is John McCain accepts a lot of liberal notions, unfortunately. There is somewhat of a populist streak," he said. "Most conservatives really did not like the bailout to begin with, and this was really kind of picking at the scab."

It's not just the plan conservatives are unhappy with, but how it was first unveiled as well -- out of the blue at Tuesday's town-hall debate during which Republicans were instead hoping McCain would present a spirited attack on what they view as Obama's overly liberal positions.

"Here we are watching the debate hoping this is a good format for John McCain to excel at, and the first thing he does is spring this on us," Lewis said. "This is not a good way to win friends and influence people."

"He spent the entire debate assailing massive government spending -- while his featured proposal of the right was to heap on more massive government spending to pursue home ownership retention at all costs," Malkin said.

It's a proposal that is fundamentally at odds with the conservative principle of individual responsibility, and is the latest in a string of public spats conservatives have had over the years and in this election with their party's standard bearer.

But for McCain, the move is another gamble for a candidate in need of a game-changer and one that lends credence to the self-proclaimed maverick's repeated claim that he's unafraid of bucking his own party.

Under the plan, the government would buy up bad mortgage loans, converting them into low-interest, FHA-insured loans. To qualify, homeowners would have to be delinquent in their payments or be likely to fall behind in the near future.

They also would have to live in the home in question -- no investment properties would be eligible. They would need to have demonstrated their creditworthiness when they purchased the property by making a substantial down payment and by providing documentation of their income and other assets.

McCain economic adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin said on a conference call Wednesday that the McCain plan could start quickly because the authority was granted by last week's passage of the $700 billion economic bailout bill. The plan could also fall under the umbrella of the Hope for Homeowners program authorized by the housing rescue bill passed in July and the government takeover of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

But the plan, which the McCain campaign appeared to be finalizing even after the candidate announced it, significantly departs from the Arizona senator's original proposal and has left many conservatives scratching their heads:

"The original plan relied on lenders taking the hit," Holtz-Eakin said on the conference call. "This bypasses that step."

Instead, the estimated $300 billion tab essentially gets transferred to taxpayers, among the funding already provided by the bailout bill -- a proposal that may rile not only fiscal conservatives, but also struggling homeowners who have worked to keep up their mortgage payments.

"The guy who works two jobs and struggles to actually pay his mortgage is penalized. He would be better off under this plan to just quit paying his mortgage," Lewis said. "And this fundamentally goes against a lot of conservative principles and individual responsibility."

Barack Obama is counting on McCain's proposal not playing well with a broad swath of middle-class voters. Obama said at a rally Thursday morning it guarantees "the taxpayers would lose," and banks and lenders would be rewarded.

But McCain is hoping the plan will resonate with moderate and undecided voters, many of whom viewed the bailout as a giveaway to Wall Street CEOs. This plan, the McCain campaign argues, better steers the money to Main Street, where struggling homeowners need immediate relief.

"John McCain's plan represents absolutely no new expense to the taxpayer, but simply refocuses priorities to more directly assist the homeowners who are hurting instead of greed on Wall Street," said Tucker Bounds, a spokesman for the McCain campaign.

But it remains to be seen if the Arizona senator's latest roll of the dice will pay off.

"Liberals who might actually be inclined to support a welfare check such as this are already going to vote for Barack Obama, and conservatives, who view this as irresponsible and even apostasy, are turned off by it," Lewis said. "This is both bad policy and bad politics."


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/mccain.mortgages/index.html

timvp
10-10-2008, 01:59 PM
That plan was just more proof to what I've been saying all along ... this race is Democrat versus Democrat. If Clinton were running in this election, he'd be more to the right than either candidate.

boutons_
10-10-2008, 03:47 PM
his buy-non-performing-mortgages was pandering to distressed home owners, hoping to pick up their votes

his other bullshit was to freeze expenditures, which is exactly the last thing the economy needs, less govt money flowing around.

clambake
10-10-2008, 04:00 PM
shhhhh. mccain asked that you please whisper when talking about this.

Anti.Hero
10-10-2008, 04:56 PM
It's only a matter of time before a third party comes along that can effectively attract the people's well placed cynicism.

Wild Cobra
10-10-2008, 08:39 PM
McCain faces conservative backlash over mortgage plan
No Shit Sherlock. We conservatives don't need an article to tell us that.


That plan was just more proof to what I've been saying all along ... this race is Democrat versus Democrat. If Clinton were running in this election, he'd be more to the right than either candidate.
We seem to have the same thoughts in that regard. How many times have I said something like McCain's thought of working across the isle is working with republicans?

whottt
10-11-2008, 12:24 AM
Conservatives are stupid..you just wait till thei value of their houses starts to plummet from all the foreclosures....


What conservatives, liberals and taxpayers need to understand.....they aren't going to pay for these bad mortgages...


They already have.


So you might as well save the value of people's homes.




Look...you may not like this plan, but it's the best way to stabilize the housing market, it's the best way to maintain housing values, and it's the best way to make all those shit mortgages resellable.

And you get the banks out of the red in the process.

boutons_
10-11-2008, 09:32 AM
If McNasty says it, McWhott's knee-jerk supports.

These people want to stay in their homes.

The mortgage holders want to keep getting those mortgage checks every month, not be saddled with Real Estate Owned.

The lenders should be forced to re-write the terms from rip-off ARMs to longer, lower, fix-rates.

velik_m
10-11-2008, 10:53 AM
Conservatives are stupid..you just wait till thei value of their houses starts to plummet from all the foreclosures....


What conservatives, liberals and taxpayers need to understand.....they aren't going to pay for these bad mortgages...


They already have.


So you might as well save the value of people's homes.




Look...you may not like this plan, but it's the best way to stabilize the housing market, it's the best way to maintain housing values, and it's the best way to make all those shit mortgages resellable.

And you get the banks out of the red in the process.

Socialist.

whottt
10-11-2008, 12:13 PM
The socialism was passing the bailout bill for purchasing bad mortgages and taking over Fannie and Freddie.

The socialism already happened.

Refinancing the mortgages is not socialism....foreclosing on them is.

Nbadan
10-11-2008, 04:54 PM
Refinancing the mortgages is not socialism....foreclosing on them is.

That's stupid on so many levels...

whottt
10-11-2008, 05:11 PM
That's stupid on so many levels...



No it's not. A successful foreclosure gives the government 100% ownership of the house and 99.9999999% of the time it will give them all profits from a resale...stupid.

boutons_
10-11-2008, 05:23 PM
"100% ownership of the house and 99.9999999% of the time it will give them all profits from a resale"

highly theoretical.

Why are lenders loathe to foreclose?

Because they don't want to be landlords, don't want to hold and $maintain (taxes, maintenance, insurance) Real Estatate Owned, REO.

With govt taking ownership of houses now, before the housing bubble is fully deflated and houses are back to their historical average values, the govt stands to lose $Bs if they pay even current prices.

Wild Cobra
10-11-2008, 05:50 PM
Conservatives are stupid..you just wait till thei value of their houses starts to plummet from all the foreclosures....

You don't listen to a good mix of news sources, do you?

The increased prices in housing was an artificial run on prices because of the "FLIPPING" fad. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knew the market bubble would burst. The prices need to come back to reasonable levels so people have affordable housing. If someone was stupid enough to but at inflated prices, I'm sorry. Not my problem to give stupid people money or bail them out.



What conservatives, liberals and taxpayers need to understand.....they aren't going to pay for these bad mortgages...

I'm not sure what you mean. You mean the buyers aren't going to pay? hat's why the banks are failing. They are losing money. They made bad loans and got bit. They went to Vegas and gambled their leverage on bad loans. If I go to Vegas and lose my money, who bails me out?



So you might as well save the value of people's homes.

Hell no. We seriously need a price correction. Besides, there are so many unoccupied houses anyway. This "house flipping" scheme put more houses out of occupancy than ever before and more were built. We have an overage of houses. Supply and demand dictates prices. The only way to restore those prices are to either burn down maybe a million homes, or wait for a population increase.



Look...you may not like this plan, but it's the best way to stabilize the housing market, it's the best way to maintain housing values, and it's the best way to make all those shit mortgages resellable.

Let the free market work. Let someone come in and buy the "Shit Mortgages" at a price they can make money on. The people still have to pay their mortgage, or get foreclosed on. Most of those being foreclosed on are Upside-Down.



And you get the banks out of the red in the process.

Let the banks who made poor decisions fail. There are still enough banks to do all the financing we need. Any money backing the banks need to make loans can be done by the Federal Reserve. Just watch, this $700,000,000,000 is going to evaporate, with no results to show for. Then, we tax payers will have a huge increase in debt. That's why the markets are falling. They know the harsh reality of the future.

Remember, before the "Bail-Out" happened, I predicted this could lead to a depression. I hope I'm wrong.