McCain: Ayers will come up in debate

[CubanMustGo]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081014/pl_politico/14564;_ylt=As2rNNQxeT1OdU13oITH7hEDW7oF

John McCain said Tuesday that Barack Obama is “probably ensured” that his association with 1960s radical William Ayers will come up in Wednesday’s debate.

“I was astonished to hear him say that he was surprised that I didn’t have the guts” to bring up Ayers, McCain said on KMOX, a St. Louis radio station.

“I think he is probably ensured that it will come up this time.”

McCain was responding to Obama’s charge last week that the Arizona senator was willing to make attacks on the campaign trail that he would not say in person.

“I am surprised that, you know, we've been seeing some pretty over-the-top attacks coming out of the McCain campaign over the last several days, that he wasn't willing to say it to my face,” Obama said. “But I guess we've got one last debate. So presumably, if he ends up feeling that he needs to, he will raise it during the debate.”

Obama has also accused McCain of trying to score “cheap political points” by bringing up Ayers.

Despite challenging Obama on the association, McCain insisted that he does not care about the “old washed-up terrorist” but said that the Illinois Democrat is not “being truthful” about the relationship.

[George Gervin's Afro]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081014/pl_politico/14564;_ylt=As2rNNQxeT1OdU13oITH7hEDW7oF

John McCain said Tuesday that Barack Obama is “probably ensured” that his association with 1960s radical William Ayers will come up in Wednesday’s debate.

“I was astonished to hear him say that he was surprised that I didn’t have the guts” to bring up Ayers, McCain said on KMOX, a St. Louis radio station.

“I think he is probably ensured that it will come up this time.”

McCain was responding to Obama’s charge last week that the Arizona senator was willing to make attacks on the campaign trail that he would not say in person.

“I am surprised that, you know, we've been seeing some pretty over-the-top attacks coming out of the McCain campaign over the last several days, that he wasn't willing to say it to my face,” Obama said. “But I guess we've got one last debate. So presumably, if he ends up feeling that he needs to, he will raise it during the debate.”

Obama has also accused McCain of trying to score “cheap political points” by bringing up Ayers.

Despite challenging Obama on the association, McCain insisted that he does not care about the “old washed-up terrorist” but said that the Illinois Democrat is not “being truthful” about the relationship.

For those who claim tha Obama is not being truthful, what are you basing that assumption on? You must know something to claim he's not being truthful. So what is it?

[possessed]

I honestly don't think most people give a damn about this kind of stuff, but whatever...

[boutons_]

EXTREMELY easy to crotch-kick McNasty on this one.

HUSSEIN throws back at McBottomGun his mutually adoring, friendly, CURRENT relationship with ex-con/how-to-shoot-federal-agents G. Gordon Liddy.

GAMEOVER

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Ayers and the McCain-G. Gordon Liddy Symbiosis

Does John McCain "pal around with terrorists?"

Certainly McCain's continuing "association" and relationship with the convicted Watergate burglar and domestic terrorist G. Gordon Liddy might suggest that is the case, if we are to apply the standards drawn by the McCain campaign.

In 1998, Liddy gave a fundraiser in his Scottsdale, Arizona home for McCain's senatorial re-election campaign -- the two posed for photographs together; and as recently as May, 2007, as a presidential candidate, McCain was a guest on Liddy's syndicated radio show. Inexplicably, McCain heaped praise on his host's values. During the segment, McCain said he was "proud" of Liddy, and praised Liddy's "adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."

From the program:
LIDDY: Your experience in the Hanoi Hilton is remarkable. I mean, I put in five years in a prison [for masterminding the Watergate burglary, and associated crimes], but it was here in the United States, and they didn't torture - the only torture that I had was being forced to listen to rap music from time to time.

McCAIN: Well, you know, I'm proud of you. I'm proud of your family. I'm proud to know your son, Tom, who's a great and wonderful guy. And it's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon. And congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.
Which of Liddy's "principles and philosophies" was McCain referring to?

Liddy's advocacy of break-ins?
Firebombings?
Assassinations?
Kidnappings?
Taking target practice with figures nicknamed Bill and Hillary?

During the same period that Bill Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground, Gordon Liddy was making plans to firebomb a Washington think tank, assassinate a prominent journalist, undertake the Watergate burglary, break into the office of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist, and kidnap anti-war protesters at the 1972 Republican convention.

Re: Liddy's "continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great:"

Did McCain mean to include Liddy's instructions to listeners of his radio show in 1994 (around the time Ayres and Obama were on a board together discussing education programs and other plots) on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents (aim for the head)?

If ATF agents attempt to curtail a citizen's gun ownership, Liddy counseled, "Well, if the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests."

More recently, Liddy explained making the Clintons objects of shooting practice: "I did relate that on the 4th of July of last year, when I and my family and some friends were out firing away at a properly-constructed rifle range and we ran out of targets, and so we - I drew some stick figure targets and I thought we ought to give them names. So I named them Bill and Hillary, thought it might improve my aim. It didn't. My aim is good anyway. Now, having said that, I accept no responsibility for somebody shooting up the White House."

The Liddy-McCain symbiosis has been mentioned in a number of posts on the Internet - mostly by bloggers and sites identified with The Left. But the documentation of their interaction (Liddy has also contributed financially to McCain's presidential campaign) is not a matter of Left or Right: It is astonishing that, given the prominence of the Ayers matter accorded by virtually every "mainstream" news outlet in America, there has been virtually nothing on the subject in the major newspapers and broadcast networks. This is a real journalistic failure and abrogation of responsibility.

Is Liddy any less a domestic terrorist than Bill Ayers? It is a zero-sum argument, for sure. I do not believe, incidentally, that John McCain shares the most abhorrent of Liddy's values, as expressed in Liddy's actions during the same period that Ayers was a Weatherman - and which Liddy continues to express, unapologetically, to this day.

But McCain has now become so unmoored from the principles he once espoused, so shameless in his courtship not only of the Republican "base" but in his eagerness to unleash a poisonous arsenal of character assassination and guilt-by-association - and plain-and-simple incitement of people's fears and prejudices - that, now, inevitably his and Sara Palin's rallies and campaign events have taken on the aura of mobs at times.

"Kill him," a man in the crowd responded last week, when Palin declared -yet again - "He's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country." In Virginia, the State Republican chairman announced a set of talking points to campaign volunteers - stressing the incendiary connection, reported Time magazine, between Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden: "Both have friends that bombed the Pentagon. That is scary," the Republican chairman said.

The most recent McCain ad on the subject shouts, "Obama worked with terrorist William Ayers when it was convenient" - perhaps suggesting, indeed, even that the candidate was there planting bombs.

The intended message of the McCain campaign is, of course, that Obama is less than patriotic - enunciated even by the candidate's wife, Cindy: "The day that Senator Obama decided to cast a vote to not fund my son when he was serving sent a cold chill through my body," she recently told a crowd of several thousand, which also heard her husband and Palin sound similar notes. (The chairman of the Lehigh, Pa., County Republican Party, William Platt, "implored the crowd to work hard to elect McCain or wake up November 5 to see 'Barack Obama, Barack Hussein Obama,' as the president," reported The Washington Post.)

( The Ice Queen as wannbe pibull bitch confirms her chilled body :lol )

Like Cindy McCain, the campaign's "Ad Facts" also trumpet - misleadingly - the only troop-funding bill that Obama voted against, in 2007 - without noting that Obama first voted for the bill, in a version that included a timetable for withdrawal. Nor did Cindy McCain mention that her husband, too, voted against the troop-funding bill - in the version that contained withdrawal language.

Thus has John McCain embarked on a scorched-earth death struggle for the presidency - cultural warfare that knows no bounds, exceeding perhaps even the mendacity and ferocity of the campaign waged against him by George Bush in 2000, and of which McCain once said there was "a special place in hell" for the Bush operatives who smeared him. (McCain also said of the Swift-boat attacks against John Kerry by Republicans in 2004: "I deplore this kind of politics. I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable.")

The lethal weapon of the McCain campaign's dreams is the explosive allegation that, in Palin's words - Obama "pals around with terrorists." McCain, wisely, did not raise the matter himself in the last presidential debate. Why?

At the time, much of the commentariat attributed the omission to McCain's purported concerns that Obama would respond by reciting the history of McCain's "association" with the S&L swindler Charles Keating, for which McCain was cited by the Senate Ethics Committee early in his career, for exercising "poor judgment" for intervening improperly with federal regulators on behalf of Keating, as part of the infamous Keating Five scandal.

But the more likely explanation of why McCain avoided a debate confrontation about "palling around with terrorists" is McCain's very real - and recent - symbiotic association and praise for another (not Ayers) domestic terrorist emblematic of the Vietnam era: G. Gordon Liddy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-bernstein/ayers-and-the-mccain-g-go_b_134256.html?view=print

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Will Barack HUSSEIN Obama be ready to nut-crunch (assuming McNasty has any nuts left) McNasty with his adoring, CURRENT relationship with a terrorist?

[George Gervin's Afro]

I honestly don't think most people give a damn about this kind of stuff, but whatever...

The people who say the just want to know more aren't going to vote for him anyway so it's an effort to smear him.

[possessed]

The people who say the just want to know more aren't going to vote for him anyway so it's an effort to smear him.

Reeks of desperation at this point.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Reeks of desperation at this point.

The Wotts and WIld Cobras of the world just want to smear him enough to win the election.

[CubanMustGo]

Here is why McCain is going nuts:


10/14: Wisconsin from Leaning Obama »»» Solid Obama
10/14 : Michigan from Leaning Obama »»» Solid Obama
10/14 : Colorado from Toss Up »»» Leaning Obama
10/13: Florida from Toss Up »»» Leaning Obama
10/13: North Dakota from Solid McCain »»» Leaning McCain
10/09 : Virginia from Toss Up »»» Leaning Obama
10/09 : Minnesota from Solid Obama »»» Leaning Obama
10/09: West Virginia from Leaning McCain »»» Toss Up
10/08 : New Jersey from Leaning Obama »»» Solid Obama
10/07: New Hampshire from Leaning Obama »»» Solid Obama
10/07 : Minnesota from Leaning Obama »»» Solid Obama
10/06 : Georgia from Solid McCain »»» Leaning McCain
10/04: Pennsylvania from Leaning Obama »»» Solid Obama
10/03: New Hampshire from Toss Up »»» Leaning Obama
10/02: Minnesota from Toss Up »»» Leaning Obama
10/02: Colorado from Leaning Obama »»» Toss Up
10/01: Wisconsin from Toss Up »»» Leaning Obama

(source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/election_2008/electoral_count.html#previous_changes)

Hey, Minnesota is going his way, at least.

[boutons_]

HUSSEIN's dont-have-guts comment is a rope-a-McDope tactic.

I'm sure HUSSEIN will sting like a bee if McDope brings up Ayers.

[dg7md]

I hope he does, Obama has so much dirt he's just waiting to wail on McRage. If McCain wants to do the smearing, better believe Obama is going to reply.

[ElNono]

The most stupid thing McCain did was to announce he's gonna go there. Now Obama will be waiting... Not only that, now McCain HAS to bring it up, otherwise he'll look like a fool. Which plays great to Obama saying how McCain is only interested in attacking him instead of caring about the current economic problems...

Who is the idiot that runs the McCain campaign again?

[Findog]

:lmao at them running with this Ayers shit. By all means, bring it up

[baseline bum]

Alright! Finally an Ayers-Keating debate.

[ChumpDumper]

McCain still can't bring himself to look at Obama, so he can't say it to his face.

[Trainwreck2100]

awesome, another debate that's not a debate.

[baseline bum]

Seriously, what happened to the McCain who said he wouldn't give advance warning before an attack?

[JoeChalupa]

It will be a very interesting moment to say the least. Obama must be ready for a good comeback and nip this in the bud.

[clambake]

Seriously, what happened to the McCain who said he wouldn't give advance warning before an attack?

yeah, he should have said "i'm gonna bring it up, but i'm not going to say i'm gonna bring it up".

[ratm1221]

Smart move by Obama to provoke McCain to say this in a debate. If McCain brings this up with Obama there to say it's not true, then McCain comes out looking like an ass... like he has in the last two debates.

[MannyIsGod]

“I was astonished to hear him say that he was surprised that I didn’t have the guts” to bring up Ayers, McCain said on KMOX, a St. Louis radio station.

“I think he is probably ensured that it will come up this time.”


Jesus is this guy really this easy to manipulate??

[timvp]

Sounds like a bluff. He'll have Obama waiting with a comeback and then not bring it up directly or not bring it up at all.

Either that or the Republican Party has given up all hope on McCain and will let him swing blindly in the wind :lol

[ElNono]

Sounds like a bluff. He'll have Obama waiting with a comeback and then not bring it up directly or not bring it up at all.

Either that or the Republican Party has given up all hope on McCain and will let him swing blindly in the wind :lol

I think it's just McCain being a maverick...
Oops, there's the M word again... :lol

[Findog]

It will be a very interesting moment to say the least. Obama must be ready for a good comeback and nip this in the bud.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106848

[MannyIsGod]

Sounds like a bluff. He'll have Obama waiting with a comeback and then not bring it up directly or not bring it up at all.

Either that or the Republican Party has given up all hope on McCain and will let him swing blindly in the wind :lol

The latter is far more likely. McCain's temper practically assures if you call him out he'll respond. The more time he spends in the spot light the more I see how reactionary he is and how bad of a quality that would be for any president.

A hot head with his hand on the button is something I expect to see in 24, not in reality.

[ElNono]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106848

I think Obama wouldn't even go to the smear... I think he would simply say it's false, and go on a tirade on how McCain only cares about attacking him instead of helping the poor guy facing foreclosure of his home, or something like that...

It makes him look like he took the high road, and also that he has been working on what people really care about...

[MannyIsGod]

Obama doesn't need to respond with smears if Ayers comes up. He simply addresses it and moves on but doesn't respond in kind. Right now McCain simply looks like he's flalying and this will add to the perception. If Obama takes McCain's punch and simply keeps on going he just builds on the narrative that he's calm and collected and most importantly...

hold...


hold....



Presidential

[baseline bum]

Sounds like a bluff. He'll have Obama waiting with a comeback and then not bring it up directly or not bring it up at all.

Either that or the Republican Party has given up all hope on McCain and will let him swing blindly in the wind :lol

McCain said the gloves were coming off last time, and all he ended up doing was calling Obama 'that one'.

[Oh, Gee!!]

William Timmons

[101A]

McCain's gonna claim Ayers wrote Obama's first book.

[Anti.Hero]

All McCain has to do is read from Ayers recent quote concerning his appreciation for Venezuelan socialist schools then ask if Obama believes in this.

That's all you gotta do McCain. Are you going to do it? Nope. :sleep:sleep

[ChumpDumper]

All McCain has to do is read from Ayers recent quote concerning his appreciation for Venezuelan socialist schools then ask if Obama believes in this.

That's all you gotta do McCain. Are you going to do it? Nope. :sleep:sleep
Obama says he disagrees.

Then what?

[Anti.Hero]

Obama says he disagrees.

Then what?

We hold him accountable for the next 4 years.


Luis has taught me a great deal about the Bolivarian Revolution and about the profound educational reforms underway here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution, and I've come to appreciate Luis as a major asset in both the Venezuelan and the international struggle I look forward to seeing how he and all of you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane.

[Anti.Hero]

Just give me a couple thousand and I will get you some votes McCain. That dumb bimbo blonde is running you into the ground.

[ChumpDumper]

We hold him accountable for the next 4 years.So that's a pretty crappy tactic for McCain in this election.

No reason for him to do it.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Is "probably ensured" the same as "kind of pregnant"?

[JoeChalupa]

Obama doesn't need to respond with smears if Ayers comes up. He simply addresses it and moves on but doesn't respond in kind. Right now McCain simply looks like he's flalying and this will add to the perception. If Obama takes McCain's punch and simply keeps on going he just builds on the narrative that he's calm and collected and most importantly...

hold...


hold....



Presidential

I concur.

[PixelPusher]

McCain's gonna claim Ayers wrote Obama's first book.

lol

"I'd rather get Andy McCarthy at the NRO off my back, than win an election"

[Anti.Hero]

So that's a pretty crappy tactic for McCain in this election.

No reason for him to do it.

It's too late for him to do what he should have been doing for the past months. McCain is a pussy. At least give us something to work with the next 4 years under Obama.

I told you so's will be sufficient my friends.


This terrorist/muslim thing is a crappy desperate tactic. I'm merely giving McCain free advice that will be 10x better than whatever weaksauce he lets loose on Wed.

[ChumpDumper]

It's too late for him to do what he should have been doing for the past months. McCain is a pussy. At least give us something to work with the next 4 years under Obama.What should he have been doing?

[Anti.Hero]

What should he have been doing?

Focus on the anti-capitalist, socialist, communist, peers Obama has been brought up around his entire life. Look him dead in the eye and ask him if he believes in these. He will deny, you then bring up past quotes of Obama (to his face) and go from there looking into the details of his policy (to his face) and tie it all together.

If republicans are good at fear-mongering like the left says, this is a nice big chunk of fear-mongering material that McCain could use.


People are so sick of Bush and there are many who buy into the class warfare that it might not work, but what has McCain done up to now?

[ratm1221]

Moderator: How would you characterize your views on economic policy, and how has your view changed in recent light of the economic problems we have faced?

McCain: I just want to say that Obama "pals" around with terrorists. Obama is too dangerous for America. He also kills babies while they sleep. The whole SIDs thing is all a conspiracy. When you wake up and your baby is dead, it's because this man has come in to your house and smothered your baby while you were sleeping.

Obama: Before I answer your question, let me just respond to this one thing. I love babies and I love my country. These claims are ludicrous and appalling. I'd like to add that McCain supports raping teenage girls.

[ChumpDumper]

Focus on the anti-capitalist, socialist, communist, peers Obama has been brought up around his entire life. Look him dead in the eye and ask him if he believes in these. He will deny, you then bring up past quotes of Obama (to his face) and go from there.

If republicans are good at fear-mongering like the left says, this is a nice big chunk of fear-mongering material that McCain could use.:lol Too bad Obama's been in government too long to be perceived as anything close to radical.

That's precisely why this Ayers crap never worked.

[Anti.Hero]

:lol Too bad Obama's been in government too long to be perceived as anything close to radical.

That's precisely why this Ayers crap never worked.

He has? What does it take to push radical agenda? What does it take to bring radicals into offices they could not otherwise be elected into?

hmmmmm


Oh that's right, POWER.

Telling a self-employed plumber that he does not want to punish his success, he just merely wants to spread the wealth.

There's your fucking ammo McCain. Pick it up and use it you funny little man.

[ChumpDumper]

He has? What does it take to push radical agenda? What does it take to bring radicals into offices they could not otherwise be elected into?

hmmmmm


Oh that's right, POWER.So your proof that he is a radical is that you think he will be a radical sometime in the future.

That's not how it works.

[timvp]

Obama doesn't need to respond with smears if Ayers comes up. He simply addresses it and moves on but doesn't respond in kind. Right now McCain simply looks like he's flalying and this will add to the perception. If Obama takes McCain's punch and simply keeps on going he just builds on the narrative that he's calm and collected and most importantly...

hold...


hold....



PresidentialI disagree a little bit. I liked the strategy that Obama used in the last debate. Whenever McCain would try to get into attack mode, Obama would come out swinging. After the topic blew over, he'd retreat back to playing prevent defense and just twist every question into a talking point.

Obama isn't squeaky clean enough to let McCain throw barb after barb. If Obama doesn't fight back and force McCain to tackle some of his own shady areas, McCain can do major damage.

[Anti.Hero]

So your proof that he is a radical is that you think he will be a radical sometime in the future.

That's not how it works.

When you have a newb like Obama with such small a record, you usually use his words and speeches to base your opinion of him. Along with the crowd he has rolled with in the past.

There is so much ammo out there. McCain refuses to use it or uses it the wrong way. Obama has proposed, flip-flopped, gaffed on so many economic points alone, that McCain could pwn him off the stage on Wed. But it's McCain.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes. When you have a newb like Obama with such small a record, you usually use his words and speeches to base your opinion of him. Along with the crowd he has rolled with in the past.Except it has already been tried. If it doesn't work with terra it won't work with socialism.


There is so much ammo out there. McCain refuses to use it or uses it the wrong way.There isn't any "there" there.

Let's see this extensive list you have compiled of socialists that Obama continues to "roll with" and is just waiting to put in his cabinet.

[Anti.Hero]

Except it has already been tried. If it doesn't work with terra it won't work with socialism.

There isn't any "there" there.

Let's see this extensive list you have compiled of socialists that Obama continues to "roll with" and is just waiting to put in his cabinet.

Why would I keep posting when you are so left you can't even understand what I am saying. You deny everything people say who you disagree with.

Your cute little game of asking questions every post is funny but I won't keep playing it for pages and pages like whott does. :toast

[ChumpDumper]

Why would I keep posting when you are so left you can't even understand what I am saying. You deny everything people say who you disagree with.So you are saying the Ayers canard has worked?

I disagree.


Your cute little game of asking questions every post is funny but I won't keep playing it for pages and pages like whott does.If you can't produce a list of socialists that Obama continues to run with and will appoint to his government, just say so.

[cool hand]

Desperate times call for stupid measures.