Cowboys going after the good Roy Williams

[monosylab1k]

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/10/cowboys-making-run-at-detroits-roy-willi.html

according to PFT an offer is on the table and Detroit is deciding whether or not to take it.

[monosylab1k]

45 minutes till the deadline, we'll see if it happens. What an insane couple weeks for the Cowboys, especially if this happens.

[Evan]

45 minutes till the deadline, we'll see if it happens. What an insane couple weeks for the Cowboys, especially if this happens.

they were just talking about this on the ticket....

mono...check your pm

[Whisky Dog]

Heard it was a proposed 1st + Miles Austin.

[Evan]

Heard it was a proposed 1st + Miles Austin.

thats whats coming out of Dallas^^^^^^

[IceColdBrewski]

Was reading on espn that the Eagles were also interested, but they were more interested in Tony Gonzales.

[Anti.Hero]

r williams for r williams straight up.

[Whisky Dog]

I like Miles Austin, but adding the Real Roy Williams makes him expendable. TO + Roy + Stanback/Hurd (when he returns) would be a damn good receiving corps.

[monosylab1k]

How is TO Owens going to react to this? He's already bitching about not getting the ball enough, this will only give him less touches.

Or perhaps this is a preemptive move in case of a 49ers/Eagles type blowup from him?

[jcrod]

r williams for r williams straight up.

Why would Detroit make that trade, besides Boys wouldn't do it because it would cost them too much of a cap hit this yr.

Pull the trigger Jerry.

[jcrod]

How is TO Owens going to react to this? He's already bitching about not getting the ball enough, this will only give him less touches.

Or perhaps this is a preemptive move in case of a 49ers/Eagles type blowup from him?

He should be happy, they wouldn't be able to double/triple team him. Crayton and Miles have not been getting open with one on one coverage.

[ATRAIN]

Roy is ALWAYS hurt, why would the cowboys want to do this?

[Whisky Dog]

Pull the trigger Jerry.

Jerry is cranking on the trigger so hard he's about to break it off. There's no reason for the Cowboys to not make this trade as Roy is a much better seasoned talent that what they'd get with a 1st next season. It's up to the Lions to take it.

The Cowboys are stacked on talent even if they cut Pacman, but it's the leadership, coaching, and mental toughness that's lacking and sorely needed before they can compete for a title.

[ATRAIN]

TO will cry if this happens and demand a trade.

[Whisky Dog]

Provided they have a QB that can get the ball downfield, TO should be doing flips over this. Having Roy split opposite side and Witten running down the middle should mean more one on one coverage for TO. At least a hell of a lot more than he's getting with Crayton on the other side.

[BacktoBasics]

This would only help TO. Half the problem for TO is the double coverage.

[samikeyp]

Jerry is cranking on the trigger so hard he's about to break it off. There's no reason for the Cowboys to not make this trade as Roy is a much better seasoned talent that what they'd get with a 1st next season. It's up to the Lions to take it.

The Cowboys are stacked on talent even if they cut Pacman, but it's the leadership, coaching, and mental toughness that's lacking and sorely needed before they can compete for a title.


Bingo.

[monosylab1k]

This would only help TO. Half the problem for TO is the double coverage.

The problem is that TO doesn't want to take hits over the middle like he used to. He had a far weaker supporting cast in Philly.

[ATRAIN]

The cowboys should be trying to get Brady Quinn.

[Whisky Dog]

Now they're reporting the trade would include mutliple picks but no 1st rounder. Not sure about a player, but throwing in Bobby Carpenter seems to be a very popular choice:lol

[monosylab1k]

well the deadline is here.....I guess there's still time for an announcement to be made.

[samikeyp]

Now they're reporting the trade would include mutliple picks but no 1st rounder. Not sure about a player, but throwing in Bobby Carpenter seems to be a very popular choice:lol

Shit, throw everything including Rowdy in to the deal.

[Pistons < Spurs]

LIONS TRADE ROY WILLIAMS TO COWBOYS
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 14, 2008, 4:03 p.m. EDT

The Detroit Lions have traded wide receiver Roy Williams to the Dallas Cowboys.

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the trade was made today, just before the NFL trade deadline.

It is not clear exactly what compensation the Lions got from the Cowboys, but Schefter reported that Detroit received “at least one first-round pick.”


http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/14/lions-trade-roy-williams-to-cowboys/

[PeterBurns]

Fucking A

[monosylab1k]

wow

[BacktoBasics]

I'm sure Brad is elated as well.

[PeterBurns]

What a Week.
Loss to Cardinals
Romo - Out
Felix - out
Pacman - Suspended
McBriar - Out
Roy Williams - In

[Pistons < Spurs]

Ed Werder reporting on ESPN that the deal is for a 2009 2nd round pick and a 2010 2nd round pick

[JamStone]

done deal, for at least a first round pick, possibly more

[spyder]

Sweet deal!!

[Whisky Dog]

The Real Roy Williams a Cowboy. Now just have to get the fake okie Roy Williams out.

[jack sommerset]

Roy Williams is a BALLER. Romo gets back that offense will be unstopable.

[PeterBurns]

I think tomorrow will be a good day to do a WNBA Recap, and A&M preview.

[BacktoBasics]

Too bad they couldn't bring in another CB.

[Taco]

wow!!!

[I Love Me Some Me]

Hook 'Em!!!

[Whisky Dog]

So is Stanback or Hurd getting cut?

[BacktoBasics]

hurd is out for the season anyway

[Whisky Dog]

Roy Williams is a BALLER. Romo gets back that offense will be unstopable.

If the O Line gets off their fat asses and plays some ball that offense is stacked.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Lots of conflicting reports ..... local Detroit radio just said:


Lions get a 1st 3rd and 6th per Dallas morning news.... Detroit giving up a 7th round (all in the 2009 draft)




Dallas Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones made no secret he wanted to add a receiver opposite Terrell Owens in the off-season. It just took until the final moments before the trade deadline to get it done.

The Cowboys on Tuesday acquired UT-ex Roy Williams from Detroit for first-, third- and sixth-round picks in 2009 while the Lions will kick back their seventh-rounder in 2009, moments before the 3 p.m. trade deadline, according to a source.

The move bolsters a passing game that is ranked fourth in the NFL but about to experience life without quarterback Tony Romo (fractured pinkie finger).

Williams, who turns 27 in December, has 17 catches for 232 yards and a touchdown for the 0-5 Lions. His best year came in 2006, the only season in which he played 16 games, when he caught 82 passes for 1,310 yards and seven touchdowns.

Williams is making $3.7 million and is in the last year of his contract, which made it difficult to complete a trade. Williams is seeking a big extension. However, the Cowboys could use the franchise tag on him if necessary, which would essentially block him from free agency.

In the off-season, the Cowboys signed Owens to a four-year extension worth $34 million that included a $12.9 million signing bonus.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/101508dnspocowboyswilliams.111b05472.html

[1369]

This is all well and good, but does anyone think with the way the offensive line has played recently, and Brad Johnson at the helm that Johnson doesn't wind up in ICU in the next two weeks?

[Evan]

This is all well and good, but does anyone think with the way the offensive line has played recently, and Brad Johnson at the helm that Johnson doesn't wind up in ICU in the next two weeks?

first few games people said they had the best o-line since the 90's.

last few games they ahve been awful


who knows

[Whisky Dog]

This is all well and good, but does anyone think with the way the offensive line has played recently, and Brad Johnson at the helm that Johnson doesn't wind up in ICU in the next two weeks?

Million dollar question concerns the o line. If gameday comes and we see the same o line that played Philly in week two then that offense is smoking with Romo healthy.

If we see last Sunday o line then more QBs will be on the shelf.

[JamStone]

Lions get a 1st 3rd and 6th per Dallas morning news.... Detroit giving up a 7th round (all in the 2009 draft)


If that is true, Jerry Jones has just become Al Davis.

[I Love Me Some Me]

This is all well and good, but does anyone think with the way the offensive line has played recently, and Brad Johnson at the helm that Johnson doesn't wind up in ICU in the next two weeks?

With a legit #2 WR, you can keep another TE or a FB in to help protect.

[samikeyp]

What a Week.
Loss to Cardinals
Romo - Out
Felix - out
Pacman - Suspended
McBriar - Out
Roy Williams - In

How long is Felix out?

[Whisky Dog]

How long is Felix out?

probably 3 games coming back after the bye week.

[samikeyp]

probably 3 games coming back after the bye week.

:bang

[to21]

:lol Cowboys have too many Roy Williams(s) on their team now.

[jcrod]

Per ESPN :

The Dallas Cowboys are close to a deal to acquire wide receiver Roy Williams from the Detroit Lions, a source told ESPN.com Tuesday. The trade would involve multiple draft picks but would not involve the Cowboys' first-round pick.

The Cowboys are also trying to negotitate a long-term deal with Williams before completing the deal. Williams has expressed unhappiness playing for the winless Lions and can become a free agent after the season unless the team places the franchise tag on him.

[Evan]

:lol Cowboys have too many Roy Williams(s) on their team now.

There will be only 1 next year.

[jcrod]

:bang

no shit, it was already fustrating that they didn't give him the ball enough. Bad Hamstring BTW.

[Whisky Dog]

Per ESPN :

The Dallas Cowboys are close to a deal to acquire wide receiver Roy Williams from the Detroit Lions, a source told ESPN.com Tuesday. The trade would involve multiple draft picks but would not involve the Cowboys' first-round pick.

The Cowboys are also trying to negotitate a long-term deal with Williams before completing the deal. Williams has expressed unhappiness playing for the winless Lions and can become a free agent after the season unless the team places the franchise tag on him.

That's old, Jerry was holding out for two 2nd rounders but caved in last minute and gave up 1st, 3rd, 6th while getting Roy and a 7th.

[samikeyp]

That's old, Jerry was holding out for two 2nd rounders but caved in last minute and gave up 1st, 3rd, 6th while getting Roy and a 7th.

Its ok though, since the 1st rounder went to the Lions, they will just fuck it up again.:lol

[Evan]

That's old, Jerry was holding out for two 2nd rounders but caved in last minute and gave up 1st, 3rd, 6th while getting Roy and a 7th.

^is correct it seems.

Crazy day

[Whisky Dog]

Its ok though, since the 1st rounder went to the Lions, they will just fuck it up again.:lol

I don't know, "Just pick a WR" Millen is no longer there, but I'm sure the Fords will find someone to turn this pick into a bust. I'm convinced they secretly put the guy responsible for the Taurus in charge of the Lions organization.

[Marklar MM]

Its ok though, since the 1st rounder went to the Lions, they will just fuck it up again.:lol

Impossible...Millen is gone.

Anyways, Lions fans are happy the team got as MUCH for Roy as they did.

[T-Pain]

its official!

[samikeyp]

Impossible...Millen is gone.

Anyways, Lions fans are happy as we got MUCH more for Roy than we figured we would get.

Detroit's history of questionable draft picks started before Millen got there. :lol

Detroit did well because they will need those picks to rebuild. Plus it beats him leaving as a FA.

[to21]

There will be only 1 next year.You work for the Cowboys?

[monosylab1k]

That seems like way too much to give up.

[BacktoBasics]

That seems like way too much to give up.
They definitely overpaid for him but I think it was necessary to compete now vs. waiting for a drafted WR to pan out later or not.

[Whisky Dog]

That seems like way too much to give up.

I'd agree if it were an older team that needs to rebuild via the draft, but with the amount of young talent on the team this isn't that bad of a deal if they have a long term extension set up for him. Basically he's the same age as Romo and Witten, so I bet the Cowboys are looking for that trio to lead the offense for the rest of their careers.

[Evan]

You work for the Cowboys?

Supposedly his cap hit after this year is the most cut friendly until it ends.

[Evan]

That seems like way too much to give up.

had to be done...most likely they would have spent a 1 on a wr next year anyway.

[jack sommerset]

The Cowboys made the right decsion. Hopefully he does not get hurt like Galloway did

[spyder]

I also got williams on one of my fantasy team..haven't used him, but im pretty sure i'll start using him now

[Evan]

The Cowboys made the right decsion. Hopefully he does not get hurt like Galloway did

that one hurt...bad.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm sorry, but as bad as he is, the Cowboys' Roy Williams is still the 'good' Roy Williams.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

What a fantastic move by the Lions. I rarely, rarely, say that.

Lions won this deal by a landslide.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I'm sorry, but as bad as he is, the Cowboys' Roy Williams is still the 'good' Roy Williams.

QFT.

WR RW is one of the most overrated WRs in the game.

[to21]

I'm sorry, but as bad as he is, the Cowboys' Roy Williams is still the 'good' Roy Williams.We shall see.

Maybe in a different system the WR Roy Williams overshadows the one that can't cover a TE.

[Trainwreck2100]

QFT.

WR RW is one of the most overrated WRs in the game.

Hes better than crayton

[xtremesteven33]

not even romo can screw up this team now....

[monosylab1k]

:lmao @ anybody thinking the WR Roy sucks.

How good did Randy Moss look when Andrew Walter was throwing him the ball? And then how did he look when it was Brady?

Roy has had to endure Joey Harrington and Jon Kitna, and he's still put up very nice numbers. Now that he's got a real QB, he's going to blow up.

[Pistons < Spurs]

WR RW is one of the most overrated WRs in the game.

+1




He possesses the ability to be as great as people seem to think he is ... but he's a lazy ass on the field. Maybe he'll play harder for a team like Dallas though.

[Bigzax]

Wow, the battle for third place in the division just got a little more heated.


seems apropos here as well...:wakeup

[monosylab1k]

He possesses the ability to be as great as people seem to think he is ... but he's a lazy ass on the field. Maybe he'll play harder for a team like New England though.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Hes better than crayton

True, but is he worth that many picks? Is WR, or offensive playmaker for that matter, that much of a priority for the Cowboys?

It's a stupid move, IMO. If the guy played at Maryland then you'd all hate this deal.

[JamStone]

Roy Williams is a very good receiver, but he is a bit overrated. Roy has great size and good hands. I think dropped balls he's had was more a product of the Lions being so shitty and Roy not having his heart and focus where it needed to be. I think it will be different for him in Dallas. He's going to give his best effort all the time. He isn't the best #1 receiver because he doesn't have that burner speed to get great separation for big plays. But, he's still very, very good.

[samikeyp]

True, but is he worth that many picks? Is WR, or offensive playmaker for that matter, that much of a priority for the Cowboys?

It's a stupid move, IMO. If the guy played at Maryland then you'd all hate this deal.

Assuming of course that everyone commenting is a Longhorn fan.

Which they are not.

[Whisky Dog]

:lmao @ anybody thinking the WR Roy sucks.

How good did Randy Moss look when Andrew Walter was throwing him the ball? And then how did he look when it was Brady?

Roy has had to endure Joey Harrington and Jon Kitna, and he's still put up very nice numbers. Now that he's got a real QB, he's going to blow up.

I think that not being the focal point of every defense and being possibly the third option the defense worries about will allow this guy to smoke one on one coverages once Romo comes back. Hell, he may even be able to put up some numbers with Brad as the QB.

This deal is huge IMO.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

But mono, Moss was great before he became lackadaisical. RW can become a great WR but he has a lot, and I mean alot, of work to do. Plus, he now adds the distraction of family and friends to an already lackluster work ethic.

Regardless, a 1st and a 3rd is way too much to give up.

[samikeyp]

I think that not being the focal point of every defense and being possibly the third option the defense worries about will allow this guy to smoke one on one coverages once Romo comes back. Hell, he may even be able to put up some numbers with Brad as the QB.

This deal is huge IMO.

Good point. JamStone mentioned that as well. Williams as a #1, so-so. As a #2? Very good.

[JamStone]

It's cool if you think Roy Williams is great. But, keep in mind that the Patriots gave up I believe a third round pick for Randy Moss. Is Roy Williams worth a 1st, 3rd, and 6th all in the same draft?

[Whisky Dog]

True, but is he worth that many picks?

To the 2002 Cowboys that were in desperate need of rebuilding he most definitely would not be worth the picks.

To this team with all sorts of talent locked up long term it makes more sense. Now we just need the coaching and leadership to catch up to the talent.

[monosylab1k]

But mono, Moss was great before he became lackadaisical. RW can become a great WR but he has a lot, and I mean alot, of work to do. Plus, he now adds the distraction of family and friends to an already lackluster work ethic.

Regardless, a 1st and a 3rd is way too much to give up.

Oh the Cowboys definitely overpaid. But Roy has displayed enough playmaking ability with the likes of Jon Kitna and Joey Harrington to make me think he'll blow up big time with Romo, TO, Barber, Witten and so on, surrounding him.

[samikeyp]

Oh the Cowboys definitely overpaid. But Roy has displayed enough playmaking ability with the likes of Jon Kitna and Joey Harrington to make me think he'll blow up big time with Romo, TO, Barber, Witten and so on, surrounding him.

I would agree with that. I think they did overpay but I think it could be well worth it.

[monosylab1k]

It's cool if you think Roy Williams is great. But, keep in mind that the Patriots gave up I believe a third round pick for Randy Moss. Is Roy Williams worth a 1st, 3rd, and 6th all in the same draft?

They're definitely selling their future to buy a Super Bowl today, and it might not work. But considering TO is one meltdown away from Dallas having Patrick Crayton be their #1 receiver, I guess this was worth it.

[JamStone]

I can buy that. Just saying the Lions probably would have done the deal for the 1st rounder alone. And, just saying Jerry Jones has gotten pretty crazy.

[jack sommerset]

It's cool if you think Roy Williams is great. But, keep in mind that the Patriots gave up I believe a third round pick for Randy Moss. Is Roy Williams worth a 1st, 3rd, and 6th all in the same draft?

I say Yes. He was 7th overall a few years back. He is only 27. He seems to have a good character (nice PR move considering today), the Cowboys get back 2 draft picks because Pacman was suspended. Take away TO, the Cowboys have not had a real threat at reciever since Irvin. Williams stays healthy this is a good move.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I didn't think they'd get more than a 3rd to be honest with you.

Millen gone, Kitna IRed, ransom for RW...

Is it Christmas?

[Evan]

I didn't think they'd get more than a 3rd to be honest with you.

Millen gone, Kitna IRed, ransom for RW...

Is it Christmas?

I think this is an even trade but you Lion's sure made a good one.

[Obstructed_View]

Roy could be better than Alvin Harper, which is really all the Cowboys need with Witten and Owens.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Just curious how the Cowboys are going to fit everyone under the salary cap. Did RW take a sweetheart deal? TO gone at the end of the year?

[Evan]

Just curious how the Cowboys are going to fit everyone under the salary cap. Did RW take a sweetheart deal? TO gone at the end of the year?

The cap this year is nuts, no problem. I don't think any teams are too close.

[jack sommerset]

Just curious how the Cowboys are going to fit everyone under the salary cap. Did RW take a sweetheart deal? TO gone at the end of the year?

There might not be a salary cap after next year.

[Chris]

Epic trade! Cheers :toast

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

There might not be a salary cap after next year.

That means that everyone becomes a FA, IIRC.

What about next year?

[jack sommerset]

That means that everyone becomes a FA, IIRC.

What about next year?


It means there may not be a salary cap. Teams can pay whatever they want for players like in baseball.Owners like Jones do not want one and the deal runs out, I think, the end of next year.

[G-Nob]

Three draft picks!?! Too much for two little. This is a panic move by Jones.

Plain and simple.

[King]

It's not a bad trade. Assume that they were going for a WR in the first, anyway. Roy is better than any WR they would have gotten, and doesn't have the learning curve. So, essentially a 3rd and a 6th. And the chances of the 6th round pick making the team is pretty slim.

The Cowboys strike out on firsts more often than not, anyway. Ware was a hit. Felix was on his way. The jury is out on Jenkins. Spencer hasn't stayed healthy. Bobby's terrible. Spears was a reach of epic-proportions. Roy was great for a bit, but now everyone wants him gone. Newman has been solid, but not a Champ type impact.

Hell, taken the guy proven in the NFL. Speculation hasn't been working for them.

[Chris]

It's not a bad trade. Assume that they were going for a WR in the first, anyway. Roy is better than any WR they would have gotten, and doesn't have the learning curve. So, essentially a 3rd and a 6th. And the chances of the 6th round pick making the team is pretty slim.

The Cowboys strike out on firsts more often than not, anyway. Ware was a hit. Felix was on his way. The jury is out on Jenkins. Spencer hasn't stayed healthy. Bobby's terrible. Spears was a reach of epic-proportions. Roy was great for a bit, but now everyone wants him gone. Newman has been solid, but not a Champ type impact.

Hell, taken the guy proven in the NFL. Speculation hasn't been working for them.

Don't forget Julius. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust.


Three draft picks!?! Too much for two little. This is a panic move by Jones.

Plain and simple.

You underestimate Jerry's most valuabe asset. He's able to wheel and deal come draft day. Don't be surprised if we are right back in the mix next year with a solid 1st round pick.

[T Park]

Great trade by the Boys.

Proven Talent >>>> unknown "picks"

[G-Nob]

Williams isn't the gem everyone thinks he is. We're spoiled with T.O. and he's nowhere close. I like him on the team but we cannot criple ourselves like we did with the Galloway trade. Because men are going down, that's what help seal the deal. Lions knew this and pounced on it. Can't blame them, but Jones wasn't working with a clear head on this one.

[King]

Or, look at it from a Draft day perspective...

Say Dallas is sitting on the clock at 26 (for the sake of argument) in April.

Detroit calls and offers you Roy Williams to switch spots, if you also throw in a third - and move down from your 6th (a late rounder) to their 7th (right at the top).

Do you pull the trigger? I sure do.

[JustSpurs]

Or, look at it from a Draft day perspective...

Say Dallas is sitting on the clock at 26 (for the sake of argument) in April.

Detroit calls and offers you Roy Williams to switch spots, if you also throw in a third - and move down from your 6th (a late rounder) to their 7th (right at the top).

Do you pull the trigger? I sure do.

Oh Hell ya...providing he stays healthy.

[G-Nob]

Or, look at it from a Draft day perspective...

Say Dallas is sitting on the clock at 26 (for the sake of argument) in April.

Detroit calls and offers you Roy Williams to switch spots, if you also throw in a third - and move down from your 6th (a late rounder) to their 7th (right at the top).

Do you pull the trigger? I sure do.

Thats assuming you're putting enough emphasis on a WR. I don't think WR has been the boys problem thus far. Its the special teams play and the secondary. I can live with a TO, Whitten and a Austin/Crayton/Hurd combo. Still early in the year to say WR is the cowboys #1 offseason priority. That's why I said this is a panic move. Based on your scenario, Detroit will more than likely get a top pick, so they won't move. Dallas could trade up but that wouldn't involve williams. Now you're trying to unload 2nd rounders and higher for Williams which Detroit won't do. Yes, of course we'd do it but they wouldn't.

[King]

It's not the players in the secondary that's the problem - it's the scheme, and you don't fix that in a draft. You make a coaching change to right that ship.

I think WR definitely needs to be a point of emphasis for Dallas. The WR opposite TO isn't drawing the defense. Ever since Washington, teams have been doubling TO, and there's nobody opposite to make them pay. Roy Williams can do just that. He can out jump DBs, out run DBs, and he's huge. It should open up the field in a way that Miles Austin and Patrick Crayton do not.

I think it'd be a huge target in the draft, just like it was rumored to be this past draft. And Crabtree isn't dropping to the mid-late 20s.

Not to mention that Roy is 27, just like Romo and Witten. TO is 35. Lock him up, and you have yourself a #1 for the rest of your QBs career.

[JamStone]

Or, look at it from a Draft day perspective...

Say Dallas is sitting on the clock at 26 (for the sake of argument) in April.

Detroit calls and offers you Roy Williams to switch spots, if you also throw in a third - and move down from your 6th (a late rounder) to their 7th (right at the top).

Do you pull the trigger? I sure do.

Counter...

On draft day, knowing they really can't afford to franchise Roy Williams amidst their complete overhaul of the team realizing it doesn't make sense financially and chemistry wise since Roy Williams didn't want to be there anyway, the Lions flat out waive any type of rights they have on Roy Williams, who is a free agent, don't franchise him, and Roy Williams, whose dream was always to be a Dallas Cowboy, gets signed by the Cowboys without them having to trade any picks to the Lions.

Do you like that scenario better? I would if I were a Cowboys fan.

[G-Nob]

Counter...

On draft day, knowing they really can't afford to franchise Roy Williams amidst their complete overhaul of the team realizing it doesn't make sense financially and chemistry wise since Roy Williams didn't want to be there anyway, the Lions flat out waive any type of rights they have on Roy Williams, who is a free agent, don't franchise him, and Roy Williams, whose dream was always to be a Dallas Cowboy, gets signed by the Cowboys without them having to trade any picks to the Lions.

Do you like that scenario better? I would if I were a Cowboys fan.

That's my point exactly. Williams wanted out. The Lions were soon going to have their hands forced. Jones, just losing two keys guys on offense, was too clouded to see that and panicked. The same thing happened with Joey Galloway and it screwed them for the next three years after that. Wh=e could've gotten him for a steal and kept our picks!

[King]

Counter...

On draft day, knowing they really can't afford to franchise Roy Williams amidst their complete overhaul of the team realizing it doesn't make sense financially and chemistry wise since Roy Williams didn't want to be there anyway, the Lions flat out waive any type of rights they have on Roy Williams, who is a free agent, don't franchise him, and Roy Williams, whose dream was always to be a Dallas Cowboy, gets signed by the Cowboys without them having to trade any picks to the Lions.

Do you like that scenario better? I would if I were a Cowboys fan.

I would've liked that scenario better, but I wouldn't have any faith in the Lions to not franchise him - regardless of what sense it does or doesn't make. And the trade keeps him out of Philly, who was rumored to be another team in the mix.

I'd rather lesser compensation, but I don't think the compensation was altogether bad.

[JamStone]

My point is that the Lions weren't going to keep him. They weren't going to franchise him. Yes, they would have tried to move him before being forced to franchise him. I'm just saying Dallas didn't just overpay for him, they got bamboozled... by the Detroit Lions. Forget the 6th for the 7th. A first round and third round pick for a really good receiver? Oakland got only a third round pick for Randy Moss. When the asking price is that much, you roll the dice because even if the Lions traded Roy Williams to another team, the Cowboys could have still had a chance at him in the off season because he was a free agent.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Philly can still land Boldin in the offseason, who is a much better WR.

[jcrod]

He made the right deal. Lions were not going to just let him walk. Its a gamble drafting WR's, giving a 1st is small price to get a a proven 1 WR.

We have the talent on defense, its the coaches who are screwing it up.

[dallaskd]

Great Deal. well..depends on what all we lose. He's definitely worth a 1st rounder, because there's not much we could have drafter better if were in the top 20's.

[JamStone]

He made the right deal. Lions were not going to just let him walk. Its a gamble drafting WR's, giving a 1st is small price to get a a proven 1 WR.

We have the talent on defense, its the coaches who are screwing it up.

To be completely honest, with what the Lions have to do with completely over-hauling the team and personnel, letting Roy Williams walk for nothing was actually a complete possibility.

[Horry For 3!]

Cowboys gave up 1st, 3rd and 6th round picks for Roy Williams. Pretty good amount.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

To be completely honest, with what the Lions have to do with completely over-hauling the team and personnel, letting Roy Williams walk for nothing was actually a complete possibility.

They wouldn't have franchised him and they wouldn't have let him walk. They would have traded him for a mid round draft pick before March 1st.

[Obstructed_View]

My point is that the Lions weren't going to keep him. They weren't going to franchise him. Yes, they would have tried to move him before being forced to franchise him. I'm just saying Dallas didn't just overpay for him, they got bamboozled... by the Detroit Lions. Forget the 6th for the 7th. A first round and third round pick for a really good receiver? Oakland got only a third round pick for Randy Moss. When the asking price is that much, you roll the dice because even if the Lions traded Roy Williams to another team, the Cowboys could have still had a chance at him in the off season because he was a free agent.

As I mentioned in another thread, Jerry was willing to overpay because he needs a "win" story in the news to keep the Dallas fans from burning his house to the ground.

[JamStone]

They wouldn't have franchised him and they wouldn't have let him walk. They would have traded him for a mid round draft pick before March 1st.

Perhaps not walk, but they would have traded him for basically nothing if teams weren't willing to really give up much. By next February/March, they would have been at a point where they knew they had to deal him and probably would have settled for a fifth round pick. If they couldn't get anything, they weren't going to franchise him.

[BUMP]

im extremely excited about the deal but i still dont know what to expect. im gonna keep my mouth shut, since i am on record of guaranteeing a super bowl victory in the 2006 season after we acquired Tony Parrish

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55333&highlight=tony+parrish

its my troll name but its still me.^^^

im a little proud to have something so dumb:lol

[JamStone]

As I mentioned in another thread, Jerry was willing to overpay because he needs a "win" story in the news to keep the Dallas fans from burning his house to the ground.

Possibly. Cowboys have been hit pretty hard with injuries and the Pacman shit. The saving grace with giving up all those picks is they don't have to pay a first rounder and they still have a lot of young talent for the next few years. Bill Parcells really built the team solid all the way around. So, if there was a team that could afford to give up all those picks, the Cowboys are probably it.

Still a hell of a lot to give up for Roy Williams.

[Chad Johnson]

ok Jerry trade the rest of your picks to get me.

ill get you a nice little ring, our games would have to be watched in Imax if you could get all three of us on the team

[Evan]

ok Jerry trade the rest of your picks to get me.

ill get you a nice little ring, our games would have to be watched in Imax if you could get all three of us on the team

Trade deadline is over dumb ass, doesn't your agent tell you anything?

[GuerillaBlack]

You know, this trade does nothing to help Dallas' (battered) defense. Dallas need not need more offense. Especially at an already deep receiver/te position.

[possessed]

Did he get a new deal or is he still a FA at the end of the year? Seems a steep price for someone who is being rented for part of this year.

[Evan]

Did he get a new deal or is he still a FA at the end of the year? Seems a steep price for someone who is being rented for part of this year.

Supposedly everything is ready to go and it just needs to be signed and a physical taken.

http://www.cowboysonlineproshop.com/STORE/CatalogImages/18-1046-Product_Primary_Image-thumb.jpeg



http://www.cowboysonlineproshop.com/store/product/REP-JERSEY-R-WILLIAMS-11,1046,15.htm

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Agreed already on the parameters. Between $8.5-9,000,000 per for 5 yrs, in the neighborhood of $50,000,000 total.

They're working on how it will be paid out.

[Evan]

They Cowboys still have 9 picks next year.

Stunning.

[Evan]

Soon after announcing the deal, the Cowboys said that they had given Williams a five-year extension on his contract that was set to expire after this season.

The Cowboys acquired their new star hours after learning they lost another in cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones, whom NFL commissioner Roger Goodell suspended Tuesday for at least four games.

Goodell will determine the full length of the suspension following the Cowboys' game in Washington on Nov. 16. Jones was in repeated legal trouble while with the Tennessee Titans and was involved in an alcohol-related scuffle Oct. 7 with one of his bodyguards at a private party in Dallas.

Jerry Jones, who has never shied from adding players with checkered pasts to the Cowboys locker room, made a point Tuesday to mention Williams' "outstanding character, no matter who you talk to."

Williams said the first phone call he received after the trade was from Owens, who has complained recently about not getting enough catches in an offense that lost quarterback Tony Romo this week for perhaps a month with a broken finger in his throwing hand.

Jerry Jones said Owens was "elated and beside himself" upon hearing the trade. Williams said he and T.O. talked about winning.

"We got two guys out there that can really run, they're big, but as you know, both of them can really make spectacular catches," Jones said.

Williams is expected to begin practicing with the Cowboys on Wednesday, and play in their game Sunday at St. Louis.

Williams will line up opposite Owens in an offense that has not had a clear No. 2 receiver since waiving veteran Terry Glenn this summer. Tight end Jason Witten leads the Cowboys with 39 catches and two touchdowns after six games. Owens has 23 catches and 5 TDs.

[monosylab1k]

Counter...

On draft day, knowing they really can't afford to franchise Roy Williams amidst their complete overhaul of the team realizing it doesn't make sense financially and chemistry wise since Roy Williams didn't want to be there anyway, the Lions flat out waive any type of rights they have on Roy Williams, who is a free agent, don't franchise him, and Roy Williams, whose dream was always to be a Dallas Cowboy, gets signed by the Cowboys without them having to trade any picks to the Lions.

Do you like that scenario better? I would if I were a Cowboys fan.

Yeah but what good is getting Roy Williams next year when they want to win a Super Bowl this year?

Not saying your logic isn't right - it absolutely is. That's by far smarter than giving up what they did for Roy. But Jerry Jones and all of DFW is screaming "win now!" and while this may hurt their future, they just took a big step towards winning right now by making this trade.

[Evan]

Yeah but what good is getting Roy Williams next year when they want to win a Super Bowl this year?

Not saying your logic isn't right - it absolutely is. That's by far smarter than giving up what they did for Roy. But Jerry Jones and all of DFW is screaming "win now!" and while this may hurt their future, they just took a big step towards winning right now by making this trade.

I'm not sure I agree because they gave a 1 for a position they would have taken anyway and he is ready now instead of 2 or 3 years. Also, we know he is good, he's still young. The biggest thing is money and thats a non issue with Jerry.

[Evan]

Scratch what I said mono...I see what you meant...I read your reply too fast the first time.

I agree

[JamStone]

Yeah but what good is getting Roy Williams next year when they want to win a Super Bowl this year?

Not saying your logic isn't right - it absolutely is. That's by far smarter than giving up what they did for Roy. But Jerry Jones and all of DFW is screaming "win now!" and while this may hurt their future, they just took a big step towards winning right now by making this trade.

Because the post I responded to talked about whether they'd make the same deal on draft day, so I responded in kind to that hypothetical in terms of timing.

[monosylab1k]

Because the post I responded to talked about whether they'd make the same deal on draft day, so I responded in kind to that hypothetical in terms of timing.

Okay I see. Still, hypothetically on draft day giving up all that would be about 1000000000000x worse than them really giving it up right now. Doing the deal right now makes sense while doing that same deal this offseason is stupid beyond comprehension.

[emo serb]

hope u guys are prepared to see many catch able balls dropped...

[Obstructed_View]

hope u guys are prepared to see many catch able balls dropped...

I guess you don't know who led the league in drops last year.

[Evan]

Anyone know what Phili was offering up? Surprised they didn't go for it.

[Evan]

-via Bob's blog

here's a rundown of the Cowboys pick in April's draft:

ROUND ONE (0)
To Detroit for Roy Williams

ROUND TWO (1)
Dallas

ROUND THREE (1)
To Detroit for Roy Williams
Cleveland (Acquired in 2008 Draft Day trade: for Detroit 2008 R4 pick)

ROUND FOUR (2)
Dallas
Detroit (Acquired in 2008 Draft Day trade: for Dallas 2008 R3 pick)

ROUND 5 (2)
Dallas
Tennessee (As a result of Adam Jones 2nd suspension)

ROUND 6 (1)

To Detroit for Roy Williams (Tennessee contingency cancelled as a result of Adam Jones 2nd suspension)
Miami (Acquired in 2008 Ferguson Trade)

ROUND 7 (2)
Dallas
Detroit (Acquired in Roy Williams trade)

[Anti.Hero]

If TO bitches just fucking cut him.

I'm tired of these 20 million dollar a year faggots who cry like little bitches.

[BacktoBasics]

I see no reason for TO to bitch. He's been staring down double coverage and help zone all season long. This will free him up form being the decoy 80% of the time.

[Evan]

I see no reason for TO to bitch. He's been staring down double coverage and help zone all season long. This will free him up form being the decoy 80% of the time.

agreed

[GaryJohnston]

I listened to the Roy Williams conference call. TO was the first Cowboy to call Williams. T.O. is "exstatic" about playing with Roy. Roy said he wants to contribute in any way he can and can't wait to play along side a verteran WR for the first time in his career.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I think it will be a good move. I don't see Roy Williams being a great WR but he will be very good for them for a few years.

[Evan]

This morning on 1310 the ticket in Dallas

Jerry Jones has been working on this deal for 2 years…

If Detroit had accepted this trade at the draft they would have gotten more than they got Tuesday. Wow..

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Who didn't see this one coming?

Cowboys sources say WR Roy E. Williams is starting to show some frustration over the fact that he hasn’t been used more in his three games with the club (three catches for 38 yards and one TD), which already has to raise doubts about a Williams-Terrell Owens pairing working over the long term. With so many mouths and egos to feed, it might be difficult for QB Tony Romo and coordinator Jason Garrett to make everyone happy.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/Whispers/2008/nfceast110908.htm

[monosylab1k]

:lmao name one receiver in the entire NFL that wouldn't be frustrated over playing with Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger.

[Obstructed_View]

:lmao name one receiver in the entire NFL that wouldn't be frustrated over playing with Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger.

I'm sure Jason Witten is frustrated, and he's been there longer. Where are the reports of him bitching?

[monosylab1k]

I'm sure Jason Witten is frustrated, and he's been there longer. Where are the reports of him bitching?

Why would he bitch? He's struggled out there just as much because of his ribs.

[Obstructed_View]

Why would he bitch? He's struggled out there just as much because of his ribs.

So the fact that his ribs hurt somehow makes playing with Johnson and Bollinger tolerable?

[monosylab1k]

So the fact that his ribs hurt somehow makes playing with Johnson and Bollinger tolerable?

No, it means he's got more on his plate than worrying about who is getting him the ball - things like how to survive each play under excruciating pain.

And let's not make Jason Witten too saintly....for the first few years of his career, he threw plenty of hissy fits over not getting the ball.

[Obstructed_View]

No, it means he's got more on his plate than worrying about who is getting him the ball - things like how to survive each play under excruciating pain.

And let's not make Jason Witten too saintly....for the first few years of his career, he threw plenty of hissy fits over not getting the ball.

You said pick one, I did, and then you made excuses about it. Fine, my next choice is any receiver on the team OTHER THAN Roy Williams. Are they bitching? No. Thanks for playing.

[monosylab1k]

You said pick one, I did, and then you made excuses about it. Fine, my next choice is any receiver on the team OTHER THAN Roy Williams. Are they bitching? No. Thanks for playing.

I never said bitching, I said frustrated. Prove to me that TO isn't frustrated right now. You can't? Thanks for playing.

[monosylab1k]

Cowboys sources say WR Roy E. Williams is starting to show some frustration

OMG who is the source? :wow Rowdy?


Cowboys sources say WR Roy E. Williams is starting to show some frustration

Oh crap! He's bitching! Starting to show some frustration obviously equals bitching to the media!

[monosylab1k]

Oh what's this? A link to Terrell Owens telling everyone he's frustrated, and then for whatever reason saying he can't talk about being frustrated right after talking about being frustrated.

http://www.star-telegram.com/281/story/1020133.html

Thanks for playing.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

So has Romo not been looking his way or is he just not getting open?

Granted, it takes time to become accustomed/involved in an offense but the guy is putting up street FA numbers on a weekly basis.

[Obstructed_View]

Romo couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat yesterday, but I seem to recall that Roy had a couple of opportunities for catches.

[monosylab1k]

So has Romo not been looking his way or is he just not getting open?

He was too busy throwing it to Witten when he wasn't looking.

[DBryant88]

He was too busy throwing it to Witten when he wasn't looking.

mabeye its because witten always make the catch in bad weather or not

[mexicanjunior]

He was too busy throwing it to Witten when he wasn't looking.

It's a shame we cant get Williams more opportunities, I'm starting to think we should have just kept our first rounder and drafted a QB that can actually push Romo to being better...