Every Single 2008 Nobel Laureate Endorses Obama

[01.20.09]

An Open Letter to the America People (http://sefora.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/nobel_letter4.pdf)

sefora.org — An open letter to the American people by some of the brightest minds in the world. A very poignant message.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Eff No!!!

Signed,

Joe Six-Pack

[clambake]

rednecks hate education.

[xeromass]

What do they know, elitist living their elitist lives.

[MannyIsGod]

What do they know, elitist living their elitist lives.

Fuck you beat me to the elitist card. :(

[tp2021]

Eff No!!!

Signed,

Joe Six-Pack

And Jane Wine-Cooler

[Viva Las Espuelas]

eh. nobel kinda lost it's luster with me
http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/12/11/mn_gore_nobel_1.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

LOL

LOL

LOL

So fucking what?

They are all liberal elitists. Those are all the the Nobel Prize is given to anymore. Conservativres never get it. Only liberals, socialists, communists, fascists, etc. get the prize these days.

[MannyIsGod]

This message is hidden because Wild Cobra is on your ignore list (http://spurstalk.com/forums/profile.php?do=editlist).

It had to be done.

[Oh, Gee!!]

It had to be done.

lemming

[cool hand]

can they all be wrong?

[MannyIsGod]

lemming

I did it for my own good. I swear my blood pressure rises when I read that fools posts. No one else in this forum elicits such response from me, but his stupidity and ignorance does.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

It had to be done.
weak. and what's with showcasing it. just do it and get over it. were you expecting a nobel prize in doing so?

[MannyIsGod]

weak. and what's with showcasing it. just do it and get over it. were you expecting a nobel prize in doing so?

I woudln't mind a cookie.

[temujin]

LOL

LOL

LOL

So fucking what?

They are all liberal elitists. Those are all the the Nobel Prize is given to anymore. Conservativres never get it. Only liberals, socialists, communists, fascists, etc. get the prize these days.

The Nobel fascist-communist-elitist-liberist-socialist-plutocraticist-jewishist-wall-streetiticist-federalist conspiracy!!!!!!!!!

What a treat this poster!:toast
Finally someone that got it right!!!!!!!!!!!

[Medvedenko]

LOL

LOL

LOL

So fucking what?

They are all liberal elitists. Those are all the the Nobel Prize is given to anymore. Conservativres never get it. Only liberals, socialists, communists, fascists, etc. get the prize these days.


Wow.....You my friend are lost. However, you're right about the intelligent, educated and luminaries of your country are in the minority. That's part of the problem.

[Anti.Hero]

Nobel has long favored leftist thinking minds.

[temujin]

Nobel has long favored leftist thinking minds.

Nobel has long favoured brilliance and luck.
And forward-looking.
Left and right are obsolete stuff.

[whottt]

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=75557&rendTypeId=4

[whottt]

By the way, someone needs to tell these fuck sticks that McCain isn't Bush....he's got the exact same stance on Stem Cells as Obama for instance and he believes in bullshit global warming initiatives etc.


Incidentally...McCain is also more of a proponent of nuclear energy and reseach than Obama is.


What a bunch of fucking douchebag idiots.

[MannyIsGod]

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=75557&rendTypeId=4

lol well done. This is the one I expected - not Gore.

[Anti.Hero]

Nobel has long favoured brilliance and luck.
And forward-looking.
Left and right are obsolete stuff.

That's what I thought until Gore won one and I did research.

[whottt]

lol well done. This is the one I expected - not Gore.


Thanks...to be fair the OP did say 2008...but still, the Nobel Prize has become somewhat of a joke.


BTW, there's at least one Nobel winning economist that says Obama's economic plan is a complete disaster waiting to happen. I personally don't think you have to be a fucking Nobel Prize Winner to figure that one out.

[smeagol]

An open letter to the American people by some of the brightest minds in the world. A very poignant message.

Ok.

But do they believe in God . . . ?

[Wild Cobra]

That's what I thought until Gore won one and I did research.
Yep, Al Gore, winning the Nobel did it for me. Especially under the catagory he won it for. They placed themselves into the halls of shame.

[whottt]

That's what I thought until Gore won one and I did research.

I give Gore some amount of props...at least he knew better than to sign us onto the Kyoto payout...er treaty.

[JoeChalupa]

I myself would be honored to win the Nobel Peace Price.

[whottt]

I myself would be honored to win the Nobel Peace Price.



Hint: Find a bunch of people willing to blow themselves up or murder civillians and Olympic athletes, get them to do it, then say for 3 billion a year you will get them to stop doing it....

Instant Peace Prize :tu

Then once you get the 3 billion a year stick about 20% annually into your personal bank account, by guns and bombs with the rest of it, blame Israel for the poverty of your people and get the idiots to start blowing themselves up again unless you get more money.

[TheMadHatter]

So now conservatives are writing off Nobel Laureates?

I'm more and more convinced that the majority of conservatives would vote for a pair of tennis shoes if endorsed by the GOP. They are that stupid.

[JoeChalupa]

Hint: Find a bunch of people willing to blow themselves up or murder civillians and Olympic athletes, get them to do it, then say for 3 billion a year you will get them to stop doing it....

Instant Peace Prize :tu

Then once you get the 3 billion a year stick about 20% annually into your personal bank account, by guns and bombs with the rest of it, blame Israel for the poverty of your people and get the idiots to start blowing themselves up again unless you get more money.

I feel the love. :lol

[JoeChalupa]

So now conservatives are writing off Nobel Laureates?

I'm more and more convinced that the majority of conservatives would vote for a pair of tennis shoes if endorsed by the GOP. They are that stupid.

Hey, with cons..you are either with them..or against them. They accept no in between believers.

[temujin]

Could anyone PLEASE tell the would-be self-proclaimed "conservatives" Nobel Laureates crowding Spurstalk to actually READ the list?

NOT a SINGLE Peace Nobel in it.

These folks have actually accomplished stuff in Chemisry, Physics, Medicine.
Check that out.

[Anti.Hero]

So now conservatives are writing off Nobel Laureates?

I'm more and more convinced that the majority of conservatives would vote for a pair of tennis shoes if endorsed by the GOP. They are that stupid.

Tennis shoes can't redistribute our wealth.

I'll say it once again, divide the country in two...let each side have their own president and see which one lasts 10 years.

[temujin]

So now conservatives are writing off Nobel Laureates?

I'm more and more convinced that the majority of conservatives would vote for a pair of tennis shoes if endorsed by the GOP. They are that stupid.

Don't call these folks conservatives.
There is preciously nothing insulting in the term.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Yep, Al Gore, winning the Nobel did it for me. Especially under the catagory he won it for. They placed themselves into the halls of shame.
did you see who he beat out? very sad. and didn't nobel blow himself up?

[whottt]

Could anyone PLEASE tell the would-be self-proclaimed "conservatives" Nobel Laureates crowding Spurstalk to actually READ the list?

NOT a SINGLE Peace Nobel in it.

These folks have actually accomplished stuff in Chemisry, Physics, Medicine.
Check that out.



No shit....

#1. Did you actually read their letter?

#2. Do you know what McCain and OBama's stances are on these issues of research?


McCain has the more progressive stance...


A point lost on every signee to this letter, when they suggested the lapse during the Bush admin as a reason to support Obama.

[ElNono]

No shit....

#1. Did you actually read their letter?

#2. Do you know what McCain and OBama's stances are on these issues of research?

McCain has the more progressive stance...

A point lost on every signee to this letter, when they suggested the lapse during the Bush admin as a reason to support Obama.

They're all probably a lot dumber than you, right? :rolleyes

[JohnnyMarzetti]

No shit....

#1. Did you actually read their letter?

#2. Do you know what McCain and OBama's stances are on these issues of research?


McCain has the more progressive stance...


A point lost on every signee to this letter, when they suggested the lapse during the Bush admin as a reason to support Obama.

Don't worry about it. You'll never be a signee.

[whottt]

Hey...I'm all ears for anyone that wants to point out the differences between Obama and McCain on these issues...

Let's see what these guys know.

[Anti.Hero]

Obama is Black and McCain is bush's half brother.

That's all you need to know Mr.

[temujin]

No shit....

#1. Did you actually read their letter?

Yes.

#2. Do you know what McCain and OBama's stances are on these issues of research?


McCain has the more progressive stance...


A point lost on every signee to this letter, when they suggested the lapse during the Bush admin as a reason to support Obama.

I agree McCain's no Bush.
And it is also not true that the US lost an edge in these 8 years in some of the fields.
Nevertheless, it is just plainly impossible for an intelligent individual to support even a decent man of the same party that ruled in the US for the last 8 years.

Don't get it wrong here.
I actually know some of the subjects on the list.

[whottt]

Don't worry about it. You'll never be a signee.

Tell you what fuck stick...how about the rest of just not vote and leave the voting to the Nobel Prize Winner. Would you be happy then?

GFY.

[whottt]

And it is also not true that the US lost an edge in these 8 years in some of the fields.


I think it is true, particularly in medical reasearch..it's the A#1 problem I had with supporting Bush in 2004. It's also something I really like about McCain.

The Stem Cell thing isn't even an issue anymore, Federal funding or otherwise...not than McCain and Obama have a different voting record on it anyway.


What these guys are attempting to claim is that McCain is going to cut research spending while Obama isn't...there is not a shred of evidence to bear that fact out and what evidence there is points to McCain being more likely to spend on research than Obama...who other plans for that money....like giving everyone health care.


The motivation behind this is entirely political gain...these guys simply think the US dollars will flow to them more freely under Obama than McCain....and they think that because the dollars didn't flow freely under Bush.

[ElNono]

Tell you what fuck stick...how about the rest of just not vote and leave the voting to the Nobel Prize Winner. Would you be happy then?

GFY.

You jealous? :lmao

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Tell you what fuck stick...how about the rest of just not vote and leave the voting to the Nobel Prize Winner. Would you be happy then?

GFY.

Listen up druggie, how about the rest of stick our heads up palin's ass and follow her blindly like you are. Would you be happy then? You are just as erratic as McSame is right now.

[byrontx]

The original version of McCain wasn't all that bad but this ver. 9.8 sucks.

[JoeChalupa]

The original version of McCain wasn't all that bad but this ver. 9.8 sucks.

I concur. McCain took a turn for the worse during this campaign.

[temujin]

I think it is true, particularly in medical reasearch..it's the A#1 problem I had with supporting Bush in 2004. It's also something I really like about McCain.

Disagree. I think the field in which the US is really behind is energy.

The Stem Cell thing isn't even an issue anymore, Federal funding or otherwise...not than McCain and Obama have a different voting record on it anyway.

Stem Cell research hasn't stopped. California, for one, is putting huge amount of money on it. Blue state, republican governor, last time I checked.

What these guys are attempting to claim is that McCain is going to cut research spending while Obama isn't...there is not a shred of evidence to bear that fact out and what evidence there is points to McCain being more likely to spend on research than Obama...who other plans for that money....like giving everyone health care.

I think that research spending will be cut no matter who's elected. Simply, the US cannot afford the type of spending of the 90s anymore. In general, it's going to be more military cuts than research/health care with Obama, more the reverse with McCain.

The motivation behind this is entirely political gain...these guys simply think the US dollars will flow to them more freely under Obama than McCain....and they think that because the dollars didn't flow freely under Bush.

Most of them ARE doing no science anymore and they don't give a damn about money.
Believe me, these people play it at another level.

[temujin]

I concur. McCain took a turn for the worse during this campaign.

Absolutely.
And I can trace it when the oilmen pushed for this Alaska's woman to be on the ticket.
And you don't have to be a Nobel Laureate to understand why.

[whottt]

Disagree. I think the field in which the US is really behind is energy.



Stem Cell research hasn't stopped. California, for one, is putting huge amount of money on it. Blue state, republican governor, last time I checked.


Um...no offense, but you evidentally don't have a clue about the Stem Cell debate.

It was never about if States could or would fund Stem Cell Research...

It was about whether or not the Federal Government should fund embryonic Stem Cell Research. which included the production and harvesting of embryonic stem cells...and the destrction of human embryos in the process.

That's what the Bush admin was against...the Federal government funding the production and harvesting of embryonic stem cells which would result in the destruction of actual human embryos.

It's not an issue anymore...we now have the technology to extract embryonic stem cells without destroying the embryo. [/debate]





I think that research spending will be cut no matter who's elected. Simply, the US cannot afford the type of spending of the 90s anymore. In general, it's going to be more military cuts than research/health care with Obama, more the reverse with McCain.

McCain favors research and development of all alternative energy solutions...Obama does not, he has a more limited stance on both nuclear and coal than McCain.


Obama also wants to cut Military research and defense spending, the sector that produced the most scientific advancements of the 20th century...McCain does not.


McCain is also a pilot, like most of the guys that pioneered our space program and considers space research a key element to our National Security...Obama thinks sucking Iranian cock is a key element to our National Security.



Most of them ARE doing no science anymore and they don't give a damn about money.
Believe me, these people play it at another level..

Believe me...these guys said not one fucking word about McCain's plans in their letter...what they said Obama...who makes promises he can't keep every time he opens his mouth.

Obama isn't going to be funding shit for research if he truly intends to implement a National Healthcare plan...

[JoeChalupa]

Absolutely.
And I can trace it when the oilmen pushed for this Alaska's woman to be on the ticket.
And you don't have to be a Nobel Laureate to understand why.

Yup, McCain went against his own better judgment and that in itself is cause to wonder.

[whottt]

Absolutely.
And I can trace it when the oilmen pushed for this Alaska's woman to be on the ticket.
And you don't have to be a Nobel Laureate to understand why.


Yeah because no doubt the Oilmen love Palin and the windfall tax on profits she hit their asses with.


You know more about Stem Cells...

[JoeChalupa]

Yeah because no doubt the Oilmen love Palin and the windfall tax profit she hit their asses with.


You know more about Stem Cells...

Come on whottt, you have to admit that McCain caving in against his own judgment shows a lack of leadership.

[ElNono]

Yeah because no doubt the Oilmen love Palin and the windfall tax on profits she hit their asses with.

Oilmen sure like to have sex with the government employees that are supposed to be auditing them...

[Shastafarian]

I already proposed whottt be nominated for a Nobel Prize (he took an Astronomy class in college) for thinking up Supermassive Black Holes. Who's with me?

[whottt]

Come on whottt, you have to admit that McCain caving in against his own judgment shows a lack of leadership.



Why would the Oilmen want Palin when there were so many better alternatives without a record of ass fucking Oilcos like Palin has?(the only candidate in this election with such a record BTW).


Palin was selected to get the Pro-lifers(the only group on the right fantatical enough to run state and country level campaigns), the middle class, women and the pissed off Hillary supporters...

She's also one of the most charismatic politicians to come down the pipe in a while...

You don't see it yet, but you will on election day.


She's had more positive impact on a Presidential Campaign thany any VP selection in history...as evidenced by the RNC's record fund raising, appearance turnouts and TV ratings since she got the nod.


Anyone that thinks Palin was a stupid pick in terms of winning this election, is stupid.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

did you see who he beat out?
alright. no one bit on it, so here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler

irena was more of a man than ol' albert could ever be.

[JoeChalupa]

Why would the Oilmen want Palin when there were so many better alternatives without a record of ass fucking Oilcos like Palin has?(the only candidate in this election with such a record BTW).


Palin was selected to get the Pro-lifers(the only group on the right fantatical enough to run state and country level campaigns), the middle class, women and the pissed off Hillary supporters...

She's also one of the most charismatic politicians to come down the pipe in a while...

You don't see it yet, but you will on election day.


She's had more positive impact on a Presidential Campaign thany any VP selection in history...as evidenced by the RNC's record fund raising, appearance turnouts and TV ratings since she got the nod.


Anyone that thinks Palin was a stupid pick in terms of winning this election, is stupid.

That is true but the polls are also showing her initial excitement has dwindled and keeps going down the more she talks.
And if anyone can't see it wasn't the right move in the long run then they are stupid. Just plain stupid.

[JoeChalupa]

Palin's popularity slide in Alaska (http://www.lastreporter.com/?p=2015)

[dg7md]

Wow, cons now are neglecting Nobel winners?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Why would the Oilmen want Palin when there were so many better alternatives without a record of ass fucking Oilcos like Palin has?(the only candidate in this election with such a record BTW).


Palin was selected to get the Pro-lifers(the only group on the right fantatical enough to run state and country level campaigns), the middle class, women and the pissed off Hillary supporters...

She's also one of the most charismatic politicians to come down the pipe in a while...

You don't see it yet, but you will on election day.


She's had more positive impact on a Presidential Campaign thany any VP selection in history...as evidenced by the RNC's record fund raising, appearance turnouts and TV ratings since she got the nod.


Anyone that thinks Palin was a stupid pick in terms of winning this election, is stupid.

dude, whott, this guy practically wears obamapom-poms in here. it's like pissing in the wind with him.

[whottt]

Palin's popularity slide in Alaska (http://www.lastreporter.com/?p=2015)



:lmao it plummeted to 65%.


I bet not many politicians can pull that trick off...plummeting, and still having a 65% rating.


Did you know that 85% approval rating was one of the highest marks in history for any politician anywhere? And it had slumped...from over 90%.

[JoeChalupa]

dude, whott, this guy practically wears obamapom-poms in here. it's like pissing in the wind with him.

Whottt is more interested in Sarah Palin's pom-poms.

[whottt]

Wow, cons now are neglecting Nobel winners?



It's about the money dipshit...they think they'll get more of it under Obama. And there's absolutely nothing to indicate that's true...

[dg7md]

It's about the money dipshit...they think they'll get more of it under Obama. And there's absolutely nothing to indicate that's true...

Actually it's based upon beliefs, not a financial gain. I'm pretty sure intelligent minds want someone named not-Palin as responsible for this country.

[Spurminator]

Actually it's based upon beliefs, not a financial gain. I'm pretty sure intelligent minds want someone named not-Palin as responsible for this country.


During the administration of George W. Bush, vital parts of our country's scientific enterprise have been damaged by stagnant or declining federal support.

[whottt]

Actually it's based upon beliefs, not a financial gain. I'm pretty sure intelligent minds want someone named not-Palin as responsible for this country.


From the letter:

During the administration of George W. Bush vital parts of our countries scientific enterprise have been damanged by stagnant or declining federal support.



Translation:

It's about the money.


These guys don't live on air you know....


They don't even mention McCain in their letter, they mention Bush...nor do they clearly state exactly why they are endorsing Obama.

[clambake]

mccain thinks embryos and fetuses are the same thing. a true progressive.

he voted for a bill to block fetal farming even though there was no fetal farming.

[whottt]

The funniest thing about this letter is when they say "our country"...and I'd be willing to bet the majority of them aren't even from America....unless of course every Nobel Laureate of 2008 is American. Which I highly doubt.

[whottt]

mccain thinks embryos and fetuses are the same thing. a true progressive.

he voted for a bill to block fetal farming even though there was no fetal farming.



If only they had Pre-extraction embryonic stem cell research when your mama was Pregnant....and she had wanted to advance science.

If only....

[clambake]

If only they had Pre-extraction embryonic stem cell research when your mama was Pregnant....and she had wanted to advance science.

If only....

just vote for the guy that claims victory in games that don't exist.

[temujin]

Um...no offense, but you evidentally don't have a clue about the Stem Cell debate.

It was never about if States could or would fund Stem Cell Research...

It was about whether or not the Federal Government should fund embryonic Stem Cell Research. which included the production and harvesting of embryonic stem cells...and the destrction of human embryos in the process.

That's what the Bush admin was against...the Federal government funding the production and harvesting of embryonic stem cells which would result in the destruction of actual human embryos.

It's not an issue anymore...we now have the technology to extract embryonic stem cells without destroying the embryo. [/debate]



1) You advance knowledge by doing reasearch.

2) To do research you need money.

3) You don't actually care whether that money comes from the Federal or the State government. Stem cells research is heavily funded in the US by State, as well as charities money. More so than elsewhere in the world. It is highly questionable that had the Federal government decided to fund Stem Cells research, California would have put all that money into it. So Bush's decision had limited impact.
4) Even after the Yamanki experiments, the issue is far from over, as there are arguments against iPS=ES cells. You don't actually extract embryonic stem cells, you revert them from differentiated somatic cells.
5) The ethical issues are very relevant, if the iPS -resulting from the reversion- can actually produce a human being. In fact, they are even more dramatic, because one can technically take his own cells, revert them back to embryonic-like, and use them to create another self.

[whottt]

just vote for the guy that claims victory in games that don't exist.


Would make a shitty bumpersticker...you're either getting better or worse, I'll take you off ignore and keep an eye out for your posts to let you know which it is :tu

[temujin]

From the letter:

During the administration of George W. Bush vital parts of our countries scientific enterprise have been damanged by stagnant or declining federal support.



Translation:

It's about the money.


These guys don't live on air you know....


They don't even mention McCain in their letter, they mention Bush...nor do they clearly state exactly why they are endorsing Obama.

Whott, not all people are obsessed by money.
Money is only important for those that don't have it.
These NObel laureates have no money problem whatsoever. They are people that are obsessed by their own brilliance, seldom by money.
Take from an insider.

[temujin]

The funniest thing about this letter is when they say "our country"...and I'd be willing to bet the majority of them aren't even from America....unless of course every Nobel Laureate of 2008 is American. Which I highly doubt.

The list contains Laureates from before 2008 of course.

And yes a lot were NOT born in America.
Benacerraf in Venezuela, Dieserhoffer in bavaria, Capecchi and Giacconi in Italy, Jim watson and Ollie Smithies in England, Nambu in Japan, in Russia the first that come to mind.

So what?

[tp2021]

It's always about the money. No matter who it is.

[clambake]

Would make a shitty bumpersticker...you're either getting better or worse, I'll take you off ignore and keep an eye out for your posts to let you know which it is :tu

you get burned when you try to shower false praise about mccains "breakthrough" policy on stem cell research and fall back to your defensive line with a response like this?

[whottt]

The list contains Laureates from before 2008 of course.

And yes a lot were NOT born in America.
Benacerraf in Venezuela, Dieserhoffer in bavaria, Capecchi and Giacconi in Italy, Jim watson and Ollie Smithies in England, Nambu in Japan, in Russia the first that come to mind.

So what?



My point is that they say "our country" in the letter.

I read somewhere that only 4 of the people that signed this letter are Americans.

[whottt]

you get burned when you try to shower false praise about mccains "breakthrough" policy on stem cell research

Link?
Check Obama and McCain's voting record.




and fall back to your defensive line with a response like this?


You usually suck.