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Galileo
10-16-2008, 05:39 PM
National Poll: 79% Prefer Bailing Out the People Rather than the Bankers

For Immediate Release – October, 17, 2008 – Kevin Barrett for Congress

Contact:

Rolf Lindgren – Polling Director
608-279-5889, [email protected]

Dr. Kevin Barrett – Libertarian Party Candidate, Third Congressional District, Wisconsin
715-333-7319, [email protected]

www.barrettforcongress.us

79% of the registered voters in the United States believe it would be a better idea to spend $30 billion dollars to bail out most homeowners who can’t pay their mortgages, rather than to spend $700 billion to bail out bankers, according to a scientific poll released today. The poll was conducted by Voice Broadcasting, Inc. out of Arlington, Texas, and was commissioned by the Kevin Barrett for congress campaign. The poll was conducted on October 14 and 15, 2008.

The exact wording of the poll question was:

“It will cost the taxpayers more than 700 billion dollars to bail out the bankers. But for only 30 billion dollars, we could bail out most of the people who can't pay their mortgages. Who would you rather bail out, the bankers or the people?”

The statistical margin of error for the poll question was 3.7%.

Kevin Barrett says:

“This poll proves that the republicrats are out of touch with the people. It’s time to elect Libertarians, Independents, and Third party candidates to congress.”

Other Key Poll Findings

· 59% oppose the bailout.

· 33% believe that the World Trade Center was blown up with explosives or that an investigation should be conducted to find out.

· 76% favor term limits for the U.S. congress.

· 76% say that third party and independent candidates should be invited to televised presidential debates.

· 79% believe that ballot access should be made easier for third party and independent candidates.

· In a four-way poll of the major alternative candidates for president, Ralph Nader leads with 54%.

· Only 4% know that Philip Zelikow was the executive director of the 9/11 Commission.

· Only 17% appear to have heard of World Trade Center Building 7.

Complete Poll Results

Do you support the $700 billion dollar banker bailout?

Yes 41%
No 59% [Barrett’s position]

It will cost the taxpayers more than 700 billion dollars to bail out the bankers. But for only 30 billion dollars, we could bail out most of the people who can't pay their mortgages. Who would you rather bail out, the bankers or the people?

Bail out the bankers 21%
Bail out the people 79% [Barrett’s preference]

Do you support the 9/11 family members' call for a new, independent investigation of 9/11?

I support the call for a new investigation 29% [Barrett’s position]
I do not support the call for a new investigation 71%

Governor Jesse Ventura is a trained military demolitions expert. He and hundreds of engineers, scientists, and architects think the World Trade Center skyscrapers were probably taken down with explosives. Do you agree?

I agree that these were probably controlled demolitions 19% [Barrett’s position]
I disagree. These were not controlled demolitions 67%
I don't know, but we need an investigation to find out 14%

Where do you get most of your news from?

The Internet 12% [Barrett]
Radio, TV, magazines, or newspapers 88%

If the election for president of the United States were held today, and your choices were Libertarian party candidate Bob Barr, Green party candidate Cynthia McKinney, Constitution party candidate Chuck Baldwin, or Independent candidate Ralph Nader, who would you vote for?

Libertarian party candidate Bob Barr 18% [Rolf Lindgren’s choice]
Green party candidate Cynthia McKinney 21% [Barrett’s choice]
Constitution party candidate Chuck Baldwin 7%
Independent candidate Ralph Nader 54%

How many giant skyscrapers fell at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001?

One 5%
Two 65%
Three 17% [correct answer]
Four 13%

Do you favor term limits for members of the United States congress?

Yes 76% [Barrett’s position]
No 24%

Should medical marijuana be re-legalized?

Yes 53% [Barrett’s position]
No 47%

Should Third party or Independent candidates for president be invited to televised debates?

Yes 76% [Barrett’s position]
No 24%

Should ballot access be made easier for Third party or Independent candidates?

Yes 79% [Barrett’s position]
No 21%

Does the so-called war on drugs endanger civil liberties or our United States constitution?

Yes 43% [Barrett’s position]
No 57%

Does the so-called war on terror endanger civil liberties or our United States constitution?

Yes 39% [Barrett’s position]
No 61%

How many days went by before the 9/11 Commission was created?

4 days 2%
41 days 12%
441 days 25% [correct answer]
Don't know 61%

Who was the executive director of the 9/11 Commission?

Henry Kissinger 6%
Thomas Kean 27%
Philip Zelikow 4% [correct answer]
Don't know 63%

Polling Company:

Voice Broadcasting, Inc.
1527 S Cooper St.
Arlington, TX 76010
Telephone: 817-462-0717

boutons_
10-16-2008, 06:12 PM
while the bankers laugh their obese asses off at the citizen suckers ... laughin all the way to the bank

Galileo
10-17-2008, 12:53 PM
"If roses are outlawed, only outlaws will send roses,"



Birthday roses may cost extra for candidate on restraining order

http://www.wiscnews.com/bnr/news/309921

fyatuk
10-17-2008, 01:09 PM
While it probably wouldn't change much, this is a loaded question: “It will cost the taxpayers more than 700 billion dollars to bail out the bankers. But for only 30 billion dollars, we could bail out most of the people who can't pay their mortgages. Who would you rather bail out, the bankers or the people?”

Naturally people are going to go with what is listed as a much cheaper alternative. I'd like to see the results if you leave the out the monetary amount.

Of course, I'd rather see the goverment negotiate a settlement for the bad mortgages (could probably get it down to 70% of the outstanding principal in most situations) and then negotiate new mortgages to the occupants. Helps out both sectors.

ChumpDumper
10-17-2008, 02:34 PM
Why is this guy wasting money on national polls?

The Franchise
10-17-2008, 02:36 PM
Why should either be bailed out?

Galileo
10-17-2008, 02:45 PM
Why is this guy wasting money on national polls?

Publicity and fundraising. Have you mailed Barrett a check yet?

Galileo
10-17-2008, 02:48 PM
Why should either be bailed out?

Neither should, as Barrett states, he is against the bailout.

But Barrett says that of the $700 billion that has already been authorized, $30 billion should be used to bail out people in foreclosure. They can spend the other $670 billion to bail out the bankers.

ChumpDumper
10-17-2008, 03:01 PM
Publicity and fundraising. Have you mailed Barrett a check yet?If he has money to waste on national polls, he doesn't need any money.

He is also going to lose horribly.

Galileo
10-17-2008, 03:09 PM
If he has money to waste on national polls, he doesn't need any money.

He is also going to lose horribly.

He got a great deal on the polls. He already won the first election. He is undefeated at this point. And invincible.

Tully365
10-17-2008, 03:16 PM
I wonder what the percentage would be if you asked average citizens if eliminating taxes altogether would be a good idea? Or if the government should subsidize bars and make beer free for all Americans? It seems to me that almost all politicians use the populist angle when it's to their advantage, and then calmly abandon it as soon as it doesn't serve their purpose anymore.

ChumpDumper
10-17-2008, 03:24 PM
He got a great deal on the polls. He already won the first election. He is undefeated at this point. And invincible.Really?

What are his poll numbers?

DarrinS
10-17-2008, 03:25 PM
http://skateandannoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/duh-duh.jpg

Galileo
10-17-2008, 03:31 PM
Really?

What are his poll numbers?

Can you make any intelligent comments about the poll? Are you capable?

Galileo
10-17-2008, 03:32 PM
http://skateandannoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/duh-duh.jpg

Einstein stole his ideas on relative motion from Galileo. He even admitted it.

Galileo
10-17-2008, 03:32 PM
I wonder what the percentage would be if you asked average citizens if eliminating taxes altogether would be a good idea? Or if the government should subsidize bars and make beer free for all Americans? It seems to me that almost all politicians use the populist angle when it's to their advantage, and then calmly abandon it as soon as it doesn't serve their purpose anymore.

Those sound like some good poll questions.

Trainwreck2100
10-17-2008, 03:34 PM
If you bail out individuals won't the banks still get the money?

ChumpDumper
10-17-2008, 03:37 PM
Can you make any intelligent comments about the poll? Are you capable?Yeah, the poll proves no one gives a shit about his 9/11 theories.

I have not seen any basis for the personal bailout number, nor does your fellow kook provide any.

Can you make any intelligent comments about this nutjob's chance of actually being elected?

Galileo
10-17-2008, 03:38 PM
If you bail out individuals won't the banks still get the money?

They will. But if we bail out the banks, the people still lose their homes.

Galileo
10-17-2008, 03:39 PM
Yeah, the poll proves no one gives a shit about his 9/11 theories.

I have not seen any basis for the personal bailout number, nor does your fellow kook provide any.

Can you make any intelligent comments about this nutjob's chance of actually being elected?

Take the number of people in foreclosure and multiply by $15,000 to bail people out of foreclosure.

BacktoBasics
10-17-2008, 03:42 PM
You would open up all kinds of doors where people would bitch and moan about how Joe the plumber got bailed out but somehow you didn't qualify. Fucking A right they don't want to hear all that bullshit. Not to mention that this country is built on the success of the rich and wealthy not common tax paying citizens. Get real.

ChumpDumper
10-17-2008, 03:43 PM
Wow, from which economist did you get one?

:lmao

BacktoBasics
10-17-2008, 03:45 PM
7,500,000,000

If 500,000 people are in foreclosure. No way this county lets lowlife second rate low income families earn a few billion dollar ride at the hard working americans expense.

Galileo
10-17-2008, 03:53 PM
Wow, from which economist did you get one?

:lmao

The math is easy.

We have about 75 million homeowners with mortgages. The foreclosure rate went from 1% a couple years ago to 2%. So we have about 1.5 million people in forclosure.

A typical mortgage payment is $1000 per month. Most are under $2000 per month. To be in foreclosure, you must be 4 months behind. Four payments is going to be around $4000 for many and usually below $8000.

If we allocate $20,000 to a homeowner, that would be enough to get most of them out of foreclosure.

$20K x 1.5 mill = 30 bill.

$30 billion

This is not rocket science.

boutons_
10-17-2008, 03:54 PM
The target is to force lenders to re-write the at-risk mortgages so people can stay in their homes and keeping CASH FLOWing into the financial system to support MBS, mortgage-backed securities.

ChumpDumper
10-17-2008, 03:56 PM
The math is easy.

We have about 75 million homeowners with mortgages. The foreclosure rate went from 1% a couple years ago to 2%. So we have about 1.5 million people in forclosure.

A typical mortgage payment is $1000 per month. Most are under $2000 per month. To be in foreclosure, you must be 4 months behind. Four payments is going to be around $4000 for many and usually below $8000.

If we allocate $20,000 to a homeowner, that would be enough to get most of them out of foreclosure.

$20K x 1.5 mill = 30 bill.

$30 billion

This is not rocket science.Then a few months late they will be right back in foreclosure.

Brilliant.

boutons_
10-17-2008, 03:57 PM
"enough to get most of them out of foreclosure."

so they get out of f/c, and can't make the next 4,5 months, so they're back in f/c.

Galileo
10-17-2008, 03:59 PM
Wow, from which economist did you get one?

:lmao

I'm a follower of these famous economists:

Adam Smith
Frederich Hayek
Lew Rockwell
Dr. Thomas Woods
James Madison
Nicolaus Copernicus
Dr. Morgan Reynolds

I suggest if you want to learn about economics, you go to these sites:

www.freemarketnews.com

www.lewrockwell.com

Galileo
10-17-2008, 04:04 PM
"enough to get most of them out of foreclosure."

so they get out of f/c, and can't make the next 4,5 months, so they're back in f/c.

The government does not usually plan that far ahead. Many people can make their payments, but just got behind because of health issue, employment issue, divorce and/or domestic issue, or a legal rpoblem in the family. They need a boost.

Otherwise, they have 4 months to sell their house.

ChumpDumper
10-17-2008, 04:05 PM
I'm a follower of these famous economists:

Adam Smith
Frederich Hayek
Lew Rockwell
Dr. Thomas Woods
James Madison
Nicolaus Copernicus
Dr. Morgan Reynolds

I suggest if you want to learn about economics, you go to these sites:

www.freemarketnews.com

www.lewrockwell.com

I suggest you tell me how your nutjob friend is doing in the polls.

Galileo
10-17-2008, 04:12 PM
I suggest you tell me how your nutjob friend is doing in the polls.

Barrett is poised to set a new world record!

Kevin Barrett could break Libertarian records
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/kevin-barrett-could-break-libertarian-records/

ChumpDumper
10-17-2008, 04:14 PM
Barrett is poised to set a new world record!

Kevin Barrett could break Libertarian records
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/kevin-barrett-could-break-libertarian-records/So he is going to lose horribly.

Galileo
10-17-2008, 04:29 PM
So he is going to lose horribly.

Your contribution to the Barrett campaign could put him over the hump.

ChumpDumper
10-17-2008, 04:31 PM
No, nothing will help.

He's going to lose.

Galileo
10-17-2008, 04:41 PM
No, nothing will help.

He's going to lose.

Well, if he doesn't win, I know who to blame.

ChumpDumper
10-17-2008, 04:43 PM
I will take all the credit for his crushing defeat.

Galileo
10-17-2008, 05:00 PM
I will take all the credit for his crushing defeat.

It'd be better if you could contribute something intelligent about the polling data.

:p:

ChumpDumper
10-17-2008, 05:06 PM
Already did.

Galileo
10-17-2008, 05:14 PM
Already did.

n't.

ChumpDumper
10-17-2008, 05:16 PM
Sure. You just didn't like the comments. Your nutjob friend isn't going to be elected, so his polling is irrelevant.

Galileo
10-17-2008, 05:31 PM
Sure. You just didn't like the comments. Your nutjob friend isn't going to be elected, so his polling is irrelevant.

The polling data remains a sorry fact of life for you, regardless of who wins the election. This is a national poll.

ChumpDumper
10-17-2008, 05:34 PM
I'm fine with the results of the poll. It's you and your nutjob friend who are sad.

Galileo
10-17-2008, 06:24 PM
I'm fine with the results of the poll. It's you and your nutjob friend who are sad.

You're very upset with the poll results because you are the sheeple.

Barrett provided these poll results as a public service for us all.

ChumpDumper
10-17-2008, 08:03 PM
You're very upset with the poll results because you are the sheeple.I just said I am fine with them. It's difficult to see how there could have been a different result.


Barrett provided these poll results as a public service for us all.You're upset because he is going to lose horribly.

BacktoBasics
10-18-2008, 09:11 AM
The people say bail out the people but you're fucking insane if you think the people would ultimately be ok with handing out free passes to a few million while others who have scraped by and managed their money get nothing.

Bailing out the people is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

JoeChalupa
10-18-2008, 09:17 AM
The people say bail out the people but you're fucking insane if you think the people would ultimately be ok with handing out free passes to a few million while others who have scraped by and managed their money get nothing.

Bailing out the people is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

I concur. I made the right decision by not being stupid enough to fall for that ARM crap and have been working and making my payments on time and taking off 10 yrs from my mortgage payments.
I know friends who are struggling because they wanted that nice new over priced home and I'm sorry, but you made your own bed.

Galileo
10-18-2008, 11:33 AM
The people say bail out the people but you're fucking insane if you think the people would ultimately be ok with handing out free passes to a few million while others who have scraped by and managed their money get nothing.

Bailing out the people is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Do you have any polling data to support this hair-brained theory?

exstatic
10-18-2008, 12:46 PM
Then a few months late they will be right back in foreclosure.

Brilliant.

Notice how The Astronomer completely ignored this one...

The fallacy of Libertarian economics is that they see the economy as a rational system, when in fact it's an emotional one. If you do nothing, you have 1929 redux. They did NOTHING to intervene in that panic, and the market lost 90% of it's value in a couple years, banks failed en mass, and there was no FDIC. People lost fucking everything. Three cheers for non-intervention.

Galileo
10-18-2008, 01:15 PM
Notice how The Astronomer completely ignored this one...

The fallacy of Libertarian economics is that they see the economy as a rational system, when in fact it's an emotional one. If you do nothing, you have 1929 redux. They did NOTHING to intervene in that panic, and the market lost 90% of it's value in a couple years, banks failed en mass, and there was no FDIC. People lost fucking everything. Three cheers for non-intervention.

you don't believe in cold hard numbers?

BacktoBasics
10-18-2008, 02:36 PM
Do you have any polling data to support this hair-brained theory?

I don't need polling data to know the typical selfish selfabsorbed thought process of the average american.

People say "give it to the people" or "why shouldn't we be bailed out" but when it comes down to it they don't realize that they'll probably never see a penny of it but irresponsible lazy dipshit Joe down the street might see a benefit to the tune of a few thousand dollars if not 10's of thousands. You know how many hard working responsible people will be outraged at the hand out. People already frown on the citizens getting hand outs and those don't even come close to comparing to one of this magnitude. How many times do you hear people talk down about the guy with a lonestar card driving an Escalade.

I can hear it now.

"Oh Oh he's in forecloser but he sure has a nice big SUV....and all those nice toys.....why does he get government assistance."

You can't possibly think Average America will accept handouts for some and not for others.

BradLohaus
10-18-2008, 05:42 PM
The top 1% in America own about 40% of the wealth
The bottom 95% in America own about 40% of the wealth
The top 2-5% in America own the remaining ~20%

You can't bail the people out. You could redistribute all of the wealth equally, and in about 75 years we'd be right back where we are. Some people get into the top 1% by creating things. The rest create credit. The game is rigged to distribute the wealth just the way it is. It isn't competitive, free market capitalism; it's a pyramid scheme run by bankers and oligarchs.

But don't take it from me, take it from Sir Josiah Stamp, a former director of the Bank of England and the 2nd richest man in that country when he died in the 40s:


Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. Bankers own the earth; take it away from them but leave them with the power to create credit; and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear, and they ought to disappear, for then this world would be a happier and better world to live in. But if you want to be slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers control money and control credit.