Please Vote For Obama...

[Wild Cobra]

...He will give your money to me.

Your Children will pay for my health care.

Isn't that what all this amounts to?

Liberals who want to be irresponsible and live off other people's hard work?

[BRHornet45]

yep son. its the cool thing to do ... just DO IT .... or else.

[JoeChalupa]

Isn't that what all this amounts to?

Liberals who want to be irresponsible and live off other people's hard work?

Yeah, right. I work, my wife works and we pay taxes so stop with the bullshit. There are plenty of conservatives living off all the people's taxes too. Get over yourself. :lol

[BRHornet45]

Yeah, right. I work, my wife works and we pay taxes so stop with the bullshit. There are plenty of conservatives living off all the people's taxes too. Get over yourself. :lol

lol blind fool you are. how much do you and your wife earn in a year total?

[Wild Cobra]

Yeah, right. I work, my wife works and we pay taxes so stop with the bullshit. There are plenty of conservatives living off all the people's taxes too. Get over yourself. :lol
I would say very few conservatives live off other people's taxes. They would be hypocrites. Maybe a RINO, but not a conservative. The few examples you can find I'll bet are short term situations that the programs were initially meant for. Thing is, a conservative will feel shamed living off of others, and find a job ASAP.

[ElNono]

Isn't that what all this amounts to?

Liberals who want to be irresponsible and live off other people's hard work?

Fuck yeah! I'm quitting my job Nov 5!!!!! :tu

[Nbadan]

WC hasn't played the socialist card yet? WTF?

[whottt]

I was in a store in San Marcos today and I heard this kid talking to someone on the cellphone.

Conversation from his end went like this:

Kidd: Dude you know I've been for Obama for a while.
Kidd: Yeah but I don't make a 250k a year and neither do you, so who cares?
Kidd: Yeah but you won't be one of the ones that has to pay it.




:lol this kid is in for a rude awakening.

[whottt]

Obama plan:

Well we're going to get American companies to create these efficient new cars!


After I tax the shit out of them!

[ChumpDumper]

After he guarantees bailout loans for them.

[Cry Havoc]

I was in a store in San Marcos today and I heard this kid talking to someone on the cellphone.

Conversation from his end went like this:

Kidd: Dude you know I've been for Obama for a while.
Kidd: Yeah but I don't make a 250k a year and neither do you, so who cares?
Kidd: Yeah but you won't be one of the ones that has to pay it.




:lol this kid is in for a rude awakening.


Holy shit, did you at least get his autograph?

[DarkReign]

I would say very few conservatives live off other people's taxes.

First off, thats complete bullshit. The majority of welfare recipients in this country reside in...

duh duh duh

The rural South. Yes, Dixieland is populated by (to borrow Chris Rock) mayonnaise sandwich eating hillbillies who are as uneducated and worthless to society as any intercity fuckwad.


Moreover, take a loooog look at which states receive the most federal aid per capita, which states rely on the government more than others and who spends the most per capita on social services (Medicaid and Welfare).

All red states.

Im sure it pains you to acknowledge your own party's "hardcore base" as the stupid, uneducated rednecks that they are, but it doesnt make it any less true.

So you know, and to be fair, I completely realize and recognize the liberal, hippy shitheads who populate the Dem party as well.

Which is why I hate partisan politics to no end.

[romad_20]

First off, thats complete bullshit. The majority of welfare recipients in this country reside in...

duh duh duh

The rural South. Yes, Dixieland is populated by (to borrow Chris Rock) mayonnaise sandwich eating hillbillies who are as uneducated and worthless to society as any intercity fuckwad.


Moreover, take a loooog look at which states receive the most federal aid per capita, which states rely on the government more than others and who spends the most per capita on social services (Medicaid and Welfare).

All red states.

Im sure it pains you to acknowledge your own party's "hardcore base" as the stupid, uneducated rednecks that they are, but it doesnt make it any less true.

So you know, and to be fair, I completely realize and recognize the liberal, hippy shitheads who populate the Dem party as well.

Which is why I hate partisan politics to no end.

True that. I grew up in SC and GA. You should see the line for welfare checks in Augusta. Guess what its not just minorities in it, there are a lot of poor white trash picking up money for cheap beer and smokes, including some of my white trash family members who all vote Republican.

[Wild Cobra]

First off, thats complete bullshit. The majority of welfare recipients in this country reside in...

duh duh duh

The rural South. Yes, Dixieland is populated by (to borrow Chris Rock) mayonnaise sandwich eating hillbillies who are as uneducated and worthless to society as any intercity fuckwad.


Moreover, take a loooog look at which states receive the most federal aid per capita, which states rely on the government more than others and who spends the most per capita on social services (Medicaid and Welfare).

All red states.

They may be red states, but I'll place good money that the ones you speek of vote democrat/liberal rather than conservative/republican.

Have any stats that break the party affiliation down?

I didn't think so. That's hard to find.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I was in a store in San Marcos today and I heard this kid talking to someone on the cellphone.

Conversation from his end went like this:

Kidd: Dude you know I've been for Obama for a while.
Kidd: Yeah but I don't make a 250k a year and neither do you, so who cares?
Kidd: Yeah but you won't be one of the ones that has to pay it.




:lol this kid is in for a rude awakening.

yeah whottt, sure you overheard a random kid, sure :lol

[clambake]

They may be red states, but I'll place good money that the ones you speek of vote democrat/liberal rather than conservative/republican.

Have any stats that break the party affiliation down?

I didn't think so. That's hard to find.

hey, stupid motherfucker, you were on welfare when you were a kid.

[FromWayDowntown]

I voted for Obama.

I now look forward to settling in for the easy ride over the next 8 years.

No more 90 hour work weeks for me! No, sir -- Wild Cobra's paying my way!!

[Extra Stout]

I can understand WC's frustration. I mean, compare western Oregon to eastern Oregon. The conservatives in the east have built world-class technological metropolises like Baker City, while all the liberals in Portland are welfare-collecting trailer trash who contribute nothing to society. You never hear people say, "Ooh, what a great city Portland is," while most people think Baker is the archetypical modern urban center. Yet the leeches in Portland collect the fruits of Baker City's hard work and ingenuity.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I can understand WC's frustration. I mean, compare western Oregon to eastern Oregon. The conservatives in the east have built world-class technological metropolises like Baker City, while all the liberals in Portland are welfare-collecting trailer trash who contribute nothing to society. You never hear people say, "Ooh, what a great city Portland is," while most people think Baker is the archetypical modern urban center. Yet the leeches in Portland collect the fruits of Baker City's hard work and ingenuity.hmm. that's interesting. isn't oregon home of one of the biggest/well known socialist groups in the nation?

[Extra Stout]

hmm. that's interesting. isn't oregon home of one of the biggest/well known socialist groups in the nation?

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:oXFuHwY4d9e_gM:http://www.hep.uiuc.edu/home/g-gollin/redherring.gif

[Viva Las Espuelas]

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:oXFuHwY4d9e_gM:http://www.hep.uiuc.edu/home/g-gollin/redherring.gifit's a valid question. i'll look it up later.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I would say very few conservatives live off other people's taxes. They would be hypocrites.


Have any stats that break the party affiliation down?

I didn't think so. That's hard to find.



The few examples you can find I'll bet are short term situations that the programs were initially meant for.


Have any stats that break the party affiliation down?

I didn't think so. That's hard to find.


Thing is, a conservative will feel shamed living off of others, and find a job ASAP.


Have any stats that break the party affiliation down?

I didn't think so. That's hard to find.

[Wild Cobra]

I can understand WC's frustration. I mean, compare western Oregon to eastern Oregon. The conservatives in the east have built world-class technological metropolises like Baker City, while all the liberals in Portland are welfare-collecting trailer trash who contribute nothing to society. You never hear people say, "Ooh, what a great city Portland is," while most people think Baker is the archetypical modern urban center. Yet the leeches in Portland collect the fruits of Baker City's hard work and ingenuity.

You don't have a clue about what you're talking about, do you?

Portland used to be a far better city than it is now. It grew and prospered under conservatives in the past, and then it was Californicated. I remember Portland 40 years ago. So much has changed.

[ChumpDumper]

I noticed you didn't say anything about Baker City.

And ROFL at WC telling ES he doesn't have a clue.

[DarkReign]

lol blind fool you are. how much do you and your wife earn in a year total?


They may be red states, but I'll place good money that the ones you speek of vote democrat/liberal rather than conservative/republican.

Have any stats that break the party affiliation down?

I didn't think so. That's hard to find.

Nice generalization. Pure and simple here, WC.

The Republican base is the rural parts of the country. Fact.

Southern and rural states (Utah, Idaho, etc) typically vote Republican. Fact.

These same states receive more federal dollars than they contribute. Fact.

Grab your demographics and voting patterns to rationalize your way out of facts. Republicans, like any other political party worth their salt, are just as hypocritical and a drain on society at large than anyone else.

You'll never admit such a thing. Thats what makes you a blind partisan, thru and thru. Youre a loyal soldier of the RNC, thru thick and thin, even in the face of fact, research, reason and logic.

Thats why most here laugh when you post. Its not that we're all "libtards" banding together to take down the God-fearing constituency of the RNC, no that isnt it.

Its that you, in nearly every post in every topic on any range of issues that do not require an opinion, revel in your self-righteousness. That you would so willingly "die on the cross" so often has revoked your martyr role, IMO.

One more time, for the cheap seats...

http://www.bradblog.com/Images/RedStateWelfareQueens.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

I noticed you didn't say anything about Baker City.

Why should I. It's just a small rural city. Much like The Dalles, where I used to live.



And ROFL at WC telling ES he doesn't have a clue.

If you had any idea how idiotic his statement was...

Now I bet he was being sarcastic. If he believes any of what he said, he has allot to learn about Oregon.

[ChumpDumper]

Why should I. It's just a small rural city. Much like The Dalles, where I used to live.:lol



If you had any idea how idiotic his statement was...:lmao


Now I bet he was being sarcastic.:rollin

[Extra Stout]

You don't have a clue about what you're talking about, do you?

Portland used to be a far better city than it is now. It grew and prospered under conservatives in the past, and then it was Californicated. I remember Portland 40 years ago. So much has changed.
That's what I mean. Everyone knows that Portland has been in sharp economic decline for 40 years and that no value-adding professionals live there. That's why the city is so Democratic. They just want to live off the hard work done by the Republicans.

[clambake]

That's what I mean. Everyone knows that Portland has been in sharp economic decline for 40 years and that no value-adding professionals live there. That's why the city is so Democratic. They just want to live off the hard work done by the Republicans.

:lol

[The Reckoning]

obama voters = :tu
obama fanatics = :jack

[Wild Cobra]

Nice generalization. Pure and simple here, WC.

The Republican base is the rural parts of the country. Fact.

Southern and rural states (Utah, Idaho, etc) typically vote Republican. Fact.

These same states receive more federal dollars than they contribute. Fact.

http://www.bradblog.com/Images/RedStateWelfareQueens.jpg

I have a hard time taking you serious on this. When you first brough it up, your numbers included Medicare. Have you considered these new items you post also include Social Security, and many retired people move to Red states?

My Uncles did. Arizona and Nevada. Lots of retired people move to Red states because they are tired of the blues.

Levels of federal spending are not all welfare, and that was where we started.

[Wild Cobra]

DarkReign, please don’t try to change the argument once started. That’s where I have my biggest problem with random.

When we started the ‘welfare’ dialog, this is what you said:

First off, thats complete bullshit. The majority of welfare recipients in this country reside in...

duh duh duh

The rural South. Yes, Dixieland is populated by (to borrow Chris Rock) mayonnaise sandwich eating hillbillies who are as uneducated and worthless to society as any intercity fuckwad.


Moreover, take a loooog look at which states receive the most federal aid per capita, which states rely on the government more than others and who spends the most per capita on social services (Medicaid and Welfare).

All red states.
There are several reasons why this can be (Dixieland states.) There are larger segments of less qualified people for jobs, and probable more racism still in the south than other places. My initial take is that there are more people below the poverty levels than other states. A huge leftover from past racial practices. The implication I saw you bring in was that it was either republicans taking in the welfare, or the cause of the welfare state. I disagree with both those points.

You also speak then of per capita aid of social services. Medicare is largely given to seniors who through retirement, have earned it. I wouldn’t call all of it welfare. If you wish to argue the welfare aspect, then please keep it to what we consider actual welfare programs.

Then in your last post, you bring up state by state spending vs. revenue. More data, for even more purposes, skewing the data. Weren't you originally speaking of federal aid?

There are also military bases. A huge federal expenditure. More red state welcome military service than blue states. Even though California has a large number of bases, the military population is a smaller percentage of the state population than what red states hosting military bases enjoy as an average. What would the balance of spending vs. revenues be if we removed all spending from the calculation that is considered national rather than for the state? Like military bases and infrastructure projects. Keep it to just the social spending minus earned retirement?

I really think, if you wish to focus on what being a ‘welfare state’ means, we need to focus on only the welfare type money paid out. Not projects, retirement, etc.

I mentioned my uncles. The one who moved to Arizona came from California. He is now one of your Social Security recipients along with the countless millions in retirement cities like where he lives, Sun City West. My other uncle who moved to a red state for retirement is in Las Vegas, Nevada, after 30 years in the Air Force. He is collecting a military retirement and social security. How bad could the relocation of retirees skew your numbers? Aren’t the red states a more common place for middle-class retirees to move to than blue states?

[RandomGuy]

Liberals who want to be irresponsible and live off other people's hard work?

Wait, are we talking about liberals or corporate CEOs?

I'm confused.

[FromWayDowntown]

There are several reasons why this can be (Dixieland states.) There are larger segments of less qualified people for jobs, and probable more racism still in the south than other places. My initial take is that there are more people below the poverty levels than other states. A huge leftover from past racial practices.

True -- for instance, we all know that no sane person is visiting any black surgeon if there's a qualified white surgeon around.

Surgeons gotta get paid somehow.