Everyone will pay higher taxes

[Wild Cobra]

Stop and think for a moment. Any of you really believe the democrats will keep the Bush Tax Cuts in place? No matter what either candidate says, congress under the controll of democrats will let those cuts expire, without renewal. They will expire in a few years. There will be no 10% rate, but go back to 15%. Most those now in the 15% rate will increase to 28%. 28% to 31%, 31% to 36%, etc. The only way to insure this won't happen is to put republicans back in control of the senate this election cycle. They learned their lesson in 2006, and they can be voted out again.

Please consider that when you vote.

[peewee's lovechild]

Let's go with this noble approach:

Let's just not pay taxes at all.

That's what Joe The Plumber wants.
That's what Wild Cobra and those of his ilk want.

So, when our roads, schools, and social programs go to shit (of which we are all beneficiaries), we have no one to blame but ourselves.

You're an idiot.

[JoeChalupa]

I've considered the options and I'm voting for Barack. Please consider what happened during the Bush years and a republican congress. No thanks.

[boutons_]

If less taxes is the answer, then no taxes is WC's and pitbull bitch's "patriotic" nirvana.

dubya's tax cuts have done wonders over 7 years for household income (stagnant, declining) and jobs, haven't they?

WC is nothing but a walking talking-point shill for Repug scams to enrich the super-wealthy and the corps

[fyatuk]

Please consider what happened during the Bush years and a republican congress. No thanks.

Exactly why I'd vote for McCain. Since the Dems will be in control of Congress, I'd rather have anything other than a Dem in the White House.

The way things are going, the Dems will probably lose control of Congress within 6 years, though. You'd think the fact that Clinton went from Dem to Rep controlled Congress and Bush went from Rep to Dem controlled Congress would teach politicians the US wants moderates, but no, we keep getting people on the far side of their party (except McCain, though there are many other problemsn with him).

[cool hand]

If you become too much of a lemming to buisnesses you lose power...ask hoover. then you become communist.........ask FDR.

[peewee's lovechild]

I'd rather have anything other than a Dem in the White House.

Yea, because the 8 years of prosperity under Democrat Bill Clinton were so horrible when compared with the 8 years of disaster under Republican George W. Bush.

[JoeChalupa]

I'd rather have a democrat in the Oval Office than another Bush and that is exactly what you'll get with McCain. Make no mistake about it.

[Spurminator]

Stop and think for a moment. Any of you really believe the democrats will keep the Bush Tax Cuts in place? No matter what either candidate says, congress under the controll of democrats will let those cuts expire, without renewal. They will expire in a few years. There will be no 10% rate, but go back to 15%. Most those now in the 15% rate will increase to 28%. 28% to 31%, 31% to 36%, etc. The only way to insure this won't happen is to put republicans back in control of the senate this election cycle. They learned their lesson in 2006, and they can be voted out again.

Please consider that when you vote.


I can't imagine life without the Bush tax cuts. Then again, I'm only 6 years old.

[fyatuk]

Yea, because the 8 years of prosperity under Democrat Bill Clinton were so horrible when compared with the 8 years of disaster under Republican George W. Bush.

yeah, because comparing the term of a President who lost his Congress hold early and enjoyed the priviledge of a technology boom and no major conflicts to a President who had control of his congress through most of his term and presided over the worse economic crisis in decades early in his 1st term followed by 2 major conflicts is fair. (I could go on about how Clinton screwed up a crapload in economic policy that didn't hit for years, some of which still hasn't, but that's pointless).

As a side note, 6 of his 8 years, Clinton had a Republican controlled congress. Legislative and Executive branches being forced to compromise coincided with economic success. Why shouldn't I want to force compromise again after that kind of success?

[Wild Cobra]

Am I wrong, or has Obama gone silent on reducing the taxes for 95% of tax payers since he was elected?

[MannyIsGod]

You're always wrong.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

You're always wrong.

QFMFT

[Wild Cobra]

You're always wrong.

LOL...

How damn stupid are you.

Yes, i am wrong sometimes. Since when is sometimes... always...

Go away you fucking idiot.

Fucking troll.

There is a forum for you, you know...

[xrayzebra]

WC, Obama is having second thoughts on lots of things. The stuff hit the fan and
it is going to be his game to try and fix it, along with Pelosi and Reid.

If he listens to his economist I think he will keep things are they are and possibly
cut taxes some. May be I live in a fantasy world. But he has got to do something
to get the economy back on its feet.

[Anti.Hero]

He'll do whatever it takes to get the economy back on track so he can finally raise his precious taxes

:lol

We finally found the carrot for these jackasses.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL...

How damn stupid are you.

Yes, i am wrong sometimes. Since when is sometimes... always...

Go away you fucking idiot.

Fucking troll.

There is a forum for you, you know...

Sometimes is always when the post is one of yours because they're always sometimes wrong.

In other words, you're never sometimes right.

[Wild Cobra]

WC, Obama is having second thoughts on lots of things. The stuff hit the fan and
it is going to be his game to try and fix it, along with Pelosi and Reid.

If he listens to his economist I think he will keep things are they are and possibly
cut taxes some. May be I live in a fantasy world. But he has got to do something
to get the economy back on its feet.
I think the best thing he can do is nothing, except maybe government loans. No bailouts. They just prolong the agony.

I always knew he would see things from a different perspective if he was elected. I just hope he is intelligent enough to forget his leftist promises, and change the policies he promised.

Damn... I used the words hope and change again... It is contageous...

[ChumpDumper]

So the tax cut for the 95% was a leftist promise.

And had you been paying attention you would know what Obama is considering concerning taxes.

[MannyIsGod]

I think the best thing he can do is nothing, except maybe government loans. No bailouts. They just prolong the agony.

I always knew he would see things from a different perspective if he was elected. I just hope he is intelligent enough to forget his leftist promises, and change the policies he promised.

Damn... I used the words hope and change again... It is contageous...

WTF do you think bailouts are? This is why you're always wrong. God damn you're dumb.

[xrayzebra]

So the tax cut for the 95% was a leftist promise.

And had you been paying attention you would know what Obama is considering concerning taxes.

Thank you chump for your brilliant observation. It was a leftest promise.
Many are wondering how he was going to do this feat, since about half
that many pay any federal income tax.

From which perspective are we suppose to "listen" to Obama concerning
taxes. Since he has changed his stance several times.

[ChumpDumper]

Thank you chump for your brilliant observation. It was a leftest promise.Repeat: Tax cuts are leftist promises


From which perspective are we suppose to "listen" to Obama concerning
taxes. Since he has changed his stance several times.You always listen from the idiot perspective. You never change.

[xrayzebra]

Repeat: Tax cuts are leftist promises

You always listen from the idiot perspective. You never change.

Much like you. Takes one to know one. Idiot!:lol

[ChumpDumper]

So you guys seriously don't know what is currently being considered regarding taxes?

[Extra Stout]

Obama is considering keeping the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy at least until the economy turns around, presumably because Keynesian orthodoxy discourages raising taxes in a recession.

I think it is a leftist plot to butter us up.

[ChumpDumper]

Well I knew you were aware what was happening.

[Oh, Gee!!]

flip-flopper

[ChumpDumper]

Obama is considering keeping the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy at least until the economy turns around, presumably because Keynesian orthodoxy discourages raising taxes in a recession.

I think it is a leftist plot to butter us up.So no one will pay higher taxes.

Another quality Wild Cobra thread.

[Extra Stout]

So no one will pay higher taxes.

Another quality Wild Cobra thread.
But by making people think the rich would pay higher taxes, Obama caused the recession, which was all a ploy to implement socialism.

[doobs]

My view of Obama has changed over the last several weeks. I, for one, welcome his reluctance to raise taxes in a recession. This guy is smart enough--and scared enough--to realize that any substantial economic changes implemented during his first two years will give him ownership over the economy. He doesn't want to risk losing Congress to the Republicans in 2010.

That is, Obama doesn't seem to be interested in pushing his leftist agenda right away. He seems to be trying to lay the foundation for a long-term, durable Democratic majority. He's more Clinton that Carter, and for that I'm grateful.

Assuming Obama is the man that I think he is, he probably hopes that when the economy recovers--which it will--he'll be able to just let the Bush tax cuts expire and declare victory. Couple that with the presumably peaceful withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, I bet Obama will be a fairly popular president poised to win reelection in 2012.

His main challenge will be to prevent foreign policy and national security concerns from making people miss the relative safety under George Bush. Obama campaigned hard on promises to withdraw from Iraq, to close Guantanamo, and to speak with our enemies, like Iran--all of which seem to be popular with the voters. What if Iran develops and successfully tests a nuclear weapon before 2012? What if we withdraw from Iraq too soon and a civil war erupts and puts the world's oil supply at risk? What if we experience a catastrophic terrorist attack in New York or LA or DC? This is Obama's main vulnerability, politically.

[boutons_]

"relative safety under George Bush."

dubya's WTC, Iraq, Afghanistan disasters made the USA safer?

"puts the world's oil supply at risk"

The world already survived having dubya's war-for-oil shutdown a lot of Iraq's oil.

The heavy US occupation of adjacent nearby Gulf states, plus the nearby Navy would very probably contain the inevitable civil-war-for-oil in Iraq.

"What if we experience a catastrophic terrorist attack in New York or LA or DC? This is Obama's main vulnerability, politically."

We already had one in NYC, and the US gave dubya a pass on it. Why would the USA not give Obama a pass if DUBYA's police state measures fail to stop another attack? (The US knew about the Mumbai attack, told India, but still the attack occurred. the dubya WH was told about the "planes into buildings" chatter, but dubya went on vacation, his NatSec people did nothing, as even the wimpy, circumscribed 9/11 Commission pointed out.

Periods of high US taxes have been periods of high investment in the Real Economy with ensuing growth in wealth and productivity.

Low taxes make money available ($800B just from dubya's estate tax cuts) for chasing high returns via leveraging, speculaton, private equity/hedge funds in the non-Real Economy, like in bubbles such as Internet, housing, commodity bubbles, the "financial instrument" bubbles like MBS, CDO, CDS.

iow, you can't really trust the capitalists with $Ts of unregulated funds because they fuck us all up every time. Never fails.

But we hear the dead-end, dead-wrong conservatives saying capitalists and free-markets allot capital better than the govt. Go Fuck All Y'all

[Wild Cobra]

So the tax cut for the 95% was a leftist promise.


Repeat: Tax cuts are leftist promises

That's right. Squirm when you are caught, change your words.

The first one as a whole is what I was referring to, and we have discussed it enough that you know I meant the 95% part is included.

95% of the people cannot get a federal income tax cut because only about 60% pay any federal taxes by the end of the tax filing, adjustments, refunds, etc.

A true tax cut is what conservatives want and liberals try to stop. Liberals want to redistribute wealth, which is what happens when you find a way to introduce more large tax credits. In reality, it's only a tax cut for those who still pay taxes, or take their balance to zero. A true tax cut doesn't benefit the 40%, which liberals want to give them more money, effectively buying their votes in the future!

[ChumpDumper]

That's right. Squirm when you are caught, change your words.What are you even talking about?

You said everyone will pay higher taxes.

But now it looks like no one will pay higher taxes.

You're wrong.

You are trying to squirm out of being wrong by changing the subject of your own thread.

That's funny.