Laurence Frank...

[Duff McCartney]

What a pussy...

I heard on KSAT that the Nets filed a grievance to the NBA because of Bruce Bowen.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Who's Lawrence Frank?

[TwoHandJam]

I watched that play over and over and there was no foul play. GMAFB.

Who takes Lawrence Frank seriously anyways? He looks like he got rejected as a munchkin extra in a low bugdet Wizard of Oz.

[GoSpurs21]

you know that Opie guy who coaches the NJ pussies

[Walton Buys Off Me]

you know that Opie guy who coaches the NJ pussies

My point excatly.

[T Park]

What a fuckin little jackass.

I shouldve punched his lights out at the Summer League when I had the chance

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Some people step up to the challenge. Some people act like a whiny little bitch. Lawrence Frank and Vince Carter definitely are part of the latter.

[adidas11]

Vince Carter > Manu

[T Park]

Someone oughtta tell

blanka de pequito that he needs to cerrado la boca and sit the fuck down.

[T Park]

Spurs > Lakers


STFU.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Vince Carter < Manu.

Sorry. One guy has an NBA title, a World Championship, a gold medal, and shows up in the post-season. The other guy has quit on his team and been called out by Charles Oakley in the post-season.

This isn't even a debate. Take your meaningless February stat lines and shove them up your trolling ass.

[ZStomp]

Vince Carter > Manu


That's probably true. But I would still rather have Manu.

[SpursChampsIII]

Vince Carter > Manu

Great post, Laker bitch.

Lottery = Lakers. Hurts, don't it?

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Hook Dem]

Laurence Frank>adidas11. Both are bitches!

[xcoriate]

Vince Carter < Manu.

Sorry. One guy has an NBA title, a World Championship, a gold medal, and shows up in the post-season. The other guy has quit on his team and been called out by Charles Oakley in the post-season.

This isn't even a debate. Take your meaningless February stat lines and shove them up your trolling ass.

:lmao SERVED!!!

[bigjosh7]

lakers still suck!!



go spurs go

[texbumTHElife]

Ok even if it was a foul..... who the hell files greivances over missed foul calls? If every coach did that the NBA wouldnt have the money to employ people to respond to all the complaints.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Doesn't Vince Carter have a gold medal fromt he 2000 olympics?

Manu still > Carter

[Taco]

Vince Carter > Manu

Vince Carter - Half Man, Half a season :lol

[boutons]

This is probably just team politics for domestic consumption, Frank publicly standing up for his main offensive weapon who blew a big game that they had a good chance of winning, but who might help him win enough games to keep his coaching job a bit longer.

[Solid D]

If this were the old days of the HemisFair Arena, Larry Frank and Vince Carter would have plenty in store for them from the Baseline Bums, etc. when they play the Spurs in San Antonio (Tues., March 8).

Maybe a "half-man" Pink pinata for Vince or posters with a baby-faced Lawrence holding a bottle in a crib. Those are the days that caused Pat Riley, Larry Brown, Jerry Sloan and their teams much consternation. :hat

[MosesGuthrie]

Vince Carter > Manu

Manu doesn't bitch and moan.


Carter should have been traded to NY.....the Liberty. :cry

[picnroll]

Nuggets coach Karl (a coach who actually has a pair) sees himself in Spurs' Bowen

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BY DAVE D'ALESSANDRO
Star-Ledger Staff

Roughly 30 years and 30 pounds ago, George Karl was one of the most annoying defenders in basketball, an inexhaustible pest who played so hard and defended so persistently he was known as "the flea."

So admittedly, Bruce Bowen is Karl's kind of player.

But the Denver coach understands why the Nets could be miffed by Bowen's tactics Friday night, when the Spurs swingman effectively took Vince Carter out of the game to spark a comeback.

"Bruce is good. I love his tricks, man -- he reminds me of me a little bit," Karl said before the Nets' 94-79 victory over the Nuggets last night.

"But you're getting into a really tough area. I don't think Bruce Bowen's a dirty player. He's a competitor, he's an angry defensive competitor who makes his living covering people and getting into people's heads.

"He's pushing the line all the time, some people think he crosses the line. I personally don't think he does. I just think he pushes it to the point where it becomes annoying. That's usually the sign of a great defensive player, a guy that gets annoying." Eventually, Karl got to the point: Whether Bowen's final "tactic" was a dirty play is in the eye of the beholder.
"I think Bruce crosses the line if he's playing against me," Karl said. "If he plays for me he doesn't cross the line."

http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/ind...36148249840.xml

[Solid D]

Nice article, picnroll. Karl was a firey competitor when with the Spurs.

http://www.remembertheaba.com/SanAntonioMaterial/KarlDribbleCalvinNiceClose.jpg

[Ballcox]

F Lawerence Frank, the guy looks like he should be doing fluff work on gay porn films! And Vince is just the same dumbass he's always been, lets his emotions get in the way of the team concept, all that for a play that wasn't dirty in any way, amazing.

respect the 'fro :fro

[sickdsm]

Some people act like a whiny little bitch.

Youre right, accusing a guy shooting a jump shot of tripping you bc youre in the middle of controversy is a whiny little bitch. Bowen making that statement reminds me of the Seinfeld episode of the loogie, the one where the spit paused, in mid air mind you, and proceeded to make a left turn.


Maybe the Spurs should file one back, because you know, that was dirty of Carter trying to trip vince while he was shooting his jump shot.

[Medvedenko]

Bowen is the bitch..that's the bottom line. I cringe every time he's on the court when he's gaurding the other elite players. Pop and Bowen know exactly what to do in this situation...bait and disrupt the other players with cheap shots, clutching, and grabbing. Oh, he also lunges under a shooter possibly picking up a foul, but having the other player land on his feet, potentially hurting their ankle. Of course spurs fans love this...as if Bowen is out...as long as he takes out the other teams elite player...it's a fair trade...yeah right. I'm Canadian so I watch a lot of hockey...there's a player on each team that does what Bowen does..and he's called a goon. Oh, and if said Goon starts with the elite players...well let's say that he'll think twice before doing it the next time. That's the difference in the NBA, Bowen is a hard nose defender..what he makes up in talent, quickness and poise, he brings bullshit plays that hurt and potentially injure the other players. I've seen it too many times....Oh, but Bowen just puts out his hands in protest.."What did I do"...thanks Bowen...Carter was going off...so what does Pop do....get Bowen to draw another T on Carter...too bad Carter's such a bitch that he bought it...but that's the game...Spurs win.

[picnroll]

Remind me again Medvedenko, with all these incredible life endagering actions that Bowen has been committing for nine NBA seasons how many players has he injured. Let's see we have Half Man Half a Season on the IR for six games with a sprained ankle and ......

Your turn numbnuts.

[FromWayDowntown]

I've noticed the league taking account of Bowen's so-called dirty play.

Let's see, last 3 1/2 seasons (all in San Antonio), Bruce Bowen has . . . well . . . uh . . . wait this can't be right . . . well, he has, um, not been suspended by the NBA at any point in time. You'd think that if he was so consistently "dirty" that he'd draw a suspension or two somewhere along the way. Clearly, the league is concerned with the guy's dirty play.

[picnroll]

I'm shocked to find that, with Medvedenko's outstanding prosecutorial summation of the dangers of Bowen, I cannot find a single flagrant two foul that Bowen has ever been assessed. Surely this is a mistake.

Help me out numbnuts.

[Medvedenko]

I haven't called him dirty once...I just don't like his game....I would love him if he was on my team....but I see the shit that he gets away with...and it's sad...as his body starts to breakdown...you'll see his defensive "techniques" increase. Look the point is this...Carter was going off...so let's see if I can get him out of the game. Is it right...not if you're a Nets fan...but if you're the spurs you love it. If I was a Net player...I would take a suspension and let Bowen no what's up.

[picnroll]

Being a little disingenuous aren't we Medvedenko. You said Bowen was a goon. Fortson is a goon. Madsen is a goon. These are guys by their play, that I fear injury to Spurs players from every time they're on the floor together and these guys have a record to prove it. With Bowen it's just a bunch of pansies whining because they don't get to push off, clear out unimpeded, and coaches and GMs thinking if they complain enough the refs might give them an edge.

[fonzy16]

Everyone would love to have bowen on his team. But since they dont, he's dirty.

[Medvedenko]

I appreciate the discussion, as I thought this would be a thread bashing the Lakers....glad it isn't. It's clearly my disdain for Bowen and his tactics....gratned he doesn't get the T's or the flagrant...because he's crafty but his role is pretty defined, and it's goon ville.

[Ballcox]

I appreciate the discussion, as I thought this would be a thread bashing the Lakers....glad it isn't. It's clearly my disdain for Bowen and his tactics....gratned he doesn't get the T's or the flagrant...because he's crafty but his role is pretty defined, and it's goon ville.


Flame on brother, flame on-you're burning up! :lol :lol :lol

respect the 'fro :fro

[picnroll]

I appreciate the discussion, as I thought this would be a thread bashing the Lakers ...
Lottery teams don't interest me.

[Spurminator]

I'm very happy this has happened. This will give Bowen the opportunity of being publically vindicated by the NBA. Without this kind of further analysis, most NBA fans would have accepted VC's accusations without any skepticism... Now they will be forced to reconsider once the NBA finds there was no wrongdoing on Bowen's part.

Thanks Larry.

[Useruser666]

Bowen should not be allowed to use his powers of mind control to force other players in confronting him and there by picking up technical fouls or ejections. Mind control has no place on the baskteball court.

[MosesGuthrie]

Being a hockey fan Med, you should know the word "chippy" Bowen is chippy. He doesn't lay people out or slam you to the floor a'la Shaq but he is an irritant. He is going to stretch the rules as far as he can without breaking them, much lot a lot of players in the NBA. One thing Bowen doesn't do, which again as a hockey fan you should apprieciate, is bitch. He leaves it all on the court. In hockey you keep it on the ice...well, that is when they are on the ice. :)

[skillz]

does anyone know where i could see clips of what happened in the nets game between bowen and vincent?

[Medvedenko]

Lottery teams don't interest you Pick&Roll...let's not get into the discussion of Franchises...please....
Anyways...Bowen is chippy, I would love him on my team...I just think he needs to get laid out a few times in a game to keep him honest. I have no problem with hard fouls...I do with a player consistenly trying to bait you for T's. Like I said earlier...I would take Bowen for Carter any day if I was a spurs fan....He's got a defined role...you don't see Duncan or Parker acting like that.

[picnroll]

Lottery teams don't interest you Pick&Roll...let's not get into the discussion of Franchises...please....

I'm not interested in history just '04-'05. When the Lakers don't suck come back and tell us about it.


...I just think he needs to get laid out a few times in a game to keep him honest.
You must have never watched a Spurs game. He and MAnu frequently get knocked ass over teacup by picks, often moving with shoulders lowered. If Vincey played D and got hit with a few of those he'd probably have a nervous breakdown.


...you don't see Duncan or Parker acting like that.
You don't see Duncan and Parker getting thrown out of games like dumbasses when they get fouled hard either.

[Medvedenko]

It's Bowen's role to be a pest....nothing more nothing less. That's his game...and he's only has a few more years before his physical state starts to deterioate.

[wildbill2u]

Ok even if it was a foul..... who the hell files greivances over missed foul calls? If every coach did that the NBA wouldnt have the money to employ people to respond to all the complaints.

I think this greivance is something more than about one foul call. If they get enough folks stirred up about Bowen being a 'dirty' player, then he's going to get a lot more foul calls as the officials are going to be looking at him closer.

This will reduce his effectiveness on defense over the long haul--and you can bet that our rivals in the West and the East coast elites want to do just that.

[T Park]

I would take a suspension and let Bowen no what's up


hey jackass the word is know.

Like Moot. and you say mute.


if your gonna rip someone learn the english language douschebag.

[Medvedenko]

Thanks TPark....typing so quickly you tend to forget...but I guess you don't have any game, so this insult is pretty standard stuff from a hack like you...oh and
what the hell is a "douschebag" It's Douche bag...two words, like fuck head.

[T Park]

or your case,

"Lottery bound"

[Medvedenko]

Good one....keep it up buddy...

[ALVAREZ6]

It's Bowen's role to be a pest....nothing more nothing less. That's his game...and he's only has a few more years before his physical state starts to deterioate.
What's wrong with being a pest, it's very effective as you can see.

[ALVAREZ6]

Medvedenko, what do you encourage instead of pests?

Scrubby D players? Being a pest is the best possible way you can play defense, so I don't see what's so upsetting to you...or are you jealous because the Lakers don't have one?

Actually they do, Jack Nicholson...that bastard.

[SpursWoman]

if your gonna rip someone learn the english language douschebag.


I love irony. :)

[T Park]

How did I know she would come in here.......

[sickdsm]

Madsen is more like Torii Hunter than Bowen or Fortson. Madsen doesn't do questionable plays, he just plays all out. More often than not he's the one with black eyes, sprain wrists, broken bones. The way he plays Shaq is a perfect example. That's an insult to Mark to compare him to Fortson. TJ Fords injury had NOTHING to do with mark madsen. He did nothing wrong there.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao @ this thread.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I appreciate the discussion, as I thought this would be a thread bashing the Lakers

Hey Medvedumbass.

The thread is titled "Laurence Frank". Where the fuck do you get that it would be about the Lakers from? I know this will come as a shock to you, but the world doesn't revolve around your beloved .500 team these days.

[td4mvp21]

^THANK YOU

i wish people would just quit calling Bowen a sissy. if their so manly and a good player, why cant they overcome his defense instead of whining like a girl?

[GoSpurs21]

VC is a pussy that can't even play a full season
Manu is a warrior that gets hammered and doesnt whine just bounces back and takes it right back at the defense for more punishment.

No way does half-man half season even come close to being half the warrior Ginobili is.

VC is half-man half game, his defense sucks while Ginobili can play physical at both ends.

In no way what so ever is VC better than Manu.

Hey lakers fans why aren't you saying Ira Newble is dirty, he placed his foot underneth Kobe. Because its not a dirty play dumbshit, it just fucking happens in a hotly contested game.

[milkyway21]

...that was dirty of Carter trying to trip vince while he was shooting his jump shot. :eyebrows

are you sick dsm?