Palin: "I Love Visiting "Pro-America" Areas

[JoeChalupa]

What the....is she saying there parts of America that are more American than others!?!? How dare she belittle parts of America!!


The McCain campaign is seeking to clarify a remark reported from a Sarah Palin fundraiser in North Carolina yesterday in which the Alaska Governor declared that she loved to visit the "pro-America" areas of the country -- implying, implicitly, that there were some parts of the United States she viewed as not pro-America. The reporter who broke the story, the Washington Post's Juliet Eilperin, sends over the following, extended quote from a more detailed version of the pool report.

"We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. We believe" -- here the audience interrupted Palin with applause and cheers -- "We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation. This is where we find the kindness and the goodness and the courage of everyday Americans. Those who are running our factories and teaching our kids and growing our food and are fighting our wars for us. Those who are protecting us in uniform. Those who are protecting the virtues of freedom."


link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/palin-clarifies-what-part_n_135641.html)

[whottt]

Basically means she likes areas that are low on Democrats. Just in case you need it explained.

Democrats = Anti-American, whether they realize it, or not.

[DarrinS]

I guess she just prefers areas where she hasn't been threatened with gang rape.

[clambake]

would wanting to secede from the nation be anti-american?

[ElNono]

Basically means she likes areas that are low on Democrats. Just in case you need it explained.

Democrats = Anti-American, whether they realize it, or not.

Is Todd Palin Anti-American? Question.

[JoeChalupa]

Basically means she likes areas that are low on Democrats. Just in case you need it explained.

Democrats = Anti-American, whether they realize it, or not.

Your post alone is Anti-American. Tell that to all the democrats who have served and are serving in our Armed Forces right now. To the democrat who has been laid off from his job, or the democrat who has lost their 401K or lost their homes. Yeah, that is really showing your support and a spit in their faces. You and Sarah should be proud.

[romad_20]

Basically means she likes areas that are low on Democrats. Just in case you need it explained.

Democrats = Anti-American, whether they realize it, or not.

You're a fucking retard. No mincing of words.

[ChumpDumper]

All that drug use has filled whottt with hatred for Americans.

[JoeChalupa]

But I'd still party with Whottt.

[ChumpDumper]

Any major speeches planned in Huntsville, Alabama?

[fyatuk]

would wanting to secede from the nation be anti-american?

If it is, there's a lot of places that are anti-american. There's been recent fairly solid groups pushing secession not only in Alaska, but in New Hampshire, Texas (there's always at least one group in Texas), and California, at least. There's also been many fun instances of townships and counties declairing independence from the states.

[JoeChalupa]

If it is, there's a lot of places that are anti-american. There's been recent fairly solid groups pushing secession not only in Alaska, but in New Hampshire, Texas (there's always at least one group in Texas), and California, at least. There's also been many fun instances of townships and counties declairing independence from the states.

Those bastards!!! :cuss

[Oh, Gee!!]

pretty dumb thing to say when you're counting on votes from people living in un-America.

[boutons_]

pitbull bitch is pandering the choir, rousing her rabble, another day wasted.

[Spurminator]

This is a stretch.

[01.20.09]

This is a stretch.

No it is not. Those are her words coming out her mouth and to say that she saying that there are parts of the Country that are not as Pro-American. If you want to talk about stretching you need to look at her comments about Obama.

[Spurminator]

She's pandering to her audience and Middle America. In this context, the opposite of "pro-America" is not "anti-America." At worst, she's just saying they're more pro-America than other areas. BFD.

[Oh, Gee!!]

No it is not. Those are her words coming out her mouth and to say that she saying that there are parts of the Country that are not as Pro-American. If you want to talk about stretching you need to look at her comments about Obama.

don't mind chumpdumper---he tries to act all cool and aloof.

[Spurminator]

That was me acting cool and aloof this time.

[01.20.09]

She's pandering to her audience and Middle America. In this context, the opposite of "pro-America" is not "anti-America." At worst, she's just saying they're more pro-America than other areas. BFD.

Remember that when republicans make a BFD about a comment Obama makes.

[ChumpDumper]

That was me acting cool and aloof this time.Exactly. I act like a jerk all the time.

[Anti.Hero]

If it is, there's a lot of places that are anti-american. There's been recent fairly solid groups pushing secession not only in Alaska, but in New Hampshire, Texas (there's always at least one group in Texas), and California, at least. There's also been many fun instances of townships and counties declairing independence from the states.

Can you blame those in Cali? Honestly? :lol

[G-Nob]

She is such a fucking dumbass.

[bobbyjoe]

Spin it all you want, but there's clearly a lot of hateful, arrogant, and ignorant undertones in Palin's rantings.

[Mr. Peabody]

pretty dumb thing to say when you're counting on votes from people living in un-America.

Well....she's a pretty dumb candidate....:toast

[Spurminator]

Remember that when republicans make a BFD about a comment Obama makes.

Gee, thanks for the advice. (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2761172&postcount=26)

[The Franchise]

The bitch is just dumb.

[baseline bum]

Basically means she likes areas that are low on Democrats. Just in case you need it explained.

Democrats = Anti-American, whether they realize it, or not.

No,

Patriot Act = Anti-American
Suspending the Geneva Convention = Anti-American

[bobbyjoe]

Well....she's a pretty dumb candidate....:toast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qko5MAf-qQk&feature=related

LOL!

[Findog]

Basically means she likes areas that are low on Democrats. Just in case you need it explained.

Democrats = Anti-American, whether they realize it, or not.

It will be such a sublime joy to watch identity politics fail on November 4th.

[whottt]

would wanting to secede from the nation be anti-american?



Depends on why they secede...just in general, no.




Does anyone really give a shit if Alaska secedes outside of it's mineral wealth?

[whottt]

Suspending the Geneva Convention = Anti-American


Biggest load of crap ever...if they don't clearly mark themselves as an enemy army, the Geneva Convention isn't supposed to apply to them. Revisionism at it's finest...

If they want to mark themselves clearly as enemy combatants so we can exterminate them I am all for the survivors getting the protections of the Geneva Convention...

If they want to masquerade as civilians, deliberately putting true civilians at risk, and in some cases directly targeting them...I am for inflicting as much pain and suffering upon them as is humanly possible, and then executing them.


I am in favor of video taping it just so they'll know exactly what happens to enemy combatants that refuse to clearly mark themselves.


The Geneva Convention was never intended to protect spies or guerillas. It was meant to protect those that fight according to a certain set of rules.

[Tully365]

would wanting to secede from the nation be anti-american?


Depends on why they secede...just in general, no.

Does anyone really give a shit if Alaska secedes outside of it's mineral wealth?

I don't think you'd be as understanding if the spouses of the governors from New York or California joined secession groups.

Secession, by definition, is "anti" whatever it is the group wants to secede from.... so if a state wants to no longer be a part of the United States of America, then they are against being included in the union of states generally known as Americans, and are plainly and simply anti-american.

[Oh, Gee!!]

That was me acting cool and aloof this time.

I can't tell you two apart sometimes, what with the economy being in such bad shape and all.

[whottt]

I don't think you'd be as understanding if the spouses of the governors from New York or California joined secession groups.

On the contrary...I'd consider them American Heroes...especially if they were successful in getting CA or NY to secede.

They're why states like Alaska want to secede.




Secession, by definition, is "anti" whatever it is the group wants to secede from....

And the degreee of offensiveness depends on what they're seceding from.




so if a state wants to no longer be a part of the United States of America, then they are against being included in the union of states generally known as Americans, and are plainly and simply anti-american.

Not of if the Union was becoming under control of states filled with those that are anti-American.


You know...like how all those Democrats were threatening to secede..er... leave the states if Bush had won?

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

whottt has become a talkingpointsbot.

:toast

[whottt]

Your post alone is Anti-American. Tell that to all the democrats who have served and are serving in our Armed Forces right now. To the democrat who has been laid off from his job, or the democrat who has lost their 401K or lost their homes. Yeah, that is really showing your support and a spit in their faces. You and Sarah should be proud.

I'll tell it to anyone that supports a candidate whose agenda runs in direct contrast to the one this country was founded on...

This country wasn't founded on socialism and an uber power government that wipes everyones ass.

I don't want that...

[ElNono]

:lol

whottt has become a talkingpointsbot.

:toast

Not to mention he brings terrible points... Does serving for your country and being Democrat still qualify you as Anti-American?

O RLY?

[whottt]

If Chump were to secede to China or Cuba and start walking the walk he'd have more credibility.

[ChumpDumper]

If Chump were to secede to China or Cuba and start walking the walk he'd have more credibility.If you hadn't become a shell of the poster you once were because you fell in love with a politician, you'd have more credibility.

[whottt]

If you hadn't become a shell of the poster you once were because you fell in love with a politician, you'd have more credibility.

I'll believe you aren't a hypocrite first time you call out an Obama sucker...

[ChumpDumper]

There are many Obama suckers here. It's pretty evident.

I hereby call them all out.

[whottt]

And voter fraud? You think it's a topic to be smug about it...

[Oh, Gee!!]

And voter fraud? You think it's a topic to be smug about it...

Voter fraud? The only fraud commited was by was some employees trying to get extra bucks by registering fake people. ACORN flagged the false registrations as they are supposed to do by law.

edit: you jackass!

[ChumpDumper]

And voter fraud? You think it's a topic to be smug about it...I'm smug about knowing the difference between actual vote fraud and voter registration fraud. It's comforting to know I'm that much smarter than you, because you are impressively stupid when it comes to that.

You never told us all how the Dallas Cowboys were going to vote in Nevada.

Please tell us now.

[ElNono]

And voter fraud? You think it's a topic to be smug about it...

How about Palin being completely over her head? You think it's a topic to be smug about it...

[hitmanyr2k]

And voter fraud? You think it's a topic to be smug about it...

Yeah, Peter Rabbit is really going to show up to vote. Shut the fuck up :lol You get dumber by the day.

[ChumpDumper]

How about Palin being completely over her head? You think it's a topic to be smug about it...Obama sucker!

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, Peter Rabbit is really going to show up to vote. Shut the fuck up :lol You get dumber by the day.Obama sucker!

[ElNono]

Obama sucker!

:lol

[baseline bum]

Biggest load of crap ever...if they don't clearly mark themselves as an enemy army, the Geneva Convention isn't supposed to apply to them. Revisionism at it's finest...

If they want to mark themselves clearly as enemy combatants so we can exterminate them I am all for the survivors getting the protections of the Geneva Convention...

If they want to masquerade as civilians, deliberately putting true civilians at risk, and in some cases directly targeting them...I am for inflicting as much pain and suffering upon them as is humanly possible, and then executing them.


I am in favor of video taping it just so they'll know exactly what happens to enemy combatants that refuse to clearly mark themselves.


The Geneva Convention was never intended to protect spies or guerillas. It was meant to protect those that fight according to a certain set of rules.

You should be a lobbyist the way you spin every single thing you say in this forum. If you advocate torturing others, then you advocate your own being tortured by others. I doubt you think McCain being tortured was justified, and I hope no one here does either.

[ChumpDumper]

Geneva sucker!

[whottt]

You should be a lobbyist the way you spin every single thing you say in this forum. If you advocate torturing others, then you advocate your own being tortured by others. I doubt you think McCain being tortured was justified, and I hope no one here does either.

Um...McCain was clearly marked as an enemy combatant and he was an official party of the conflict.

I didn't spin anything...

Article 4 of the Geneva Convention:





A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:

1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.

2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:

(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;

(c) That of carrying arms openly;

(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

3. Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.

4. Persons who accompany the armed forces without actually being members thereof, such as civilian members of military aircraft crews, war correspondents, supply contractors, members of labour units or of services responsible for the welfare of the armed forces, provided that they have received authorization from the armed forces which they accompany, who shall provide them for that purpose with an identity card similar to the annexed model.

5. Members of crews, including masters, pilots and apprentices, of the merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft of the Parties to the conflict, who do not benefit by more favourable treatment under any other provisions of international law.

6. Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.

B. The following shall likewise be treated as prisoners of war under the present Convention:

1. Persons belonging, or having belonged, to the armed forces of the occupied country, if the occupying Power considers it necessary by reason of such allegiance to intern them, even though it has originally liberated them while hostilities were going on outside the territory it occupies, in particular where such persons have made an unsuccessful attempt to rejoin the armed forces to which they belong and which are engaged in combat, or where they fail to comply with a summons made to them with a view to internment.

2. The persons belonging to one of the categories enumerated in the present Article, who have been received by neutral or non-belligerent Powers on their territory and whom these Powers are required to intern under international law, without prejudice to any more favourable treatment which these Powers may choose to give and with the exception of Articles 8, 10, 15, 30, fifth paragraph, 58-67, 92, 126 and, where diplomatic relations exist between the Parties to the conflict and the neutral or non-belligerent Power concerned, those Articles concerning the Protecting Power. Where such diplomatic relations exist, the Parties to a conflict on whom these persons depend shall be allowed to perform towards them the functions of a Protecting Power as provided in the present Convention, without prejudice to the functions which these Parties normally exercise in conformity with diplomatic and consular usage and treaties.

C. This Article shall in no way affect the status of medical personnel and chaplains as provided for in Article 33 of the present Convention.





PS: John McCain was

A. A member of an official party to the conflict.

B. Clearly marked as an enemy combatant by the plane and uniform he was wearing.

[whottt]

BTW, if you actually want to know why the Iraq War isn't an illegal occupation...be sure to let me know. You might be surprised to find out the truth.

[Purple & Gold]

:lol :lol whottt never ceases to amaze me. As a democrat and a veteran the Geneva Convention must always be followed under all circumstances. Whether they dressed as civilians or not it doesn't matter. Once they are captured they become POW's, whether the Bush Administration believes it or not. Denouncing protection under the Geneva Convention over technicalities is dangerous and puts American soldiers lives at risk. Something I am glad McCain agrees with Democrats in. Good to see that this bullshit torture of "enemy combatants" will be put to an end no matter who wins this election.

[Purple & Gold]

BTW, if you actually want to know why the Iraq War isn't an illegal occupation...be sure to let me know. You might be surprised to find out the truth.

Yes they broke the treaty so the war is not illegal. What's illegal is the fact that they lied to the public to sell their war. WMD's ring a bell??

[whottt]

:lol :lol whottt never ceases to amaze me. As a democrat and a veteran the Geneva Convention must always be followed under all circumstances. Whether they dressed as civilians or not it doesn't matter.

The fuck it doesn't.




Once they are captured they become POW's, whether the Bush Administration believes it or not. Denouncing protection under the Geneva Convention over technicalities is dangerous and puts American soldiers lives at risk.

:lmao yeah because the Fundamentalists won't behead them otherwise :lol



Something I am glad McCain agrees with Democrats in. Good to see that this bullshit torture of "enemy combatants" will be put to an end no matter who wins this election.

It's not going to be put to an end...it'll just be American troops completely adhering to the tenets of the Geneva Convention that are being tortured and murdered then...


And you? You'll be silent about it.

[Purple & Gold]

Basically means she likes areas that are low on Democrats. Just in case you need it explained.

Democrats = Anti-American, whether they realize it, or not.

:lmao :lmao you need more mushrooms

[ChumpDumper]

Two wrongs make a whottt.

[whottt]

Yes they broke the treaty so the war is not illegal.

The US had no treaty with the Iraqis.



What's illegal is the fact that they lied to the public to sell their war. WMD's ring a bell??

Would you like me to show you a list of the politicians claiming Saddam had WMD before Bush was even in office?

[Purple & Gold]

The fuck it doesn't.

Yes it should you non serving ass.


:lmao yeah because the Fundamentalists won't behead them otherwise :lol

If you think the United States only has 1 enemy or will never get in any other wars in the future then you're an idiot.


It's not going to be put to an end...it'll just be American troops completely adhering to the tenets of the Geneva Convention that are being tortured and murdered then...


And you? You'll be silent about it.

We are better than other countries when we take the high road and don't need to stoop to their level. The Geneva Convention must always be followed. BTW I fought for my country and my actions are louder than any empty words you have. What have you done to prove how American you are whottt?

[Purple & Gold]

The US had no treaty with the Iraqis.

Actually their was a treaty about having to let inspectors have full view of their Nuclear program.


Would you like me to show you a list of the politicians claiming Saddam had WMD before Bush was even in office?

I remember Colin Powell in front of the UN. I saw it on T.V. Microfilm and phone taps and all. So again where are the WMD's that the Bush Administration knew so much about.

[Purple & Gold]

Two wrongs make a whottt.

Exactly what it comes down to. Well they aren't following it!!! So we don't have to.

Give me a fucking break. This puts American soldiers at risk in all future wars.



Does whottt care so little about American soldiers??

[Ya Vez]

maybe she is talking about that area that mr. murtha called the racist part of Pennsylvania I mean talk about just flat out lying.... maybe it's the constant drum beat from the left that if you criticize lord obama.. you will dubbed a racist or be destroyed in the media... I mean they went so far as to call bill clinton a racist...

[Purple & Gold]

maybe she is talking about that area that mr. murtha called the racist part of Pennsylvania I mean talk about just flat out lying.... maybe it's the constant drum beat from the left that if you criticize lord obama.. you will dubbed a racist or be destroyed in the media... I mean they went so far as to call bill clinton a racist...

Many people voting for Obama are more voting pro Democrats and anti-Republican than anything. Not everybody is an Obama nuthugger.

[Purple & Gold]

And it was news to me that Democrats and liberals don't serve in the military. Or that states like Cali and New York don't have veterans. Very insightful.

[whottt]

If you think the United States only has 1 enemy or will never get in any other wars in the future then you're an idiot.


I doubt we'll ever get into a major extended conventional war again...because thanks to stupid fucking idiots like yourself...Guerilla Warfare is the way to beat us.


You don't give a fucking shit about what the other guys do...

You don't give a fuck about beating Isamic Fundamentalist..and you are too fucking stupid to understand how to do it.




We are better than other countries when we take the high road and don't need to stoop to their level.


What fucking arrogance...you mean like we were better than the Vietkong?

You mean like the British were better than the American Revolutionaries?

You mean like the Soviet Army was better than the Mujahadeen?

Stupid arrogant ass.



The Geneva Convention must always be followed.

You render the Geneva Convention meaningless when you apply to anyone.

And BTW stupid fuck...Article 4 clearly defines what a POW is...

Get your stupid fucking head out of your stupid fucking ass and read it...the entire section I posted is about POW's...

And nowhere in it is your interpretation backed up.



BTW I fought for my country and my actions are louder than any empty words you have.

And you fight against now...Benedict Arnold fought for his country too...





What have you done to prove how American you are whottt?


I support it, in a time of war. Unlike you who supports those that fight against it...whole heartedly.

[Ya Vez]

all I can say is .. I am glad I don't live in LA anymore... you have the very wealth libs.. glad they will finally have to pay up under obama... I am sure they are a bit pensive about paying more in taxes..

[whottt]

Many people voting for Obama are more voting pro Democrats and anti-Republican than anything. Not everybody is an Obama nuthugger.


Right...people that think massive Voter Fraud and raping the constitution is cute and no big deal also support Obama...


Good point.

[baseline bum]

LMAO @ whott complaining about guerilla war. Sounds like the British complaining about Washington not lining his troops up like gentlemen.

[whottt]

LMAO @ whott complaining about guerilla war. Sounds like the British complaining about Washington not lining his troops up like gentlemen.


^^^^ Starting to get it.


Here's a list of whottt's idiots:


1. The British thinking they were so superior to those backwards Colonists.

2. The Azteks that welcomed all those white people with the nifty trinkets.

Stupid fucks...


And nothing has changed...


The British still think they're superior to everyone.

And the decendants of the Azteks still don't know a fucking enemy when they see one.

[Purple & Gold]

I doubt we'll ever get into a major extended conventional war again...because thanks to stupid fucking idiots like yourself...Guerilla Warfare is the way to beat us.

:lol :lol Ohhh you don't?? And it's my fault?? Keep em coming whottt your ignorance is comical.


You don't give a fucking shit about what the other guys do...

You don't give a fuck about beating Isamic Fundamentalist..and you are too fucking stupid to understand how to do it.

So what other insight into my thoughts have your extended drug use given you?? Do tell. And tell us how to beat Islamic Fundamentalists whottt. Since you have it all figured out. Maybe you should apply for Secretary of Defense.


What fucking arrogance...you mean like we were better than the Vietkong?

You mean like the British were better than the American Revolutionaries?

You mean like the Soviet Army was better than the Mujahadeen?

Stupid arrogant ass.

What are you talking about?? You make no sense. We are better than other countries that torture others. Do you understand that??


You render the Geneva Convention meaningless when you apply to anyone.

WTF are you talking about?? Do you really believe what you say?? Or is Palin's hand up your ass moving your mouth for you.


And BTW stupid fuck...Article 4 clearly defines what a POW is...

Get your stupid fucking head out of your stupid fucking ass and read it...the entire section I posted is about POW's...

And nowhere in it is your interpretation backed up.

Again answer me how we can be at war and not have prisoners of war?? They are POW's get it through your thick skull. The world defines them as POW's they deserve the rights the Geneva Convention gives them.


And you fight against now...Benedict Arnold fought for his country too...

:lol :lol At another non ever fighting Repug calling another veteran a traitor because they believe in the Geneva Convention and believe going to Iraq was the wrong thing to do. LMAO @ the irony.


I support it, in a time of war. Unlike you who supports those that fight against it...whole heartedly.

Wow whottt how great of you. Maybe they can put up a statue of you in your home town. The great whottt and how he supported his country by advocating war. :lmao :lmao

Your a sorry excuse for a person. Easy to advocate war when it ain't your ass on the line. And calling everybody that doesn't agree with you supporting the enemy whether they actually served for their country or not. What a great person and patriot you are whottt.

[whottt]

Actually their was a treaty about having to let inspectors have full view of their Nuclear program.

Not with the US there wasn't. Not that Saddam's actions wouldn't have broken any such treaty a dozen times over anyway.




I remember Colin Powell in front of the UN. I saw it on T.V. Microfilm and phone taps and all. So again where are the WMD's that the Bush Administration knew so much about.


A. They didn't need a justification to go into Iraq.

B. Our entire government was saying the same thing...then people started trying to use the situation for their own political gain.

[Purple & Gold]

all I can say is .. I am glad I don't live in LA anymore... you have the very wealth libs.. glad they will finally have to pay up under obama... I am sure they are a bit pensive about paying more in taxes..

L.A. is a much better place since you left :toast

[Purple & Gold]

Not with the US there wasn't. Not that Saddam's actions wouldn't have broken any such treaty a dozen times over anyway.

They broke a treaty signed after the first Iraq war.


A. They didn't need a justification to go into Iraq.

B. Our entire government was saying the same thing...then people started trying to use the situation for their own political gain.

So why did they lie to the public?? Doesn't that concern you whottt??

[Purple & Gold]

^^^^ Starting to get it.


Here's a list of whottt's idiots:


1. The British thinking they were so superior to those backwards Colonists.

2. The Azteks that welcomed all those white people with the nifty trinkets.

Stupid fucks...


And nothing has changed...


The British still think they're superior to everyone.

And the decendants of the Azteks still don't know a fucking enemy when they see one.

WTF are you talking about. The British tortured and did everything to the Colonial Americans. Why do you think they were so unpopular and it was easy to field an army against them even though they were much better armed.

And how does Old World diseases brought to the New World have anything to do with this.

As for your present day thinkings of both of them?? Are you high son??

[whottt]

:lol :lol Ohhh you don't?? And it's my fault?? Keep em coming whottt your ignorance is comical.

It's entirely the fault of yours and others like you.




So what other insight into my thoughts have your extended drug use given you??

Who said my drug use was extended?




Do tell. And tell us how to beat Islamic Fundamentalists whottt. Since you have it all figured out. Maybe you should apply for Secretary of Defense.

You get rid of the shitty corrupt leaders that force their citizenry to live in conditions so inhumane that religious fanatacism seems like a step up.





Again answer me how we can be at war and not have prisoners of war?? They are POW's get it through your thick skull. The world defines them as POW's they deserve the rights the Geneva Convention gives them.


I posted the entire article 4 of the Geneva Convention...you show me that part of it that backs up your statement.




:lol :lol At another non ever fighting Repug calling another veteran a traitor because they believe in the Geneva Convention and believe going to Iraq was the wrong thing to do. LMAO @ the irony.

Hey if I see a veteran molesting a child the same way Obama supporters are attempting to molest our Elctoral system I am going to have issues with it as well...it's not a free pass.




Wow whottt how great of you. Maybe they can put up a statue of you in your home town. The great whottt and how he supported his country by advocating war. :lmao :lmao

I never advocated that war...I merely realized that once we went in we had to win.




Your a sorry excuse for a person. Easy to advocate war when it ain't your ass on the line.

Just shut the fuck up dude..you don't know shit about me...




And calling everybody that doesn't agree with you supporting the enemy whether they actually served for their country or not. What a great person and patriot you are whottt.

I don't call everyone that disagrees with me the enemy...just those that support Islamic Terrorists...whether they realize they are doing it or not.

[whottt]

WTF are you talking about. The British tortured and did everything to the Colonial Americans. Why do you think they were so unpopular and it was easy to field an army against them even though they were much better armed.

You don't know shit about why the British lost the war...it had nothing to do with whether or not they tortured anyone.




And how does Old World diseases brought to the New World have anything to do with this.

You don't know shit about this either...




As for your present day thinkings of both of them?? Are you high son??

No...I'm dead on accurate.

[whottt]

They broke a treaty signed after the first Iraq war.

No they didn't.



So why did they lie to the public?? Doesn't that concern you whottt??

#1. I still don't know that they did. We only gave Saddam like 3 months to remove any WMD.

You mind is limited by thinking all governments work at the same speed as the US Government with all those formalities and all those technecailities and all that due process...

Saddam wasn't bound by any of that shit.

If we did deliberately lie...then why didn't we just fabricate some WMD there?



#2. It wasn't the only reason given for the Iraq war.

#3. Why we went in no longer mattered after we went in...nothing can undo the decision to go in....the results of not winning there is all that matters.

[whottt]

1. I'm waiting for you to show me the section of the Geneva Convention that backed up your point.

I already posted the part that backs up mine.

2. I want you to show me the treaty the US signed with Saddam that they broke.


C'mon bitch...Michael Moore isn't here to help you now...prove you know something other than the shit that has been injected into your brain.


Show me what you know...

[Purple & Gold]

It's entirely the fault of yours and others like you.

How so please explain yourself.


Who said my drug use was extended?

Just an educated guess, based on the wisdom I see in your posts and how you rationalize anything to suit your needs.


You get rid of the shitty corrupt leaders that force their citizenry to live in conditions so inhumane that religious fanatacism seems like a step up.

This is actually something I would love to see be done. But it can't be done with force or else it won't work. People don't like when you go into their house and start making decisions for them no matter what it is. It actually breeds more hostility and violence.


I posted the entire article 4 of the Geneva Convention...you show me that part of it that backs up your statement.

Again technicalities. The world views them as POW's. They were captured in a war we are in. They are POW's. The world as well as McCain agree with that.


Hey if I see a veteran molesting a child the same way Obama supporters are attempting to molest our Elctoral system I am going to have issues with it as well...it's not a free pass.

Wow we really are reaching here. What did you think about what the Repugs did in Florida in 2000. Where you that livid back then.


I never advocated that war...I merely realized that once we went in we had to win.

So explain to me how you win this war? What would you say constitutes a victory and how long and how many lives do you think it will take? Again what constitutes a victory?


Just shut the fuck up dude..you don't know shit about me...

Not that I would ever want to you neocon warhawk. Typical how you call anybody that doesn't agree with your point of view a traitor. Even veterans that fought while you sat on your ass.


I don't call everyone that disagrees with me the enemy...just those that support Islamic Terrorists...whether they realize they are doing it or not.

So exactly how are they supporting Islamic Terrorists? Since you are so enlightened on this subject.

[Purple & Gold]

1. I'm waiting for you to show me the section of the Geneva Convention that backed up your point.

I already posted the part that backs up mine.

2. I want you to show me the treaty the US signed with Saddam that they broke.


C'mon bitch...Michael Moore isn't here to help you now...prove you know something other than the shit that has been injected into your brain.


Show me what you know...

I've already told you. Technicalities. The Geneva Convention is the lowest point of having to adhere to the law. We can actually have higher standards. You do realize that don't you?? The world sees them as POW's as well as many Americans and both Presidential candidates.

Do you understand that??

[Purple & Gold]

1. I'm waiting for you to show me the section of the Geneva Convention that backed up your point.

I already posted the part that backs up mine.

2. I want you to show me the treaty the US signed with Saddam that they broke.


C'mon bitch...Michael Moore isn't here to help you now...prove you know something other than the shit that has been injected into your brain.


Show me what you know...

Yes we know you think we had all the right to do what we wanted because it was a cease fire. Saddam was bound to give inspectors full access to the Nuclear Program. He didn't then he did after threats. Bush didn't think it was good or quick enough. We all remember what happened.

Take some time to clear your head and try not posting while high anymore.

[Purple & Gold]

#1. I still don't know that they did. We only gave Saddam like 3 months to remove any WMD.

You mind is limited by thinking all governments work at the same speed as the US Government with all those formalities and all those technecailities and all that due process...

Saddam wasn't bound by any of that shit.

If we did deliberately lie...then why didn't we just fabricate some WMD there?



#2. It wasn't the only reason given for the Iraq war.

#3. Why we went in no longer mattered after we went in...nothing can undo the decision to go in....the results of not winning there is all that matters.

#1. So point num 1 we agree in. OK. But doesn't it concern you a bit. Colin Powell sounded so certain up there. And LMAO @ you thinking you know how my mind works.

#2. It was the main reason. Well other than trying to set up a base in the Middle East and having the potential to control a country with huge oil reserves. No the human rights issues were bullshit or else we would have treated Saudi Arabia very differently. Although I agree that all forms of genocide should be stamped out by the U.S. in conjunction with the UN.

#3. Actually this does matter. It is patriotic and necessary to question your country and debate about their motives of going to war. And again tell me what constitutes a victory.

[whottt]

This is actually something I would love to see be done. But it can't be done with force or else it won't work. People don't like when you go into their house and start making decisions for them no matter what it is. It actually breeds more hostility and violence.

Yeah best to sanction them...because that improves living standards, creates jobs, feeds people, and turns people away from religious fanatacism :rolleyes




Again technicalities. The world views them as POW's. They were captured in a war we are in. They are POW's. The world as well as McCain agree with that.

Fuck the world...the world isn't on our side. The world is stupid.




Wow we really are reaching here. What did you think about what the Repugs did in Florida in 2000. Where you that livid back then.


Actually I was...at the same time, I just don't know for sure that anyone did...I just know some Democrats are too fucking stupid to know how to vote...whether by ballot, or by machine.

But even if they did...could have been undone in 4 years if the Democrats weren't so fucking stupid and didn't politicize a war that most of them supported....including the ones who sat on the Senate Intelligence Commitee...like Senator John Fuck Stick Kerry.

This shit going on now is before the fact...and is blatant...

And if you think there isn't going to be massive fallout from it...you are being stupid.




So explain to me how you win this war?

Simple...true representative government with legtimate civil rights in a Mideastern Muslim Country....this puts every shithead country like Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria under a microscope and they can no longer say it's just Israel and the US fucking the Muslims over.




What would you say constitutes a victory

An Arab country hated by Saudi Arabia and Iran and much as Israel and the US are and for similar reasons.



and how long and how many lives do you think it will take?
It'll take much longer with asshat Americans wanting a pullout...that gives those we fight a reason to hold on...

You'd have to be incomparably stupid to not understand this.




Again what constitutes a victory?

In Iraq? A few peaceful transfers of powers...human rights, representative government, an ideological alliance with the US and Israel...

And oh yeah...the day they unite at all levels peacfully, and tell us we aren't needed anymore.










Not that I would ever want to you neocon warhawk. Typical how you call anybody that doesn't agree with your point of view a traitor. Even veterans that fought while you sat on your ass.

You want me to find some veterans that agree with me? S'not hard to do...




So exactly how are they supporting Islamic Terrorists?

By having the exact same goals and saying the exact same thing...and tying one hand behind their own countries back.



Since you are so enlightened on this subject.

I am very enlightened on this subject...I'm enlightened enough to know that being enlightened isn't enough.

[whottt]

#2. It was the main reason. Well other than trying to set up a base in the Middle East and having the potential to control a country with huge oil reserves. No the human rights issues were bullshit or else we would have treated Saudi Arabia very differently. Although I agree that all forms of genocide should be stamped out by the U.S. in conjunction with the UN.


No...the main reason we went into Iraq was because we couldn't go into Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan...we had no legal recouse, they weren't in violation of Cease Fire agreements with us, in some cases our economies are married, and we would have had a much bloodier war with much more intense fighting, against more combatants...plus they didn't have a history of invading their neighbors.

You say it was primarily about WMD...I say it was a message to Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan to get their shit together.

Saudi Arabia and Pakistan immediately got this message at least at some levels...Iran did not.


Make no mistake about it...we do not have the ability to stop terrorist attacks in our country...those countries are the ones with the power to stop them...

And the idea that Bush will fucking invade them as he clearly stated in his Bush doctrine...is the main reason we have not had a single attack on this soil since 2001....it's got little or nothing to do with the Department of Homeland Security....that's my interpretation of it.



I don't think the US Govt is going to announce their strategy to the world...that'd be kind of stupid.

[whottt]

By the way...feel free to compare the unemployment rates of Pakistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia now compared to 2001...

They are much lesser now...and not because new jobs have been created...but because their unemployed have been dying in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[ChumpDumper]

By the way...feel free to compare the unemployment rates of Pakistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia now compared to 2001...

They are much lesser now...and not because new jobs have been created...but because their unemployed have been dying in Iraq and Afghanistan.Iran's unemployment rate is about the same as 2001 after spiking last year.

Pakistan's unemployment rate has always been higher since 2001.

Saudi Arabia's dropped between 2005 and 2006 but remained unchanged in the other years.

[whottt]

Iran's unemployment rate is about the same as 2001 after spiking last year.


Ok so take them from 2003 then...when Iraq started, and not just Afghanistan:


http://www.indexmundi.com/iran/unemployment_rate.html


Year Unemployment rate Rank Percent Change Date of Information
2003 16.30 % 65 2003 est.
2004 15.70 % 64 -3.68 % 2002 est.
2005 11.20 % 105 -28.66 % 2004 est.
2006 11.20 % 112 0.00 % 2004 est.
2007 15.00 % 147 33.93 % 2007 est.
2008 11.00 % 126 -26.67 % June 2007


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Pakistan's unemployment rate has always been higher since 2001.




http://www.indexmundi.com/pakistan/unemployment_rate.html


Year Unemployment rate Rank Percent Change Date of Information
2003 7.80 % 119 2002 est.
2004 7.70 % 122 -1.28 % 2003 est.
2005 8.30 % 75 7.79 % 2004 est.
2006 6.60 % 65 -20.48 % 2005 est.
2007 6.50 % 72 -1.52 % 2006 est.
2008 7.50 % 91 15.38 % 2007 est.


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Saudi Arabia's dropped between 2005 and 2006 but remained unchanged in the other years.

http://www.indexmundi.com/saudi_arabia/unemployment_rate.html



Year Unemployment rate Rank Percent Change Date of Information
2003 25.00 % 33 2002
2004 25.00 % 33 0.00 % 2003
2005 25.00 % 159 0.00 % 2004 est.
2006 13.00 % 134 -48.00 % 2004 est.
2007 13.00 % 136 0.00 % 2004 est.
2008 13.00 % 138 0.00 % 2004 est.


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[ChumpDumper]

Ok so take them from 2003 then.http://www.bcfc.co.uk/javaImages/6a/ef/0,,10327~2944874,00.jpg

Don't get mad at me because you suck at this.

[whottt]

http://www.bcfc.co.uk/javaImages/6a/ef/0,,10327~2944874,00.jpg

Don't get mad at me because you suck at this.



I'm not mad Chump...you go ahead and split hairs to your hearts content...it's what you do best. It's all you do in fact.

[whottt]

blah blach buncha bullshit.


I just went across the street and talked to my neighbor...he's a Mexican American with 2 babies and just got recalled from the Army reserves to go to Iraq and work in counter insurgency...

This guy is leaving his wife, kids and job behind for a year...


And he's got more McCain signs in his yard than a McCain HQ does.


You really don't want to know what he wants to think about Obama and those who support him.

Piece of cake to find veterans that disagree with you.

[ChumpDumper]

So according to whotttenomics, several hundreds of thousands of Iranians rose from the dead between 2006 and 2007 and looked for work back home, then went off to redie in the jihad a year later.

[whottt]

So using whotttenomics, several hundreds of thousands of Iranians rose from the dead between 2006 and 2007 and looked for work back home, then went off to redie in the jihad a year later.



LOL you're funny when you're owned...and you are owned, severely...technicality or not.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not mad Chump...you go ahead and split hairs to your hearts content...it's what you do best. It's all you do in fact.And you just spout complete bullshit hoping you don't get called on it...it's what you do best. It's all you do in fact.

[whottt]

I posted the links that proved my point dude...maybe not from 2001, but most certainly from 2003 on when we went into Iraq.

[ChumpDumper]

LOL you're funny when you're owned...and you are owned, severely...technicality or not.Please explain the spike in unemployment.

[ChumpDumper]

I posted the links that proved my point dude...maybe not from 2001, but most certainly from 2003 on when we went into Iraq.Except they don't.

Most certainly they do not.

[whottt]

Please explain the spike in unemployment.


Which one?

You got fucking owned on Saudi Arabia.

[whottt]

Except they don't.

Most certainly they do not.

They sure as hell do...in every single case lower now than in 2003.

[ChumpDumper]

Which one?Any one.


You got fucking owned on Saudi Arabia.I stated precisely what happened in Saudi Arabia.

Thanks for confirming it, dumbass.

[ChumpDumper]

They sure as hell do...in every single case lower now than in 2003.Too bad it means nothing since it's still fluctuating in most cases.

According to whotttenomics, Saudi Arabians only went to jihad one year, and never before or after.

[whottt]

Any one.

Shit happens...it's not like there aren't any internal factors at play just because we're at war in Iraq and Afghan...nontheless, the trend in all 3 countries can't be overlooked...unless you're of course a dumbass that also over looks massive voter fraud, both in terms of registrations and votes.

Or the type that thinks Beno is tough and Barry is a pussy.





I stated precisely what happened in Saudi Arabia.

Thanks for confirming it, dumbass.


No you didn't...and I didn't confirm anything of the kind.

[whottt]

Too bad it means nothing since it's still fluctuating in most cases.

A non idiot would easily grasp that the level of violence has now droped in Iraq and Afghanistan hasn't had the scale of Iraq....




According to whotttenomics, Saudi Arabians only went to jihad one year, and never before or after.

No...you're just stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

Shit happens...Zombie jihadis!



No you didn't...
Saudi Arabia's dropped between 2005 and 2006 but remained unchanged in the other years.I can't believe just how stupid you have become. It's easier to believe you are just a horrible liar who is now lying as a matter of course.

[whottt]

Chump desperately wants this page buried behind 3-4 other pages :lol


Don't worry Chump...all that's important to me is that you know you got owned, and we both know you did. Spam away...

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry whottt, you got called out, moved the goalposts and created zombie jihadis to try to save yourself. I will gladly link the page where you did this from here on out.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107301&page=4

:lmao

[Findog]

By any chance is whottt able-bodied? Why hasn't he signed up? Is he over the age of 40? At what age will they military not take you anymore?

whottt, if you're able-bodied and eligible to serve, and you haven't, that makes you a chickenhawk.

[ChumpDumper]

Apparently he tried and wasn't accepted. Once he thought he wouldn't be able to kill anyone, he stopped trying to join the war effort in any capacity. I do believe him when he says he tried to join up.

[ElNono]

It's just a lot easier to post in Spurstalk...

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.indexmundi.com/saudi_arabia/unemployment_rate.html



Year Unemployment rate Rank Percent Change Date of Information
2003 25.00 % 33 2002
2004 25.00 % 33 0.00 % 2003
2005 25.00 % 159 0.00 % 2004 est.
2006 13.00 % 134 -48.00 % 2004 est.
2007 13.00 % 136 0.00 % 2004 est.
2008 13.00 % 138 0.00 % 2004 est.


DownNew Labor Law OK’d

P.K. Abdul Ghafour, Arab News


JEDDAH, 27 September 2005 — The Council of Ministers yesterday approved the new labor law that allows women to work in all fields that suit their nature and raises the rate of Saudization of jobs in companies to 75 percent....

....Culture and Information Minister Iyad Madani said the new labor law, which has been endorsed by the Shoura Council, insisted that the number of Saudis working in a company should be at least 75 percent. The law, however, allows the labor minister to reduce this rate temporarily if there is a shortage of qualified hands required by companies....

....Labor Minister Ghazi Al-Gosaibi said the new law, which replaces the one issued 37 years ago, took into account national and international developments and changes and realized the interests of all parties on the job market....

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=70723&d=27&m=9&y=2005&pix=kingdom.jpg&category=Kingdom

So in late 2005, Saudi Arabia changes their labor law in order to employ more Saudi Arabians -- and in 2006, the unemployment rate of Saudi Arabians drops.

Shocking.

[ElNono]

New Labor Law OK’d

P.K. Abdul Ghafour, Arab News


JEDDAH, 27 September 2005 — The Council of Ministers yesterday approved the new labor law that allows women to work in all fields that suit their nature and raises the rate of Saudization of jobs in companies to 75 percent....

....Culture and Information Minister Iyad Madani said the new labor law, which has been endorsed by the Shoura Council, insisted that the number of Saudis working in a company should be at least 75 percent. The law, however, allows the labor minister to reduce this rate temporarily if there is a shortage of qualified hands required by companies....

....Labor Minister Ghazi Al-Gosaibi said the new law, which replaces the one issued 37 years ago, took into account national and international developments and changes and realized the interests of all parties on the job market....

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=70723&d=27&m=9&y=2005&pix=kingdom.jpg&category=Kingdom

So in late 2005, Saudi Arabia changes their labor law in order to employ more Saudi Arabians -- and in 2006, the unemployment rate of Saudi Arabians drops.

Shocking.

Do we have an whottt ownage counter somewhere? Is it running out of digits?

[whottt]

By any chance is whottt able-bodied? Why hasn't he signed up? Is he over the age of 40? At what age will they military not take you anymore?

whottt, if you're able-bodied and eligible to serve, and you haven't, that makes you a chickenhawk.


Fuck stick...I tried to sign up immediately after September 11th. I told my recruiter I had a traumatic brain injury when I was 16 and asked if that would keep me from being able to join..

He told me to lie and not tell them about it, which I did.

On my physicial I had to list medications I am alleric to...I am only allergic to one medication Dylantin.

Dylantin has exactly one use, which I did not know at that time...and that's to prevent seizures in people that have suffered traumatic brain injuries.

It just so happened the doctor that was interviewing me after my physicial(and was telling me that I could do just about anyting I wanted in the military with my AVSAB score of 96) was a retired neurosurgeon who instantly nailed me on the Dylantin and asked why I didn't list ever having a subdural hematoma.

I told him I didn't think it was important, since it was a minor injury.

He rolled his eyes at me and told me nice try, he then told me he appreciated my enthusiasm but to limit legal liability I would have to undergo months of extensive psychological battery and get medical clearance from the doctor who performed the surgery on me, to be able to perform the physical tasks required.


That head injury happened when I was 16 years old in 1986, this was 2001 and I was 33 years old, not only was the guy that originally performed the surgery on me dead, but the cut off date for being inducted was 34 years old. I tried for several months to get the physical clearance I originally had from the Hospitial, records they no longer had from 15 years earlier...and when I told the neurosurgeon this he told me it was going to cost the Army too much money to test me, and they would be too liable. They had a huge phonebook size book on the testing that would have to be done to approve me.

He told me appreciated my efforts but there were plenty of young men joining at that time, that would not cost as much as me, and he appreciated by patriotism, but he couldn't approve me for joining the US Military.


I am 40 now, and while the age of joining the reserves has been pushed back to I believe 42 (and yes I do still check), they still won't clear me mentally or physically for joining, I will still cost more than they think than I am worth due to my age, the tests necessary and possible lawsuits should something go wrong.

I am the only male in generations of my immediate family that has not served in the US Military...and it is not something I am proud of.


In short...some of consider it an honor to serve our country, not an obligation..so go fuck yourself for thinking you have me figured out...asshole.

[whottt]

New Labor Law OK’d

P.K. Abdul Ghafour, Arab News


JEDDAH, 27 September 2005 — The Council of Ministers yesterday approved the new labor law that allows women to work in all fields that suit their nature and raises the rate of Saudization of jobs in companies to 75 percent....

....Culture and Information Minister Iyad Madani said the new labor law, which has been endorsed by the Shoura Council, insisted that the number of Saudis working in a company should be at least 75 percent. The law, however, allows the labor minister to reduce this rate temporarily if there is a shortage of qualified hands required by companies....

....Labor Minister Ghazi Al-Gosaibi said the new law, which replaces the one issued 37 years ago, took into account national and international developments and changes and realized the interests of all parties on the job market....

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=70723&d=27&m=9&y=2005&pix=kingdom.jpg&category=Kingdom

So in late 2005, Saudi Arabia changes their labor law in order to employ more Saudi Arabians -- and in 2006, the unemployment rate of Saudi Arabians drops.

Shocking.

Didn't drop in 2005 now did it?



It dropped in 2005

[ElNono]

Fuck stick...I tried to sign up immediately after September 11th. I told my recruiter I had a traumatic brain injury when I was 16 and asked if that would keep me from being able to join..


I had an accident playing soccer when I was 18, fell full body on the back of my head and lost consciousness for about 1 hour. I still faintly remember waking up, without knowing where I was, what time it was, who I was... took me a good couple of hours to get my memory back... when it did, I got desperate and told the doctor I wanted to call my family, and the doctor looked at me in a kind of weird way and told me I already have done so 45 minutes earlier... to this date, I still have no recollection of that phone call.
Luckily, after 48 hours of observation at the hospital, everything cleared up ok for me.

While I think you come across as perhaps the most obtuse poster here in the Political forum, I'm actually glad you recovered well from your injury. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Didn't drop in 2005 now did it?It didn't drop because of jihad now did it?

[ChumpDumper]

I love how you just start lying uncontrollably once you've been proven wrong.

Here's the actual quote:
Iran's unemployment rate is about the same as 2001 after spiking last year.

Pakistan's unemployment rate has always been higher since 2001.

Saudi Arabia's dropped between 2005 and 2006 but remained unchanged in the other years.

[whottt]

It didn't drop because of jihad now did it?

Of course it did...you think the bulk of those foreign terrorists in Iraq left jobs?

How stupid can you be?

[ChumpDumper]

Of course it did...you think the bulk of those foreign terrorists in Iraq left jobs?

How stupid can you be?You think they only left Saudi Arabia in one year and never in any other year?

How stupid can you be?

[whottt]

All 3 countries have a lower unemployment rate now than they did in 2003, or prior to the Afgahn and Iraq wars. It's irrefutable. You don't have a leg to stand on...

The spike in Iran is still a lower figure than in 2003.


So that leaves Pakistan which has a host of economic problems..and incidentally, Afghanistan cooled down for a couple of years ago...plus they have refugees.

[whottt]

You think they only left Saudi Arabia in one year and never in any other year?

I think the vast bulk of them left in one years...more than any other years.

Of course they did...once Al-Qaeda in Iraq got a foothold.

Of course they did...how stupid can you be?


In the case of every country it's lower now than it was prior to the Iraq and Afghan Wars...which exactly what I stated...idiot.

Stupid fuck.

Idiot..who makes everything he reads stupider.


Just change your name to strawman...that's all you can do. And it's only attractive to other anti-Americans.

[ChumpDumper]

All 3 countries have a lower unemployment rate now than they did in 2003, or prior to the Afgahn and Iraq wars. It's irrefutable. You don't have a leg to stand on...Of course the reported numbers are irrefutable. It's your idiotic reasoning for them that has been thoroughly refuted.

It's amazing how stupid your arguments have become, to say nothing how much you simply lie these days.

[whottt]

Of course the reported numbers are irrefutable. It's your idiotic reasoning for them that has been thoroughly refuted.

It hasn't been refuted at all...




It's amazing how stupid your arguments have become, to say nothing how much you simply lie these days.

How stupid can you be?

[ChumpDumper]

I think the vast bulk of them left in one years...more than any other years.

Of course they did...once Al-Qaeda in Iraq got a foothold.

Of course they did...how stupid can you be?They changed their labor law to reduce unemployment, and unemployment was reduced.

You have gone off the deep end. Mere stupidity can't explain your horrible posts.

[ChumpDumper]

It hasn't been refuted at all...Anyone who isn't insane can see it.


How stupid can you be?I can never be as stupid as you have been in this thread. You are deep into Galileo territory now.

[whottt]

Anyone who isn't insane can see it.

And any non-dumbass can see you doing your played out strawman routine.




I can never be as stupid as you have been in this thread. You are deep into Galileo territory now.

You're much stupider than Galileo...and at least he doesn't laugh about voter fraud.

[ElNono]

LOL@whottt changing topics again...

[ChumpDumper]

And any non-dumbass can see you doing your played out strawman routine.I'm not. Your best argument was "shit happens" and you are trying to tell me I'm making a straw man?

There are myriad reasons why unemployment rates fluctuate. I gave you THE reason why the rate in Saudi Arabia fell between 2005 and 2006. Your only response was to lie about what I posted. Nice job. :tu



You're much stupider than Galileo...and at least he doesn't laugh about voter fraud.I understand it's best for you to try to change the subject now that you have received such a thorough beatdown, but tough shit.

You've lost it and you lost your stupid argument.

[whottt]

I'm not. Your best argument was "shit happens" and you are trying to tell me I'm making a straw man?

There are myriad reasons why unemployment rates fluctuate. I gave you THE reason why the rate in Saudi Arabia fell between 2005 and 2006. Your only response was to lie about what I posted. Nice job. :tu


I understand it's best for you to try to change the subject now that you have received such a thorough beatdown, but tough shit.

You've lost it and you lost your stupid argument.


No idiot...you seem to be operating under the stupid leadbraiend delusion that there have been no substantial numbers of foreign terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan......


Idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

No idiot...you seem to be operating under the stupid leadbraiend delusion that there have been no substantial numbers of foreign terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan..........who rise from the dead and look for jobs in their home countries as zombies.


Idiot.It's not my fault you don't understand the implications of your own stupid argument.

[whottt]

....who rise from the dead and look for jobs in their home countries as zombies.

It's not my fault you don't understand the implications of your own stupid argument.


It's not that my arguement was stupid...it's that your brain is stupid. It's always stupid...in every argument.

[ChumpDumper]

It's not that my arguement was stupid...it's that your brain is stupid. It's always stupid...in every argument.:lol

Keep posting and try to bury your shame.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107301&page=4

[Findog]

In short...some of consider it an honor to serve our country, not an obligation..so go fuck yourself for thinking you have me figured out...asshole.

It's eating you up inside that the country has turned on this bullshit war and is about to award the Presidency to a "black radical Muslim Socialist" named Hussein, isn't it? :lol

I never said you were a chickenhawk, I simply stated that able-bodied eligible males that supported the war and didn't serve met that criteria. Whether you're telling the truth or not, I have no idea...but it is nice to activate the manic part of your psychological profile. :lol

[Purple & Gold]

Yeah best to sanction them...because that improves living standards, creates jobs, feeds people, and turns people away from religious fanatacism :rolleyes

Who said anything about sanctions?? I'm totally against sanctions. It doesn't hurt anybody but innocent civilians. There are other ways to try to encourage a change in living standards and human rights.


Fuck the world...the world isn't on our side. The world is stupid.

:lol :lol Classic. Only whottt knows what is best in this world. And yet you say you're not arrogant. :lol :lol


Actually I was...at the same time, I just don't know for sure that anyone did...I just know some Democrats are too fucking stupid to know how to vote...whether by ballot, or by machine.

You don't know for sure that anyone did?? How about the votes not being considered legit by one person (a Repug). Kathleen Harris ring a bell??


But even if they did...could have been undone in 4 years if the Democrats weren't so fucking stupid and didn't politicize a war that most of them supported....including the ones who sat on the Senate Intelligence Commitee...like Senator John Fuck Stick Kerry.

Even if they did?? So it's ok to steal a presidency for 1 term because they can always make it right 4 years later?? Classic. I can't believe you really believe this. Again where are the WMD's that the government knew all about?? Another lie from them??


This shit going on now is before the fact...and is blatant...

And if you think there isn't going to be massive fallout from it...you are being stupid.

Actually it was much worse in 2000. Anybody with half a brain knows that.


Simple...true representative government with legtimate civil rights in a Mideastern Muslim Country....this puts every shithead country like Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria under a microscope and they can no longer say it's just Israel and the US fucking the Muslims over.

And this can be done by force with heavy civilian casualties?? :lol :lol you are delusional.


An Arab country hated by Saudi Arabia and Iran and much as Israel and the US are and for similar reasons.


It'll take much longer with asshat Americans wanting a pullout...that gives those we fight a reason to hold on...

You'd have to be incomparably stupid to not understand this.

Of course it will take much longer. We are talking decades and even then maybe. The best way is to not do it by force. Hard to make it a good selling point when innocent family members are being killed due to "collateral damage".


In Iraq? A few peaceful transfers of powers...human rights, representative government, an ideological alliance with the US and Israel...

And oh yeah...the day they unite at all levels peacfully, and tell us we aren't needed anymore.

Israel is not peaceful by any means. They have warhawks there just like in the U.S. Again this will take decades and even then it's a maybe. Civilian casualties do not help this at all.


You want me to find some veterans that agree with me? S'not hard to do...

Your point??


By having the exact same goals and saying the exact same thing...and tying one hand behind their own countries back.

You lost me here. Please explain yourself.


I am very enlightened on this subject...I'm enlightened enough to know that being enlightened isn't enough.

So are you Plato or Aristotle. Cause I know deep down you think you're as enlightened as one. I mean the rest of the world is stupid, right?? :lol :lol

[Purple & Gold]

No...the main reason we went into Iraq was because we couldn't go into Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan...we had no legal recouse, they weren't in violation of Cease Fire agreements with us, in some cases our economies are married, and we would have had a much bloodier war with much more intense fighting, against more combatants...plus they didn't have a history of invading their neighbors.

You say it was primarily about WMD...I say it was a message to Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan to get their shit together.

Saudi Arabia and Pakistan immediately got this message at least at some levels...Iran did not.


Make no mistake about it...we do not have the ability to stop terrorist attacks in our country...those countries are the ones with the power to stop them...

And the idea that Bush will fucking invade them as he clearly stated in his Bush doctrine...is the main reason we have not had a single attack on this soil since 2001....it's got little or nothing to do with the Department of Homeland Security....that's my interpretation of it.



I don't think the US Govt is going to announce their strategy to the world...that'd be kind of stupid.

So you're ok with the government lying to the people to sell a war?? Cause that what it sounds like to me. And LMAO @ you thinking the war in Iraq has stopped terrorism in the U.S. I thought you could think for yourself and didn't just regurgitate Repub talking points.

[Purple & Gold]

I just went across the street and talked to my neighbor...he's a Mexican American with 2 babies and just got recalled from the Army reserves to go to Iraq and work in counter insurgency...

This guy is leaving his wife, kids and job behind for a year...


And he's got more McCain signs in his yard than a McCain HQ does.


You really don't want to know what he wants to think about Obama and those who support him.

Piece of cake to find veterans that disagree with you.

Again your point?? I can find just as many that agree with me. Doesn't really mean anything.

[LakeShow]

McCain aide says he's strong in 'real' Virginia

McCain aide says Republican nominee remains strong in 'real Virginia' away from Washington

(WOODBRIDGE, Va.) A top aide to John McCain (http://www.newsweek.com/related.aspx?subject=John+McCain) said Saturday the Republican presidential nominee still has a strong chance of winning the state because of his support in "real Virginia (http://www.newsweek.com/related.aspx?subject=Virginia)," the downstate areas far removed in distance and political philosophy from the more liberal northern part of the state.


"As a proud resident of Oakton, Va., I can tell you that the Democrats have just come in from the District of Columbia and moved into northern Virginia (http://www.newsweek.com/related.aspx?subject=Northern+Virginia)," McCain senior adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer said on MSNBC. "And that's really what you see there. But the rest of the state, real Virginia, if you will, I think will be very responsive to Sen. McCain's message."


Program host Kevin Corke asked Pfotenhauer if she wanted to retract the comment, prompting her to reply, "I mean 'real Virginia' because northern Virginia is where I've always been, but 'real Virginia' I take to be the — this part of the state that is more Southern in nature, if you will. Northern Virginia is really metro D.C.".......


http://www.newsweek.com/id/164658

Is this the strategy of the Repug's? Divide and Conquer? Good luck with that! :rolleyes

[whottt]

It's eating you up inside that the country has turned on this bullshit war

Not really....the war is basically over and the referendum on it was 2004. Safe to say more Americans supported winning it then actually supported going into Iraq in the first place, hence the Bush victory in 2004.



and is about to award the Presidency to a "black radical Muslim Socialist" named Hussein, isn't it? :lol


Does anyone really give a shit that he's black?




I never said you were a chickenhawk, I simply stated that able-bodied eligible males that supported the war and didn't serve met that criteria. Whether you're telling the truth or not, I have no idea...but it is nice to activate the manic part of your psychological profile. :lol


I never failed any pschological tests...not a single one. They didn't give me any after learning about the head injury...

[Findog]

Not really....the war is basically over and the referendum on it was 2004. Safe to say more Americans supported winning it then actually supported going into Iraq in the first place, hence the Bush victory in 2004.


And history's verdict and the overwhelming verdict of the American people now is that it was a fraud and a failure.



Does anyone really give a shit that he's black?

Quite a few people supporting McCain have problems with his skin color. I'm sure you've seen the videos, or at least are aware of them.

[Mr. Peabody]

Does anyone really give a shit that he's black?


http://www.pleasegodno.com/uploads/obamabucks3.jpg

[whottt]

And history's verdict and the overwhelming verdict of the American people now is that it was a fraud and a failure.



Quite a few people supporting McCain have problems with his skin color. I'm sure you've seen the videos, or at least are aware of them.


I guarantee you more people are voting for Obama because of his skin color than are voting against him because of it...


The knife cuts both ways.

[Spurtacus]

Palin's stupidity continues to amaze me.

[whottt]

And history's verdict and the overwhelming verdict of the American people now is that it was a fraud and a failure.

I see...and is this information based on the same opinion polls that give Congress a lower approval rating than Bush?

[ElNono]

Does anyone really give a shit that he's black?

I guarantee you more people are voting for Obama because of his skin color than are voting against him because of it...


?

Which one is it?

[ElNono]

I see...and is this information based on the same opinion polls that give Congress a lower approval rating than Bush?

It's probably based on the fact that Democrats won the congressional race in 2006 running on a failed war campaign.