100,000 Turn Out For Obama Rally In St. Louis Today

[Mr. Peabody]

His largest U.S. crowd to date.

:wow:wow


October 18, 2008
Categories: Barack Obama
Politico (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/)
100,000 people

Barack Obama has apparently attracted more people to his rally today in St. Louis, Mo., than to his August acceptance speech at Invesco Field in Denver.

Lt. Samuel Dotson of the St. Louis Police Department placed the crowd count at 100,000 people, according to the campaign.

"All I can say is, 'Wow,'" Obama said just after taking the stage underneath the Gatway Arch.
Politico has called Dotson to confirm the crowd figure, but has not yet heard back.

If the number is verified, it would be his his largest American crowd, second only to the 200,000 people who turned out for his speech in Berlin, Germany, and more than the 80,000 people who attended his Democratic National Convention speech.

[Buddy Holly]

Yeah and? Palin would have brought in 110,000 and they all would have been chanting "drill baby drill."

[Mr. Peabody]

Yeah and? Palin would have brought in 110,000 and they all would have been chanting "drill baby drill."

And Palin would have started the speech saying "It's great to be here on the East Coast!"

[ElNono]

His largest U.S. crowd to date.

:wow:wow

Is that a Pro-America crowd or an Anti-America crowd?

[LakeShow]

:toast

[Mr. Peabody]

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[Ya Vez]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3184/2757523723_6a8ef8c20b.jpg?v=0

[ChumpDumper]

That's really amazing for such a weak candidate.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Is that a Pro-America crowd or an Anti-America crowd?

It's not a small town, so I guess there's your answer.

[boutons_]

McNasty's side is green with envy for the enthusiasm for HUSSEIN.

The ridiculing Messiah shit is a indication of how envious McMakesUpShit's side is.

[GuerillaBlack]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/18/gall.stlouis.cnn.jpg

http://s.wsj.net/media/obamastlouis_Q_20081018135311.jpg

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Damn.

[ducks]

His largest U.S. crowd to date.

:wow:wow

what color were they

[ChumpDumper]

what color were theyUnfortunately, this is one post of ducks' that can be understood.

[ducks]

the black dude on cnn said Obama better get the black people out to vote
and not just think he has it in the bag
and he has to tell his supporters to say the same thing
so I just asked if they were black

[ChumpDumper]

There were at least three black people in the crowd.

[BRHornet45]

damn sons thats a lot of welfare recipients ...

[ChumpDumper]

And you whine about not being taken seriously.

[TheMadHatter]

Who is ducks? What's the backstory on this guy?

Anyways, impressive crowd especially in MO. I'm wondering if any of these polls are really accurate.....Obama may have a mind numbing lead.

[ducks]

damn sons thats a lot of welfare recipients ...

they do not like to actually work for $18 dollars an hour
they think they are worth 2 times that
so they stay unemployed

[Ya Vez]

the demographics of st louis..

http://www.saintlouis.com/demographics.html

[ChumpDumper]

the demographics of st louis..

http://www.saintlouis.com/demographics.htmlWhat is your point?

Are people from the suburbs not allowed into the city?

[ducks]

the demographics of st louis..

http://www.saintlouis.com/demographics.html

over half are black there

[ChumpDumper]

over half are black there
And?

[ducks]

What is your point?

Are people from the suburbs not allowed into the city?

Total Population 348,189

[ChumpDumper]

Total Population 348,189That didn't answer my question.

What are you guys saying?

[Ya Vez]

whats a matter with posting the demographics of city... just shows the break down of the population there..

[Ya Vez]

atcually the county of st. louis total pop is around 700,000

[Ya Vez]

I better watch out I might be labeled a racist for pointing out the demographics of St. Louis...

[ChumpDumper]

whats a matter with posting the demographics of city... just shows the break down of the population there..Again, what is your point?

Why are you so afraid to explain yourself?

[BRHornet45]

I better watch out I might be labeled a racist for pointing out the demographics of St. Louis...

yep son ... you gotta be careful on here with all of these blind Obama sheep around. don't you dare say ANYTHING negative towards their Messiah or his worshipers or you WILL be labeled a racist!!!

[Purple & Gold]

Who is ducks? What's the backstory on this guy?

He's from Yuma. It's not his fault.

[ChumpDumper]

The demographics of the metro area

http://www.stlrcga.org/x1832.xml

So again -- what point are you trying to make when you post the demographics of the city of St. Louis alone?

[GuerillaBlack]

yep son ... you gotta be careful on here with all of these blind Obama sheep around. don't you dare say ANYTHING negative towards their Messiah or his worshipers or you WILL be labeled a racist!!!

What they're posting has nothing to do with Obama. They're posting the City of St. Louis demographics for some weird reason. What does the city demographics have to do with anything, when there are more than one and a half million people (on the Missouri side) of St. Louis' metro.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yeah and? Palin would have brought in 110,000 and they all would have been chanting "drill baby drill."

Or 'off with his head..'

[Anti.Hero]

Holy shit!

I don't know if I should be impressed or scared! :lol

[BRHornet45]

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[Mr. Peabody]

175,000 people came out to see Obama today.:wow:wow:wow


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Posted on Sat, Oct. 18, 2008
Huge crowds turn out at Obama rallies: 100,000 in St. Louis, 75,000 in Kansas City
By MARGARET TALEV AND WILLIAM DOUGLAS
Democrat Barack Obama turned out enormous crowds at his two stops in battleground Missouri on Saturday in what campaign aides said was a strategy of using his ability to command huge crowds as a way to build excitement heading into the final two weeks of the presidential campaign.

An estimated 100,000 people showed up in St. Louis Saturday morning to hear Obama speak at the Gateway Arch - the largest crowd ever to hear Obama in the United States.

Saturday evening, a crowd estimated at more than 75,000 thronged the Liberty Memorial near downtown Kansas City for an Obama rally.

With just 17 days to go before the election, campaign aides said they hope to turn out comparable crowds in other battleground states.

"This is the home stretch and our primary goal is to capture the excitement and energy that's surrounded this race," said Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki. To turn out large crowds, the campaign is choosing outdoor venues with virtually unlimited capacity.

Good weather - like Saturday's in Missouri - helps. Meanwhile, volunteers in dozens of Obama field offices in each of the battleground states are tapping phone and email lists to urge his supporters to turn out for the weekend rallies.

[ChumpDumper]

[awaits demographics of Kansas City, MO, to be posted without explanation]

[Shastafarian]

I was debating going today. Kinda glad I didn't. 100,000 people? Only for a Zeppelin concert please.

[Findog]

And?

The Darkies aren't real Americans like Joe Six Pack and Joe the Plumber. Their votes should count 3/5ths as much as white votes.

[Findog]

The demographics of the metro area

http://www.stlrcga.org/x1832.xml

So again -- what point are you trying to make when you post the demographics of the city of St. Louis alone?

I swear to God this presidential election has set race relations back about 20 years.

[timvp]

I swear to God this presidential election has set race relations back about 20 years.Just wait until he's actually elected.

[Findog]

Just wait until he's actually elected.

Yeah, you're probably right about that.

[TheMadHatter]

I swear to God this presidential election has set race relations back about 20 years.

[Ya Vez]

[awaits demographics of Kansas City, MO, to be posted without explanation]

so obama gets 100,000 out of 700,000 people in St. Louis county... that was the whole point of the demographics post.... :rolleyes

[Anti.Hero]

I swear to God this presidential election has set race relations back about 20 years.

Why do you say this?

His "typical white people" remark?

His "they cling to guns and religion" remark?

Billary saying Obama presidency was a "fairy-tale"?


Libtards pulling the race card any chance they get, race-baiting any chance they get, threatening race riots should they lose, calling white people bitter and racist if they aren't smart enough to vote for Obama...

[florige]

Any of you guys here want to bet that sometime before the election the Repub's will claim that Palin out draws, or comes close somewhere where she is speaking....:rolleyes

[Findog]

His "they cling to guns and religion" remark?

:lmao That remark has SO been taken out of context.


"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them.

"And it's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

He chose his words poorly, but I understand the point he was trying to make, and he wasn't being derogatory.





Libtards pulling the race card any chance they get

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Yeah, the racism emanating from the McCain campaign and its supporters is just a figment of my imagination.




race-baiting any chance they get,

Yes, it's sad that Palin stokes racism


threatening race riots should they lose,

Source for this?


calling white people bitter and racist if they aren't smart enough to vote for Obama...


One need not be racist and bitter to vote for McCain, and plenty of his supporters are voting for McCain over Obama due to policy preferences...but you're a damn fool if you think there isn't a strong current of racism directed at Obama's candidacy from a large segment of the right.

[Anti.Hero]

It amazes me when you post these goons being racist at the rallies. You have been part of the crowd that will call Palin anything under the sun. :lmao She is getting far worse than whatever weaksauce libtards cry about when their BFF comes under fire.

The funny part is not only are you (not you) calling people racist, you're also taking their money :rollin That will be quite the combination.

[Findog]

It amazes me when you post these goons being racist at the rallies. You have been part of the crowd that will call Palin anything under the sun.

I'll call her out for being corrupt (which she is), for being unqualified (which she is), for being divisive and dividing this country into pro-American and unpatriotic America (which she does), and for bearing false witness by saying BHO "pals around with terrorists" (which she does). She deserves every bit of that enmity. What I won't do is dig at her for her private life. If McCain supporters want to say BHO is too inexperienced or too liberal, or make fun of the fact that the more overzealous of his supporters have built up a cult of personality around him, that's fair game to me. What isn't fair game is resorting to racism to decry his candidacy for the Presidency.

What else is ducks and that other poster getting at when they dismiss the crowds he drew today by pointing out that STL and KC have large AA populations? Or when DarrinS posts a thread title "Colin Powell vs Barack Hussein Obama" and omits Powell's middle name but makes sure to include BHO's? Or the fact that so many conservative posters on here want to refer to BHO by his full name but never refer to the other candidates as John Sidney McCain, Sarah Heath Palin or Joe Robinette Biden? That's what I'm talking about when I say that this election is setting back race relations in this country. It's not about being thin-skinned and throwing a hissy fit when Obama detractors make fun of him. I can handle that. I draw the line at racism, and if you can't see how much it has manifested itself in this campaign, you're being willfully blind.

[Anti.Hero]

LOL at unqualified. She hasn't done 20 months worth of studying behind Axlerod & co. She is unqualified.


It's not even fair to you because your type of Obama supporter just doesn't get it. It's cool though. You won, enjoy it.

[TheMadHatter]

Findog, myself, and others who are supporting Obama are well aware of the strong undercurrent of racial intolerance that exists in America. To deny it, dismiss it, or sweep it under the rug is doing a terrible injustice IMHO. It needs to be exposed the way this nation exposed the horrific acts of violence that occurred in the South during the Civil Rights movement.

Comparing this to how Sarah Palin has been ridiculed is the height of stupidity. Congratulations, AntiHero you have posted one of the dumbest things I've ever read on a forum. The criticisms of Palin are of her qualifications to be VP, not because she is a woman. And furthermore, those criticisms are completely valid and fair game.

[Findog]

LOL at unqualified.

If you think she's ready to assume the presidency, that tells me all I need to know about you. If John McCain needed a woman so bad, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Elizabeth Dole and Susan Collins would've been much better choices. It's just not up for debate.



It's not even fair to you because your type of Obama supporter just doesn't get it. It's cool though. You won, enjoy it.

What don't we "get?" I'm just really curious. What makes her qualified to be President? What did I miss in those Couric and Gibson interviews that demonstrated she has a clue? Why can't she make herself available to the press like a normal VP candidate? She's a newcomer to the national stage, and we have a right to learn as much about her and her views as we can before we put her so close to the Presidency...and yet all I know about her is that anytime a non Fox News journalist asks her a question, she descends into babbling incoherence....and spends all of her time on the campaign trail lying about BHO and dividing the country into "us" and "them." Seriously, what don't I get? What are the blinders obscuring for me?

[TheMadHatter]

LOL at unqualified. She hasn't done 20 months worth of studying behind Axlerod & co. She is unqualified.


It's not even fair to you because your type of Obama supporter just doesn't get it. It's cool though. You won, enjoy it.

No, you don't get it. Findog is speaking truth you cannot understand because you don't want to. A part of you realizes your core beliefs about this world are a complete lie, but to deny them would be to deny who you are and your ego will not let that happen.

[Findog]

Findog, myself, and others who are supporting Obama are well aware of the strong undercurrent of racial intolerance that exists in America. To deny it, dismiss it, or sweep it under the rug is doing a terrible injustice IMHO. It needs to be exposed the way this nation exposed the horrific acts of violence that occurred in the South during the Civil Rights movement.

Comparing this to how Sarah Palin has been ridiculed is the height of stupidity. Congratulations, AntiHero you have posted one of the dumbest things I've ever read on a forum. The criticisms of Palin are of her qualifications to be VP, not because she is a woman. And furthermore, those criticisms are completely valid and fair game.

Exactly. It would be one thing to take potshots at her because of her daughter's pregnancy and dig around in her family's bedrooms. That to me is the only equivalent for using racism to demean Obama and his candidacy. Certainly there have been people here and there on blogs who have done exactly that, but it's not coming from the Obama campaign. I think we realize that going into the gutter like that against Palin isn't smart politics.

[timvp]

Findog, myself, and others who are supporting Obama are well aware of the strong undercurrent of racial intolerance that exists in America. To deny it, dismiss it, or sweep it under the rug is doing a terrible injustice IMHO. It needs to be exposed the way this nation exposed the horrific acts of violence that occurred in the South during the Civil Rights movement.What will Obama do as president to "expose" racism? I know you said you feel that you and your fellow Middle Easterners have been treated unfairly under W but what exactly does Obama propose to do differently? If you think simply having a half black man in office is going to magically expose and cure racism, you are beyond delusional.


:lmao That remark has SO been taken out of context. No, actually it's not out of context.


He chose his words poorly, but I understand the point he was trying to make, and he wasn't being derogatory. Obama admitted himself that the quote was unintentionally derogatory. He claims to have totally misspoke, which I will accept for the most part. But you can't claim that people are using it out of context (which they aren't) and that you understood what Obama meant (which you didn't) because even Obama said that it came out totally wrong (which he did).

I have liked Findog in the political forum during this political season but within the last few days, it seems like he has gone so far left that even irrational leftist asshats like TheMadHatter are aligning with him. Troubling :td

[Findog]

Obama admitted himself that the quote was unintentionally derogatory. He claims to have totally misspoke, which I will accept for the most part. But you can't claim that people are using it out of context (which they aren't) and that you understood what Obama meant (which you didn't) because even Obama said that it came out totally wrong (which he did).

I know Obama tried to walk that statement back. And I stated that he chose his words poorly. I think his point was that these people have been screwed over by NAFTA and by regressive economic policies, and when the manufacturing jobs went away, nothing replaced them, DC totally failed them. And when times are tough, people turn to their churches for solace, and to things like guns. Having grown up in Texas, I'm not a stranger to the phenomenon of a strong reverence for the 2nd Amendment, as it is also a source of comfort, because it's part of the ethos of self-reliance. I'm not a mind reader, but I think Obama is basically a decent person, I don't think it's in his bones to condescend to people. His 50 state strategy is part of the admission that for too long the Dems have written off rural America and tried to run up winning margins in the cities. I honestly think this is what he was getting at.

[TheMadHatter]

What will Obama do as president to "expose" racism? I know you said you feel that you and your fellow Middle Easterners have been treated unfairly under W but what exactly does Obama propose to do differently? If you think simply having a half black man in office is going to magically expose and cure racism, you are beyond delusional.

No, actually it's not out of context.

Obama admitted himself that the quote was unintentionally derogatory. He claims to have totally misspoke, which I will accept for the most part. But you can't claim that people are using it out of context (which they aren't) and that you understood what Obama meant (which you didn't) because even Obama said that it came out totally wrong (which he did).

I have liked Findog in the political forum during this political season but within the last few days, it seems like he has gone so far left that even irrational leftist asshats like TheMadHatter are aligning with him. Troubling :td

I see what you're trying to do and it's not really funny. Nobody is laughing.

I'm as much Middle Eastern as you are black.

[timvp]

I know Obama tried to walk that statement back. And I stated that he chose his words poorly. I think his point was that these people have been screwed over by NAFTA and by regressive economic policies, and when the manufacturing jobs went away, nothing replaced them, DC totally failed them. And when times are tough, people turn to their churches for solace, and to things like guns. Having grown up in Texas, I'm not a stranger to the phenomenon of a strong reverence for the 2nd Amendment, as it is also a source of comfort, because it's part of the ethos of self-reliance.That is exactly what he says he meant. And I want to believe that is what he meant.

But you can't get that from his original remark. In that original remark he unintentionally called those people racist and xenophobic in addition to saying they cling to guns and religion. Obama has admitted those remarks are indefensible and he says it has been by far his biggest blunder on the campaign trail.

So yes, you now know the Obama remix of what he supposedly meant but you can't say others are using it out of context or that you can clarify the original statement because that would be so extreme pro-Obama that even Obama would disagree with you. He f'ed up and has since put great effort into repairing that statement.


I'm not a mind reader, but I think Obama is basically a decent person, I don't think it's in his bones to condescend to people.Meh, I like Obama too but you are giving him too much credit. All politicians are dirty. You don't get to that point in modern politics by being squeaky clean. Thinking Obama is some sort of saint is naive and shows that you haven't followed how he's continually massaged his views to win elections ... which is the case with any politician. If being condescending to someone or a group of people would give Obama a better shot at winning the Presidential election, he's smart enough and crafty enough to know what needs to be done. And it's not play Mr. Nice Guy.

Truthfully, if I thought Obama was a naive pushover who doesn't know the tricks to his own trade, I wouldn't feel confident voting for him.

[timvp]

I see what you're trying to do and it's not really funny. Nobody is laughing.Which part did you think was an attempt at humor.


I'm as much Middle Eastern as you are black.At least you admitted it. You shouldn't be ashamed of your own people. That is even worse than anything W could do to you.

But seriously, answer the question that I posed to you. What Obama panacea do you foresee? I've seen you make this claim repeatedly but I want to see what type of reality it is based in.

[TheMadHatter]

I know Obama tried to walk that statement back. And I stated that he chose his words poorly. I think his point was that these people have been screwed over by NAFTA and by regressive economic policies, and when the manufacturing jobs went away, nothing replaced them, DC totally failed them. And when times are tough, people turn to their churches for solace, and to things like guns. Having grown up in Texas, I'm not a stranger to the phenomenon of a strong reverence for the 2nd Amendment, as it is also a source of comfort, because it's part of the ethos of self-reliance. I'm not a mind reader, but I think Obama is basically a decent person, I don't think it's in his bones to condescend to people. His 50 state strategy is part of the admission that for too long the Dems have written off rural America and tried to run up winning margins in the cities. I honestly think this is what he was getting at.

I think most people get that Obama is a decent man, despite the attempts by the loony Right to portray him as some kind of boogey man. His temperament, moderation, and pragmatism is exactly what this country needs for the next 4-8 years. This is why so many conservative intellectuals are jumping ship, they see in him someone who isn't going to make rash judgments, is going to surround himself with the best and brightest, and ultimately help bridge our fractured nation.

[TheMadHatter]

Which part did you think was an attempt at humor.

At least you admitted it. You shouldn't be ashamed of your own people. That is even worse than anything W could do to you.

But seriously, answer the question that I posed to you. What Obama panacea do you foresee? I've seen you make this claim repeatedly but I want to see what type of reality it is based in.

You're sick, get help kid. I'm not Middle Eastern. We're trying to have a rational debate here, if you want to troll take it to PM.

[timvp]

You're sick, get help kid. I'm not Middle Eastern. We're trying to have a rational debate here, if you want to troll take it to PM.Rational debate? An Obama circle jerk where you refuse to answer questions isn't a rational debate.



Findog, myself, and others who are supporting Obama are well aware of the strong undercurrent of racial intolerance that exists in America. To deny it, dismiss it, or sweep it under the rug is doing a terrible injustice IMHO. It needs to be exposed the way this nation exposed the horrific acts of violence that occurred in the South during the Civil Rights movement.

What will Obama do as president to "expose" racism? I know you said you feel that you and your fellow Middle Easterners have been treated unfairly under W but what exactly does Obama propose to do differently? If you think simply having a half black man in office is going to magically expose and cure racism, you are beyond delusional.

I'll try to ask this again. You can't make sensational and unrealistic claims and then refuse to give an answer to a followup question.

[Findog]

That is exactly what he says he meant. And I want to believe that is what he meant.

But you can't get that from his original remark. In that original remark he unintentionally called those people racist and xenophobic in addition to saying they cling to guns and religion. Obama has admitted those remarks are indefensible and he says it has been by far his biggest blunder on the campaign trail.

I can't really argue with that.



So yes, you now know the Obama remix of what he supposedly meant but you can't say others are using it out of context or that you can clarify the original statement because that would be so extreme pro-Obama that even Obama would disagree with you. He f'ed up and has since put great effort into repairing that statement.


I guess my only complaint is that they've made too much hay out of that statement, but that is supposedly fair game in politics.



Meh, I like Obama too but you are giving him too much credit. All politicians are dirty. You don't get to that point in modern politics by being squeaky clean. Thinking Obama is some sort of saint is naive and shows that you haven't followed how he's continually massaged his views to win elections ... which is the case with any politician. If being condescending to someone or a group of people would give Obama a better shot at winning the Presidential election, he's smart enough and crafty enough to know what needs to be done. And it's not play Mr. Nice Guy.

Oh, I don't think Obama is a saint, and I am a bit troubled by the cult of personality that has sprung up around him. I guess when I say that Obama is a decent guy, I think of him the same way as Jimmy Carter, he's about as humane as it gets in national politics. Carter was probably sincere in his religious beliefs and he's done a hell of a lot of good since leaving office, but his hands weren't completely clean when he was Prez. I think Obama is a good man, but I DO think he has cut corners. Serving on the Annenberg Challenge with Ayers is an example of him going along to get along, because I would imagine for an up and comer in Chicago politics, he didn't have the leverage to say he wouldn't serve on a board with Bill Ayers. He hasn't been completely forthcoming on that, and he deserves some criticism for it, but I think the McCain campaign has gone way out on a limb trying to make that more sinister than it really is. And you can't be a complete naif to go up through the ranks of Chicago politics by being soft.


Truthfully, if I thought Obama was a naive pushover who doesn't know the tricks to his own trade, I wouldn't feel confident voting for him.

Most of what has attracted me to Obama's candidacy is that he was against the war from the beginning. I marched against the war from the beginning because I thought it was the wrong war at the wrong time. I would've rather been wrong for the sake of my country, so it's not an ego thing for me. Obama having the judgment to call the war right from the beginning gives me confidence in his intelligence and common sense. The other thing is that he's run a very smart and disciplined campaign. Nobody thought he could get to where he is right now. It's like the Mavericks knocking off the Spurs in the 06 Semis - the Spurs are like the Clintons - they were the brand name with the history of getting it done when it counts, while the Mavericks were untested and inexperienced. I just hope Obama can finish off the job unlike the Mavericks. How he has run his campaign gives me great confidence that he will make a competent president, whereas McCain has just been erratic and all over the place.

[TheMadHatter]

Rational debate? An Obama circle jerk where you refuse to answer questions isn't a rational debate.



I'll try to ask this again. You can't make sensational and unrealistic claims and then refuse to give an answer to a followup question.

Excuse me for not discoursing with the guy who prefaces his posts by trying to denigrate me calling me a Middle Easterner, which I am not, every chance he gets as if it's some sort of slur :rolleyes

You're simply not worth discoursing with. Learn some manners and I may pay some attention to what you say. Until then your posts are getting skipped over like whottt's.

[Findog]

I think most people get that Obama is a decent man, despite the attempts by the loony Right to portray him as some kind of boogey man. His temperament, moderation, and pragmatism is exactly what this country needs for the next 4-8 years. This is why so many conservative intellectuals are jumping ship, they see in him someone who isn't going to make rash judgments, is going to surround himself with the best and brightest, and ultimately help bridge our fractured nation.

One thing I will say is that if and when he gets elected, we should move into the role of constructive opposition and hold his feet to the fire. When I watched his nomination speech in Denver, he started going through this laundry list of stuff he was going to do, and to be honest, as a country we don't have the money for everything on his wish list, and Obama knows it. He's making promises he knows he can't keep.

[timvp]

denigrate me calling me a Middle EasternerThat was a pretty racist thing for you to say. What's wrong with Middle Easterners?


You're simply not worth discoursing with. Learn some manners and I may pay some attention to what you say. Until then your posts are getting skipped over like whottt's.

:violin

So basically you can't answer the questions. You couldn't figure out how to say Obama was going to cure racism without looking like a complete idiot. I get that.

Next time, don't make it so easy for me. It's fine if you think Obama is going to cure ills that have plagued all of humanity for thousands of years by simple being Obama. That's great to think in the privacy of your own home. But don't share that opinion without being prepared to be laughed at and you being unable to back it up.

[TheMadHatter]

That was a pretty racist thing for you to say. What's wrong with Middle Easterners?



:violin

So basically you can't answer the questions. You couldn't figure out how to say Obama was going to cure racism without looking like a complete idiot. I get that.

Next time, don't make it so easy for me. It's fine if you think Obama is going to cure ills that have plagued all of humanity for thousands of years by simple being Obama. That's great to think in the privacy of your own home. But don't share that opinion without being prepared to be laughed at and you being unable to back it up.


Sorry timvp is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her.

Seeing as how I am unable to actually ignore you, I'll say this. I'm not responding to you because I can't answer your question, it's because your acting like BRHornet who justs posts random shit to rile people up. If you start acting like an adult I may start paying attention to you again. Until then your posts, like whottt's, will be skipped over.

What's sad is you actually think you have me figured out to be some 12 year old Middle Easterner who is a rabid supporter of Obama. BTW you do realize 12 year olds can't vote right? You couldn't be further from the truth. Hell, I'm not even a registered Democrat. Didn't your mother ever tell you not to make ASSumptions? You're a real winner kid :lmao

[timvp]

Sorry timvp is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her. You are the first person in SpursTalk history to try to put me on ignore. Congrats. Seriously, that deserves props.

I'm honored.


Seeing as how I am unable to actually ignore you, I'll say this. I'm not responding to you because I can't answer your question, it's because your acting like BRHornet who justs posts random shit to rile people up.I post random ish? WTF? I'm asking you to clarify a post that YOU made. You said it and I want more information. How is that trying to rile anything up?



If you start acting like an adult I may start paying attention to you again. Until then your posts, like whottt's, will be skipped over.Asking a question about a post that you made is not acting like an adult? Seriously, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this here internets.

It's not like I'm making a hypothetical or asking you a question out of the blue. I'm simply quoting your own post and asking how it's possible and what you have heard that will make it possible. You can't do it so now you are pretending I'm a troll.

Wow.


What's sad is you actually think you have me figured out to be some 12 year old Middle Easterner who is a rabid supporter of Obama.I know at least one of those three things are correct. I'm pretty sure they are all three correct, although you may have had a birthday recently.


BTW you do realize 12 year olds can't vote right? You couldn't be further from the truth. Who said anything about voting? A 12 year old can be an irrational leftist Obamatard asshat just as easily as someone of voting age.


Hell, I'm not even a registered Democrat. Didn't your mother ever tell you not to make ASSumptions?Again, registering as a Democrat has nothing to do with the issues at hand. You could be an illegal alien and it doesn't change what you are.


You're a real winner kid :lmaoThank you. :tu

[TheMadHatter]

Just cut out the stupid Middle Easterner bullshit and we're cool kid. I don't mind debating with you on the issues, I will not tolerate petty personal attacks. Especially those that are racially charged.

[timvp]

Just cut out the stupid Middle Easterner bullshit and we're cool kid. I don't mind debating with you on the issues, I will not tolerate petty personal attacks. Especially those that are racially charged.Fair enough. Since Obama will be taking office relatively soon, the good news is we won't have to worry about things being interpreted as racially charged because He will fix it :toast

[TheMadHatter]

Fair enough. Since Obama will be taking office relatively soon, the good news is we won't have to worry about things being interpreted as racially charged because He will fix it :toast

I don't believe Obama will solve racism in this country, not by a long shot. What I do believe is that Obama is the type of leader that can help unite this fractured country. We are seeing proof of that with his record crowds and fund raising dollars. His message may not be working on you, but there are a hell of a lot of people in this country that are inspired by him and what he stands for. I personally believe that how a candidate runs his/her campaign is a telling sign of how they will govern. Even you must admit that Obama's campaign is relatively tame in comparison to what we've seen in the last few decades from both parties.

Now I personally don't believe Obama is some sort of messiah or savior. In fact I really don't believe many Obama supporters really do view him in that light. My support mainly comes from the books and writings of his I have read in the last few years. This is a man whose beliefs and views about this world resonate very deeply with my own. I do feel a profound connection to his words that I honestly haven't felt with any candidate in my lifetime. If this makes me an "Obamatard" or whatever you like to throw out than so be it.

[ChumpDumper]

so obama gets 100,000 out of 700,000 people in St. Louis county... that was the whole point of the demographics post.... :rolleyesNo it wasn't. I don't know why anyone would lie after posting something like that.

Just own it.

[Ya Vez]

No it wasn't. I don't know why anyone would lie after posting something like that.

Just own it.

when do you invade...

[Buddy Holly]

so obama gets 100,000 out of 700,000 people in St. Louis county... that was the whole point of the demographics post.... :rolleyes

So those 100,000 were exclusively from one county? Was there some time of heat laser border sounding the county that wouldn't allow people to you know, drive in or fly in or use a train and see him?

[Buddy Holly]

It amazes me when you post these goons being racist at the rallies. You have been part of the crowd that will call Palin anything under the sun. :lmao She is getting far worse than whatever weaksauce libtards cry about when their BFF comes under fire.

The funny part is not only are you (not you) calling people racist, you're also taking their money :rollin That will be quite the combination.

How is bashing Palin for not being intelligent for being a liar and for whatever else, how does that even compare to racism?

Oh, you're just a tremendous moron. I get it.

[JoeChalupa]

Barack on!!!

[LakeShow]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14705.html

75,000 more for Obama in Kansas City

[ducks]

I wonder if they count the same people in st louis and kc

[JoeChalupa]

I guess it is time for McCain to start campaigning with Sarah again.

[timvp]

I don't believe Obama will solve racism in this country, not by a long shot.That's what you insinuated in your earlier post. You said Obama will treat racism like the Civil Rights movement and expose it. That's what I called you out on.


What I do believe is that Obama is the type of leader that can help unite this fractured country. We are seeing proof of that with his record crowds and fund raising dollars.Crowds and fund raising dollars don't have anything to do with solving racism. And those facts alone don't mean much. Bush raised a whole heap of money and you don't strike me as one of his biggest fans. And there are a lot of horrible individuals that drew much bigger crowds . . .


His message may not be working on you, but there are a hell of a lot of people in this country that are inspired by him and what he stands for.It must be "working" on me if I'm voting for him. I just don't see what he's going to do to solve racism.



I personally believe that how a candidate runs his/her campaign is a telling sign of how they will govern. Even you must admit that Obama's campaign is relatively tame in comparison to what we've seen in the last few decades from both parties.Actually, no it's not. He's had his share of attack ads. And every move McCain makes, Obama is right there is hit him with the Bush hammer. Kerry and Gore ran much more "tame" campaigns.


Now I personally don't believe Obama is some sort of messiah or savior. In fact I really don't believe many Obama supporters really do view him in that light.If you don't see it, then you probably aren't qualified to say whether that's how you view him.


My support mainly comes from the books and writings of his I have read in the last few years. This is a man whose beliefs and views about this world resonate very deeply with my own. I do feel a profound connection to his words that I honestly haven't felt with any candidate in my lifetime. If this makes me an "Obamatard" or whatever you like to throw out than so be it.That doesn't specifically make you an Obamatard. I would like to know Obama's plan to expose racism, though. That's an outlandish claim that should be addressed.

Thanks.

[ChumpDumper]

I wonder if they count the same people in st louis and kcWhat does this mean?

[Findog]

What does this mean?

it's ducks. Good luck trying to parse that.

[TheMadHatter]

That's what you insinuated in your earlier post. You said Obama will treat racism like the Civil Rights movement and expose it. That's what I called you out on.

Crowds and fund raising dollars don't have anything to do with solving racism. And those facts alone don't mean much. Bush raised a whole heap of money and you don't strike me as one of his biggest fans. And there are a lot of horrible individuals that drew much bigger crowds . . .

It must be "working" on me if I'm voting for him. I just don't see what he's going to do to solve racism.


Actually, no it's not. He's had his share of attack ads. And every move McCain makes, Obama is right there is hit him with the Bush hammer. Kerry and Gore ran much more "tame" campaigns.

If you don't see it, then you probably aren't qualified to say whether that's how you view him.

That doesn't specifically make you an Obamatard. I would like to know Obama's plan to expose racism, though. That's an outlandish claim that should be addressed.

Thanks.

Your problem timVP is that you insinuate and ASSume things that don't exist.

You assume I'm Middle Eastern because I made mention of how the McCain campaign is using the notion that Obama is a Muslim and Arab as a slur. Funny that Colin Powell made that exact same point today on MTP, does that make him a Middle Easterner? According to your fucked up logic apparently yes.

You also insinuated that somehow I believe Obama will single-handedly solve racism in this country, I never said that. What I do believe is that having positive black role models in positions of power is a good thing for this country, but that is a far cry from saying it will solve racial tensions.

To sum it up, Obama to me isn't the ideal candidate. But he's the best one we got out of all the choices that are left. If he governs from a mindset and belief system that is indicated in his books and writings I think this country will be headed in the right direction. If he takes direction from Pelosi and Reid and becomes a rubber stamp, may God help us all. Lucky for us, I don't think he will.

[timvp]

You assume I'm Middle Eastern because I made mention of how the McCain campaign is using the notion that Obama is a Muslim and Arab as a slur.Actually, no. I figured out you were Middle Eastern because you went on some Bush rant about how he perpetuated hate against Middle Easterners. And the more you bring it up out of the blue, the more I know I'm right.


Funny that Colin Powell made that exact same point today on MTP, does that make him a Middle Easterner?Powell didn't make anything close to the same point. Go watch it again and remember your rant was based on W and also remember that not all Muslims are from the Middle East.


You also insinuated that somehow I believe Obama will single-handedly solve racism in this country, I never said that. How about scrolling back and reading what you said about Obama. Remember the whole "expose racism like they did the South" emo rant? Remember the questions I've been trying to get you to answer for the last couple pages of this thread?


What I do believe is that having positive black role models in positions of power is a good thing for this country, but that is a far cry from saying it will solve racial tensions. Then why did you bring it up as a reason to vote for Obama? And it's pretty damn shallow to be voting for someone partly due to race. Race shouldn't enter into the equation when voting for president.

[ElNono]

Then why did you bring it up as a reason to vote for Obama? And it's pretty damn shallow to be voting for someone partly due to race. Race shouldn't enter into the equation when voting for president.

Tell that to whottt...

[Tully365]

yep son ... you gotta be careful on here with all of these blind Obama sheep around. don't you dare say ANYTHING negative towards their Messiah or his worshipers or you WILL be labeled a racist!!!


the OFFICIAL BRHORNET45 "lets make peace" thread
sons I think we have all said some things that were uncalled for over the last few months debating this election. I first want to offer my apologies to anyone that I may have offended with some of my comments. god bless

[Tully365]

Truthfully, if I thought Obama was a naive pushover who doesn't know the tricks to his own trade, I wouldn't feel confident voting for him.

Are you going to vote in this election?

[TheMadHatter]

Actually, no. I figured out you were Middle Eastern because you went on some Bush rant about how he perpetuated hate against Middle Easterners. And the more you bring it up out of the blue, the more I know I'm right.

Powell didn't make anything close to the same point. Go watch it again and remember your rant was based on W and also remember that not all Muslims are from the Middle East.

How about scrolling back and reading what you said about Obama. Remember the whole "expose racism like they did the South" emo rant? Remember the questions I've been trying to get you to answer for the last couple pages of this thread?

Then why did you bring it up as a reason to vote for Obama? And it's pretty damn shallow to be voting for someone partly due to race. Race shouldn't enter into the equation when voting for president.

The worst thing about you is your arrogance. You assume because you are a moderator that your words should hold more weight than anyone elses. I hate to break it to you kid, they don't.

You are no different than the Bill O' Reilly's and Sean Hannity's of the world. You scream your same misguided points over and over again as if they mean anything. What's hilarious is how wrong you are about my ethnicity and how you continue to bring it up like you know for certain. It's the epitome of hard-headedness and arrogance, it's no wonder you like George Bush.

And yes Colin Powell made the EXACT same argument I did in the post you keep referencing. My point was that this Bush administration and now the McCain campaign have made being an Arab or Muslim an inherently bad thing. This is the EXACT same argument that Powell made.

Thanks for playing. It's really starting to get tiring owning your pathetic moronic ass. Like I said, stick to basketball.

[Shastafarian]

Actually, no. I figured out you were Middle Eastern because you went on some Bush rant about how he perpetuated hate against Middle Easterners. And the more you bring it up out of the blue, the more I know I'm right.


This is whottt level stupid. Congrats.

[LakeShow]

The sharper remarks and tone came as McCain appeared before a weekday crowd of 2,000 in this suburb north of St. Louis, where Obama drew 100,000 on Saturday......

http://www.kansascity.com/445/story/849143.html

[RandomGuy]

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/j/z/1/obama_superman_awesome.jpg