Obama Campaign Volunteer Attacked By Man Screaming About ACORN

[Mr. Peabody]

These negative attacks couldn't possibly incite violence, could they?


Obama Campaign Worker Allegedly Attacked
Victim Talks To 12 News In Exclusive Interview

POSTED: 8:26 pm CDT October 18, 2008
UPDATED: 11:44 pm CDT October 18, 2008
CALEDONIA, Wis. -- Police in Caledonia are investigating the assault of a campaign volunteer as she was canvassing for Senator Barack Obama Saturday afternoon.

In an exclusive interview with 12 News, 58 year-old Nancy Takehara of Chicago says she was going door-to-door when she came across a disgruntled homeowner.

“The next thing I know he’s telling us we’re not his people, we’re probably with ACORN, and he started screaming and raving,” Takehara said. “He grabbed me by the back of the neck. I thought he was going to rip my hair out of my head. He was pounding on my head and screaming. The man terrified me.”

The man eventually stopped and the Caledonia police were called. Takehara was asked if she needed medical assistance, but she was not seriously injured. Instead, she says she was shaken up by the homeowner’s reaction.

“This negative stuff has to stop,” said Takehara. “We’re all Americans. This is all about protecting our democracy, not about attacking each other.”

Takehara was encouraged when she had a message waiting at home from the candidate she is fighting for. Takehara called back and she and Senator Obama talked one-on-one.

Takehara said, “Senator Obama understood… it was wonderful. It made me feel wonderful. It made me feel connected to this government again.”

The Obama campaign did not want to comment on the incident at this time.

Police tell 12 News they are still investigating the case and will forward the complaint to the Racine County District Attorney’s office after it’s completed.

[timvp]

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So the federal investigations on ACORN should stop?

[Mr. Peabody]

?

So the federal investigations on ACORN should stop?

Yes, that exactly the conclusion I was implying. I just didn't know how to say it.

[timvp]

Yes, that exactly the conclusion I was implying. I just didn't know how to say it.This is a shameful incident but I don't see how it's being tied to McCain. ACORN would be in the news whether McCain talked about them or not.

[whottt]

This is a shameful incident but I don't see how it's being tied to McCain. ACORN would be in the news whether McCain talked about them or not.



Dude...it's complete bullshit, if you read all the shit Obama supporters are doing it's not even close.


If you want to put it to the test...I dare you to put a McCain bumper sticker on your car.

[ElNono]

Dude...it's complete bullshit, if you read all the shit Obama supporters are doing it's not even close.


If you want to put it to the test...I dare you to put a McCain bumper sticker on your car.

What are they doing?

[Shastafarian]

This is a shameful incident but I don't see how it's being tied to McCain. ACORN would be in the news whether McCain talked about them or not.

Nawww really? The point they're trying to make is that McCain continuing to bring up the "evils" of ACORN (without much evidence the organization itself is evil) has incited violence among the less informed/hardcore McCain supporters around the country. If you can't see that then you're one of two things. You're either selectively blind or you're indiscriminately blind.

[timvp]

Nawww really? The point they're trying to make is that McCain continuing to bring up the "evils" of ACORN (without much evidence the organization itself is evil) has incited violence among the less informed/hardcore McCain supporters around the country. If you can't see that then you're one of two things. You're either selectively blind or you're indiscriminately blind.Of course that's the point they are trying to make. Can you not read what I said? Try again.

I'm questioning the validity of that point. ACORN would be in the news regardless. Now if he was "pounding her head" yelling about Ayers, this article could have some merit. But to blame McCain for something that has been in the news and has been investigated outside of the McCain campaign is highly questionable.

[Shastafarian]

Of course that's the point they are trying to make. Can you not read what I said? Try again.

I'm questioning the validity of that point. ACORN would be in the news regardless. Now if he was "pounding her head" yelling about Ayers, this article could have some merit. But to blame McCain for something that has been in the news and has been investigated outside of the McCain campaign is highly questionable.

I guess I wasn't clear. I'm saying if you can't see that McCain mentioning ACORN and how evil it is (like in the debate for example) is having a great effect on people's opinions then you're blind.

[timvp]

I guess I wasn't clear. I'm saying if you can't see that McCain mentioning ACORN and how evil it is (like in the debate for example) is having a great effect on people's opinions then you're blind.So ACORN wouldn't be in the news if it weren't for McCain?

[Mr. Peabody]

This is a shameful incident but I don't see how it's being tied to McCain. ACORN would be in the news whether McCain talked about them or not.

I'm not necessarily tying them to McCain or his campaign. I think there is an environment of hate that goes beyond anything the individual candidate or their campaign's orchestrate. For example, when Michelle Bachmann appeared on Chris Matthews and said that Obama was anti-American and that the media should investigate other anti-Americans in Congress, I don't attribute that to McCain or his campaign. She's just an idiot who is trying to feed off the hate and divisiveness that is used during a campaign. Same thing with John Lewis.

My point is that once again, we are filling the atmosphere with fear and hate. These people are anti-American, those people are fascists. These people want your kids to die in Iraq (the Move-On "You Can't Have Him" campaign), those people want to kill your babies. It's poisonous. And once you put this kind of fear into people, they are going to react.

I do realize that ACORN would be in the news regardless. But they are being used as another attack in this campaign. I listened to Hannity talk about how they are undermining democracy to institute a socialist agenda on behalf of the Obama campaign. Given that, how could you not expect people to react? You accuse a campaign and a candidate of threatening democracy, giving advice to a dictator in Kenya, being a secret Muslim, not holding the same views as real Americans (the man in story was screaming "You are not my people"), etc. it generates fear. Fear leads to violence.

We are already in perilous times given the war and the economy. You pile on people's fears, as we are doing this year and they will react.

And maybe, I'm just overreacting to the story, but I have been worried about violence during this campaign and at the end, regardless of which party/candidate prevails.

BTW, I was going to quote Yoda in this post ("Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering."), but I'll save that for another post

[Shastafarian]

So ACORN wouldn't be in the news if it weren't for McCain?

Where did I say that?

[jochhejaam]

Is that really thread worthy news? If so, here's one running the other way;


Obama Supporter Assaults Female McCain Volunteer in New York

As the media fumes over nonexistent hate at Palin speeches, it ignores leftists who go berserk on city streets.

October 17, 2008 - by Oleg Atbashian

While the Democrat-leaning media continues to scare undecided voters with bedtime stories about some mythical angry McCain supporter whom nobody has seen, here is a real district attorney’s complaint documenting an unprovoked assault by an enraged Democrat against a McCain volunteer in midtown Manhattan: “Defendant grabbed the sign [informant] was holding, broke the wood stick that was attached to it, and then struck informant in informant’s face thereby causing informant to sustain redness, swelling, and bruising to informant’s face and further causing informant to sustain substantial pain.”

The overly formal document doesn’t mention this important detail: the victim was a small, quiet, middle-aged woman wearing glasses, and the attacker was a loud, angry man who went into orbit at the mere sight of McCain campaign signs.

On a Monday afternoon, September 15, 2008, three McCain volunteers were holding campaign signs and distributing leaflets on a busy corner of 51st Street and Lexington Avenue. As they were peacefully talking to each other, they were approached by a man who, in the words of the victim, provided the impression of “a rather benign, doughy-looking guy — not a person I would have expected to assault me.”

He rushed towards them, grabbed a McCain sign off a volunteer’s hands, and tore it apart. That didn’t seem enough.

This is how the victim describes it:

I said, “What are you doing? You can’t do that!” And he was red in the face screaming, “You people are ridiculous!” And I said, “Yeah, whatever, but you can’t do that.”
So I reached for the sign that he ripped up, and he grabbed another sign, broke it, and ripped it to shreds. And when I said, “You can’t do that,” he took the stick from the sign and started beating me on the head with it. He broke the skin on my head, he scratched my wrist, and almost broke my glasses, and then he left.
I followed him down the stairs to the subway until I could get the police and I said, “You’re not going to get away with it.” And as soon as he saw the police he immediately went calm. He still had the stick in his hand, and you could see the injury on my face, and he admitted it. He was arrested. He actually said, “I don’t know why I did this. It’s just those signs, and this election, it has me so upset.”
Some people are losing control, and it’s not the people on the right. Never have I seen that behavior with any of the people on my side of the fence. … It’s just not our way. Look at us, most of us have never been protesters. … Do I feel that the left is aggressive and potentially violent? Yes, because we’ve all seen it. I certainly have … firsthand!

What came over him? Probably a hangover after that MSNBC election coverage. He might as well have continued living a benign life if the one-sided media election coverage and the Democratic Party’s scorched-earth propaganda strategy hadn’t turned this New Yorker into an enraged, quixotic attack machine slaying Republican “dragons” in the middle of a liberal city.

I suspect that if the roles were reversed and some angry Republican man had launched an unprovoked attack on a frail, bespectacled, Obama-supporting female the media would have had a field day, never letting this story off the front pages up until the election.

Will the media run with a story of an Obama supporter who went berserk at the sight of McCain signs and repeatedly struck a woman volunteer on the head with a stick?

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-supporter-assaults-female-mccain-volunteer-in-new-york/

[ElNono]

Is that really thread worthy news? If so, here's one running the other way;


Obama Supporter Assaults Female McCain Volunteer in New York

As the media fumes over nonexistent hate at Palin speeches, it ignores leftists who go berserk on city streets.

October 17, 2008 - by Oleg Atbashian

While the Democrat-leaning media continues to scare undecided voters with bedtime stories about some mythical angry McCain supporter whom nobody has seen, here is a real district attorney’s complaint documenting an unprovoked assault by an enraged Democrat against a McCain volunteer in midtown Manhattan: “Defendant grabbed the sign [informant] was holding, broke the wood stick that was attached to it, and then struck informant in informant’s face thereby causing informant to sustain redness, swelling, and bruising to informant’s face and further causing informant to sustain substantial pain.”

The overly formal document doesn’t mention this important detail: the victim was a small, quiet, middle-aged woman wearing glasses, and the attacker was a loud, angry man who went into orbit at the mere sight of McCain campaign signs.

On a Monday afternoon, September 15, 2008, three McCain volunteers were holding campaign signs and distributing leaflets on a busy corner of 51st Street and Lexington Avenue. As they were peacefully talking to each other, they were approached by a man who, in the words of the victim, provided the impression of “a rather benign, doughy-looking guy — not a person I would have expected to assault me.”

He rushed towards them, grabbed a McCain sign off a volunteer’s hands, and tore it apart. That didn’t seem enough.

This is how the victim describes it:

I said, “What are you doing? You can’t do that!” And he was red in the face screaming, “You people are ridiculous!” And I said, “Yeah, whatever, but you can’t do that.”
So I reached for the sign that he ripped up, and he grabbed another sign, broke it, and ripped it to shreds. And when I said, “You can’t do that,” he took the stick from the sign and started beating me on the head with it. He broke the skin on my head, he scratched my wrist, and almost broke my glasses, and then he left.
I followed him down the stairs to the subway until I could get the police and I said, “You’re not going to get away with it.” And as soon as he saw the police he immediately went calm. He still had the stick in his hand, and you could see the injury on my face, and he admitted it. He was arrested. He actually said, “I don’t know why I did this. It’s just those signs, and this election, it has me so upset.”
Some people are losing control, and it’s not the people on the right. Never have I seen that behavior with any of the people on my side of the fence. … It’s just not our way. Look at us, most of us have never been protesters. … Do I feel that the left is aggressive and potentially violent? Yes, because we’ve all seen it. I certainly have … firsthand!

What came over him? Probably a hangover after that MSNBC election coverage. He might as well have continued living a benign life if the one-sided media election coverage and the Democratic Party’s scorched-earth propaganda strategy hadn’t turned this New Yorker into an enraged, quixotic attack machine slaying Republican “dragons” in the middle of a liberal city.

I suspect that if the roles were reversed and some angry Republican man had launched an unprovoked attack on a frail, bespectacled, Obama-supporting female the media would have had a field day, never letting this story off the front pages up until the election.

Will the media run with a story of an Obama supporter who went berserk at the sight of McCain signs and repeatedly struck a woman volunteer on the head with a stick?

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-supporter-assaults-female-mccain-volunteer-in-new-york/

That's pretty terrible. Just as bad as the original post.

[Mr. Peabody]

Is that really thread worthy news? If so, here's one running the other way;


Exactly.

[whottt]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08291/920705-100.stm

McCain campaign office in Port Vue vandalized
Friday, October 17, 2008
The Associated Press
Police are investigating vandalism reported at a McCain-Palin campaign office in Port Vue.

Campaign workers tell police someone threw a brick and a tire through the front plate-glass window of the storefront office in a small shopping center sometime Wednesday night.

Port Vue police say they don't know who smashed the window or what might have motivated them.

Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain and Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama had a nationally televised debate Wednesday night.

The office remained open yesterday. The damage estimate is about $1,000.

[Shastafarian]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08291/920705-100.stm

McCain campaign office in Port Vue vandalized
Friday, October 17, 2008
The Associated Press
Police are investigating vandalism reported at a McCain-Palin campaign office in Port Vue.

Campaign workers tell police someone threw a brick and a tire through the front plate-glass window of the storefront office in a small shopping center sometime Wednesday night.

Port Vue police say they don't know who smashed the window or what might have motivated them.

Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain and Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama had a nationally televised debate Wednesday night.

The office remained open yesterday. The damage estimate is about $1,000.

[whottt]

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?s=9177991

Obama supporter forces mentally challenged man to vote for Obama against his wishes

Mentally challenged man says his vote wasn't right

Posted: Oct 14, 2008 04:50 PM CDT


By Jennifer Emert - bio | email

October 14, 2008

ALBANY, GA (WALB) - There are allegations of voter fraud, as a Dougherty County family claims the vote of a mentally challenged relative was stolen.

They say the adult day rehab program where Jack Justice attends took him to vote, without the family's permission. What's worse is Justice says the person helping him wouldn't cast the ballot for his choice for President.

Jack Justice has been voting since he turned 18. Typically his family takes him to their neighborhood precinct. This time Primus Industries, his adult day rehab program, took him to vote. His family was shocked, but what shocked them more was that Jack claims that his aide commandeered his vote.

"They told me to vote for Obama, I said no I wanted to vote for McCain," said Jack Justice, a voter.

Jack Justice says the person helping him, selected Obama's name. His sister says the family is often asked to sign a permission slips for trips, but for this they were never notified.

"No permission slips, no nothing, he just came home and said he had gone," said Nancy Justice, Jack's sister.

We questioned election officials about the procedure, who say they recall the group coming in to vote and an aide was helping the individuals, but they must sign an oath that they'll cast the ballot however the voter prefers.

"So it plainly says the person should tell the person how they want to vote and then they help them mark it," said Carolyn Hatcher, Dougherty County Elections Supervisor.

Election officials say they can't follow people into the booth to see what happens. We contacted the Albany Area Community Service Board who oversees Primus Industries. They say they do their best to protect the safety, treatment, and care of the individuals in their programs. They also said they'll look into the allegations and conduct an internal investigation if necessary. Nancy Justice is just upset the incident happened.

"For me it was kind of pushing it to the limit there to get him to vote for someone in particular who they wanted him to vote for," said Nancy Justice.

Election officials say the family's only option is to file a challenge to the election results. The Justice's are considering their options.

[Mr. Peabody]

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?s=9177991

Obama supporter forces mentally challenged man to vote for Obama against his wishes

Mentally challenged man says his vote wasn't right

Posted: Oct 14, 2008 04:50 PM CDT


By Jennifer Emert - bio | email

October 14, 2008

ALBANY, GA (WALB) - There are allegations of voter fraud, as a Dougherty County family claims the vote of a mentally challenged relative was stolen.

They say the adult day rehab program where Jack Justice attends took him to vote, without the family's permission. What's worse is Justice says the person helping him wouldn't cast the ballot for his choice for President.

Jack Justice has been voting since he turned 18. Typically his family takes him to their neighborhood precinct. This time Primus Industries, his adult day rehab program, took him to vote. His family was shocked, but what shocked them more was that Jack claims that his aide commandeered his vote.

"They told me to vote for Obama, I said no I wanted to vote for McCain," said Jack Justice, a voter.

Jack Justice says the person helping him, selected Obama's name. His sister says the family is often asked to sign a permission slips for trips, but for this they were never notified.

"No permission slips, no nothing, he just came home and said he had gone," said Nancy Justice, Jack's sister.

We questioned election officials about the procedure, who say they recall the group coming in to vote and an aide was helping the individuals, but they must sign an oath that they'll cast the ballot however the voter prefers.

"So it plainly says the person should tell the person how they want to vote and then they help them mark it," said Carolyn Hatcher, Dougherty County Elections Supervisor.

Election officials say they can't follow people into the booth to see what happens. We contacted the Albany Area Community Service Board who oversees Primus Industries. They say they do their best to protect the safety, treatment, and care of the individuals in their programs. They also said they'll look into the allegations and conduct an internal investigation if necessary. Nancy Justice is just upset the incident happened.

"For me it was kind of pushing it to the limit there to get him to vote for someone in particular who they wanted him to vote for," said Nancy Justice.

Election officials say the family's only option is to file a challenge to the election results. The Justice's are considering their options.

Damn, if McCain can't count on the votes of the mentally challenged, he loses a core GOP constituency.

[whottt]

Voter fraud is funny

[exstatic]

Damn, if McCain can't count on the votes of the mentally challenged, he loses a core GOP constituency.

Damn, you beat me to it. :lol

[Shastafarian]

Voter fraud is funny

Why don't you go cry about it?

[Spur-Addict]

So ACORN wouldn't be in the news if it weren't for McCain?

Picture a fire on any structure, then picture a man pouring lighter fluid onto that fire. I think what is trying to be said is McCain is that man with the lighter fluid. Is the man pouring lighter fluid at all responsible?

[whottt]

Picture a fire on any structure, then picture a man pouring lighter fluid onto that fire. I think what is trying to be said is McCain is that man with the lighter fluid. Is the man pouring lighter fluid at all responsible?

Oh I get it...you mean it's like Obama pulling the race card and insighting racial tension every time his questionable background is brought up?


Or do you mean it's like when Obama tells his supporters to get into the face of McCain supporters?

[Spur-Addict]

Oh I get it...you mean it's like Obama pulling the race card and insighting racial tension every time his questionable background is brought up?


Or do you mean it's like when Obama tells his supporters to get into the face of McCain supporters?

I only meant to clarify the issue, that is my only intention. If you are attempting to paint me as a supporter of a particular candidate you will have a hard time, I support neither.

If Obama has done this then it is analogous if there are pre-exisitng fire like conditions. Now, whether Obama has done these things or not means nothing to me. Why? Again, i support neither.

[whottt]

http://media.merchantcircle.com/25802301/wooden%20privacy%20fence_full.jpeg

[Spur-Addict]

You'll have to excuse me, i'm a bit slow. Could you please explain this gate/fence picture for me please? I wouldn't want to assume anything here. Thank you.

[Shastafarian]

Oh I get it...you mean it's like Obama pulling the race card and insighting racial tension every time his questionable background is brought up?

link?


Or do you mean it's like when Obama tells his supporters to get into the face of McCain supporters?

link?

[TheMadHatter]

Yes, that exactly the conclusion I was implying. I just didn't know how to say it.

:lmao

don't worry, timVP has a bad habit of drawing incorrect conclusions

[BRHornet45]

Lmao

[George Gervin's Afro]

link?



link?

Link? Link? Whott don't need no stinking link!

[ashbeeigh]

Those who have come to think badly about ACORN and that have taken it out on innocent people and those not even involved in newsworthy ACORN stuff (i.e. voter registration fraud) are so dumb.

I received an e-mail on friday from someone in New Orleans (where ACORN is headquartered) in my work e-mail box telling everyone what to do if there is/was a threat of violence. It was scary. Obviously this was sent out mainly to those involved in the registration turmoil, but we aren't immune either.

We've had several semi-prank calls from people asking us to register them and how "mickey mouse" can register. I play along, because of course it's all a load of crap, and nothing has happened in the SA office. But, we are not immune to the crazies that could do something like these above mentioned articles. We had some conservative lady come into the office a few days ago ranting and raving about the controversy and we had show her out the door. All while I was doing my own work (non-voting) related.

[timvp]

My point is that once again, we are filling the atmosphere with fear and hate. These people are anti-American, those people are fascists. These people want your kids to die in Iraq (the Move-On "You Can't Have Him" campaign), those people want to kill your babies. It's poisonous. And once you put this kind of fear into people, they are going to react.I agree with you in theory. I'd be great if the United States could be truly united by following the direction of those in Washington. If everyone in Washington could get along, that would probably have some sort of trickle down effect to the rest of us.

However, that said, wanting that to be reality isn't realistic. All Presidential elections get ugly -- that's just the nature of the beast. In the current climate with a President with a historically low approval rating, a questionable war, a tumbling economy and many other issues facing the country, this election was bound to be fierce.

And really, Obama has McCain backed into a corner. McCain's two options right now are to concede and hand the election over to Obama or to fight by all means necessary. Given his options, I can't blame McCain. If McCain tries any straightforward tactics, all Obama has to do is hit him with the Bush stick and McCain's tactic is a failure.

What solutions would you suggest to curb the negativity? McCain could concede and let Obama win. The US could introduce a few laws to make it illegal to use negative ads. We could turn the media over to the government. Do these sound like better alternatives?

Overall I agree these are some nasty times and it's quite possible something tragic could happen as a result in the coming months but I don't see any better alternatives. Obama backers could call for McCain to rollback the attacks and hand over the election, but that is just as Un-American as the other options.

[TheMadHatter]

I agree with you in theory. I'd be great if the United States could be truly united by following the direction of those in Washington. If everyone in Washington could get along, that would probably have some sort of trickle down effect to the rest of us.

However, that said, wanting that to be reality isn't realistic. All Presidential elections get ugly -- that's just the nature of the beast. In the current climate with a President with a historically low approval rating, a questionable war, a tumbling economy and many other issues facing the country, this election was bound to be fierce.

And really, Obama has McCain backed into a corner. McCain's two options right now are to concede and hand the election over to Obama or to fight by all means necessary. Given his options, I can't blame McCain. If McCain tries any straightforward tactics, all Obama has to do is hit him with the Bush stick and McCain's tactic is a failure.

What solutions would you suggest to curb the negativity? McCain could concede and let Obama win. The US could introduce a few laws to make it illegal to use negative ads. We could turn the media over to the government. Do these sound like better alternatives?

Overall I agree these are some nasty times and it's quite possible something tragic could happen as a result in the coming months but I don't see any better alternatives. Obama backers could call for McCain to rollback the attacks and hand over the election, but that is just as Un-American as the other options.

timVP is exactly right. This is one of the few times I am in complete agreement here. The candidates we elect are a direct representation of our ourselves IMHO. If negative campaigning didn't work then McCain would stop, but the bottom line is it DOES work on a surprisingly large number of voters.

If we want to fix the way politics works in this country and raise the level of discourse then we as a people must reject the two parties and look elsewhere for answers. I'm not holding my breath though.

[Mr. Peabody]

I agree with you in theory. I'd be great if the United States could be truly united by following the direction of those in Washington. If everyone in Washington could get along, that would probably have some sort of trickle down effect to the rest of us.



I think the opposite is true. Politicians go negative because it works. It works because we are willing to believe and in fact, want to believe any negative allegations about those in the opposing party.

It kind of ties in to my post in another thread about the failure of many of us to acknowledge any redeeming qualities about the opposing candidate. I'm just as guilty of it as the rest. We want to believe the other guy is completely and thoroughly flawed so that this is an easy decision. How could you even consider McCain, he'll start another war or keep us in Iraq for 100 years? Obama's a closet Muslim or a socialist (or both!), how can you possibly vote for him?

And hell, if the decision is an easy one, there's no reason to learn anything else about the process or the candidates. That would take effort and we might learn something about "our" candidate that we don't want to know. So there's no reason to question your own candidate's policies, your own party's platform. We can just revel in this superficial level of analysis. I know the other guy is the worst possible thing that can happen to this country and that's all I need to know.

The media feeds these prejudices because it makes things easier for them. We don't need analysis, that takes work. Let's get one guy from the Obama campaign and one guy from the McCain campaign and let them hurl accusations at one another. McCain guy, what do you think? Obama's friends with terrorists. Obama guy, your response? No he's not. McCain's a liar and Bush 44. Thank both of you. Now let us show you this colorful map. Goodnight.

This is what we are left with - ridiculous assertions made by both parties and given a stage by the media. We are satisfied with it because it's easy. I can't read McCain's tax plan in the morning while I'm getting dressed. I don't have time. But it doesn't take much for "McCain has 7 houses" to sink in. I can't figure out the details of Obama's health care plan while surfing the net at work, but I can see a headline on Drudge about Obama being friends with a terrorist or having a racist preacher.

We're to blame. It will be on all of us if shit goes down in the next three weeks or so.







(Sorry, every once in a while I rant about our society)

[whottt]

I agree with you in theory. I'd be great if the United States could be truly united by following the direction of those in Washington. If everyone in Washington could get along, that would probably have some sort of trickle down effect to the rest of us.

However, that said, wanting that to be reality isn't realistic. All Presidential elections get ugly -- that's just the nature of the beast. In the current climate with a President with a historically low approval rating, a questionable war, a tumbling economy and many other issues facing the country, this election was bound to be fierce.

And really, Obama has McCain backed into a corner. McCain's two options right now are to concede and hand the election over to Obama or to fight by all means necessary. Given his options, I can't blame McCain. If McCain tries any straightforward tactics, all Obama has to do is hit him with the Bush stick and McCain's tactic is a failure.

What solutions would you suggest to curb the negativity? McCain could concede and let Obama win. The US could introduce a few laws to make it illegal to use negative ads. We could turn the media over to the government. Do these sound like better alternatives?

Overall I agree these are some nasty times and it's quite possible something tragic could happen as a result in the coming months but I don't see any better alternatives. Obama backers could call for McCain to rollback the attacks and hand over the election, but that is just as Un-American as the other options.


McCain has to run more negative adds because he's only got a quarter of a newtwork doing it for him, as opposed to Obama who has 7 3/4, the internet, and most news magazines doing it for him.

[Shastafarian]

McCain has to run more negative adds because he's only got a half a newtwork doing it for him, as opposed to Obama who has 7 1/2 doing it for him.

I thought Fox was 75% in the tank for Obama????

[whottt]

This message is hidden because Shastafarian is on your ignore list.

Put up or shut up:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107250&page=8

[Shastafarian]

Put up or shut up:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107250&page=8

Or I'll keep posting because I don't care about your ignore list.

[ElNono]

This message is hidden because you're a pussy.



:downspin:

[Anti.Hero]

Shit! Everyone is attacking everyone!

[Mr. Peabody]

Shit! Everyone is attacking everyone!

It's going to get worse.

I thought 2004 was bad, but this year will be much worse.

If Obama wins, some on the right will go apeshit thinking a terrorist is running the country.

If McCain wins, some on the left will go apeshit thinking that McCain and the GOP must have stolen the election from the first Black president.

We're fucked no matter what.

[Anti.Hero]

I don't think it will get bad at all until Pelosi & co. start to push whatever comes to mind.

I keep trying to imagine how shocked I will be if Obama loses. All that money, all that support..for nothing? I can't imagine it.

[Mr. Peabody]

lol yeah.

I keep trying to imagine how shocked I will be if Obama loses. All that money, all that support..for nothing? I can't imagine it.

I actually think it will be worse if Obama loses. There are more people that are emotionally invested in his candidacy.

I want Obama to win, but I'm not going to riot if he loses. I don't actually think McCain is that bad. I thought the world of him in 2000 and am hoping that this iteration of him is just a ploy to win over the base of the GOP. I think he will be more moderate as a President than he's been on the stump.

Just to give you an example of what I'm worried about. During the primary, I volunteered for the Obama campaign at a polling site here in SA as a poll watcher. There were Hillary volunteers and Obama volunteers outside the site. They fought the entire time and at one point, I thought there was going to be violence. People were screaming and cussing at each other. The Hillary people accused the Obama people of misleading voters at to the correct polling location. The Obama camp accused the Hillary camp of coercing people that were in line waiting to vote and we literally had to step between them. It was me and two old ladies that were working to polls that had to calm the situation down. And we were all Democrats!

[RandomGuy]

I think Stewart put it in such a way as to be pretty close to the truth:

McCain, Palin, and their respective campaign created a monster and that monster is turning on them, and is out of control.

They are clearly horrified by what is happening in their nane to be sure, but should have had the good sense to not have sewn the monster together and run electricity through it.

I have managed to sneak secret surveillance footage of Rove with one of his henchmen brainstorming about GOP strategy in the last few days of the campaign:

http://blogs.mcall.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/24/frankenstein.jpg