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Viva Las Espuelas
10-20-2008, 10:09 AM
looks like it may be earlier than what i thought. (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2740534&highlight=countdown#post2740534)


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Biden to Supporters: "Gird Your Loins", For the Next President "It's Like Cleaning Augean Stables"



October 20, 2008 7:35 AM
ABC News' Matthew Jaffe Reports: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., on Sunday guaranteed that if elected, Sen. Barack Obama., D-Ill., will be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by him as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular, decisions.

"Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

Not only will the next administration have to deal with foreign affairs issues, Biden warned, but also with the current economic crisis.

"Gird your loins," Biden told the crowd. "We're gonna win with your help, God willing, we're gonna win, but this is not gonna be an easy ride. This president, the next president, is gonna be left with the most significant task. It's like cleaning the Augean stables, man. This is more than just, this is more than – think about it, literally, think about it – this is more than just a capital crisis, this is more than just markets. This is a systemic problem we have with this economy."

The Delaware lawmaker managed to rake in an estimated $1 million total from his two money hauls at the downtown Sheraton, the same hotel where four years ago Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., clinched the Democratic nomination. Despite warning about the difficulties the next administration will face, Biden said the Democratic ticket is equipped to meet the challenges head on.

"I've forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I'm not being falsely humble with you. I think I can be value added, but this guy has it," the Senate Foreign Relations chairman said of Obama. "This guy has it. But he's gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us."

"There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'," Biden continued. "Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."

Biden emphasized that the mountainous Afghanistan-Pakistan border is of particular concern, with Osama bin Laden "alive and well" and Pakistan "bristling with nuclear weapons."

"You literally can see what these kids are up against, our kids in that region," Biden said in recalling when his helicopter was forced down due to a snowstorm there. "The place is crawling with al Qaeda. And it's real."

"We do not have the military capacity, nor have we ever, quite frankly, in the last 20 years, to dictate outcomes," he cautioned. "It's so much more important than that. It's so much more complicated than that. And Barack gets it."

After speaking for just over a quarter of an hour, Biden noticed the media presence in the back of the small ballroom.

"I probably shouldn't have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here," he joked.

"All kidding aside, these guys have left us in a God-awful place," he then said of the Bush regime, promptly wrapping up his remarks. "We have the ability to straighten it out. It's gonna take a little bit of time, so I ask you to stay with us. Stay with us."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/biden-to-suppor.html

clambake
10-20-2008, 10:13 AM
in 6 months mccain will still be mumbling terrorist and joe the plumber.

boutons_
10-20-2008, 10:33 AM
The Repugs have been, and continue to plant poison pills throughout the federal govt, as if Iraq, Afganistan, and the Repug economy weren't poison enough.

DarrinS
10-20-2008, 10:40 AM
"gird your loins"


Who talks like this?

Viva Las Espuelas
10-20-2008, 10:41 AM
"gird your loins"


Who talks like this?
Chuck lovers.

DarkReign
10-20-2008, 11:07 AM
..I dont even know what the hell "gird your lions" is supposed to imply.

Viva Las Espuelas
10-20-2008, 11:09 AM
..I dont even know what the hell "gird your lions" is supposed to imply.
that's ok. neither does he. i'm anxious for letterman's new bit. it may rival Best Presidential Speeches.

Oh, Gee!!
10-20-2008, 11:12 AM
..I dont even know what the hell "gird your lions" is supposed to imply.


one would be smart to guard one's loins if one was going to be kicked in the crotch.

boutons_
10-20-2008, 11:33 AM
Here's more fear-mongering:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10202008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/america_the_weak_134398.htm

Viva Las Espuelas
10-20-2008, 12:33 PM
Here's more fear-mongering:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10202008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/america_the_weak_134398.htm

way more fear mongering involved coming from a newspaper employee than when it comes from the possible next vice presidential candidate of the "U".S.A.

nice parallel, Gloomytons_
:tu

ChumpDumper
10-20-2008, 12:36 PM
Republicans are seriously trying to accuses someone else of fear mongering?

PixelPusher
10-20-2008, 12:45 PM
So that's what you guys consider "fear-mongering"? I guess we'll have youtubes of crazed and angry Obama supporters shouting "gird your loins!" and "international crisis!" whenever Obama mentions McCain now.

Spurminator
10-20-2008, 12:55 PM
That's so like a terrorist loving Muslim Black Panther to stir up people's fears and distract them from real issues like the inevitable next terrorist attack, Mexican immigrant takeovers and a Communist government.

DarrinS
10-20-2008, 01:25 PM
I invented fearmongering! Heck, I even won a Nobel prize for it.


http://www.danzfamily.com/archives/blogphotos/07/759-al-gore-fire.jpg

DarrinS
10-20-2008, 01:27 PM
So that's what you guys consider "fear-mongering"? I guess we'll have youtubes of crazed and angry Obama supporters shouting "gird your loins!" and "international crisis!" whenever Obama mentions McCain now.



"McCain == Bush" -- Obama's number one selling point.

boutons_
10-20-2008, 01:41 PM
"McCain == Bush"

which is true, McNasty's even worse.

otoh, Repug fear-mongering is pure bullshit, like WMD, Saddam/AQ, Saddam/terror, Saddam/mushroom clouds

DarrinS
10-20-2008, 01:43 PM
"McCain == Bush"

which is true, McNasty's even worse.

otoh, Repug fear-mongering is pure bullshit, like WMD, Saddam/AQ, Saddam/terror, Saddam/mushroom clouds


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PixelPusher
10-20-2008, 01:52 PM
"McCain == Bush" -- Obama's number one selling point.

actually it's "McCain = 90% Bush"

PluoMotgl2w

Was McCain lying?

Buddy Holly
10-20-2008, 01:53 PM
"I voted with the president over 90% of the time..."

He says that so proudly too.

Viva Las Espuelas
10-21-2008, 10:21 AM
i read this article and saw this on youtube later on and i'm just wondering what in the hell is this 36yr veteran of the Senate exactly trying to lay out in this statement. is he apologizing in advance? warning us of obamessiah's shortcomings? the same shortcomings he pointed out in the primary debate.
i see double standards in both campaigns and can't believe no one else see's this. at least i haven't come across it.

ElNono
10-21-2008, 11:46 AM
i read this article and saw this on youtube later on and i'm just wondering what in the hell is this 36yr veteran of the Senate exactly trying to lay out in this statement. is he apologizing in advance? warning us of obamessiah's shortcomings? the same shortcomings he pointed out in the primary debate. i see double standards in both campaigns and can't believe no one else see's this. at least i haven't come across it.

Are you talking about Biden or McCain?

Viva Las Espuelas
10-21-2008, 12:22 PM
Are you talking about Biden or McCain?
initially it's about Biden since he's the only 36yr veteran senator that's running and i'm questioning both parties hence
both campaigns
when it comes to double standards.

Viva Las Espuelas
10-22-2008, 04:57 PM
"rhetorical flourishes"

Tully365
10-22-2008, 05:02 PM
Ho-hum. The Augean stables aren't nearly as dirty as they used to be.