Hypothetical VP Question

[timvp]

Let's say Obama really wanted to make a splash to show how he was all about change and prove he wanted to end partisanship. To do so, he picked a little known Republican governor from Alaska. In response, McCain decided to follow a similar road and selected a Democratic Senator from Delaware.

Would your Presidential vote be altered?

Thank you.

[romad_20]

Of course it would be. Palin is the main reason I McCain won't get my vote. That, and the fact he's sold his soul to win this nomination.

Also, I'm still thinking writing in Ron Paul but it does feel like such a wasted vote. I think I might sit out the presidential or maybe I make a gut decision in the booth.

[Nbadan]

...had to fight the temptation to pick ass-hat...

[tp2021]

Of course it would be. Palin is the main reason I McCain won't get my vote. That, and the fact he's sold his soul to win this nomination.

Did he sell it to Obama?

[anakha]

Just an input from a non-American...

If that scenario were to play out, Obama's decision would have been a worse one than McCain's - if only because of the incompetence of that particular Alaskan governor to assume the VP position.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I'd switch.

[LnGrrrR]

Let's say Obama really wanted to make a splash to show how he was all about change and prove he wanted to end partisanship. To do so, he picked a little known Republican governor from Alaska. In response, McCain decided to follow a similar road and selected a Democratic Senator from Delaware.

Would your Presidential vote be altered?

Thank you.

You don't have "Become completely apathetical and not vote/vote third party" on there. Which, incidentally, is probably the same choices as a "What if Hillary Clinton got chosen as the Dem candidate?"

[timvp]

You don't have "Become completely apathetical and not vote/vote third party" on there. Which, incidentally, is probably the same choices as a "What if Hillary Clinton got chosen as the Dem candidate?"I didn't want to give an easy out :hat

[Mr. Peabody]

Let's say Obama really wanted to make a splash to show how he was all about change and prove he wanted to end partisanship. To do so, he picked a little known Republican governor from Alaska. In response, McCain decided to follow a similar road and selected a Democratic Senator from Delaware.

Would your Presidential vote be altered?

Thank you.

I'm assuming the governor from Alaska is not necessarily Palin, right?

I was actually hoping that Obama would consider a moderate Republican for his ticket. What better way to show post-partisanship than to pick someone from outside your party. His pick was very traditional - a party pick that shored up his perceived weaknesses.

I also though McCain was going to go outside the party and pick Liberman. I think if he had picked Lieberman he would have won the independent vote and would be polling better right now. I'll tell you what though, there was briefly some talk early in the process that McCain might consider John Kerry as a running mate. If that had happened, I may have voted for McCain over Obama.

I don't know that your hypo would have necessarily altered my vote, but I think it would have won McCain the election.

[timvp]

I'm assuming the governor from Alaska is not necessarily Palin, right? I should have clarified. I do specifically mean a McCain/Biden ticket versus a Obama/Palin ticket.

[boutons_]

pitbull bitch selectd as HUSSEIN's VP would be a huge error by HUSSEIN, but HUSSEIN would be still vastly superior, prefereble to McMakesUpShit.

But McBottomGun has shown repeatedly that he is fucked up, no principles, and truly stupid to expect people to believe his insane shit (eg, ACORN is going to destroy America).

The guy is fucking nuts, stumbling from one day to the next, even stumbling randomly from one sentence to the next. pitbull bitch is now seen as huge fiasco, a critically fatal decision, dragging him down worse that his dubya connection. Biden as McSame's VP wouldn't upgrade McLiar in the least.

[timvp]

I don't know that your hypo would have necessarily altered my vote, but I think it would have won McCain the election.Oh and I do disagree with this. Palin was McCain's hail mary pass looking for a miracle. If he would have went with a standard pick, even a moderate Democrat, I still think he gets easily beaten by Obama. Obama was winning this with or without the Palin factor.

[Shastafarian]

Oh and I do disagree with this. Palin was McCain's hail mary pass looking for a miracle. If he would have went with a standard pick, even a moderate Democrat, I still think he gets easily beaten by Obama. Obama was winning this with or without the Palin factor.

Even if Obama picked Palin as his VP? That would've lost him the election. No doubt about it.

[CuckingFunt]

I should have clarified. I do specifically mean a McCain/Biden ticket versus a Obama/Palin ticket.

That was my question, too, but since you're talking about a straight swap, I wouldn't vote for either.

McCain is far enough away from my beliefs that I couldn't support him as president regardless his VP, and picking Palin as a VP would be enough to scare me away from Obama. Not necessarily because I'd be concerned she'd suddenly be running the country, but because I'd have real difficulties supporting such an obvious stunt as picking a MILF running mate with beliefs/policies diametrically opposed to your own.

[timvp]

Even if Obama picked Palin as his VP? That would've lost him the election. No doubt about it.Eh, I don't know about that. I don't think Palin would have gone through the ringer 25 times per day if Obama were there to deflect. McCain being next to Palin just exacerbates her weaknesses.

[Mr. Peabody]

I should have clarified. I do specifically mean a McCain/Biden ticket versus a Obama/Palin ticket.

Ha. Yeah. I may have voted for McCain in that scenario. I liked McCain before he started moving right and him selecting Biden would have convinced me that he is the same guy I thought he was. Also, I think McCain could select a Joe Biden and it wouldn't be entirely out of character for him. If Obama selected Palin, I would really have to wonder if he knew what the hell he was doing. In other words, I think McCain is closer to Biden politically than Obama is to Palin. Maybe the fact I could see McCain picking Biden, but not the other scenario, says a lot about McCain as a bipartisan politician. Or it says that Obama and Palin are the bookends of the spectrum in this race.

[timvp]

That was my question, too, but since you're talking about a straight swap, I wouldn't vote for either.

McCain is far enough away from my beliefs that I couldn't support him as president regardless his VP, and picking Palin as a VP would be enough to scare me away from Obama. Not necessarily because I'd be concerned she'd suddenly be running the country, but because I'd have real difficulties supporting such an obvious stunt as picking a MILF running mate with beliefs/policies diametrically opposed to your own.Even if Obama did it with the stated purpose of "uniting all types of varying views under one umbrella on this ticket to prove we can work together no matter what we may disagree on" or something speechy like that?

I think if Obama put the selection in the perfect light, Palin could have hypothetically even helped his cause. Biden was more of a standard, safe pick that probably won't even have a .5% effect on election night.

[Shastafarian]

Eh, I don't know about that. I don't think Palin would have gone through the ringer 25 times per day if Obama were there to deflect. McCain being next to Palin just exacerbates her weaknesses.

I think even if the media didn't got after her as much as they have, enough information (and interviews) would have come out to show how unqualified she is. Put that together with a novice Senator from Illinois, the fact that it would be transparent he picked her for superficial reasons, and he would've been blown out of the water.

[MaryAnnKilledGinger]

McCain picking Biden would have demonstrated a sincerity to honor and serve the entire country. While I would have issues with his policy, a pick like this probably would have helped me believe he was capable of listening to advisers and making appropriate choices. It would have given me enough hope that a more Goldwater type McCain would govern.

For Obama to pick Palin, paired with his previous inexperience would have been a nail in the coffin I couldn't pry out.

Part of what has made this election easy for me is McCain's insane behavior and the Palin pick. I have some pretty serious concerns with Obama's policies, but I'm much more secure in the idea that he will select the best advisors the country as to offer and make decisions sanely, calmly, rationally, and with the best intentions.

[romad_20]

Even if Obama did it with the stated purpose of "uniting all types of varying views under one umbrella on this ticket to prove we can work together no matter what we may disagree on" or something speechy like that?

I think if Obama put the selection in the perfect light, Palin could have hypothetically even helped his cause. Biden was more of a standard, safe pick that probably won't even have a .5% effect on election night.

I don't think her views would be beneficial to that cause, no matter what Obama said.

The McCain/Biden pairing is much more moderate in their views and I think real compromise could come out of it.

[CuckingFunt]

Even if Obama did it with the stated purpose of "uniting all types of varying views under one umbrella on this ticket to prove we can work together no matter what we may disagree on" or something speechy like that?

Yes, even then. There's just too big a difference in their policies for me to buy that.

[MaryAnnKilledGinger]

First black candidate with a female VP chaser? There is a big reason BO couldn't even consider giving Hill the second chair.

McCain and Biden could have spent days feasting on babies and using the American Flag for toilet paper and they'd still have won.

[timvp]

Yes, even then. There's just too big a difference in their policies for me to buy that.Fair enough.

How about gun to your head by a man wearing a Super Mario Bros. t-shirt telling you that you had to vote one or the other? Then what.

Thanks :smokin

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

McCain and Biden could have spent days feasting on babies and using the American Flag for toilet paper and they'd still have won.

I'd have tried to vote for them twice if that was their ground game.

[CuckingFunt]

Fair enough.

How about gun to your head by a man wearing a Super Mario Bros. t-shirt telling you that you had to vote one or the other? Then what.

Thanks :smokin

He wouldn't be allowed to accompany me into the voting booth.

[timvp]

He wouldn't be allowed to accompany me into the voting booth.The local police and the voting personnel would be arm-less so he'd be able to waltz in there with you.

[whottt]

I'd still vote for McCain....but with a hell of a lot less enthusiasm.

[CuckingFunt]

The local police and the voting personnel would be arm-less so he'd be able to waltz in there with you.

Nader.

[CuckingFunt]

I'd still vote for McCain....but only with a semi.

[timvp]

Nader.He then grabs your arms . . .

[CuckingFunt]

He then grabs your arms . . .

And carves a backwards 'B' on my cheek?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I would not vote for either. Palin's non-physical identity is enough to melt away any remaining support I have for Obama, and Biden would make me even more against voting for McCain, so there you have it. Don't get me wrong--I'd still J it to Palin exactly as many times as I have so far to date. I mean--don't get me wrong. It's not about that. But as far as the President vote goes, I'd write in CBF. :smokin

[timvp]

And carves a backwards 'B' on my cheek?With the sharpened tip of your humerus.

[Spurminator]

We would all have a different impression of Palin if Obama selected her to be his VP. Ultimately, though, I think it would seem gimmicky to a lot of voters, and McCain's selection would appear to be more of a true bi-partisan move. I'd probably still vote for Obama but I think McCain would win in a landslide, even though Palin would not be quite the national laughing stock she is today.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

We would all have a different impression of Palin if Obama selected her to be his VP.

Uh, no.

[ElNono]

Well, I still couldn't vote, but I would think McCain wins in a landslide. All the good things that Obama brings to the table, like being well spoken, knowledgeable, calm, thoughtful, etc are completely undone by Palin, who happens to be the exact opposite. Not to mention that people would start doing what they're doing with McCain now, questioning his judgement.
The Palin pick has to be the worst pick I remember (and granted, I might not have a lot of elections to look back to compared to other posters here). I just really, really hope McCain loses badly next Tuesday, so this sends a message that we want more than a hockey mom spouting maverick to represent our country.

[TheMadHatter]

Obama loses in a landslide.

I would vote for neither candidate. If Obama picked Palin it would negate just about all the reasons I am voting for him in the first place.

[SpursFanFirst]

I chose undecided.
As of right now, it's McCain or no one.
Even if Obama chose Palin, I still wouldn't vote for him.

[cherylsteele]

I don't trust all 4 of them so it wouldn't matter one iota.

[timvp]

I would not vote for either. Lame. Show some of that Victorian pride and take a stand.

[Supergirl]

Oops, I voted wrong. I suppose hyopthetically, I'd switch from Obama to McCain because this scenario would indicate McCain was not the pandering douchebag he has turned out to be, and in that case McCain/Biden might be a decent combo, albeit really old. Obama/Palin is a completely ridiculous ticket to conceive of, since they are so ideologically different, and I could never support Obama if he showed such poor judgment and did something like that.

I blame my wrong vote on the ridiculous hour in the morning it is.

[Cry Havoc]

Couldn't vote on this, because I don't know. It definitely would have thrown my vote for Obama into serious question. I probably just wouldn't vote at that point.

[I Love Me Some Me]

A McCain/Biden ticket would hammer away at the complete inexperience of an Obama/Palin ticket, and win in a landslide.

[romad_20]

Oops, I voted wrong. I suppose hyopthetically, I'd switch from Obama to McCain because this scenario would indicate McCain was not the pandering douchebag he has turned out to be, and in that case McCain/Biden might be a decent combo, albeit really old. Obama/Palin is a completely ridiculous ticket to conceive of, since they are so ideologically different, and I could never support Obama if he showed such poor judgment and did something like that.

I blame my wrong vote on the ridiculous hour in the morning it is.

Exactly. This would have reinforced his stance that he does think outside the box and it would be real change, I mean as much as two old white guys with 50 years of Washington politics could.

[DarkReign]

I should have clarified. I do specifically mean a McCain/Biden ticket versus a Obama/Palin ticket.

Then there would be no change in my preference. McCain would have gotten my vote if he had selected Lieberman or the governor from Arkansas? Cant remember who McCain wanted...it was Lieberman and someone else.....goddamnit.

Anyway, yeah, McCain would have gotten my vote with any experienced candidate from either side of the aisle or independant.

It was really that easy. I cant believe I am about to cast a vote that gives one party all the power, thats how much Palin pisses me off as a VP pick.

[DarkReign]

Uh, no.

:tu

[Spurminator]

Uh, no.

I'm not saying we'd all reverse our opinion of her 180 degrees... some would more than others, and many people would still think she's a moron and underqualified. But all of our opinions have been shaped in some way by the coverage of Palin. And before you say I'm blaming the media for being unfair or partisan about Palin, I'm absolutely not. I'm acknowledging that our exposure to Palin in this alternate scenario would be very different, and I'm acknowledging that this would alter our perception of her to some degree.

If Obama selects Palin, she's generally a hero to the Left and a traitor to the Right. Palin scandal is broken daily on the Drudge Report, while Palin puff pieces run on Extra and Us Weekly. Palin gets tough questions from O'Reilly and probably more softballs from Couric. She'd be memorizing Democrat talking points instead of Republican talking points. She'd be answering questions about how her views differ from Obama rather than from McCain, and she'd probably be keeping some of her more extreme conservative views to herself. The Todd Palin separatist scandal gets more play with conservatives and Palin is called anti-American. Black man/white woman jokes. Try to imagine it all. Can you really say our opinions wouldn't be somewhat skewed in such a vastly different universe?

But ultimately, I think the selection of Biden by McCain would cause a lot more Hillary Democrats to vote for the McCain ticket... partly because of Biden, but also because they would be even more insensed by Obama selecting Palin instead of Hillary, which would be much more insulting than Biden over Hillary.

[DarkReign]

But ultimately, I think the selection of Biden by McCain would cause a lot more Hillary Democrats to vote for the McCain ticket... partly because of Biden, but also because they would be even more insensed by Obama selecting Palin instead of Hillary, which would be much more insulting than Biden over Hillary.

First part fo your post, I dont agree with.

This last part...:tu

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Lame. Show some of that Victorian pride and take a stand.

It's true though. My feelings towards Obama have always been lukewarm at best.....It's just that McCain is so damn wrong for this cycle. And I doubt you need me to vote considering the outcome of this poll is most likely exactly how you predicted it would be.

[whottt]

Don't let the fact that Palin's got more experience running governments than Obama, Biden or McCain get in the way of a bad opinion...whatever you do.

[only1wwff]

Don't let the fact that Palin's got more experience running governments than Obama, Biden or McCain get in the way of a bad opinion...whatever you do.

Alaska governments? really...really

[ElNono]

Don't let the fact that Palin's got more experience running governments than Obama, Biden or McCain get in the way of a bad opinion...whatever you do.

A 2 year governor of Alaska... O RLY?
:lmao