Say you are the Boss. Who do you hire?

[ratm1221]

Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

OR

McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899

Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism

[I Love Me Some Me]

What's the job function?

If it's Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces, I'd clearly lean towards the one with military experience.

[Mr. Peabody]

I don't know. From what I hear, Bruce Springsteen is an elitist and prefers East Coast universities.

[ratm1221]

What's the job function?

If it's Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces, I'd clearly lean towards the one with military experience.

That's a scary logic. I've known some dumbasses that were in the military.

[only1wwff]

What's the job function?

If it's Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces, I'd clearly lean towards the one with military experience.

The job description of the Leader of the Free F'ing World includes a lot more than military functions. I don't care if it's Obama or not, I'd like a president who can make a decision and keep their shit together.

[I Love Me Some Me]

That's a scary logic. I've known some dumbasses that were in the military.

Are they all candidates on the list you provided, or were there only two to choose from?

[JoeChalupa]

I don't know. From what I hear, Bruce Springsteen is an elitist and prefers East Coast universities.

:lmao

[I Love Me Some Me]

The job description of the Leader of the Free F'ing World includes a lot more than military functions. I don't care if it's Obama or not, I'd like a president who can make a decision and keep his shit together.

Yes, but in the middle of a war I think the commander-in-chief role takes a little more relevance.

[Trainwreck2100]

Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

OR

McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899

Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism

what's the job? And is this an affirmative action employer cause if it is we'd have to hire the vag or the black guy.

[only1wwff]

Yes, but in the middle of a war I think the commander-in-chief role takes a little more relevance.

Are we always going to be in the middle of a war? War on terrorism? What would you expect a guy with Vietnam War experience to do with that?

[I Love Me Some Me]

Are we always going to be in the middle of a war? War on terrorism? What would you expect a guy with Vietnam War experience to do with that?

We may not always be in the middle of a war, but we are right now.

Are you telling me that relevant military experience is inconsequential to what kind of a leader someone is after their military career is over?

I'm sure a lot of veterans are interested in your answer...

[Drachen]

Yes, but in the middle of a war I think the commander-in-chief role takes a little more relevance.

Unless you have to fund that war.

[only1wwff]

We may not always be in the middle of a war, but we are right now.

Are you telling me that relevant military experience is inconsequential to what kind of a leader someone is after their military career is over?

I'm sure a lot of veterans are interested in your answer...

At what point did I say military experience didn't matter? What I did was question McCain's outdated experience.

And my understanding is that most of McCain's military experience is either flying over the action or getting the snot beat out of him. No where did strategy factor into any of that.

[tonylongoriafan]

the one that is not going to raise my taxes!

[Shastafarian]

Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism

:lol

This makes me laugh every time.

[ratm1221]

Republicans get mad when you point out that their candidates don't have the experience to run a McDonald's much less a country.

"He's qualified because he has military experience." Scary.

[romad_20]

We may not always be in the middle of a war, but we are right now.

Are you telling me that relevant military experience is inconsequential to what kind of a leader someone is after their military career is over?

I'm sure a lot of veterans are interested in your answer...

I agree, as a vet, that military experience is important during wartime but its not everything. I served under a few different commanders (5 I think) during my time in and only one of them was worth a shit. Also its important to consider the fact that you can make up for lack of military experience with a strong cabinet and advisers. Another thing about most people with military background is we are sometimes a little cold and only think about the end result. That's great in some situations but sometimes a little more compassion and a different style of thinking is needed. My wife has taught me this :lol. I think its just as important to have someone that has shown they have good intellect and critical thinking skills. A constitutional lawyer would have that in spades.

[only1wwff]

well put...

[101A]

I am a boss.

It would piss me off that Obama, an applicant with relatively NO experience, TOLD me he got great grades, but wouldn't produce a transcript.

That said, I've never asked for a transcript from a job applicant. I could care less what kind of grades they have. I look at their job history, their accomplishments on the job, and I try to judge their character through a series of interviews (almost impossible - I've hired a couple of people who were great interviewees, but no so good employees; unless, of course I'm hiring a sales person; then the interview is about the only thing that matters - if they can sell themself, they can sell just about anything.

There is almost NO way, in my company, that two people, with such vastly different resumes, would be considered for the same position. McCain would be interviewing for CEO/Obama for a VP, or manager's spot - not gonna give keys to MY company to someone who is not proven AT ALL. Too risky.

BTW; Ex-military generally make fantastic employees.

[ratm1221]

Let's say Obama:

Went to the Navy Academy and graduated 894 out of 899.

Left his first wife because she had an accident was crippled.

Had a wife that was addicted to pain killers and got people to write illegal rx's for her.

Was a member of the Keating-5


Would you vote for him?

[JoeChalupa]

Military experience isn't, IMO, a measure of the ability to be CIC. Nor do I believe college degree's do either. I just look at everything and what kind of vibe I get. Now don't get me wrong...I get great vibes from Palin, they just tend to be below the belt.

[I Love Me Some Me]

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[tonylongoriafan]

Republicans get mad when you point out that their candidates don't have the experience to run a McDonald's much less a country.

"He's qualified because he has military experience." Scary.

i think they get upset when you try to take their money and give it away...cowboy up and get it done

[JoeChalupa]

I am a boss.

It would piss me off that Obama, an applicant with relatively NO experience, TOLD me he got great grades, but wouldn't produce a transcript.

That said, I've never asked for a transcript from a job applicant. I could care less what kind of grades they have. I look at their job history, their accomplishments on the job, and I try to judge their character through a series of interviews (almost impossible - I've hired a couple of people who were great interviewees, but no so good employees; unless, of course I'm hiring a sales person; then the interview is about the only thing that matters - if they can sell themself, they can sell just about anything.

There is almost NO way, in my company, that two people, with such vastly different resumes, would be considered for the same position. McCain would be interviewing for CEO/Obama for a VP, or manager's spot - not gonna give keys to MY company to someone who is not proven AT ALL. Too risky.

BTW; Ex-military generally make fantastic employees.

Now I know why so many college grads can't get a job.

[ratm1221]

I am a boss.

It would piss me off that Obama, an applicant with relatively NO experience, TOLD me he got great grades, but wouldn't produce a transcript.

That said, I've never asked for a transcript from a job applicant. I could care less what kind of grades they have. I look at their job history, their accomplishments on the job, and I try to judge their character through a series of interviews (almost impossible - I've hired a couple of people who were great interviewees, but no so good employees; unless, of course I'm hiring a sales person; then the interview is about the only thing that matters - if they can sell themself, they can sell just about anything.

There is almost NO way, in my company, that two people, with such vastly different resumes, would be considered for the same position. McCain would be interviewing for CEO/Obama for a VP, or manager's spot - not gonna give keys to MY company to someone who is not proven AT ALL. Too risky.

BTW; Ex-military generally make fantastic employees.

They have CEO's in the landscaping business?

[Shastafarian]

I am a boss.

It would piss me off that Obama, an applicant with relatively NO experience, TOLD me he got great grades, but wouldn't produce a transcript.

That said, I've never asked for a transcript from a job applicant. I could care less what kind of grades they have. I look at their job history, their accomplishments on the job, and I try to judge their character through a series of interviews (almost impossible - I've hired a couple of people who were great interviewees, but no so good employees; unless, of course I'm hiring a sales person; then the interview is about the only thing that matters - if they can sell themself, they can sell just about anything.

There is almost NO way, in my company, that two people, with such vastly different resumes, would be considered for the same position. McCain would be interviewing for CEO/Obama for a VP, or manager's spot - not gonna give keys to MY company to someone who is not proven AT ALL. Too risky.

BTW; Ex-military generally make fantastic employees.

So what job would you look at Palin for?

[DarrinS]

Either way, I'd have to hire an incompetent person.

[ratm1221]

i think they get upset when you try to take their money and give it away...cowboy up and get it done

How much money do you make? I'd like to see a percentage of people on this board that talk about getting their money taken away, that make over 200k.

[Mr. Peabody]

Now I know why so many college grads can't get a job.

I don't think he said he wouldn't hire a recent college grad, he just wouldn't make them the CEO.

That's not an outlandish position to hold.

[Trainwreck2100]

Let's say Obama:

Went to the Navy Academy and graduated 894 out of 899.

Left his first wife because she had an accident was crippled.

Had a wife that was addicted to pain killers and got people to write illegal rx's for her.

Was a member of the Keating-5


Would you vote for him?


I'd approve of Obama leaving his first wife and trading up for a blonde

[JoeChalupa]

I don't think he said he wouldn't hire a recent college grad, he just wouldn't make them the CEO.

That's not an outlandish position to hold.

True but you know what I meant.

[JoeChalupa]

I'd approve of Obama leaving his first wife and trading up for a blonde

You mean like Mary J. Blige?

[to21]

BTW; Ex-military generally make fantastic employees.
I agree with this to a point. I've worked with a lot of ex-military employees that were not very productive.

It was usually because they were either too old and set in their military ways or spent too much time in they couldn't separate the civilian life from military life.

[hater]

Well, since Bush did such a great job, I'd hire the mummy and dumb broad

[Trainwreck2100]

You mean like Mary J. Blige?

Thats not trading up

[AntiChrist]

Hire me. I'll give away all your profits.

[Mr. Peabody]

True but you know what I meant.

No, I don't. I thought you were implying that he wouldn't hire a college grad. That's all I took from your statement.

[101A]

So what job would you look at Palin for?


:lol

Easy, cowboy.

Most of our positions (except mine) require attention to detail; not thinking it's her strong-suit, frankly. Her and her husband, apparently, couldn't make a go of it in retail - so her business sense wouldn't impress me. Salesperson, probably - might make an O.K. manager; but my business is 30 employees; not big enough to have managers that don't also get involved in ACTUALLY doing the jobs that the people in their departments are doing - I'm, frankly, the only one who has time to do crap like post on message boards during the day.

Nah, after thinking it through; salesperson is it - probably be good at it; and in most industries, make a hell of a lot more than she does as governor.

[101A]

I agree with this to a point. I've worked with a lot of ex-military employees that were not very productive.

It was usually because they were either too old and set in their military ways or spent too much time in they couldn't separate the civilian life from military life.

Haven't had a military lifer or retiree on staff; usually guys, like I suspect Chalupa is, who were enlisted, did their time, might have re-upped once - dude's work hard, get the job done, and ask for more. They are also more creative in their problem solving than conventional wisdom would suggest (of course, we are talking about a sample size of TWO here). :lol

[Drachen]

So what job would you look at Palin for?


Executive VP of Morale Boosting?

[only1wwff]

She's qualified to be the spunky bookkeeper...

[hater]

Palin could take Dubya's job. Cabinet buffoon

[JoeChalupa]

No, I don't. I thought you were implying that he wouldn't hire a college grad. That's all I took from your statement.

No, that he wouldn't hire Obama. But I've been known to be wrong many times. Oh well, you are Mr.Knowitall. :lol

[ratm1221]

These are the same people that elected Bush for his vast military knowledge. More proof how many repugs there are that will back anyone regardless.

[101A]

These are the same people that elected Bush for his vast military knowledge. More proof how many repugs there are that will back anyone regardless.


I challenge you to find a single post from ANYONE on this board that made that argument.

[JoeChalupa]

I challenge you to find a single post from ANYONE on this board that made that argument.

That is easy since Bush has no military experience..to speak of that is.

[101A]

No, that he wouldn't hire Obama. But I've been known to be wrong many times. Oh well, you are Mr.Knowitall. :lol


I was talking about Obama AND a recent college graduate; relative to McCain, he is.

[ratm1221]

I challenge you to find a single post from ANYONE on this board that made that argument.

It's called sarcasm. Look into it, I think you would enjoy it.

[101A]

That is easy since Bush has no military experience..to speak of that is.

That's what I'm saying; don't know why he said anyone thought otherwise.

(Bush did fly Jets in the guard, however - that is "some" experience) - and, yes, I know why he was in the guard; no one needs to post it.

[101A]

It's called sarcasm. Look into it, I think you would enjoy it.


My detector must be running low; or you're not very good at it.

[only1wwff]

I have a question about this military experience issue. So guys in the military are told what to do and they do it. They get out and make excellent managers...okay. But when it comes to the Commander in Chief, isn't that looking at the military in the broadest sense of the term? From funding to the diplomatic fallout to the PR involved in selling it to the world, and including the overall strategy of the conflict? I don't see how a blanket term like "military experience" can apply here. That's like saying a PFC in for about 2 1/2 years is qualified.

[romad_20]

I have a question about this military experience issue. So guys in the military are told what to do and they do it. They get out and make excellent managers...okay. But when it comes to the Commander in Chief, isn't that looking at the military in the broadest sense of the term? From funding to the diplomatic fallout to the PR involved in selling it to the world, and including the overall strategy of the conflict? I don't see how a blanket term like "military experience" can apply here. That's like saying a PFC in for about 2 1/2 years is qualified.

I think that's the point most were trying to make. Its a component of many good leaders but just having military experience doesn't make a good leader.

[FromWayDowntown]

I only have 2 rules when it comes to hiring people based on collegiate experience -- never trust anyone with a degree from Columbia and never trust anyone who attended more than one college in Idaho.

Can't say that they're very principled rules, but those are my rules.

[ratm1221]

I only have 2 rules when it comes to hiring people based on collegiate experience -- never trust anyone with a degree from Columbia and never trust anyone who attended more than one college in Idaho.

Can't say that they're very principled rules, but those are my rules.

Those are good rules. In addition I don't trust anyone that is left handed or that thinks that it's ok to wear a t-shirt with dress pants.

[only1wwff]

I'd just be happy with a president...and vice president...that don't embarrass the crap outta me. Anyone remember Dan Quayle?

[rascal]

We may not always be in the middle of a war, but we are right now.

Are you telling me that relevant military experience is inconsequential to what kind of a leader someone is after their military career is over?

I'm sure a lot of veterans are interested in your answer...

Yes, just because someone spent time in the military doesn't mean they will make good decisions regarding the military. The president has military advisors anyways so he really doesn't make any decisions anyways without other input.

[Anti.Hero]

This thread is stupid.

[ratm1221]

This thread is stupid.

So you posted in it because?....

[Mr. Peabody]

No, that he wouldn't hire Obama. But I've been known to be wrong many times. Oh well, you are Mr.Knowitall. :lol

:lol
Nice.

No, I misunderstood what you said. My apologies.

[Mr. Peabody]

I only have 2 rules when it comes to hiring people based on collegiate experience -- never trust anyone with a degree from Columbia and never trust anyone who attended more than one college in Idaho.

Can't say that they're very principled rules, but those are my rules.

I don't like fucking Colombians! Okay?
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[Tully365]

I am a boss.

It would piss me off that Obama, an applicant with relatively NO experience, TOLD me he got great grades, but wouldn't produce a transcript.

That said, I've never asked for a transcript from a job applicant. I could care less what kind of grades they have. I look at their job history, their accomplishments on the job, and I try to judge their character through a series of interviews (almost impossible - I've hired a couple of people who were great interviewees, but no so good employees; unless, of course I'm hiring a sales person; then the interview is about the only thing that matters - if they can sell themself, they can sell just about anything.

There is almost NO way, in my company, that two people, with such vastly different resumes, would be considered for the same position. McCain would be interviewing for CEO/Obama for a VP, or manager's spot - not gonna give keys to MY company to someone who is not proven AT ALL. Too risky.

BTW; Ex-military generally make fantastic employees.

I'm a boss too, and have been a landlord, and what I've learned over the years is that it's nearly impossible to judge a person's true character on an interview, or even a series of interviews. People that I was sure would be fine, detail oriented professionals turned out to be irritating nitpickers, and others who I only accepted practically out of desperation have turned out to be absolute gems... it's a strange world out there, and I'm constantly humbled by how long a time period is usually required to truly see someone's real character. A good analogy would be scouting in basketball-- even the experts are routinely surprised and often wrong, year after year.