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1369
10-24-2008, 03:06 PM
Link (http://wcbstv.com/local/isiah.thomas.overdose.2.848132.html)

Fillmoe
10-24-2008, 03:38 PM
lol... knicks fans everywhere are smiling

duncan228
10-24-2008, 03:52 PM
Wow. Ten pills doesn't sound like it could have been accidental. Glad he's okay, hope he gets the help he needs.

xtremesteven33
10-24-2008, 03:54 PM
wow

baseline bum
10-24-2008, 03:54 PM
How hard is it to off yourself? Isiah hasn't been competent at anything since retiring.

Tully365
10-24-2008, 03:58 PM
Wow. Ten pills doesn't sound like it could have been accidental. Glad he's okay, hope he gets the help he needs.

Very strange story. I agree that ten pills doesn't sound accidental, but it also doesn't seem like enough for someone who is really determined to kill themselves. Sad situation...

Ginobilly
10-24-2008, 04:07 PM
Very strange story. I agree that ten pills doesn't sound accidental, but it also doesn't seem like enough for someone who is really determined to kill themselves. Sad situation...

Maybe he has an addiction to sleeping pills and just slightly went over the edge.

SenorSpur
10-24-2008, 04:19 PM
Strange story. As much as he loves himself, it's hard to believe he'd try to take his own life - but you never know.

JamStone
10-24-2008, 04:28 PM
Wow. Ten pills doesn't sound like it could have been accidental. Glad he's okay, hope he gets the help he needs.

Doesn't sound accidental, but also doesn't sound like a suicide attempt. A suicide attempt is 50 pills, not 10.

He's probably been addicted to some form of medication for a while with all the shit he caused and went through with the Knicks. The guy's been through a lot, but can't say there should be much sympathy for him because a lot of it is his own doing and much of it he did with an arrogant and obnoxious bravado.

Certainly want him and his family to be ok.

Allanon
10-24-2008, 05:11 PM
NBA players and managers go through a life of super highs and super lows. I'm surprised more of them don't go the suicide route.

That said, I think it's sad what has become of him.

DPG21920
10-24-2008, 05:23 PM
NBA players and managers go through a life of super highs and super lows. I'm surprised more of them don't go the suicide route.

That said, I think it's sad what has become of him.

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this is what that statement reminded me of!

century
10-24-2008, 05:30 PM
Isiah's always been such a prick.

Indazone
10-24-2008, 05:39 PM
Fired, kicked off the Knicks probably never to have another NBA coaching job or front office job again. I'd say he's hit a new low. Isiah..just go and coach some NBDL team..at least there you can redeem yourself and feel good about life again.

BUMP
10-24-2008, 06:00 PM
interesting. he did go through a lot of shit with the Knicks but he's also a hall of fame player. its sad if thats what people remember him by nowadays. obviously when you see MJ you dont think of what a shitty GM but the best player ever

JamStone
10-24-2008, 06:25 PM
NBA players and managers go through a life of super highs and super lows. I'm surprised more of them don't go the suicide route.

That said, I think it's sad what has become of him.

It wasn't a suicide attempt.

And, yes it's sad what's become of him, but a lot of not most of it is his own doing.

JamStone
10-24-2008, 06:28 PM
Isiah's always been such a prick.

As were guys like Michael, Bird, Wilt and a long list of great players whose competitive nature brought out that side of their personalities. Isiah was definitely a prick, even off the court in many instances, but that's largely how he became such a great player, because he was so tough, and especially for him at his size, to be able to not fear anyone and be a defiant prick to anyone. Unfortunately, that doesn't translate to coaching or a front office job without at least some level of tact and people skills. Isiah learned that much his entire post-playing career.

duncan228
10-24-2008, 06:29 PM
So we're thinking a cry for help or a mistake of tolerence to a drug so he took a couple too many?

JamStone
10-24-2008, 06:58 PM
Irresponsible journalism to be the one to "break" the story. Reports are now that Isiah wasn't the one who took any pills or was rushed to the hospital, but it was his daughter who suffers from hypoglycemia. Don't know what really happened, but a lot of these alleged rumors of a suicide attempt appear to be yellow journalism.

SpursFanFirst
10-24-2008, 07:18 PM
Irresponsible journalism to be the one to "break" the story. Reports are now that Isiah wasn't the one who took any pills or was rushed to the hospital, but it was his daughter who suffers from hypoglycemia. Don't know what really happened, but a lot of these alleged rumors of a suicide attempt appear to be yellow journalism.


Here's a snippet taken from Fox Sports
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8715316?MSNHPHCP&gt1=39002


Police said a 47-year-old man was taken to the hospital and treated for an accidental overdose of sleeping pills at Thomas' home

Harrison Police Chief David Hall told the New York Daily News that the victim had consumed about 10 Lunesta sleeping pills.

"He was unconscious, but breathing on his own," Hall said.

Hall said it was unclear if the overdose was a suicide attempt.

JamStone
10-24-2008, 08:32 PM
And, here are quotes from the ESPN report, coincidentally reported over an hour after that Fox report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3662310


Thomas, according to a report in the New York Post, denied he was the person taken to the hospital, saying it was his daughter, but that "it wasn't an overdose."


"He's fine," Joshua Thomas said of his father, according to the Daily News.

"Reports of sleeping pills are false," Joshua added. "He doesn't take sleeping pills. He doesn't really take anything that's not organic."


And, the same guy that said it was Thomas in that Fox report said this:


Harrison Police Chief David Hall said the case was not a suicide attempt.

"I cannot confirm or deny the identity of the person, but someone was transported to White Plains hospital, and I do not know what happened after that," Hall said.

m33p0
10-24-2008, 09:45 PM
suicide via pills is a woman's way. if a guy wanted to kill himself, it'll be with a bazooka.

lefty
10-24-2008, 09:52 PM
suicide via pills is a woman's way. if a guy wanted to kill himself, it'll be with a bazooka.

:lmao

exstatic
10-24-2008, 10:44 PM
How hard is it to off yourself? Isiah hasn't been competent at anything since retiring.

Damn, I was going to say "yet another post playing career failure."

:lol

duncan228
10-24-2008, 11:08 PM
Thomas denies he overdosed (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/basketball/nba/10/24/Thomas.Knicks.conflicting.ap/index.html)

Spurs Brazil
10-25-2008, 07:39 AM
Conflicting Reports Surround Isiah Thomas Story


Oct 25, 2008 5:49 AM EST
There are conflicting reports about exactly what happened in Isiah Thomas' New York home early on Friday morning, with police saying that a 47-year-old man was taken to the hospital and treated for an accidental overdose of sleeping pills.

According to the report published by the Associated Press, police did not give any names, but did give the age. When reached on his cell phone by the New York Post, however, Thomas said he was not treated, and the call was for his 17 year old daughter, who had a medical issue.

It "wasn't an overdose," he told the newspaper. "My daughter is very down right now. None of us are OK."

Harrison Police Chief David Hall said the case was not a suicide attempt.

"We're classifying it as an accidental overdose of prescription sleeping pills," Hall said. "I'm not going to confirm or deny that it was Isiah Thomas. It was an individual at his home."

Hall told The Daily News that the man took about 10 Lunesta sleeping pills. "He was unconscious, but breathing on his own," Hall told the paper.

Thomas' 20-year-old son Joshua also said it was his sister, not his father, who required treatment.

"He's fine," the Indiana University student told the Daily News. "Reports of sleeping pills are false."
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55065/20081025/conflicting_reports_surround_isiah_thomas_story/

exstatic
10-25-2008, 09:16 AM
Sounds like the family is desperately trying to close ranks and cover for Isaiah. Seems kind of useless, as he is virtually unemployable now anyway. If it was him, he desperately needs help, not a cover story.

21_Blessings
10-25-2008, 10:44 AM
Doesn't sound accidental, but also doesn't sound like a suicide attempt. A suicide attempt is 50 pills, not 10.

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Halfhearted, incompetent suicide attempt, much like his coaching/gmship. Which makes it even more pathetic.

JamStone
10-25-2008, 10:52 AM
Halfhearted, incompetent suicide attempt, much like his coaching/gmship. Which makes it even more pathetic.

Relax. None of us know the true story. Too many conflicting reports. Isiah has denied even taking sleeping pills. He could be lying. But, again, none of us know for sure what went down.

If it was a suicide attempt, then yes, it's pathetic what's become of him. The guy definitely needs some help.

Reggie Miller
10-25-2008, 02:33 PM
So we're thinking a cry for help or a mistake of tolerence to a drug so he took a couple too many?

Speaking as someone who tends to abuse painkillers and the like myself, ten sounds more like someone with a super-high tolerance getting loaded and miscounting.

As others have mentioned, Isaiah isn't exactly on many people's guest list these days. Still, if every asshole in the world committed suicide, I'd get pretty lonely.

EDIT: If there was a gun in that house, statistics indicate he would have been more likely to shoot himself. Men usually avoid pills in legitimate suicide attempts out of fear of not getting the job done.

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10-25-2008, 06:54 PM
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October 26, 2008
Sports of The Times

The Flameout of a Fiery Competitor
By HARVEY ARATON (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/columns/harveyaraton/?inline=nyt-per)

Isiah Thomas (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/t/isiah_thomas/index.html?inline=nyt-per)’s long and still-legendary career in professional basketball has been pockmarked by contradictions and conundrums. With the disturbing news out of Westchester County in New York on Friday of his overdose on sleeping pills, the pattern continued, even in what sure looks like an enforced retirement with the bonus of a paycheck.

There were his best friends in the business uniformly commenting in Saturday’s newspapers that absolutely, in no way, not even thinkable could they imagine Thomas trying to harm himself with prescription medication. And yet these are the people, mostly those who lived in his shadow when Thomas was the little big man of the Bad Boy Pistons (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/probasketball/nationalbasketballassociation/detroitpistons/index.html?inline=nyt-org), who have spent a fair amount of time trying to explain Thomas to the world, and figure him out for themselves.

Who is the man behind one of the most dazzling smiles in sports, capable of charming the venom from a snake? Brendan Suhr, a longtime aide to Chuck Daly and later to Thomas, once told me, “Isiah Thomas is the smartest guy I’ve ever met in basketball.” But how many times over the years has he slithered this way and that way until he outsmarted himself?

Somehow, the most credentialed 6-footer in the history of the sport found himself left off the one-and-only Dream Team for the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. Somehow, the player whose electric talent and colorful leadership helped build a two-time champion and typically sold-out arena in Auburn Hills, Mich., was divorced from that franchise roughly 20 minutes after he could no longer play.

Daly, Thomas’s coach during those halcyon days in the suburbs of Detroit, always said, “This guy could jump out of an airplane and land on his feet.” But even Daly would have to admit that more times than not, and especially in New York, Thomas did not jump. He was pushed hard.

No one, including his friends, can know what Thomas’s true frame of mind has been after so much rancor and ridicule as president and coach of the Knicks (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/probasketball/nationalbasketballassociation/newyorkknicks/index.html?inline=nyt-org). Much of it he contributed to or brought on himself; some of it was over the top, because of the combustibility of James Dolan (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/d/james_l_dolan/index.html?inline=nyt-per)’s Madison Square Garden and the New York stage on which the basketball Big Apple circus plays.

The practical strategy for the newest Knicks savior, Donnie Walsh (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/w/donnie_walsh/index.html?inline=nyt-per), was to gently move Thomas aside last spring, if only because he had three years remaining on his contract, then hope Daly was right, that Thomas could again land on his feet, find another job, and negotiate a buyout.

Not so likely, according to an N.B.A. (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/n/national_basketball_association/index.html?inline=nyt-org) official I spoke to not long ago. How, he asked, does anyone in the pro or college game sell him to the public after all that happened in New York?

Thomas’s Knicks disaster and, most significant, the civil suit for sexual harassment brought against him and won by the former Knicks executive Anucha Browne Sanders has rendered him radioactive. Maybe Walsh sends him on a scouting mission now and then. He probably has much time to ride his bike and hit the golf course, the leisurely life his friends have said he seemed so content with in the wake of this latest episode.

David Hall, the police chief in Harrison, N.Y., in an interview with The New York Times, called the case “an accidental overdose of a prescription sleeping pill” — but quickly added “we aren’t mind readers, so we don’t know why” Thomas took what Hall had earlier said were as many as 10 pills.
Thomas told The New York Post that it was his teenage daughter, Lauren, who had the medical issue. To which Hall responded, “We know the difference between a 47-year-old black male and a young black female.”

If Thomas really used his daughter as a public shield, what can we say about that except, Holy cow? If the chatty police chief’s version of events is accurate, it is understandable why he was annoyed with Thomas for, in effect, calling him a liar. But the point could have been made by saying he knew the difference between a 47-year-old male and a young female. What’s black got to do with it?

Once again, as always with Thomas, we are left with contradiction and conundrum. And the people who care about him — and that includes the fans who fondly remember what he was with a ball in his hands — must worry and wonder what comes next.

Years ago, I co-wrote a book that delved into reports of Thomas’s gambling habits during the Pistons’ championship years. In retrospect, it occurs to me that Thomas is becoming more and more comparable to Pete Rose (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/pete_rose/index.html?inline=nyt-per), who was beloved for so long as the irascible Charlie Hustle, but eventually barred from baseball for continuing the hustle into his postplaying career.

To be a franchise player at Isiah Thomas’s size, he had to be cunning, calculating and occasionally downright nasty. Outside the lines, that was the formula for failure and now perhaps excommunication. For a man of 47, with Thomas’s fierce, competitive nature, who knows what it’s like to live with that?

E-mail: [email protected]

duncan228
10-25-2008, 07:00 PM
Police chief rebukes Thomas, alleges 'cover-up' (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2008-10-25-isiah-thomas_N.htm?csp=34)

duncan228
10-26-2008, 05:20 PM
Isiah Thomas stuns friends with latest news of overdose (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/10/24/2008-10-24_isiah_thomas_stuns_friends_with_latest_n.html)
BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

"Maybe his next job will to join the pro tour," Chuck Daly joked last week. "I heard that he recently broke 90."

As recently as Tuesday, Thomas was telling a close friend about his love of a game that his long-time rival, Michael Jordan, has been trying to master for the past 25 years. In that same conversation, Thomas talked about visiting his alma mater, Indiana University, to meet with new Hoosiers coach Tom Crean and address the team. He would also use the trip to spend time with his youngest son, Joshua, who is a student at IU.

From what his friends could surmise, Thomas was coming to grips with his tumultuous five seasons with the Knicks and was sounding optimistic about his future. What they never anticipated was Friday's shocking reports about Thomas being rushed to a Westchester hospital due to an apparent overdose of sleeping pills.

"I spoke to Isiah (last) Friday and he sounded fine," said Knicks assistant GM Glen Grunwald, who has known Thomas since 1979. "I really don't know what's going on. I just hope everything is okay with him and his family."

Friends, former co-workers and Knicks players all seemed surprised and confused about the day's developments. There have been conflicting reports about whether it was Thomas or a family member who was taken by ambulance to a Westchester hospital Friday morning.

Last night, the Knicks issued a carefully worded statement that read: "Isiah Thomas spoke with members of the New York Knicks organization and is OK. He is dealing with a family matter, and we will have no further comment. He has asked that we respect his privacy, and we will."

Thomas remains under contract with the Knicks and is scheduled to earn $21million over the next three seasons. Knicks president Donnie Walsh, who gave Thomas his first head coaching job with the Indiana Pacers, reassigned Thomas to a scouting/consultant position. Thomas was sent to Europe to scout Italian forward Danilo Gallinari, whom the Knicks selected with the sixth pick in June's NBA draft.

As of last night, Walsh said he hadn't spoken to Thomas since before the start of training camp. Nor could Walsh shed any new light on the story, saying, "I don't know anything about anything, other than what I'm hearing just around the building."

Asked if it was Thomas or another family member who was taken to the hospital, Walsh said: "I don't know. I've heard both versions so I really don't know."

Thomas doesn't have much contact with the players anymore. The News reported in April that he was asked to stay away from the team's training center in Greenburgh. Walsh, who has denied barring Thomas from the facility, admitted that he hasn't seen Thomas in Greenburgh.

Jamal Crawford says that he spoke to Thomas in September, while Quentin Richardson bumped into Thomas and his daughter sometime over the summer.

"Every time I talked to him, he was fine," Richardson said. "The last time I talked to him was right toward the middle to the end of the summer, when he was with his daughter. She was about to go to school and stuff like that. I found out (about Friday's incident) on the way down, coming down to the gym. I can't speak for anyone else, but I maintain a relationship with him. I'm just glad nobody is seriously hurt."

One of Thomas' long-time friends, Detroit Pistons VP Matt Dobek, said he was "absolutely stunned" when he heard the rumors about an accidental drug overdose.

"I heard the story and I said, 'That is not Isiah Lord Thomas III. Never would he do that. Never in a million years. Of course, I am concerned. I've texted him three times and he hasn't responded. If you know Isiah Thomas like I do, you know he would never do that.

"Years ago we went out, a bunch of us, and I saw him drink one beer and he started to act a little goofy. So we were all like, 'We're cutting you off, Zeke, after one. You can't handle it.' And he knew he couldn't. That's why I can't believe this.

"I saw him at the Hall of Fame induction ceremonies for our owner, Bill Davidson, about six weeks ago. I said, what's doing? Isiah said to me, 'Every day I ride my bike and I play golf. Life is good.' He seemed very happy."

duncan228
10-28-2008, 05:49 PM
New details emerge in overdose episode at Isiah's home (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/basketball/nba/10/28/isiah.ap/index.html)

Avitus1
10-28-2008, 07:54 PM
LoL, wow.