Assasination Plot on Obama.......here we go

[lebomb]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27398089/?GT1=43001


This does not look good at all.................................... :depressed

[Slomo]

Sky News (British 24/7 news channel) is reporting a breaking news that the U.S. Government is saying they have disrupted a plot to assassinate Barack Obama (they are citing A.P.).

Any truth in that?

[DarkReign]

no word here...hmmmm....

Its funny, a co-worker of mine already started talking about this scenario. She says, if Barack were to be assasinated, why wait until he wins the Presidency?

He'll never be more vulnerable then he is now. Unless of course one plans to use him as a martyr for another agenda...

[PixelPusher]

Could they be referring to the Denver plot back in August?

[DarkReign]

wrong link, LeBomb.

[lebomb]

Hehehehe..............Slomo posted at the same time.

I personally figured you would see alot of plot attempts.

[lebomb]

wrong link, LeBomb.

I was just showing the headline at the top of the page.

[Findog]

no word here...hmmmm....

Its funny, a co-worker of mine already started talking about this scenario. She says, if Barack were to be assasinated, why wait until he wins the Presidency?

He'll never be more vulnerable then he is now. Unless of course one plans to use him as a martyr for another agenda...

Wait until he's elected. One-third of this country legitimately believes he's some sort of Marxist Muslim Manchurian. Don't ask me logically how that works, but it's pretty scary.

[KenMcCoy]

I wonder if he'll have his own ObamaMobile like the pope?

[PixelPusher]

I was just showing the headline at the top of the page.

"BREAKING NEWS: ATF says it disrupted skinhead plot in Tenn., Ark. to assassinate Obama"

[2centsworth]

I have faith that nothing will happen to Obama.

[RandomGuy]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081027/ap_on_el_pr/skinhead_plot_2

WASHINGTON – The ATF says it has broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a Tennessee murder spree.

In court records unsealed Monday, agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target an unnamed but predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The ATF says it has broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a Tennessee murder spree.

In court records unsealed Monday, agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target an unnamed by predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads.

(This version CORRECTS APNewsNow; corrects word to 'but' sted of by in 2nd graf. Will be led.)

[KenMcCoy]

I seriously hope, for the good of this country, that nothing happens to Obama.

[2centsworth]

I seriously hope, for the good of this country, that nothing happens to Obama.

I can't agree with you more. That is the last thing this country needs.

[DarrinS]

I seriously hope, for the good of this country, that nothing happens to Obama.



If anything happens to Obama, we ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY MUST protect Joe Biden.


http://samuelatgilgal.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/nancy-pelosi.jpg

[Centaur of the Sun]

IMO, I'd put the chances at an assassination attempt on Obama at around 30% or so.

Some racist nutcase, or some religous zealot who thinks he's the anti-Christ..., or some political nutcase who thinks he's the second coming of Stalin.

It's more than likely that there are already plots to kill him that haven't been found out. Whether they are actually able to attempt them is another story.

[implacable44]

I seriously hope, for the good of this country, that nothing happens to Obama.

Are you saying Obama is good for this country ? The United States - the one based on the Constitution ?

[FromWayDowntown]

I have faith that nothing will happen to Obama.

I'd like to have the same feeling. But given the substantial polarization of our society on matters of politics, the seemingly unprecedented rancor of our political discourse as a result of that divide, and the belief (by extremists on both sides) that a win in November by the other would have all sorts of bad consequences that might be avoidable by assassination, I actually fear that something will happen to whomever wins the coming election.

[PixelPusher]

or some political nutcase who thinks he's the second coming of Stalin.



Are you saying Obama is good for this country ? The United States - the one based on the Constitution ?

[implacable44]

Wait until he's elected. One-third of this country legitimately believes he's some sort of Marxist Muslim Manchurian. Don't ask me logically how that works, but it's pretty scary.

1/3 ? Try half. and it isn't believe -- it is KNOW. All you have to do is listen to what he says.. where does wealth redistribution come from ? "from each according to his own ability ..to each according to his own need" ? cutting taxes for 95% when only 60% pay taxes -- that is not a tax cut - that is welfare and wealth redistribution.

[Centaur of the Sun]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081027/ap_on_el_pr/skinhead_plot_2

WASHINGTON – The ATF says it has broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a Tennessee murder spree.

In court records unsealed Monday, agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target an unnamed but predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The ATF says it has broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a Tennessee murder spree.

In court records unsealed Monday, agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target an unnamed by predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads.

(This version CORRECTS APNewsNow; corrects word to 'but' sted of by in 2nd graf. Will be led.)

Obviously Obama supporters who are trying to sway the election even more in favor of him.

Much like Ashley Todd and the people at McCain speeches yelling derogatory words. When will they give up?

[KenMcCoy]

Are you saying Obama is good for this country ? The United States - the one based on the Constitution ?

No, I don't think that an alive Pres. Obama will be good for this country...but as bad as I think he'll be for the US, it'll be 10 times worse if he is assasinated.

[RandomGuy]

PixelPusher beat me to it. :lol

[implacable44]

nope - I dont think he is the second coming of Stalin. I think he is the second coming of Woodrow Wilson with a lot of FDR and a little bit of early days Malcolm X or modern day Farakhan.

[Dre_7]

I wonder if he'll have his own ObamaMobile like the pope?

They can call it the HopeMobile. :lmao

[Findog]

1/3 ? Try half. and it isn't believe -- it is KNOW. All you have to do is listen to what he says.. where does wealth redistribution come from ? "from each according to his own ability ..to each according to his own need" ? cutting taxes for 95% when only 60% pay taxes -- that is not a tax cut - that is welfare and wealth redistribution.

[RandomGuy]

1/3 ? Try half. and it isn't believe -- it is KNOW. All you have to do is listen to what he says.. where does wealth redistribution come from ? "from each according to his own ability ..to each according to his own need" ? cutting taxes for 95% when only 60% pay taxes -- that is not a tax cut - that is welfare and wealth redistribution.

:spin

The poor pay taxes, and pay a greater percentage of their income to taxes than the rich do.

[Findog]

:spin

The poor pay taxes, and pay a greater percentage of their income to taxes than the rich do.

That guy is a freeptard.

[KenMcCoy]

They can call it the HopeMobile. :lmao

As in " I HOPE my ass don't get shot while sitting in this stupid thing"??

[PixelPusher]

They can call it the HopeMobile. :lmao

:lol

[RandomGuy]

As in " I HOPE my ass don't get shot while sitting in this stupid thing"??

Ok, that was funny. :lol

[Centaur of the Sun]

1/3 ? Try half. and it isn't believe -- it is KNOW. All you have to do is listen to what he says.. where does wealth redistribution come from ? "from each according to his own ability ..to each according to his own need" ? cutting taxes for 95% when only 60% pay taxes -- that is not a tax cut - that is welfare and wealth redistribution.

Sweet.

I had no idea Sean Hannity was a Spurs fan and posted on these forums. I really lucked out.

Nice to make your acquaintance.

[Centaur of the Sun]

As in " I HOPE my ass don't get shot while sitting in this stupid thing"??
:lmao

[Lee Harvey Oswald]

I'm speechless.

[Bill Ayers]

It was me all along, and I loved every minute of it

[lebomb]

Why is it that "white" people always want to assassinate the president? If they dont like him?

[implacable44]

Sweet.

I had no idea Sean Hannity was a Spurs fan and posted on these forums. I really lucked out.

Nice to make your acquaintance.

Is that you Barney Franks ?

[Bill Ayers]

Why is it that "white" people always want to assassinate the president? If they dont like him?

They should just bomb the Pentagon, or the Capitol, or the NYPD

[implacable44]

:spin

The poor pay taxes, and pay a greater percentage of their income to taxes than the rich do.

In the words of Biden when asked about the reality of Obama being a marxist, "is that a joke ?"

[implacable44]

They should just bomb the Pentagon, or the Capitol, or the NYPD

or just kill their own civil rights leader..

[FromWayDowntown]

I've yet to hear one thing that Obama plans to do that violates the Constitution of the United States. I mean, it's not as if he's proposing warrantless wiretaps or holding people without charges for extended periods of time or anything like that.

[RandomGuy]

In the words of Biden when asked about the reality of Obama being a marxist, "is that a joke ?"

The poor buy groceries. Grocery store uses cash to pay property taxes and corporate income taxes. No property/income taxes, groceries cost less. In essence every customer of every business, is paying the taxes of the business.

This is outside of the way people normally think of things, but is an economic reality.

Same goes for the rent money, and all the other businesses up and down the chain.

Just because someone offers the emotionally appealing "poor people don't pay taxes, pity the rich who do" bits doesn't make it correct.

[implacable44]

I've yet to hear one thing that Obama plans to do that violates the Constitution of the United States. I mean, it's not as if he's proposing warrantless wiretaps or holding people without charges for extended periods of time or anything like that.

that stuff will still go on under Hussein captain - has been going on and was 10x worse when WWilson was in office... read the forgotten man .. liberal fascism , etc... and OHB will attempt to take your guns - based on the needs of the people - and bring back the fairness doctrine.. and in his own words :
"... the supreme court never venntured into redistribution of wealth - ..... the warren court wasn't that radical it didnt break free from the essential constraits that were placed by the founding fathers in the constitution at least as its been interpreted and the warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the constitution is a charter of negative liberties; says what the sates cant do to you - what the federal government cant do to you but it doesnt say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf"

The only thing the federal government must do on my behalf is give me national security -- I will protect my own home if need be - and keep the roads clean and pot-hole free.

[hater]

but, but I thought the antichrist was going to be loved by everyone

[implacable44]

The poor buy groceries. Grocery store uses cash to pay property taxes and corporate income taxes. No property/income taxes, groceries cost less. In essence every customer of every business, is paying the taxes of the business.

This is outside of the way people normally think of things, but is an economic reality.

Same goes for the rent money, and all the other businesses up and down the chain.

Just because someone offers the emotionally appealing "poor people don't pay taxes, pity the rich who do" bits doesn't make it correct.

the rich buy groceries - the rich pay property taxes and corporate income taxes.

[Findog]

that stuff will still go on under Hussein captain - has been going on and was 10x worse when WWilson was in office... read the forgotten man .. liberal fascism , etc... and OHB will attempt to take your guns - based on the needs of the people - and bring back the fairness doctrine.. and in his own words :
"... the supreme court never venntured into redistribution of wealth - ..... the warren court wasn't that radical it didnt break free from the essential constraits that were placed by the founding fathers in the constitution at least as its been interpreted and the warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the constitution is a charter of negative liberties; says what the sates cant do to you - what the federal government cant do to you but it doesnt say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf"

The only thing the federal government must do on my behalf is give me national security -- I will protect my own home if need be - and keep the roads clean and pot-hole free.

This is more your speed. I suggest you go there:

www.freerepublic.com

[Damien]

Damn.

[KenMcCoy]

The poor buy groceries. Grocery store uses cash to pay property taxes and corporate income taxes. No property/income taxes, groceries cost less. In essence every customer of every business, is paying the taxes of the business.

This is outside of the way people normally think of things, but is an economic reality.

Same goes for the rent money, and all the other businesses up and down the chain.

Just because someone offers the emotionally appealing "poor people don't pay taxes, pity the rich who do" bits doesn't make it correct.

Are you saying that rich people don't buy groceries???

Oh, they probably go out to eat all the time thus subjecting themselves to sales taxes (direct), and increased prices for property taxes and income taxes (indirect). This is so much BS...it's the poor people who want all of the benefits of the additional taxes that are levied but they bitch about paying them??? All of the rich people I know send their kids to private schools thus not realizing the benefits of paying their property taxes.

[ElNono]

the rich buy groceries - the rich pay property taxes and corporate income taxes.

Sometimes...

[RandomGuy]

the rich buy groceries - the rich pay property taxes and corporate income taxes.

They do indeed.

But when you make $2,000,000 per year, even if you buy some of the best food available, you could probably spend no more than, say $140 per day or about $50,000 per year.

That makes the rich guy spending about 2.5% of his income on groceries.

As opposed to a someone making $1500 per month, and spending say $250 per month on food, and using up 16% of their income.

As I have said, the poor pay a larger percentage of their income in taxes than the rich do.

And if you want me to pity someone who spends $11,000 on an 11 year olds birthday party, you will be waiting a long, long time.

[implacable44]

give me give me give me -- when did we become a nation of handouts and "rights" Who has a right to health care? to own a home ? a car? When did those things become rights ? Ridiculous.

[DarrinS]

:spin

The poor pay taxes, and pay a greater percentage of their income to taxes than the rich do.


When the IRS takes money out of your paycheck and you get it all back (and then some) at the end of the year, how are you paying tax?


Maybe I don't know your definition of "the poor".


Are you including sales tax?

[TheMadHatter]

blah, blah, blah. i'm a dumb redneck freeptard.

[Bill Ayers]

give me give me give me -- when did we become a nation of handouts and "rights" Who has a right to health care? to own a home ? a car? When did those things become rights ? Ridiculous.

Typical bourgeois capitalist pig.

[Shastafarian]

give me give me give me -- when did we become a nation of handouts and "rights" Who has a right to health care? to own a home ? a car? When did those things become rights ? Ridiculous.

:lol

yeah those stupid things are overrated!

[DarrinS]

give me give me give me -- when did we become a nation of handouts and "rights" Who has a right to health care? to own a home ? a car? When did those things become rights ? Ridiculous.


2008

[Bill Ayers]

:lol

yeah those stupid things are overrated!

You tell 'em!

:toast

[clambake]

the rich buy groceries - the rich pay property taxes
everybody buys food.....dipshit.... and anybody that owns property pays taxes.....moron.

and corporate income taxes.
clearly.....you have no noticable wealth :lol

the president and the rich also gave us nationalized banks and securities after keeping all the money they stole.

thanks for killing capitalism and going socialist.

the fear campaign was meant directly for your kind. it only works on weakness.

[implacable44]

They do indeed.

But when you make $2,000,000 per year, even if you buy some of the best food available, you could probably spend no more than, say $140 per day or about $50,000 per year.

That makes the rich guy spending about 2.5% of his income on groceries.

As opposed to a someone making $1500 per month, and spending say $250 per month on food, and using up 16% of their income.

As I have said, the poor pay a larger percentage of their income in taxes than the rich do.

And if you want me to pity someone who spends $11,000 on an 11 year olds birthday party, you will be waiting a long, long time.


Percentages - well I live in Southlake so I pay a higher proeprty tax % than those folks living in Dallas County or Watauga or Keller. the sales tax is higher in our county than it is in Dallas too. I am in the highest income tax bracket as well. My brother is in the lowest and he pays $0 income taxes - what he pays in for the year - he gets it all back at refund time. He pays sales tax - but a lower percentage than I do.

[KenMcCoy]

They do indeed.

But when you make $2,000,000 per year, even if you buy some of the best food available, you could probably spend no more than, say $140 per day or about $50,000 per year.

That makes the rich guy spending about 2.5% of his income on groceries.

As opposed to a someone making $1500 per month, and spending say $250 per month on food, and using up 16% of their income.

As I have said, the poor pay a larger percentage of their income in taxes than the rich do.

And if you want me to pity someone who spends $11,000 on an 11 year olds birthday party, you will be waiting a long, long time.

The simplest solution to that situation would be for the poor bastard to go out and make more money.

[implacable44]

:lol

yeah those stupid things are overrated!

not over-rated -- but they are not rights

[RandomGuy]

The only thing the federal government must do on my behalf is give me national security -- I will protect my own home if need be - and keep the roads clean and pot-hole free.

That whole FBI think is completely unnecessary. I'm sure the state government of Wyoming could easily handle the multi-billion dollar Russian mafia moving in and setting up a base of operations.

Who needs a Justice department when it comes to taking on a $100billion dollar company? I mean just because they happened to dump a few tons of thorazine into the water table that you draw your city water from, doesn't mean they won't be held accountable.

I'm sure private industry can be perfectly trusted to always inspect planes and train pilots. no company would be pressured to skimp a little here and there.

When a food outbreak kills a hundred people nationwide, 50 different state agencies can be expected to easily comb through hundreds of thousands of leads and find the culprit quickly enough to stop the next outbreak.

:rolleyes

[Spurminator]

Percentages - well I live in Southlake

Now it makes sense.

[Shastafarian]

not over-rated -- but they are not rights


when did we become a nation of handouts and "rights"

I'm sorry. I couldn't hear you over your blaring idiocy.

[PixelPusher]

Man, this thead about an Obama assassination plot sure has implacable44 all worked up.

[implacable44]

everybody buys food.....dipshit.... and anybody that owns property pays taxes.....moron.

clearly.....you have no noticable wealth :lol

the president and the rich also gave us nationalized banks and securities after keeping all the money they stole.

thanks for killing capitalism and going socialist.

the fear campaign was meant directly for your kind. it only works on weakness.

I should stick with my initial assessment and not respond to your illiteracy. Read the whole thread next time anus. I wrote that as a response to "the poor buy food and pay salestax" - but since you don't know how to read - have mommy sound it out for you and get back to me in an hour.

You have no wealth.

The President ? Congress -- Nancy Pelosi - Harry Reid and yes those rich folks gave is nationalized banks and walked off -- free as birds with millions and millions that they stole when they should have been allowed to fail and been put in prison like the Enron / MCI / TYCO folks - but since they gave tons of money to Obamarx, Barney Franks - Charlie Rangel ( how in the blue hell is he not in guilty if Stevens is ?) and the like -- they get a pass.

now go get back to hooked on phonics son.

[RandomGuy]

and when running a large company trying to do business in more than one state at a time, it wouldn't at all be cumbersome to have to figure out 50 different safety codes, 50 different versions of contract law, and then deal with 50 different standards for just about anything you can think of.

It works so well. Just ask the multi-national european companies about having 25+ different electrical plugs...

[xrayzebra]

All I got to say is that I hope the Secret Service, FBI and all the rest stop any
plot to assinate Obama.

First we don't need another martyr, we don't need more holidays and I know
the map makers would love it, reprinting all the maps with Obama's name plastered
everywhere. Cape Obama, just doesn't sound right. Obama International, ah, okay. Obama Ave.
I guess.

[implacable44]

That whole FBI think is completely unnecessary. I'm sure the state government of Wyoming could easily handle the multi-billion dollar Russian mafia moving in and setting up a base of operations.

Who needs a Justice department when it comes to taking on a $100billion dollar company? I mean just because they happened to dump a few tons of thorazine into the water table that you draw your city water from, doesn't mean they won't be held accountable.

I'm sure private industry can be perfectly trusted to always inspect planes and train pilots. no company would be pressured to skimp a little here and there.

When a food outbreak kills a hundred people nationwide, 50 different state agencies can be expected to easily comb through hundreds of thousands of leads and find the culprit quickly enough to stop the next outbreak.

:rolleyes

you didnt read the whole "national security thing" ? Next time I will spell it out for you. My uncle retired FBI. I don't need nationalized banks - I dont need welfare or social security - -my great grandparents didn't need the "new deal" and I don't have any use for the New New deal.

[RandomGuy]

The simplest solution to that situation would be for the poor bastard to go out and make more money.

Indeed it is. Not quite relevant to the discussion of whether or not the poor pay income taxes, but thanks for your input.

[implacable44]

and when running a large company trying to do business in more than one state at a time, it wouldn't at all be cumbersome to have to figure out 50 different safety codes, 50 different versions of contract law, and then deal with 50 different standards for just about anything you can think of.

It works so well. Just ask the multi-national european companies about having 25+ different electrical plugs...

You already have to do that. You hve to have a license in any state you practice in accordance with the guidelines they set in each state. And their laws apply for collection and lending practices. and I dont give a rats arse what Europe thinks - says or does.

[implacable44]

I just hope he loses and goes away.

[xrayzebra]

I just hope he loses and goes away.


Never happen.

[RandomGuy]

you didnt read the whole "national security thing" ? Next time I will spell it out for you. My uncle retired FBI. I don't need nationalized banks - I dont need welfare or social security - -my great grandparents didn't need the "new deal" and I don't have any use for the New New deal.

That is an awful lot to fall under "national security" I guess.

You might not ever need a lifevest or lifeboat when sailing on a ship, but your ticket pays for the cost of those things nonetheless and they are generally good things to have on ships.

[KenMcCoy]

Indeed it is. Not quite relevant to the discussion of whether or not the poor pay income taxes, but thanks for your input.

The poor don't pay income tax...that is easily seen by filling out a tax calculator.

[fyatuk]

The poor buy groceries. Grocery store uses cash to pay property taxes and corporate income taxes. No property/income taxes, groceries cost less. In essence every customer of every business, is paying the taxes of the business.

This is outside of the way people normally think of things, but is an economic reality.

Same goes for the rent money, and all the other businesses up and down the chain.

Just because someone offers the emotionally appealing "poor people don't pay taxes, pity the rich who do" bits doesn't make it correct.

Even ignoring the portion of costs that pay for other people's taxes, you can end up paying way too much in taxes. $0.57/gallon. Nearly $2 on a pack of smokes. 8% on anything but groceries purchased (note, this is all in Texas, varies by state). Property taxes. Income Taxes. Payroll taxes. Government fees on vehicle registrations, telecommunications, utilities, etc. It's all rather insane and really adds up.

Then add in the affect taxes have on prices of goods and services and it just gets more insane.

[clambake]

I should stick with my initial assessment

:lmao no, you should have deleted that.

[RandomGuy]

Ah well, enough threadjacking for one day.

Take care, I have other things to do, than to show yet another vapid, overly emotional conservative why he is both illogical and immoral, despite his claims of moral supremacy.

[RandomGuy]

The poor don't pay income tax...that is easily seen by filling out a tax calculator.

Go back and read through the thread, I have already addressed this.

[KenMcCoy]

Go back and read through the thread, I have already addressed this.


Indeed it is. Not quite relevant to the discussion of whether or not the poor pay income taxes, but thanks for your input.

I think it directly answers what you have stated is the point of the discussion.

*EDIT*
Anyways...I hope he doesn't get assasinated.

[RandomGuy]

I think it directly answers what you have stated is the point of the discussion.

I think you haven't read my earlier posts. ;)

Smell ya later.

[KenMcCoy]

I think you haven't read my earlier posts. ;)

Smell ya later.

So...let me get this straight.

You say that it's OK to tax the wealthy more because the poor pay more as a percent of their income to taxes than the wealthy do. If that is the case, why would you want to further INCREASE business taxes???? By your logic, wouldn't that just increase the indirect taxes on the poor???

And using your same logic, decreasing business taxes would decrease indirect taxes on the poor. Isn't that what the conservatives are always pushing for?

[clambake]

So...let me get this straight.

You say that it's OK to tax the wealthy more because the poor pay more as a percent of their income to taxes than the wealthy do. If that is the case, why would you want to further INCREASE business taxes???? By your logic, wouldn't that just increase the indirect taxes on the poor???

i think it's time we pay the taxes we've always been able to elude.

you're a tax guy. be honest

[baseline bum]

IMO, I'd put the chances at an assassination attempt on Obama at around 30% or so.

Some racist nutcase, or some religous zealot who thinks he's the anti-Christ..., or some political nutcase who thinks he's the second coming of Stalin.



Somone keep an eye on BRHornet45, angel_luv, and Wild Cobra.

[KenMcCoy]

i think it's time we pay the taxes we've always been able to elude.

you're a tax guy. be honest

No company can legally "elude" taxes. A good company will use good "tax planning" to pay as little as is legally mandated.

As long as people are paid for "tax planning" there will always be loopholes. Most of the time it is as simple as words such as "and" instead of "or" in the tax laws.

[Anti.Hero]

If anything happens to Obama, we ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY MUST protect Joe Biden.


http://samuelatgilgal.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/nancy-pelosi.jpg

LOL, I'd take a bullet for Biden!

[ChumpDumper]

So you are pro loophole.

[KenMcCoy]

So you are pro loophole.

I am for reading and interpreting the tax laws.

[ChumpDumper]

I am for reading and interpreting the tax laws.Just say it. You are pro loophole. Your entire livelihood depends on them.

[KenMcCoy]

Just say it. You are pro loophole. Your entire livelihood depends on them.

I am for loopholes, I'm not scared of saying it. Nor, am I scared that Obama will be able to come in and "close" all of the loopholes. It'll never happen because if they close one people like me will find another one.

[ChumpDumper]

I am for loopholes, I'm not scared of saying it.That's why you wouldn't say it. :rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

Both individuals stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt

I don't even know what to say to this.

[TheMadHatter]

I am scum. No wonder I'm Republican.

[KenMcCoy]

Sorry...not getting the roll of eyes.

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry...not getting the roll of eyes.Not surprised.

[KenMcCoy]

MadHatter...answer a question for me. If you agree with RandomGuy's theory on the poor paying more taxes because businesses pass them off to the consumer, why would you support increasing taxes on businesses? Wouldn't that in essence increase the tax on the poor?

[KenMcCoy]

Not surprised.
:rolleyes

[2centsworth]

The poor buy groceries. Grocery store uses cash to pay property taxes and corporate income taxes. No property/income taxes, groceries cost less. In essence every customer of every business, is paying the taxes of the business.

This is outside of the way people normally think of things, but is an economic reality.

Same goes for the rent money, and all the other businesses up and down the chain.

Just because someone offers the emotionally appealing "poor people don't pay taxes, pity the rich who do" bits doesn't make it correct.

so an increase in taxes on people making $250k and on corporations isn't really an increase because they pass the tax increases down to the consumer.

and for a guy who doesn't know the difference between income taxes and capital gains taxes, you sure are one arrogant prick.

[Anti.Hero]

Ken, maybe one day when they hit 65 and still have no money they will understand.

Legally keeping money from Uncle Tax Sam is one of America's greatest past times.

[Duff McCartney]

This thread is pretty freaking pointless. But I guess it's a good slice of the nuts we have in this forum. Gun nuts, anti-tax nuts, and greedy as hell nuts.

Personally...I could make do with a minimum amount of money and I don't care what the taxes are on my income. What I DO care about is that most of the tax money is wasted on bullshit like national defense and social security.

I don't give a fuck about old people. Nor do I care about the national defense. There's no reason that almost fifty percent of our federal budget goes to these two programs when we have a horrible education system.

Nobody who makes more than 100K a year should ever complain about their taxes being too high. Shit what I wouldn't give to make half that much a year. I'd be a happy man forever.

[boutons_]

"when we have a horrible education system."

good education systems, esp appropriate teacher salaries to attract qualified, motivated teachers to put up with asshole kids, cost big money, which require property taxes that people refuse to pay.

You pay peanuts? then expect to get monkeys.

[possessed]

If anything happens to Obama, we ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY MUST protect Joe Biden.


http://samuelatgilgal.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/nancy-pelosi.jpg

Oh, shit! Carol Channing is next in line? :wow

[ducks]

I can't agree with you more. That is the last thing this country needs.

how do you know that?
do you have a crystal ball?
if something happened to him
the election would be on hold

[Anti.Hero]

This thread is pretty freaking pointless. But I guess it's a good slice of the nuts we have in this forum. Gun nuts, anti-tax nuts, and greedy as hell nuts.

Personally...I could make do with a minimum amount of money and I don't care what the taxes are on my income. What I DO care about is that most of the tax money is wasted on bullshit like national defense and social security.

I don't give a fuck about old people. Nor do I care about the national defense. There's no reason that almost fifty percent of our federal budget goes to these two programs when we have a horrible education system.

Nobody who makes more than 100K a year should ever complain about their taxes being too high. Shit what I wouldn't give to make half that much a year. I'd be a happy man forever.

Wanting to keep the money YOU EARN is greedy? Who's the one demanding payment from another man's pocket?

[DarkReign]

LOL, I'd take a bullet for Biden!

:lmao That makes two of us.

[boutons_]

Chris already covered this topic a long time ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auqRgzuLaK8

[MaryAnnKilledGinger]

Wanting to keep the money YOU EARN is greedy? Who's the one demanding payment from another man's pocket?

This is so easy. Any money you earn without using a single public utility or service or any other utility or service which is subsidized, established or in cooperation with the government is money you can keep without any taxation whatsoever.

Of course, we'll be expecting you to give up all your rights to the protections and social services that go along with the taxes you don't have to pay.

Not sure where you're gonna build the corporate headquarters or get electricity from, but I don't think anyone in this country will try and stop you from keeping money you earn without any relationship to the society we call as America.

See. Wasn't that simple? Let us know how it works out.

[JoeChalupa]

Oh, shit! Carol Channing is next in line? :wow

:lmao

[Tully365]

Does any Christian conservative ever stand up at church and yell at the Priest/Pastor/Reverend about the tithing expectations being too high? About survival of the fittest? About maximizing profits being of central importance and caveat emptor?

Jesus of Nazareth was way more of a bleeding heart liberal than FDR could ever dream of being.

Obama is far to the right of Jesus...

[T-Pain]

i honestly think nothing will happen to him. yes there will be plots to kill him, but i think he will not get shot. i think if someone really wanted his head, someone would have fired a bullet at him by now.

[Duff McCartney]

Wanting to keep the money YOU EARN is greedy? Who's the one demanding payment from another man's pocket?

At it's core yes. In a certain sense. Honestly it's not like you are getting paid, just as an example, 500 bucks and the government is taking back 450 bucks in taxes. It's more like they're taking at most 100 dollars. If they are only taking that small of an amount..the rest is cake.

If you're making 50,000 a year and the government takes 2 or 3 grand....what the fuck is that? That's nothing. Likewise if you're making 5 million and they take away a million...what is that? What person can't live with 4 million dollars? Shit I could live the rest of my life with 4 million.

[RandomGuy]

Both individuals stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt

I don't even know what to say to this.

I do.

How wonderfully surreal.

Not quite as surreal as say, giant chicken outfits, but hey, they are idiots with a certain panache. Elan even...

[xrayzebra]

i think it's time we pay the taxes we've always been able to elude.

you're a tax guy. be honest


Hey just write them a extra check if you are so eager to pay them
taxes. They will be happy to accept it.

Dummy

[doobs]

Does any Christian conservative ever stand up at church and yell at the Priest/Pastor/Reverend about the tithing expectations being too high? About survival of the fittest? About maximizing profits being of central importance and caveat emptor?

Jesus of Nazareth was way more of a bleeding heart liberal than FDR could ever dream of being.

Obama is far to the right of Jesus...

Jesus was a bleeding heart . . . in his personal and religious life. Jesus was teaching about how we should treat one another and about how we can be saved. But Jesus also taught that Christians should respect the distinction between personal belief and public life: "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s." (Christianity never seems to get the credit it deserves for providing scriptural support for separation of church and state, but I digress . . .)

I wouldn't be so sure that Obama is to the right of Jesus on political matters. It's a little presumptuous, and I think unproductive, to speculate on the political beliefs of Jesus. For instance, I think it's clear that Jesus commands believers to be charitable, but that's not the same as commanding government to be charitable.

I know this wasn't totally on point, but the Jesus reference made me think a little, you know.

[ElNono]

But Jesus also taught that Christians should respect the distinction between personal belief and public life: "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s." (Christianity never seems to get the credit it deserves for providing scriptural support for separation of church and state, but I digress . . .)


Actually, according to our resident fundamental christian, the meaning of what you just quoted jesus saying is that god instructed his followers to pay taxes.
Nothing more and nothing else.

[doobs]

Actually, according to our resident fundamental christian, the meaning of what you just quoted jesus saying is that god instructed his followers to pay taxes.
Nothing more and nothing else.

Hmmm. OK, then: "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world."

Taken together . . . ah forget it. I believe the Bible establishes the separation of church and state.

[ElNono]

Hmmm. OK, then: "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world."

Taken together . . . ah forget it. I believe the Bible establishes the separation of church and state.

Hey, I actually disagree more with the resident Christian fundamentalist than I disagree with you. So it's all good. :tu