Is Texas racist?

[cool hand]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/tx/texas_mccain_vs_obama-628.html#polls

[fyatuk]

In my experience, yes. Strange to say that, seeing as how I'm white and all, but it was very discouraging the type of reaction I'd get around town with my hispanic ex (aimed mostly at me).

[I. Hustle]

Yes but not in the way you think. South Texans are racist against whites and negritos and North Texans hate everyone that isn't white. Just depends where you live.

[clambake]

sounds lovely.

[2centsworth]

McCain is winning in Texas so Texas is racist. so freakin idiotic, but doesn't surprise me considering who started the thread.

[LnGrrrR]

Yes but not in the way you think. South Texans are racist against whites and negritos and North Texans hate everyone that isn't white. Just depends where you live.

My wife's family from Mexico originally (now living in San Antonio) didn't like me at first because I was a gringo. They've warmed up to me, thankfully though. I'm spreading equality!

[SnakeBoy]

Yes Texas is clearly racist. I know I voted against Obama because of the color of his skin. The fact that I don't want to pay more than the 46k I currently pay in fed income tax had nothing to do with it.

[ElNono]

Yes Texas is clearly racist. I know I voted against Obama because of the color of his skin. The fact that I don't want to pay more than the 46k I currently pay in fed income tax had nothing to do with it.

At least you're honest. :tu

[BRHornet45]

Yes Texas is clearly racist. I know I voted against Obama because of the color of his skin. The fact that I don't want to pay more than the 46k I currently pay in fed income tax had nothing to do with it.

son that is the best signature picture ever and 100% truth as to how they are running that campaign

[Duff McCartney]

Yes Texas is clearly racist. I know I voted against Obama because of the color of his skin. The fact that I don't want to pay more than the 46k I currently pay in fed income tax had nothing to do with it.

Whoa...you pay 46 thousand dollars in income tax? Did you just not phrase this right?

Shit are you fucking kidding me if you do? 46 thousand dollars in one fucking year? What are you fucking complaining about? I don't make 46k in my part time job in 4 years.

Talk about not having humility.

[Spurtacus]

In my neighborhood, I only see one McCain/Palin sign...and that happens to be my neighbor. Austin is voting Democrat.

[implacable44]

the only one pushing race in this is Obama .. the whole I dont look like the other presidents ... etc. There will be far more people who vote for him just because he is black than the opposite.

[101A]

Whoa...you pay 46 thousand dollars in income tax? Did you just not phrase this right?

Shit are you fucking kidding me if you do? 46 thousand dollars in one fucking year? What are you fucking complaining about? I don't make 46k in my part time job in 4 years.

Talk about not having humility.

Which means you ought to fall on your knees and thank him; at that rate you won't pay 46K in taxes in your entire life. Thank those that make your life so comfortable and safe.

[ElNono]

the only one pushing race in this is Obama .. the whole I dont look like the other presidents ... etc. There will be far more people who vote for him just because he is black than the opposite.

Take your pink colored glasses off, Glenn.
Do we really need to replay those videos with 'I don't want the President to be a monkey' from a McCain rally again?
Being half-black will definitely help Obama bringing the black vote to him, but last I checked they're a minority and not enough to win the election.
If he wins, you should start pointing fingers at the disastrous 8 years of dubya as the main reason for the results.

[Spurminator]

Take your pink colored glasses off, Glenn.
Do we really need to replay those videos with 'I don't want the President to be a monkey' from a McCain rally again?
Being half-black will definitely help Obama bringing the black vote to him, but last I checked they're a minority and not enough to win the election.
If he wins, you should start pointing fingers at the disastrous 8 years of dubya as the main reason for the results.


Eh... There's certainly an element of the vote that will be affected by white racists, but the degree is uncertain. For one thing, if they're Republican, they probably wouldn't have voted for the Democrat anyway. Also, there are some white supremecists who are hoping for an Obama victory because they think it will unite whites. Once you also factor in the hillbilly dumbasses who don't know how to vote any more than they know how to read, the white racist bloc is such a clusterfuck that it probably balances out.

[implacable44]

Take your pink colored glasses off, Glenn.
Do we really need to replay those videos with 'I don't want the President to be a monkey' from a McCain rally again?
Being half-black will definitely help Obama bringing the black vote to him, but last I checked they're a minority and not enough to win the election.
If he wins, you should start pointing fingers at the disastrous 8 years of dubya as the main reason for the results.

Ketih -- take your mocha colored glasses off ... Look at the polls and the ridiculous % of the black vote Obama has wrapped up.

No question the W years will contribute to McCain's loss. Bush was terrible on spending, never caught Bin Laden, and is terrible on the border. The fence should have been done a long time ago.
Obama is basically Johnny Cochran and if McCain had half a brain and wasn't a socialist himself -- he would be talking more and more about Jeremiah Wright and the black liberation theology.

I will just sit back and wait until 2012 and hope for Romney / Palin or if he proves to be who he says he is -- give me Bobby Jindal.

[ElNono]

Eh... There's certainly an element of the vote that will be affected by white racists, but the degree is uncertain. For one thing, if they're Republican, they probably wouldn't have voted for the Democrat anyway. Also, there are some white supremecists who are hoping for an Obama victory because they think it will unite whites. Once you also factor in the hillbilly dumbasses who don't know how to vote any more than they know how to read, the white racist bloc is such a clusterfuck that it probably balances out.

Agreed. But that's far from saying: 'the only one pushing race in this is Obama' or 'There will be far more people who vote for him just because he is black than the opposite'

See what I mean?

[I. Hustle]

In my neighborhood, I only see one McCain/Palin sign...and that happens to be my neighbor. Austin is voting Democrat.

One of the things I hated about living in Austin was how liberal it was. Alot of stuff just went too far.

[ElNono]

Ketih -- take your mocha colored glasses off ... Look at the polls and the ridiculous % of the black vote Obama has wrapped up.


Not enough to win the election. He needs more than racial votes to pull this off. The sooner you acknowledge this, the quicker we'll move on.

[Shastafarian]

Ketih -- take your mocha colored glasses off ... Look at the polls and the ridiculous % of the black vote Obama has wrapped up.

No question the W years will contribute to McCain's loss. Bush was terrible on spending, never caught Bin Laden, and is terrible on the border. The fence should have been done a long time ago.
Obama is basically Johnny Cochran and if McCain had half a brain and wasn't a socialist himself -- he would be talking more and more about Jeremiah Wright and the black liberation theology.

I will just sit back and wait until 2012 and hope for Romney / Palin or if he proves to be who he says he is -- give me Bobby Jindal.

Wow. Let's just hope you aren't an indication of the future of the Republican Party.

[Spurminator]

No question the W years will contribute to McCain's loss. Bush was terrible on spending, never caught Bin Laden, and is terrible on the border. The fence should have been done a long time ago.
Obama is basically Johnny Cochran and if McCain had half a brain and wasn't a socialist himself -- he would be talking more and more about Jeremiah Wright and the black liberation theology.

I will just sit back and wait until 2012 and hope for Romney / Palin or if he proves to be who he says he is -- give me Bobby Jindal.


:lmao This post has everything. Awesome.

[boutons_]

Repugs will vote for macaca Jindal? yeah, right.

[implacable44]

Wow. Let's just hope you aren't an indication of the future of the Republican Party.

I take comfort knowing that geniuses like you support the far left Obama / Pelosi and Reid led party. 4 years from now - the country will swing back. After Carter we got Reagan.

It is funny how I read folks on here applauding Stevens and yet they have nothing to say about Charlie Rangel or Dodd.

They laugh at the "bigots" and ""racists" on the right and yet Murtha is a great guy ?

[implacable44]

Repugs will vote for macaca Jindal? yeah, right.

I am not republican - I am a conservative. I will vote for him if he runs.

[ElNono]

I take comfort knowing that geniuses like you support the far left Obama / Pelosi and Reid led party. 4 years from now - the country will swing back. After Carter we got Reagan.

And if Obama turns out to be another Clinton and it doesn't swing back, what you gonna do?



It is funny how I read folks on here applauding Stevens and yet they have nothing to say about Charlie Rangel or Dodd.


If you haven't read Dodd bashing in these forums, you need to read more.



They laugh at the "bigots" and ""racists" on the right and yet Murtha is a great guy ?

Link to any of us defending Murtha?

See, the problem with you Glenn is that you're simply a partisan hack. You're one more of those Pro/Anti America guys that just want to divide us more.

Are you Sarah Palin's cousin?

[implacable44]

And if Obama turns out to be another Clinton and it doesn't swing back, what you gonna do?



If you haven't read Dodd bashing in these forums, you need to read more.



Link to any of us defending Murtha?

See, the problem with you Glenn is that you're simply a partisan hack. You're one more of those Pro/Anti America guys that just want to divide us more.

Are you Sarah Palin's cousin?


I don't want to divide anyone, Keith and I am not Partisan nor am I pro / anti American guys. There are three issues that matter to me and are the foundation of why I vote conservative. 1. Right to life 2. Right to bear arms 3. National Security (including maintaining our soveriegn status).

That is it.

If he turns out to be another Clinton ? I reckon that means you think Clinton was great.

Dodd should be in prison - along with Barney Franks, Charlie Rangel - Kennedy for murder or at the lease negligence (allegedly).

[ratm1221]

1. Right to life 2. Right to bear arms 3. National Security (including maintaining our soveriegn status).

That is it.

I'm glad that you admit that your vote has nothing to do with how the country will be run, and everything to do with issues that will never be addressed.

[ElNono]

If he turns out to be another Clinton ? I reckon that means you think Clinton was great.

Not necessarily. He was just the last Democrat President that got reelected. My point was that Obama could also seek and obtain reelection, depending on how he does. Now, I understand you think he will suck, but what if he doesn't, and what if he's reelected? What if the 'swing' you seek for in 4 years doesn't happen? What are you gonna do then?

This is obviously all hypothetical, since Obama is not the President at this point.

[implacable44]

I'm glad that you admit that your vote has nothing to do with how the country will be run, and everything to do with issues that will never be addressed.

How the country will be run has more to do with Congress than with that guy in the white house.

[implacable44]

Not necessarily. He was just the last Democrat President that got reelected. My point was that Obama could also seek and obtain reelection, depending on how he does. Now, I understand you think he will suck, but what if he doesn't, and what if he's reelected? What if the 'swing' you seek for in 4 years doesn't happen? What are you gonna do then?

This is obviously all hypothetical, since Obama is not the President at this point.

I thinik this will be a VERY difficult 4 years for whoever gets in and if he insists on pursuing all of his "promises" then our country will be in worse shape than it is now. You know - especially since Biden promised a major test within what -- 6 months ? .. If he gets re-elected or not - my focus for the next 8 years will be on local elections and congress. Nobody should be allowed to go unchecked or have a super majority.

[Sigmund]

How the country will be run has more to do with Congress than with that guy in the white house.

Tell me, why are you concerned about this "guy"? Do you have feelings for him?

[ratm1221]

How the country will be run has more to do with Congress than with that guy in the white house.

So what exactly is your President going to do for your gun control and abortion?

[implacable44]

Tell me, why are you concerned about this "guy"? Do you have feelings for him?

well "that guy" was not referring to anyone in particular - it was general - as in non-specific because it doesn't matter who "that guy" is except for when it comes to which justices he appoints to the supreme court and should he decide to push a button.

[implacable44]

So what exactly is your President going to do for your gun control and abortion?

which President ? and it will depend on which justices he appoints.

and of course the 3rd point I stressed - National Security would encompass how any president dictates to run the country as a citizen of the world etc..

[Sigmund]

well "that guy" was not referring to anyone in particular - it was general - as in non-specific because it doesn't matter who "that guy" is except for when it comes to which justices he appoints to the supreme court and should he decide to push a button.

I see.

What is it about "pushing buttons" that interests you?

[ratm1221]

which President ? and it will depend on which justices he appoints.

and of course the 3rd point I stressed - National Security would encompass how any president dictates to run the country as a citizen of the world etc..

Pick one. Are you saying we've never had a president that opposed abortion? What did that president do about abortion?

[101A]

So, I'm selling typewriters for IBM (I know, right) in 1990, trying to close a deal in Madisonville, Texas; sitting the mayors office. He and I get into a political discussion, and when he surmises that I lean a little right in my politics, he begins to open up. Being the shrewd (and frankly, hungry) salesperson I was, I go right along, enjoying the banter.

Anyway, we continue along until he decides to let me in on the reason the country has declined so far; the basic problem with EVERYTHING that is going on that is not good:

D E S E G R E G A T I O N!

I had know the dude for maybe 30 minutes, and being a fellow whitey, he had NO problem, the MAYOR of the city no less, sharing this insight with me.

All of Texas, IMO is no more racist than most of the country; in fact, the valley, SA, and central Texas are LESS racist than my current stomping grounds in Western Pa - Murtha is right; but he should have kept his mouth shut.

EAST Texas, however, is damned racist. Where the hell do you think all the plantation owners from La and Ms ran during the civil war?

[implacable44]

So, I'm selling typewriters for IBM (I know, right) in 1990, trying to close a deal in Madisonville, Texas; sitting the mayors office. He and I get into a political discussion, and when he surmises that I lean a little right in my politics, he begins to open up. Being the shrewd (and frankly, hungry) salesperson I was, I go right along, enjoying the banter.

Anyway, we continue along until he decides to let me in on the reason the country has declined so far; the basic problem with EVERYTHING that is going on that is not good:

D E S E G R E G A T I O N!

I had know the dude for maybe 30 minutes, and being a fellow whitey, he had NO problem, the MAYOR of the city no less, sharing this insight with me.

All of Texas, IMO is no more racist than most of the country; in fact, the valley, SA, and central Texas are LESS racist than my current stomping grounds in Western Pa - Murtha is right; but he should have kept his mouth shut.

EAST Texas, however, is damned racist. Where the hell do you think all the plantation owners from La and Ms ran during the civil war?


so all those plantation owners from the civil war ran to Texas and now their descendants are all racists too because they are related hundreds of years ago ?

If Murtha gets re-elected then PA deserves him and it will truly reflect the ignorance of those people.

[DarkReign]

Obama is basically Johnny Cochran and if McCain had half a brain and wasn't a socialist himself -- he would be talking more and more about Jeremiah Wright and the black liberation theology.

Oh, thatd be a great fucking strategy there, Mr Strategist. And how, exactly, do you propse bringing the topic up of "black liberation theology" without alienating ALL black people from ever voting from you?

Youre a genius. Youre shortsighted enough to think 15% of the American population means nothing in a general election. How, pray tell, does McCain (an old white guy) bring up something negative about Obama that has anything to do with black idealogues without alienating black voters?

Please tell, genius.

[implacable44]

Oh, thatd be a great fucking strategy there, Mr Strategist. And how, exactly, do you propse bringing the topic up of "black liberation theology" without alienating ALL black people from ever voting from you?

Youre a genius. Youre shortsighted enough to think 15% of the American population means nothing in a general election. How, pray tell, does McCain (an old white guy) bring up something negative about Obama that has anything to do with black idealogues without alienating black voters?

Please tell, genius.

you are stupid enough to think he was going to get any of that vote anyway.

[DarkReign]

you are stupid enough to think he was going to get any of that vote anyway.

:lmao

Yet, you dont think there would be white people that wouldnt be turned off by such rhetoric?

:lmao

Keep going.

Racism is very unpopular...except among racists. Thankfully, the majority of racists are very old people who will sooner be in the ground than voting in 2016.

[implacable44]

and the black liberation theology isn't racism ? McCain pointing out that theology is racist -- does not make him a racist ? Retard.

[DarkReign]

and the black liberation theology isn't racism ? McCain pointing out that theology is racist -- does not make him a racist ? Retard.

Oh I agree....but exactly how do you think him bringing it up would be interpreted?

Annnnd, if he used it as a major campaign topic, he would have to repeat such claims ad nauseum.

He'd be banking his entire campaign on interpretation.....an interpretation of a old white man making claims that this young black man over there is a black radical.

Yeah....and you wonder why it hasnt been brought up by anyone in the McCain camp yet. If someone did, it would be called sabotage.

[101A]

so all those plantation owners from the civil war ran to Texas and now their descendants are all racists too because they are related hundreds of years ago ?

If Murtha gets re-elected then PA deserves him and it will truly reflect the ignorance of those people.

"Hundreds" of years ago?

Where'd you take history?

Or Math for that matter?

East Texas IS the most racist part of the country I have ever experienced; at least it was 15 years ago.

Murtha is in the fight of his political life right now; I live, literally, two blocks from his district; wish I could vote for his opponent.

Saw the first Murtha ad attacking his opponent this morning. Tried to tie the guy to Bush; dude has NEVER met George Bush; I figure Murtha will squeak by, but we'll see.

[implacable44]

"Hundreds" of years ago?

Where'd you take history?

Or Math for that matter?

East Texas IS the most racist part of the country I have ever experienced; at least it was 15 years ago.

Murtha is in the fight of his political life right now; I live, literally, two blocks from his district; wish I could vote for his opponent.

Saw the first Murtha ad attacking his opponent this morning. Tried to tie the guy to Bush; dude has NEVER met George Bush; I figure Murtha will squeak by, but we'll see.

oh sorry -- 2 centuries ago - being that it ended in 1865.. sorry.

East Texas ? Clearly you have never been to Cour d' elane, Idaho ...or to Oak Cliff in Dallas for that matter....

[Spurminator]

...or to Oak Cliff in Dallas for that matter....


Yeah, Lee Harveys is a real hotbed for the black supremacist movement.

[implacable44]

Yeah, Lee Harveys is a real hotbed for the black supremacist movement.

I know we don't go down into the cliff after 5 for a darn good reason. My boys won't even let me go down to the cliff after dark

[Spurminator]

That's because living in Southlake you're not used to seeing so many black people.

[implacable44]

That's because living in Southlake you're not used to seeing so many black people.

haha -- I grew up in San Antonio - Live Oak to be exact. Went to Judson and then played basketball in Idaho and Utah for a year before coming here to North Texas.

[Duff McCartney]

Which means you ought to fall on your knees and thank him; at that rate you won't pay 46K in taxes in your entire life. Thank those that make your life so comfortable and safe.

Yeah my life is really comfortable. My parents who I was living with until recently lost our home to foreclosure in March. I'm currently ten thousand dollars in debt in my first year at UTSA. Yeah it's a really comfortable life.

Give me a break. I'm humble to know that even with all that shit....a foreclosed house and being buried in debt, I know I have it good. In fact I have it great. And I never bitch about any taxes I have to pay. You would think someone who can afford to pay 46 thousand dollars to the government in 1 fucking year could be the same way.

Like I said maybe he phrased it wrong and he meant to say something else. But if he's making enough money where he has to pay 46 grand in taxes a year...he has no right to complain about getting the "bad deal"

[Spurtacus]

One of the things I hated about living in Austin was how liberal it was. Alot of stuff just went too far.

Suits me just well! :toast

[SnakeBoy]

Yeah my life is really comfortable. My parents who I was living with until recently lost our home to foreclosure in March. I'm currently ten thousand dollars in debt in my first year at UTSA. Yeah it's a really comfortable life.

My parents never had enough money to ever buy a house. I made 22k when I was a student, paying my own way and also helping to pay my parents rent. I worked mornings at a job related to my field, went to class in the afternoons, worked nights and weekends washing dishes at a mexican restaurant. Occasionally I slept. So cry me a river.



Give me a break. I'm humble to know that even with all that shit....a foreclosed house and being buried in debt, I know I have it good. In fact I have it great. And I never bitch about any taxes I have to pay. You would think someone who can afford to pay 46 thousand dollars to the government in 1 fucking year could be the same way.

First, your not paying any federal income tax so how could you complain? Second, humility is not thinking your better than anyone else. Has nothing to do with wanting to pay higher taxes. My wife and I are humble and grateful for our lives but we have what we have by working hard. No one gave it to us.



Like I said maybe he phrased it wrong and he meant to say something else. But if he's making enough money where he has to pay 46 grand in taxes a year...he has no right to complain about getting the "bad deal"

Who complained about getting a bad deal. I didn't vote for a guy who swears he wants to stick to me. Would you?

You're young, you go to school and work part time. I'm old (well older) and work 70 hours a week and study more than I ever did in school to continue to improve my skillset. You whine about not having a "comfortable life". I'm working to get to a point where I can have a comfortable life. So you might think you deserve a bigger slice of my pie but all I can tell you is stop whining, work harder, get another job, and help your parents out you little fucker.

[implacable44]

My parents never had enough money to ever buy a house. I made 22k when I was a student, paying my own way and also helping to pay my parents rent. I worked mornings at a job related to my field, went to class in the afternoons, worked nights and weekends washing dishes at a mexican restaurant. Occasionally I slept. So cry me a river.



First, your not paying any federal income tax so how could you complain? Second, humility is not thinking your better than anyone else. Has nothing to do with wanting to pay higher taxes. My wife and I are humble and grateful for our lives but we have what we have by working hard. No one gave it to us.



Who complained about getting a bad deal. I didn't vote for a guy who swears he wants to stick to me. Would you?

You're young, you go to school and work part time. I'm old (well older) and work 70 hours a week and study more than I ever did in school to continue to improve my skillset. You whine about not having a "comfortable life". I'm working to get to a point where I can have a comfortable life. So you might think you deserve a bigger slice of my pie but all I can tell you is stop whining, work harder, get another job, and help your parents out you little fucker.

but at least you have a Footlocker.

[Centaur of the Sun]

Ketih -- take your mocha colored glasses off ... Look at the polls and the ridiculous % of the black vote Obama has wrapped up.

No question the W years will contribute to McCain's loss. Bush was terrible on spending, never caught Bin Laden, and is terrible on the border. The fence should have been done a long time ago.
Obama is basically Johnny Cochran and if McCain had half a brain and wasn't a socialist himself -- he would be talking more and more about Jeremiah Wright and the black liberation theology.

I will just sit back and wait until 2012 and hope for Romney / Palin or if he proves to be who he says he is -- give me Bobby Jindal.

Something like 80-85% of blacks ALWAYS vote with Democrats. So since that figure is now at 95% of blacks will vote Obama, it can be said that about 10% of blacks will vote for Obama based on skin color ALONE.

10%... how is that such a "ridiculous" percentage?

What would you consider the percentage of whites voting for McCain because he's white? Not voting for Obama because he's black?

I'd guess it's around 10%, probably a little less.

[implacable44]

I saw reports that said Bush got about 18-20% of the black vote in 2004 - so if your numbers are correct and so are the ones for Bush 2004 - then Obamam has about a 15% increase.

Now the trick would be to figure out how much of the white vote McCain has compared to the usual numbers a republican candidate can expext to receive from whitey.

Then we can look at the HIspanic vote too -- I saw something saying that Bush got something like 40% in 2004. Not sure how accurate that is...

[boutons_]

Here's why Repugs and Fox and right-wingers tell and repeat incessantly BIG SLIMEY LIES.

dumbfucks believe those lies.

Poll finds 23% of Texans think Obama is Muslim

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6084678.html
and I bet nearly all 23% of those Texans will not vote EVER for a Muslim just because the Muslim is a Muslim, which is racism.

[clambake]

Poll finds 23% of Texans think Obama is Muslim



and 4% of those think at least a portion of the moon is made of cheese.

[Centaur of the Sun]

Obviously you can't say that Texas is racist... but are many of its inhabitants racist?

You 'betcha.

When I was in high school a group of my friends all worked at Grady's on Bandera. They would always tell stories of being rude to blacks and spitting/sneaking pubes in their food.

With no scientific data to back me up, I'd say 5% are overtly racist, another 15% covertly racist, and EVERYONE else believes in certain stereotypes that are negative.

I've never known a black person who didn't smoke weed. That's a fact that I live with. No doubt not all blacks smoke weed, but in my universe all of them do.

Most white people I know can't dance.

Most hispanics I know are lazy after eating (myself included).

[Drachen]

Obviously you can't say that Texas is racist... but are many of its inhabitants racist?

You 'betcha.

When I was in high school a group of my friends all worked at Grady's on Bandera. They would always tell stories of being rude to blacks and spitting/sneaking pubes in their food.

With no scientific data to back me up, I'd say 5% are overtly racist, another 15% covertly racist, and EVERYONE else believes in certain stereotypes that are negative.

I've never known a black person who didn't smoke weed. That's a fact that I live with. No doubt not all blacks smoke weed, but in my universe all of them do.

Most white people I know can't dance.

Most hispanics I know are lazy after eating (myself included).

YES WE CAN! It was scientifically proven by Dave Chappelle and John Mayer and televised globally on the Chappelle show.

[SnakeBoy]

YES WE CAN! It was scientifically proven by Dave Chappelle and John Mayer and televised globally on the Chappelle show.

Good point.

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Hard to argue with that.