I know Its Early But....

[Punkkboy44]

Anyone really surprised the Spurs are 0-1..losing at home to a team they usually own..I AM NOT! I stated this before and will say again..BOWEN AND FINLEY are liabilities..VAUGHN is worthless..2 man team tonite..PLEASE..bench the old guys..throw the new guys into the fire..NOW!!!

[SequSpur]

Good take.

[Punkkboy44]

By the way..as bad as Portland looked the other night against the Lakers..I see them beating the Spurs by 10+...

[L.I.T]

A lot of prescient posters out tonight.

[ATX Spur]

Opening Night Championship forum

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't understand the negativity..

we're missing Manu, Hill's injured, Oberto is injured, Mahinmi didn't get a chance to play, Tolliver is away..and we still almost beat a very good Suns team that had ALL of their players..

how can we be so bad, but almost won the game? I don't get it..

[NewJerSpur]

The Spurs own the Suns in the playoffs, which is all that matters.

Given the injury situation, a few new insertions and rotations, and the quality of opponent I think the team played pretty well. The defense has to play better down the stretch but that should come as Pop determines the best rotation of players to place on the floor at different intervals. Stability is the breeding ground for consistentcy.

[lefty]

Anyone really surprised the Spurs are 0-1..losing at home to a team they usually own..I AM NOT! I stated this before and will say again..BOWEN AND FINLEY are liabilities..VAUGHN is worthless..2 man team tonite..PLEASE..bench the old guys..throw the new guys into the fire..NOW!!!

Manu didn't play, and they barely beat us.

Pop tried " things " (the "bonner experiment " )

Don't worry.

[hater]

Vaughn is worthless?? we did not lose tonight because of Vaughn. Vaughn was perfect as backup PG.

They were kiling us in the paint.

[pauls931]

I wouldn't consider bowen a liability. What you guys did having him face guard nash in the playoffs last year worked pretty good. Slow down nash and bowen doesn't need to score to earn his worth. Which is why I hate hime...

[AlamoSpursFan]

I blame the loss on Big Kev.

Sincerely,
Stan "Help 'Em Out!" Kelly

[MarHill]

I don't understand the negativity..

we're missing Manu, Hill's injured, Oberto is injured, Mahinmi didn't get a chance to play, Tolliver is away..and we still almost beat a very good Suns team that had ALL of their players..

how can we be so bad, but almost won the game? I don't get it..

Harlem Heat 37,

I totally agree with your post.

I don't get some spoiled Spurs fans. You have people already posting the team is going to suck after the FIRST GAME!!!!!!!!!!!! Unbelievable!!!

That's my problem...some fans don't want to be realistic! It's easy to say your team sucks after one game. Let's have some perspective and give this team a chance.

Wow!!!!!!

[SpurSupremacist]

I blame the loss on Big Kev.

Sincerely,
Stan "Help 'Em Out!" Kelly

A-Fucking-Men. This new announcer is SHIT. Bring Stan back.

[AlamoSpursFan]

A-Fucking-Men. This new announcer is SHIT. Bring Stan back.

That was a joke. I like Kev.

[ducks]

By the way..as bad as Portland looked the other night against the Lakers..I see them beating the Spurs by 10+...

suns>>>>>>>>>>>portland

portland be lucking to make playoffs
portland has hard schedule first 2 weeks and NO oden

[mexicanjunior]

That's my problem...some fans don't want to be realistic! It's easy to say your team sucks after one game. Let's have some perspective and give this team a chance.


I haven't seen alot of "this team sucks" posts but I have seen alot of posts pointing out negatives that don't seem to be easy fixes. The problems this team had tonight (weak frontline depth, scoring lapses, overextending Parker & Duncan, poor interior defense) will continue to be problems for the next month. I don't think it bringing them after seeing them evident in this game is unreasonable at all. There were some positives (Mason & Finley's shooting, Parker and Duncan playing terrific) but this game showed it isn't going to be enough against the good teams in the West...

[MarHill]

I haven't seen alot of "this team sucks" posts but I have seen alot of posts pointing out negatives that don't seem to be easy fixes. The problems this team had tonight (weak frontline depth, scoring lapses, overextending Parker & Duncan, poor interior defense) will continue to be problems for the next month. I don't think it bringing them after seeing them evident in this game is unreasonable at all. There were some positives (Mason & Finley's shooting, Parker and Duncan playing terrific) but this game showed it isn't going to be enough against the good teams in the West...


Mexican Junior,

YES...there was no frontline depth because Oberto and Ian were not playing. I don't care what team you are but if two of your bigs were not playing....you are going to miss them.

But to write this team is going automatically struggle....it's unfair.

It's the FIRST GAME of 82!!!! People have seem to forget that.

Let's reassess after 20 or 30 games into season before we make instant judgements.

This team has earned that credibility!!! Wow!!

[tp2021]

Waaah
What new guys are there to be thrown in the fire?
Hill-injured.
Mahinmi-injured.
Tolliver-Leave of absence.
Punkkboy44-Retard.

[mexicanjunior]

YES...there was no frontline depth because Oberto and Ian were not playing. I don't care what team you are but if two of your bigs were not playing....you are going to miss them.


There is no guarantee Ian will make any significant contributions this year, he hasn't even played a non Summer League game yet. Oberto would have helped with filling minutes but he has always struggled guarding Amare, I don't think he would have done much better than Bonner or KT on the defensive end. I commend you for wanting to give the Spurs so much benefit of the doubt but, as long as Manu is out, I see the writing on the wall. Duncan and Parker played great but, if they are forced to play like this every night to just keep the team competitive, we will be in trouble...

[m33p0]

forum meltdown thread.

[clubalien]

losing the opener is imaginable when the spurs have two of their stars out ian and manu.
All said we weren't blown out and we were in the game the whole time .I say if this was a playoff game we would have won.

[m33p0]

losing the opener is imaginable when the spurs have two of their stars out ian and manu.
All said we weren't blown out and we were in the game the whole time .I say if this was a playoff game duncan would have sunk that 3.

[Obstructed_View]

Duncan and Parker played great but, if they are forced to play like this every night to just keep the team competitive, we will be in trouble...

If they had to play a top-western-conference-team-that-was-eliminated-by-the-Spurs-last-year-featuring-two-of-the-best-bigs-in-the-league-on-national-TV-with-five-guys-missing-from-their-lineup every night, I'd be inclined to agree with you.

Well, I'd be inclined to agree with you if the Spurs had lost by 20. Maybe.

[Chomag]

I don't think there is anything to panic about, IT was a really good game where it could have gone either way. Also PHX does seem to usually beat us in the regular season so thats nothing to worry about'

However, of all the missed executions I really feel that our lack of defensive presence in the paint was greatly exposed. We need more intimidation there thats for sure...

[m33p0]

I don't think there is anything to panic about, IT was a really good game where it could have gone either way. Also PHX does seem to usually beat us in the regular season so thats nothing to worry about'

However, of all the missed executions I really feel that our lack of defensive presence in the paint was greatly exposed. We need more intimidation there thats for sure...
usually is the case early in the season. Spurs don't get into a defensive groove until Feb-March.

[Obstructed_View]

How nice would one of the young guys that can play defense have been tonight, particularly when the scoring machine that made the last cut didn't even get into the game?

[mexicanjunior]

If they had to play a top-western-conference-team-that-was-eliminated-by-the-Spurs-last-year-featuring-two-of-the-best-bigs-in-the-league-on-national-TV-with-five-guys-missing-from-their-lineup every night, I'd be inclined to agree with you.

Well, I'd be inclined to agree with you if the Spurs had lost by 20. Maybe.

Considering the conference we are in, I don't forsee alot of "gimmes" on the schedule while Manu is out. The contributions we got tonight from Parker and Duncan is what it will take to win against good teams in the West. Of the "five" guys out, only Manu and Oberto would have really seen significant minutes if available. I think Hill, Tolliver and Mahinmi are too raw to get significant minutes for Pop's taste and there is no guarantee that will change anytime soon this year...

[Spur-Addict]

What new guys are there to be thrown in the fire?
Hill-injured.
Mahinmi-injured.
Tolliver-Leave of absence.
Punkkboy44-Retard.

Sounds right to me. :toast

Edit: Oberto as well.

[jjktkk]

Vaughn is worthless?? we did not lose tonight because of Vaughn. Vaughn was perfect as backup PG.

They were kiling us in the paint.

Touche! !!!
does this poster even know the game of basketball?

[tp2021]

Sounds right to me. :toast

Edit: Oberto as well.
Oberto is out, true. But the OP said we needed to play the new guys. That's what I was referring to.

[xellos88330]

Well, after this first game, I feel quite at ease about the Spurs chances.

1. They held thier own against a solid team with an undermanned frontcourt.
2. They are missing one of the big 3.
3. Mason had a solid game and wasn't even in attack mode.
4. Finleys jumper looked pretty solid as well.
5. Didn't really see any signs of the dreaded Spurs Droughts.

It is only natural when you have a thin front line to allow more baskets than normal in the paint. Got to be able to save those fouls. I am upset, however, at the lack of offense from Bruce.

[Spurtacus]

Spurs might as well tank the season and get the #1 pick. We're 0-1. We're doomed!

[Obstructed_View]

Considering the conference we are in, I don't forsee alot of "gimmes" on the schedule while Manu is out. The contributions we got tonight from Parker and Duncan is what it will take to win against good teams in the West. Of the "five" guys out, only Manu and Oberto would have really seen significant minutes if available. I think Hill, Tolliver and Mahinmi are too raw to get significant minutes for Pop's taste and there is no guarantee that will change anytime soon this year...

There's a big difference between a "gimme" and a big emotional nationally-televised game to start off the season against a team that hates the Spurs and has had it circled on the calendar since the schedule came out. Despite all that, and being seriously undermanned, the Spurs held their own. How that's cause for anything but optimism puzzles me.

If you don't think Hill is going to see minutes once he's healthy, then you haven't been listening to Pop since the draft.

Mahinmi is still raw and still young, and if healthy he would have seen big minutes against Shaq and Amare, particularly with Oberto's late scratch. He's been with the team long enough that Pop would have thrown him to the wolves to see how he handled it.

[Manufan909]

I wonder how Ian would've done against Amare. Bonner can't hold him, but he did a great job on Diaw. And Tim's block was def not a foul, too much ball.

[Punkkboy44]

I'll see u all after the Portland game guys...

[xellos88330]

This game could have easily been in the Spurs favor. I actually believe I saw fear in the eyes of the Phoenix Suns during the game when they couldn't get away from the Spurs for very long.

[JamStone]

I don't understand the negativity..

we're missing Manu, Hill's injured, Oberto is injured, Mahinmi didn't get a chance to play, Tolliver is away..and we still almost beat a very good Suns team that had ALL of their players..

how can we be so bad, but almost won the game? I don't get it..



Manu didn't play, and they barely beat us.

Pop tried " things " (the "bonner experiment " )

Don't worry.


I think it's quite unfair to evaluate the Spurs team without Manu and others and it being only one game. But I also don't think anything should be taken away from the Suns and their performance on earning a well-deserved win.

-It was in San Antonio.

-Duncan and Parker had all world performances.

-Roger Mason and Matt Bonner probably contributed more and played better than expected.

-The Spurs shot 50% from the field.

-The Spurs employed Hack-a-Shaq.

-Phoenix does have a new coach and new offensive system.

So, while things would have been different with Manu and Orberto and Hill, I think it was still a quality win by the Suns considering other factors that went in the Spurs favor.

[sexinthatsx]

There's a big difference between a "gimme" and a big emotional nationally-televised game to start off the season against a team that hates the Spurs and has had it circled on the calendar since the schedule came out. Despite all that, and being seriously undermanned, the Spurs held their own. How that's cause for anything but optimism puzzles me.

If you don't think Hill is going to see minutes once he's healthy, then you haven't been listening to Pop since the draft.

Mahinmi is still raw and still young, and if healthy he would have seen big minutes against Shaq and Amare, particularly with Oberto's late scratch. He's been with the team long enough that Pop would have thrown him to the wolves to see how he handled it.


Also, you can't forget the chemistry that george hill and ian mahinmi seemed to have during the summer games. I think they will make a good contributing combo

[Obstructed_View]

I think it's quite unfair to evaluate the Spurs team without Manu and others and it being only one game. But I also don't think anything should be taken away from the Suns and their performance on earning a well-deserved win.

-It was in San Antonio.

-Duncan and Parker had all world performances.

-Roger Mason and Matt Bonner probably contributed more and played better than expected.

-The Spurs shot 50% from the field.

-The Spurs employed Hack-a-Shaq.

-Phoenix does have a new coach and new offensive system.

So, while things would have been different with Manu and Orberto and Hill, I think it was still a quality win by the Suns considering other factors that went in the Spurs favor.

Any win in the western conference is a good one, and capitalizing on the misfortunes of your opponent is critical in a long season. I'm pissed that the Spurs didn't get out of there with nothing but a moral victory.

That said, there's absolutely no reason to be anything but optimistic about this squad going forward as they start to regain players and become acclimated to playing as a team, especially given this team's long history of gelling later in the season.

[mrspurs]

Harlem Heat 37,

I totally agree with your post.

I don't get some spoiled Spurs fans. You have people already posting the team is going to suck after the FIRST GAME!!!!!!!!!!!! Unbelievable!!!

That's my problem...some fans don't want to be realistic! It's easy to say your team sucks after one game. Let's have some perspective and give this team a chance.

Wow!!!!!!

I agree with ya both. But do look at our teams roster. Timmy could use some help. If Timmy was off like some nights he is, we woulda got killed. And not only that, how and when is there gonna be time to rest Timmy. I dont see Timmy getting the rest amare and shaq got. Heck the suns had a young center who didnt play as bad as bonner did. Our young center is still out of a spurs uniform. And Ian has been a spur how long?

[clubalien]

also wanted to add we didn't have splitter for this game either