250K, 200K, or 150K?

[DarrinS]

What is the income level, above which, you'll begin seeing a tax increase under Obama?


He initially said 250K. In his infomercial, he said 200K. Joe Biden said 150K the other day. Which is it?


They need to find some way to reward (or at least not penalize) the small businesses out there that are creating jobs. I have no problem with taxing those that simply inherit fortunes and don't create anything with their wealth.

[cool hand]

250k for couples
200k for individuals

check his website..

quit playing games.

[DarrinS]

250k for couples
200k for individuals

check his website..

quit playing games.


Where'd the 150k come from?

[Soul_Patch]

Where'd the 150k come from?

From his drunk VP

[MannyIsGod]

Have you bothered to check the website?

[JoeChalupa]

Yeah, just check his website and get up to speed.

[Spurminator]

Actually he did say $200K for families on the infomercial.

[MannyIsGod]

He sure did and there's a reason for that. He said that you can expect a tax cut if you make under that. The 250k threshold is where taxes increase and between 200k and 250k is a zone where things stay the same so you don't receive a tax cut but you don't see an increase either.

They've been consistent with what they've said for the longest time so I simply find it annoying when people act like its changing.

[Spurminator]

Ah, I see. This is what I get for watching it at 12:30 when I'm half asleep.

[spursfan09]

is it just me or is Obama losing considerable ground?

[Centaur of the Sun]

is it just me or is Obama losing considerable ground?

If your definition of "considerable" is "a bit of", then no... it's not just you.

If your definition of "considerable" is "considerable"... then yeah... it's pretty much just you.

[implacable44]

He sure did and there's a reason for that. He said that you can expect a tax cut if you make under that. The 250k threshold is where taxes increase and between 200k and 250k is a zone where things stay the same so you don't receive a tax cut but you don't see an increase either.

They've been consistent with what they've said for the longest time so I simply find it annoying when people act like its changing.

if that annoys you, then how will you feel when he increases your taxes even though you make less than $100K?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Seeings Manny is the tax expert...

does The Messiah's supposed tax increase for us all factor in the Bush tax cuts expiring in 2010? Or is this a case of 'I cut your taxes before I raised your taxes'?

[ElNono]

Seeings Manny is the tax expert...

does The Messiah's supposed tax increase for us all factor in the Bush tax cuts expiring in 2010? Or is this a case of 'I cut your taxes before I raised your taxes'?

You have so many questions... why not head to www.barackobama.com and find out?

[implacable44]

You have so many questions... why not head to www.barackobama.com and find out?

Why would I go look that up again ? So I can read the same lies he tells me when he speaks from the pulpit ? Name for me the last politician that did what he SAID he would do once he got into power?

[ElNono]

Why would I go look that up again ? So I can read the same lies he tells me when he speaks from the pulpit ? Name for me the last politician that did what he SAID he would do once he got into power?

Bush

[implacable44]

Bush

no

[ElNono]

no

Yes

[Spurminator]

Seeings Manny is the tax expert...

does The Messiah's supposed tax increase for us all factor in the Bush tax cuts expiring in 2010? Or is this a case of 'I cut your taxes before I raised your taxes'?

From an article written today, titled "The Real Problem With Obama's Tax Plan":


For those making less than roughly $200,000 ($250,000 for couples), Obama would not only make President Bush's tax cuts permanent but would also offer an array of new tax credits. Nobody should deny this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/28/AR2008102802955.html

[ElNono]

From an article written today, titled "The Real Problem With Obama's Tax Plan":

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/28/AR2008102802955.html

Don't do that... takes all the credibility from their bitching!

[Wild Cobra]

You have so many questions... why not head to www.barackobama.com and find out?

Do you really believe the master liar?

[Shastafarian]

Do you really believe the master liar?

You mean the next President Liar?

[DarkReign]

Do you really believe the master liar?

Honestly, youre sounding like the people who said theyd move if Bush was re-elected in 2004.

[Anti.Hero]

What is the income level, above which, you'll begin seeing a tax increase under Obama?


He initially said 250K. In his infomercial, he said 200K. Joe Biden said 150K the other day. Which is it?


They need to find some way to reward (or at least not penalize) the small businesses out there that are creating jobs. I have no problem with taxing those that simply inherit fortunes and don't create anything with their wealth.

Bingo, these "old money" 50 yr old kiddies relying on granddad's trust fund go along with the libs to keep out the up and comers from reaching their community gates!

[ratm1221]

Bingo, these "old money" 50 yr old kiddies relying on granddad's trust fund go along with the libs to keep out the up and comers from reaching their community gates!

Were you born retarded, or were you hit in the head at some point? That is the million dollar question.

[LnGrrrR]

Were you born retarded, or were you hit in the head at some point? That is the million dollar question.

I think he went to Idiot University and majored in Irrational Logic with a minor in Denial of Reality.

[ChumpDumper]

I just noticed, has any board Republican come up with a positive reason to vote for McCain?

[ElNono]

Do you really believe the master liar?

No more than I believe McLiar...

[ChumpDumper]

Do you really believe the master liar?No, but I read whottt's posts anyway for fun.

[Anti.Hero]

I just noticed, has any board Republican come up with a positive reason to vote for McCain?

He's not as far-left as Obama.

Sucks, but this is what we have to work with.

[clambake]

He's not as far-left as Obama.

Sucks, but this is what we have to work with.

but he picked palin, so he obviously hates america.

[ChumpDumper]

He's not as far-left as Obama.Not a positive reason, but I didn't expect you to actually understand the question.

[clambake]

the guy can't run a campaign but you want him to run the country?

[SnakeBoy]

I just noticed, has any board Republican come up with a positive reason to vote for McCain?

It's impossible for McCain to take over and become an evil dictator...for very long anyway.

[ChumpDumper]

It's impossible for McCain to take over and become an evil dictator...for very long anyway.Not a positive reason. Maybe you guys will get it in time for the next election.

[DarrinS]

I just noticed, has any board Republican come up with a positive reason to vote for McCain?


There's not a positive reason to vote for either of them.

[ChumpDumper]

There's not a positive reason to vote for either of them.That's why McCain is having trouble. Obama's voters at least think there are positive reasons to vote for him.

[implacable44]

That's why McCain is having trouble. Obama's voters at least think there are positive reasons to vote for him.

They do ? Obama's message : This country sucks... You cannot make it... W destroyed the country... Mccain is W -- I am different. I will allow you to make it. I will make it for you with welfare checks and entitlements.

[MannyIsGod]

They do ? Obama's message : This country sucks... You cannot make it... W destroyed the country... Mccain is W -- I am different. I will allow you to make it. I will make it for you with welfare checks and entitlements.

:lol

Oh is that his message? Thanks for the clarification.

[DarkReign]

They do ? Obama's message : This country sucks... You cannot make it... W destroyed the country... Mccain is W -- I am different. I will allow you to make it. I will make it for you with welfare checks and entitlements.

Now thats just bullshit. Whether contrived or not, Obama's message is in stark contrast to McCain's.

***Keep in mind, I am aware its all bullshit and rhetoric***

McCain is running a negative campaign...has been for a long time, even before the super-attack ads of recent history. But think about the policies and talking points he is using to run on for a moment. The nicest, most positive thing that guy has said is "My friends..." before every answer.

He runs on his foreign policy experience, he runs on his record of fiscal dogmatism and he runs primarily on his ability to run a war. War this, war that, Obama doesnt know how to run a war, I do, etc, etc.

Newsflash John, war isnt popular. It plays with hawks and warmongers who like death and endless conflict. So yeah, they think your ability to run a war is important...everyone else thinks war kinda sucks.


What does Obama run on?

Hope, Change, Uniting as One, All Together....bla bla bla, you get the idea.

***Keep in mind, I am aware its all bullshit and rhetoric***

One message is positive, the other is at best neutral and at worst very negative.

Positive is winning this election so far, no matter if the belief is too far-fetched for some of us to buy into. But its working.

I liken it the way I watch churches at a traffic light. I am not a God-fearing man by any stretch, but other people certainly are. I see the faces of people getting out of church, they look happy and renewed. Hey, its not my thing, but whatever is going on inside those 4 walls is a really positive influence on those people, and I cant begrudge them that small slice of happiness.

[implacable44]

it is not b.s. -- Obama always talks about how terrible the country is and how you cannot make it and we need to distribute the wealth and tax these rich folks who have been keeping you down and I am the one to do it. You cannot make it in this country -- you need the government to help you -- you need me to help you.

[implacable44]

and how is McCain's campaign more negative ? Obama's whole philosophy on McCain is to call him George Bush III .. how canyou get any more negative than that ?

[MannyIsGod]

:lol @ how is McCain's campaign more negative

What universe do you live in? Seriously?

[implacable44]

:lol @ how is McCain's campaign more negative

What universe do you live in? Seriously?

Manny -- what is more negative than being called Bush the 3rd -- or four more years of W ? You think W is the devil incarnate right .. so what can be more negative than that ?

[Warlord23]

Since when did the phrase "George W. Bush" become an insult? Comparing McCain and Bush on policy is not being negative. The message is still based on the issues.

Diverting attention from the issues to Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, birth certificates, pro-American vs anti-American, etc is being negative. And that's what the Republicans have done.

[DarkReign]

Manny -- what is more negative than being called Bush the 3rd -- or four more years of W ? You think W is the devil incarnate right .. so what can be more negative than that ?

I cant speak for Manny, but no, I do not think Bush Jr is the devil incarnate.

[implacable44]

Since when did the phrase "George W. Bush" become an insult? Comparing McCain and Bush on policy is not being negative. The message is still based on the issues.

Diverting attention from the issues to Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, birth certificates, pro-American vs anti-American, etc is being negative. And that's what the Republicans have done.

oh like the age comments, trooper gate , siding with Bush 90% of the time ( while Obama voted "present" 90% of the time) , alaska independance party etc ? like those type of things ?

[DarrinS]

Since when did the phrase "George W. Bush" become an insult? Comparing McCain and Bush on policy is not being negative. The message is still based on the issues.



Well, since W is one of the least popular presidents ever -- I'd say it is negative.




Diverting attention from the issues to Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, birth certificates, pro-American vs anti-American, etc is being negative. And that's what the Republicans have done.


McCain didn't choose who Obama associated with in his past.

[Anti.Hero]

Not a positive reason, but I didn't expect you to actually understand the question.

Of course it is. I wouldn't expect you do understand an answer that does not agree with your own.

[Anti.Hero]

it is not b.s. -- Obama always talks about how terrible the country is and how you cannot make it and we need to distribute the wealth and tax these rich folks who have been keeping you down and I am the one to do it. You cannot make it in this country -- you need the government to help you -- you need me to help you.

Bingo Bingo Bingo Bingo

[implacable44]

now it is $120K ? how low will it go ?????
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/31/low-richardson-pegs-middle-class-making/

[Spurminator]

What is Gov. Richardson's relationship with the Obama campaign?