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xtremesteven33
10-30-2008, 11:12 AM
BOSTON – They gave Paul Pierce the microphone at center court to do the brief, obligatory opening night welcome to the fans and the Celtics captain turned it into an Academy Award acceptance speech. There wasn’t much about Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen, about the Celtics repeating as champions, yet rather a personal walk down memory lane, a self-indulging tribute to friends and family and business associates responsible for his championship journey.


It was oddly out of place, and out of context for a night that wasn’t about Pierce, but a 17th championship banner rising to the rafters. Yes, LeBron James had to wish he stayed in the locker room a little longer. For him, this was dreadful vision. He has rapidly become tired of Celtics history and Celtics pride and, maybe most of all, the Celtics standing in the way of his championship ambitions.

James left Pierce in the Garden five months ago, left on the losing end of a Game 7 when LeBron’s 45 points couldn’t beat Pierce’s 41 and the Celtics in the Eastern Conference semifinals. They had a Larry Bird-Dominique Wilkins duel, and rest assured that James loathes playing the part of the foil. ‘Bron’s no ‘Nique.


“I let it go quickly,” James said Tuesday night.


James wants to challenge Kobe Bryant as the best player on the planet, but he can’t do it until he meets him in the NBA Finals. Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen will make it hard for LeBron to get there as a Cavalier. There’s no Big 3 in Cleveland. Just a restless LeBron and solid, if unspectacular, cast of co-stars. He returns with an upgraded point guard, Mo Williams, and an urgency that is palpable for the Cavs.

The months passed, but nothing has changed on opening night. James missed a driving layup in the final minute and two free throws in the final 10.6 seconds of a 90-85 loss to the Celtics. Pierce had his way with 27 points, and James 22 points on 21 shots, with a start of a new season for the Cavs that felt too much like the end of the old one.

With James, the Cavaliers are running out of time. It’s two seasons and counting until he can become a free agent. To listen to Cleveland owner Dan Gilbert dismiss the possibility of James leaving in the summer of 2010 for a bigger market as a product of “bored sportswriters” is beyond laughable. These aren’t bored sportswriters, but a restless superstar and a stable of handlers seemingly sold on his exit.


Gilbert knows better, and so does everyone else inside and outside the Cavaliers. James has one foot out the door in Cleveland. From NBA executives, to Team USA staff and players, to sneak reps: They all believe James has one foot out of the hometown.

Privately, James’ circle had been telling people that they don’t just expect him to leave in the summer of 2010, but in the words of one James associate to a high-ranking league official: He’s gone.

This isn’t an indictment of Cavaliers GM Danny Ferry and the roster he’s constructed around his superstar. He’s done a good, creative job without chips to trade, without high draft picks. This won’t be a basketball decision as much as it will be James believing he needs the platform of a major market to transport himself into a bigger global entity.

Here’s the good news for Cavaliers fans: Things can change in two years, and James’ preferred destination, the Nets, is a franchise falling apart. Over the summer, James publicly declared Brooklyn his favorite borough in New York, but the prospects of joining his kindred spirit, rapping mogul Jay-Z, is fading fast.

For James, two things had to happen for him to make the move to the Nets. First, they had to have a nucleus of players minimally comparable to the cast he’d be leaving in Cleveland. Between now and 2010, the Nets desperately need Yi Jianlian and Brook Lopez to develop into frontline players.

But the biggest issue is this: James is never going to play for the New Jersey Nets. Brooklyn, yes. New Jersey? He doesn’t love Jay-Z that much. James needs to be walking into the Brooklyn palace that owner Bruce Ratner has been desperately trying to get financed and constructed for the 2011-2012 season.


Yet now, the Nets are such a vulnerable franchise, the $3.5 billion Atlantic Yards arena project in such doubt, ownership groups from Russia and Dubai have expressed interest in buying out Ratner and taking over the team, Yahoo! Sports has learned. So far, he has resisted, but he’s losing an estimated $30 million a year as court cases and a decaying economy have pushed the project to the brink of collapse.


Where would this leave James? Well, it was no accident that William Wesley – the ubiquitous World Wide Wes – happened to travel to upstate New York to check on the Knicks’ training camp. Leon Rose is officially James’ agent, but everyone knows that his advisor, Wesley, is the powerbroker of that alliance.


Donnie Walsh, the Knicks GM, had heard for years about Wesley’s influence, but never met him. The two didn’t talk about James, sources say, but it was a chance for the Knicks president to be around one of the most influential people in James’ decision-making process. The Knicks are working hard to get under the salary cap in 2010.

With the Knicks, there are two teams a source familiar with James’ thinking says intrigue him: The Los Angeles Lakers and Dallas Mavericks.

For now, the Cavaliers are working furiously to make it hard for James to leave in 2010. They’ll have significant cap space that summer too, and sources say they’ve targeted the Toronto Raptors’ Chris Bosh to play with him.

Odds are long that the Cavaliers will ever see that duo, but things can change in two years. All they can do now is pray that it will be James holding the trophy in the next two years. If that happens, there will be no Cavaliers legends to bring back that night, no championship banners hanging besides the one that James raises there.

He is the history and the present of that franchise. The future? Whatever Cleveland’s indignant owner keeps saying, just understand: It’s two seasons and counting. Jay-Z and Brooklyn are fading fast, but that doesn’t change the truth that Cleveland is still holding onto LeBron James by a thread, still hanging by a prayer.




http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-lebron102908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

LA24
10-30-2008, 11:17 AM
As long as Kobe is in LA, Lebron will never come here. He wouldn't want to be on
the same team as Kobe and vice versa.

monosylab1k
10-30-2008, 11:20 AM
He'll be a member of the Oklahoma City Thunder before he's a member of the Mavs, but if somehow by some crazy way my ultimate wet dream comes true and he DOES come to Dallas, I'd shit on a homeless guy out of pure joy.

2Cleva
10-30-2008, 11:21 AM
I disagree with that aspect but LA can't pay him max. Even with marketing opportunities, he's not making less than max.

He's not going to Dallas either. The Knicks it will be.

xtremesteven33
10-30-2008, 11:24 AM
James will be a Knick....might as well write it in stone

Findog
10-30-2008, 11:35 AM
He's not going to Dallas, but it is nice to see that the perception of Dallas is such that guys like LeBron and Kobe have either mused about it or put us on the short list of teams to be traded to.

Findog
10-30-2008, 11:36 AM
He'll be a member of the Oklahoma City Thunder before he's a member of the Mavs, but if somehow by some crazy way my ultimate wet dream comes true and he DOES come to Dallas, I'd shit on a homeless guy out of pure joy.

I'd never eat a KFC bowl again.

spurs_fan_in_exile
10-30-2008, 11:42 AM
Is he really that eager for Cowboys season tickets?

DPG21920
10-30-2008, 11:45 AM
I guess Lebron has never eaten at Alamo Cafe

dirk4mvp
10-30-2008, 12:39 PM
I'd never eat a KFC bowl again.


I'd actually eat one of those bowls.

Dex
10-30-2008, 12:43 PM
He'll be a member of the Oklahoma City Thunder before he's a member of the Mavs, but if somehow by some crazy way my ultimate wet dream comes true and he DOES come to Dallas, I'd shit on a homeless guy out of pure joy.

Somebody bookmark this.

Just in case.

angelbelow
10-30-2008, 01:02 PM
hahahaha

Allanon
10-30-2008, 01:21 PM
Somebody bookmark this.

Just in case.

We'll hold him to it.

LA24 said LeBron will never play with Kobe and that I believe is true as well.

I agree the Knicks it is. Lost in all the Jay-Z connections, is the fact that the Knicks will have the money. They'll have enough money to sign BOTH LeBron and DWade/Amare/Bosh.

With all their cap clearing they'll have $40 million in cap space and one of the richest backers in the NBA.

Danilo, Wade, Jamal Crawford/David Lee, LeBron could be a championship core.

Thunder Dan
10-30-2008, 01:42 PM
We'll hold him to it.

LA24 said LeBron will never play with Kobe and that I believe is true as well.

I agree the Knicks it is. Lost in all the Jay-Z connections, is the fact that the Knicks will have the money. They'll have enough money to sign BOTH LeBron and DWade/Amare/Bosh.

With all their cap clearing they'll have $40 million in cap space and one of the richest backers in the NBA.

Danilo, Wade, Jamal Crawford/David Lee, LeBron could be a championship core.

and fill the rest of the roster with who?- If you look at their cap space, and fill in 2 max contracts, they won't have enough money to have 6 d-leaguers sit on the bench

I posted this yesterday, but it still applies


I know everyone will think I'm just being a homer but if you choose to listen to me I might make some sense

First, Lebron doesn't know if he is staying in Cleveland or leaving in 2 years. Alot can change in 2 years. The Cavs have expiring contracts that would allow them to make a HUGE trade this season- and have money in 2010 to sign Lebron AND another huge star. If the Cavs win the championship in 2011 it's hard to imagine the face of the franchise leaving...know what I mean?

Second, He isn't going to he a Net. The Nets won't be in Brooklyn in 2 years because they have not even passed the right papers to start building an arena. I know he is friends with JayZ- but he will not play 2nd fiddle if he leaves to go to New York. Nobody wants to go to LA and dreams of playing for the Clippers- and when someone says they want to play baseball in New York, they are not talking about the Mets. You could argue that Lebron would want to be a Knick- HOWEVER, he would be leaving a team that is built around him for a team that is in shambles, and won't be able to make ANY major changes till the 2010 offseason when they would have the money to only spend on one star (Lebron). If Lebron is truly concerned about winning championship, he won't do himself any favors going to the Knicks.

Finally and most importantly, you have to take EVERYTHING you read with a grain of salt. These reporters, ESPN..all the networks NEED Lebron in New York. Think about it, if he is in New York that makes the Knicks relevant and brings the largest market in the NBA back into the market. They write like the deal is already done because they desperately hope the deal will be done. ESPN would love 8 million more viewers of their NBA coverage from the NYC area. SI would love to sell 8 million more magazines. The NYC sports area would love the Knicks to be good again just so they can get ratings and sell magazines. It's all money to them- that is why they write like Lebron already knows.

Here is the truth:

1) He doesn't know. Alot could change- if the Cavs are great, he ain't leaving. If the Cavs suck, I bet he leaves.

2) He can make more money in Cleveland. If he leaves Cleveland he takes 2 steps back in terms of contract money because in the NBA you make more money the longer you are with a team.

3) Nike will pay him regardless of where he plays. He could play in New York, Cleveland, or Nova Scotia- it doesn't matter, he will get what he wants. Think about it, what are they going to say "Sorry Lebron, we would give you $10 million in Cleveland, but $20 million in NYC" --now not only does this break NBA rules, but he could just say "Alright, Adidas will give me $20,000,000 wherever I play" --he is the most marketable player in the NBA, and has more than proven his worth; he will get his money no matter where he plays because Nike does NOT want to lose him


With all that said, I don't know what he will do, he doesn't know- only Stephen A Smith knows.

Allanon
10-30-2008, 02:15 PM
The Knicks are owned by CableVision which has money to burn.

If you look at the Knicks, they're paying $100 million this year.

In 2010, they'll have $45 million in salary (if they don't trade Curry and Zach).

That leaves them with $60 million to work with.

LeBron + Wade ~ $45 million. They'll have $15 million for bench guys.

And everybody knows they're trying to drop Zach and Eddy Curry so I wouldn't be surprised if they get rid of that $30 million combined salary by 2010.

I'm guessing in 2010, they'll have $30 million committed in salary with $70 million to spend that summer on LeBron and another Superstar, while keeping Jamal, Danilo & David Lee.

byrdman31
10-30-2008, 02:33 PM
hes going to the Brooklyn Nets :greedy

turiaf for president
10-30-2008, 03:01 PM
cavs realize lebrons gonna leave after 2010 and trade him to the lakers for bynum next year. =D

crazy wishful thinking but that would be awesome for laker fans

Thunder Dan
10-30-2008, 04:17 PM
hes going to the Brooklyn Nets :greedy

The Nets won't be in Brooklyn by 2010- they would have to pass the right papers AND build a stadium in less than a year

exstatic
10-30-2008, 07:44 PM
The Knicks are owned by CableVision which has money to burn.

If you look at the Knicks, they're paying $100 million this year.

In 2010, they'll have $45 million in salary (if they don't trade Curry and Zach).

That leaves them with $60 million to work with.

LeBron + Wade ~ $45 million. They'll have $15 million for bench guys.

And everybody knows they're trying to drop Zach and Eddy Curry so I wouldn't be surprised if they get rid of that $30 million combined salary by 2010.

I'm guessing in 2010, they'll have $30 million committed in salary with $70 million to spend that summer on LeBron and another Superstar, while keeping Jamal, Danilo & David Lee.

You just have NO idea how the salary cap works, do you? If they drop from $105M to $45M, they don't have $60M in cap room to work with, they have salary cap - $45M - money for each roster slot to work with, which was about $10M this year, but would depend on how many empty slots they have.

Allanon
10-30-2008, 07:50 PM
You just have NO idea how the salary cap works, do you? If they drop from $105M to $45M, they don't have $60M in cap room to work with, they have salary cap - $45M - money for each roster slot to work with, which was about $10M this year, but would depend on how many empty slots they have.

You're being critical, I miswrote "cap" instead of spending money. No need to be a dick about it.

This is the Knicks, not the Spurs.

Of course $100 million isn't the "real" cap but that's what the Knicks are willing to pay. If they're carrying a $100 million loser team, how much would they pay for a winner with LeBron?

exstatic
10-30-2008, 07:55 PM
You're being critical, I miswrote "cap" instead of spending money. No need to be a dick about it.

This is the Knicks, not the Spurs.

Of course $100 million isn't the "real" cap but that's what the Knicks are willing to pay. If they're carrying a $100 million loser team, how much would they pay for a winner with LeBron?

It doesn't matter what you're "willing to pay". If that $60M comes off the books, it vanishes like a fart in the wind.

(Salary Cap - $45M - money for empty slots(usually minimum) )

They'll have somewhat less than $10M to spend by league rules.

Allanon
10-30-2008, 07:57 PM
It doesn't matter what you're "willing to pay". If that $60M comes off the books, it vanishes like a fart in the wind.

(Salary Cap - $45M - money for empty slots(usually minimum) )

They'll have somewhat less than $10M to spend by league rules.

How does it not matter "what you're willing to pay".

The salary cap ain't gonna stop the Knicks from paying to get LeBron & Wade, so why does the salary cap matter (other than for tax)?

exstatic
10-30-2008, 07:59 PM
How does it not matter "what you're willing to pay".

The salary cap ain't gonna stop the Knicks from paying to get LeBron & Wade, so why does the salary cap matter?

I'll stop trying to educate you on the collective bargaining agreement, because it seems that you think teams can wave their magic wand and sign whoever they want, if they have the money. If that were the case, Cuban would have bought a title long ago. Have fun in fantasy land.

Allanon
10-30-2008, 08:00 PM
I'll stop trying to educate you on the collective bargaining agreement, because it seems that you think teams can wave their magic wand and sign whoever they want, if they have the money. Have fun in fantasy land.

Now I'm wondering if YOU know anything about the CBA.

Why can't they sign whomever (unrestricted free agent) they want as long as they have money?

exstatic
10-30-2008, 08:04 PM
It's a little thing called the salary cap. This year, it's around $55-56M. You can go over it to sign your own players, using Bird rights to retain your own free agents, or signing other players to the Mid level exception. That's how NY got so bloated. The thing is, to sign other team's free agents to anything above the MLE, you must be below the cap by the amount you want to spend. To get two good young'uns, they need to be $25M-$30M under the cap.

turiaf for president
10-30-2008, 08:05 PM
ok u both are a confusing people lol.

salary cap is about 60 mil. it increases a bit each year but not much.

the knicks have 100 million pay roll in witch 60-65 will come off by 2010. if their payroll is 45 million like u guys are saying, the salary cap will be about 60 mil so they have 15 million to spend to go after free agents. They cant sign anyone after their salary cap is filled to 60 million UNLESS it is their own free agent.

kind of like how the clippers were trying to sign baron davis because they were 20 million under the cap after elton brand opting out. after davis filled up the 12 million he signed for per year the clippers had 8 million under the cap to sign anyone. they offered brand 13-14 mil a year. if brand wasnt a clipper, they could not have signed him to 13-14 a year because that would put them over the cap. however since brand was a clipper they were able to sign him to a higher contract and go over the salary cap. theres a small percentage of leeway that u can go over the cap.

Now IF u are over that small gap, the league taxes you dollar for dollar for each dollar u are over the cap. so back to the kicks example

45 million committed in salaries.

lebron and wade = 40 mil a year (hypotheically speaking)

thats 85 million. they cannot sign both because they were not a knick and a salary cap of about 60-62 million would prevent them from signing them.

now if they signed lebron at 20, taht would make their payroll at 65 mil. They cannot sign any more free agents but they can sign their own free agents to get them over the cap but dolan would have to pay a dollar for dollar tax.

im guessing you both know this but didnt word it correctly

Allanon
10-30-2008, 08:09 PM
Exactly, well written Turiaf, and that's what I said:



LeBron + Wade ~ $45 million. They'll have $15 million for bench guys.

And everybody knows they're trying to drop Zach and Eddy Curry so I wouldn't be surprised if they get rid of that $30 million combined salary by 2010.

I'm guessing in 2010, they'll have $30 million committed in salary with $70 million to spend that summer on LeBron and another Superstar, while keeping Jamal, Danilo & David Lee.