"They call it socialism, I call it fairness"

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Straight from Obama's mouth on the U of M campus.

Well, at least he's being honest now. All you folks who said he wasn't a socialist, please check in here.

[ChumpDumper]

He admitted to being a fairnessist.

[Shastafarian]

Straight from Obama's mouth on the U of M campus.

Well, at least he's being honest now. All you folks who said he wasn't a socialist, please check in here.

*sigh*

Maybe he meant people classifying his stances on socialism were wrong about what socialism is. That ever cross your mind?

[Warlord23]

Context, AHF, context.

When we say (regarding Bruce Bowen), "They call it dirty, we call it crafty", we aren't admitting that the whiny Suns fan is correct when he calls Bowen dirty. We are simply pointing out that they are using "dirty" for something that is crafty, but not dirty.

Now replace Obama with Bowen, "socialism" with "dirty", "fairness" with "crafty", and your biased ass with whiny Suns fan, and it makes for a perfect metaphor.

Sun fan allegation doesn't make Bowen dirty, just like brainless Republican catch-phrase doesn't make Obama socialist.

[Spurminator]

Jesus Christ dude.

[CubanMustGo]

Now, be nice. AHF has been drinking the neocon koolaid for a long time.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Now, be nice. AHF has been drinking the neocon koolaid for a long time.

Actually I consider myself a libertarian, but there's only two viable candidates this election and Obama's so far to the left he's pushed me hard to McCain.

[boutons_]

McNasty admitted today or last night that HUSSEIN was NOT a socialist, on Larry "softball" King, IIRC.

[boutons_]

http://democraticactionteam.org/redstatesocialism/index.html

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3041/2987025203_fc2c517522_o.jpg

[Mr. Peabody]

Straight from Obama's mouth on the U of M campus.

Well, at least he's being honest now. All you folks who said he wasn't a socialist, please check in here.

Well, I guess that's it then. Point proven. He tried to hide it as long as he could, but you and the right wing radio guys were just too smart.

So, I guess this means the election is over now, huh? I mean, America won't support a socialist, right?

Oh well. Obama tried.

[SnakeBoy]

Actually I consider myself a libertarian,

Why?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

boutons just owned AHF.

[balli]

:lol

[Findog]

Why are conservatives so dumb? Socialism is when the government owns the means of production. According to conservatards, the difference between capitalism and socialism is a top tax bracket of 39 percent instead of 36 percent. Distribution of wealth has NOTHING to do with the government owning the means of production. The recent partial nationalization of the banks is an example of partial, limited socialism.

The top tax rate will go back to 39 percent in 2010 if the Bush tax cuts expire. Neither candidate will be able to extend them. The difference in their positions is that Obama would seek to repeal the Bush tax cuts right away for the top earners, McCain would let them expire in 2010. So I guess they're both "socialists."

Idiot conservatards.

[Findog]

"And Alaska — we're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs."

I think I could hear The Internationale playing in the background.

Why are conservatards so dumb?

[implacable44]

Now, be nice. AHF has been drinking the neocon koolaid for a long time.

Do you even know what a Neocon is ?

[DarrinS]

There are people actually embracing socialism these days.


example




What's so bad about socialism? Sweden is a real hellhole.

[implacable44]

Why are conservatives so dumb? Socialism is when the government owns the means of production. According to conservatards, the difference between capitalism and socialism is a top tax bracket of 39 percent instead of 36 percent. Distribution of wealth has NOTHING to do with the government owning the means of production. The recent partial nationalization of the banks is an example of partial, limited socialism.

The top tax rate will go back to 39 percent in 2010 if the Bush tax cuts expire. Neither candidate will be able to extend them. The difference in their positions is that Obama would seek to repeal the Bush tax cuts right away for the top earners, McCain would let them expire in 2010. So I guess they're both "socialists."

Idiot conservatards.

Why are you so dumb ? You are describing one view of Socilaism and it is not even a popular one. Socialists hate capitalism because they believe that the wealth is concentrated among a small portion of society and makes it an unfair system. There are different theories of socialism -- all with the point being to distribute the wealth evenly

[MannyIsGod]

There are people actually embracing socialism these days.


example

Word is we're going to pass entitlements, a welfare system, and a progressive income tax if Obama becomes president. Its amazing the new socialism that people are willing to accept in this country.

[MannyIsGod]

Why are you so dumb ? You are describing one view of Socilaism and it is not even a popular one. Socialists hate capitalism because they believe that the wealth is concentrated among a small portion of society and makes it an unfair system. There are different theories of socialism -- all with the point being to distribute the wealth evenly

If that's your definition of socialism then you are in a socialist country.

[DarrinS]

Word is we're going to pass entitlements, a welfare system, and a progressive income tax if Obama becomes president. Its amazing the new socialism that people are willing to accept in this country.


All very consistent with a socialist agenda.

[MannyIsGod]

All very consistent with a socialist agenda.

Then you live in a socialist country and we've had the most socialist president in history for the past 8 years and 2 socialist candidates right now. If you want to expand your definition of socialism to make Obama a banner example then you might as well acknowledge that you live in a country that has long embraced "socialism" and stop trying to make it seem as though Obama is going to nationalize the entire economy (although I admit that might be done before he takes office by the socialist republican administration).

[implacable44]

we have been moving toward socialism since the inception of the New Deal that was supposed to expire but never did - darn slippery slope...

[DarrinS]

Then you live in a socialist country and we've had the most socialist president in history for the past 8 years and 2 socialist candidates right now. If you want to expand your definition of socialism to make Obama a banner example then you might as well acknowledge that you live in a country that has long embraced "socialism" and stop trying to make it seem as though Obama is going to nationalize the entire economy (although I admit that might be done before he takes office by the socialist republican administration).



I don't disagree with any of that. I just don't thing the solution to our problems is to grow the govt even more and become even more socialist.

[MannyIsGod]

we have been moving toward socialism since the inception of the New Deal that was supposed to expire but never did - darn slippery slope...

Thats a nice observation but you fail to point out the alleged negatives.

[Findog]

Why are you so dumb ? You are describing one view of Socilaism and it is not even a popular one.

That's the definition of socialism. Socialism means the government owns the means of production. Period. I know that the correction definition of socialism isn't "popular" with the Hannitards, because without it they can't define Obama as a Socialist.




Socialists hate capitalism because they believe that the wealth is concentrated among a small portion of society and makes it an unfair system.

Socialists do indeed prefer a more equitable distribution of income, but so do most economists. It's not healthy to have the extreme concentration of wealth directed upwards into the highest tax brackets like what has taken place over the past eight years. The arguments against progressive taxation is that it's not fair and it's better to let the rich keep their money and invest it in the economy rather than giving it to the government, which would lead to greater prosperity and job creation. Well, Bush's taxes have led to greater prosperity for the highest brackets, but we're hemorrhaging jobs and the economy's in the shitter. How have Bushonomics worked out the past eight years? We tried it your way and it doesn't work.


There are different theories of socialism -- all with the point being to distribute the wealth evenly

There is ONE definition of socialism you conservatard. Socialism is when the government owns the means of production. If conservatards are to be believed, the difference between capitalism and socialism is the difference between taxing the highest brackets at 36 percent and 39 percent. Brilliant, insightful, trenchant analysis. :tu

[MannyIsGod]

I don't disagree with any of that. I just don't thing the solution to our problems is to grow the govt even more and become even more socialist.

And I think if anyone is going to bring us smaller government it certainly isn't the Republicans. The largest decrease in federal bureaucracy in modern times was during the Clinton administration.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh and for the record I'm a believer that certain government programs need to be expanded and others decreased. That has nothing to do with socialism but simply with running our country efficently.

My problem lies with this labeling of Obama as a socialist under the false context that he's a huge departure from our current leadership or McCain.

[implacable44]

That is not an Observation - we can actually start with Woodrow Wilson ( read the Forgotten Man and Liberal Fascism) and move forward. The New Deal -- Social Security is a drain on the system and has been - should have never been done or allowed to expire like it was supposed to... Just read those books and you will see all the negatives. I can refer a few others to you -- There aren't many pictures though so it might not help you as much as it would a person with say a 5th grade reading level.

[MannyIsGod]

That is not an Observation - we can actually start with Woodrow Wilson ( read the Forgotten Man and Liberal Fascism) and move forward. The New Deal -- Social Security is a drain on the system and has been - should have never been done or allowed to expire like it was supposed to... Just read those books and you will see all the negatives. I can refer a few others to you -- There aren't many pictures though so it might not help you as much as it would a person with say a 5th grade reading level.

Obviously it is my reading level that is lacking. It is obvious by your incredible grammar skills combined with your obvious understanding of the word observation.

I merely strive to reach half of your intellect. I set attainable goals.

[implacable44]

That's the definition of socialism. Socialism means the government owns the means of production. Period. I know that the correction definition of socialism isn't "popular" with the Hannitards, because without it they can't define Obama as a Socialist.





Socialists do indeed prefer a more equitable distribution of income, but so do most economists. It's not healthy to have the extreme concentration of wealth directed upwards into the highest tax brackets like what has taken place over the past eight years. The arguments against progressive taxation is that it's not fair and it's better to let the rich keep their money and invest it in the economy rather than giving it to the government, which would lead to greater prosperity and job creation. Well, Bush's taxes have led to greater prosperity for the highest brackets, but we're hemorrhaging jobs and the economy's in the shitter. How have Bushonomics worked out the past eight years? We tried it your way and it doesn't work.



There is ONE definition of socialism you conservatard. Socialism is when the government owns the means of production. If conservatards are to be believed, the difference between capitalism and socialism is the difference between taxing the highest brackets at 36 percent and 39 percent. Brilliant, insightful, trenchant analysis. :tu


No retard it does not mean the government owns the means of production. IT is "collectively" owned and administrated or better word distributed. you liberalerinatard. and if you want to be realistic - socialism is just a half-way house towards communism. Therer are several different theories and forms of socialism. it is like talking ot the freaking wall.

What kind of government is China running now ?

you say the bush economics dont work and the economy is in the crapper - the economy of the whole world is in the crapper Einstein - Socialist nations - Communists -- Old Chavez is having trouble keeping the lights on for his people - it doesn't work. Capitalism works. THe system will correct itself. Small government -- lower taxes will attract businesses here and they will bring jobs. The USA might actually start to produce something again instead of just consuming and taking out l ines of credit.

[implacable44]

Obviously it is my reading level that is lacking. It is obvious by your incredible grammar skills combined with your obvious understanding of the word observation.

I merely strive to reach half of your intellect. I set attainable goals.

Are you still here ? Run along now ... go pass out some cigs to homeless folks and drive them to the voting booth for Obama. Register the Spurs in Ohio to vote for him too... run along

[MannyIsGod]

You think the root of the current economic problems lie within socialist countries and you make these claims in the same post you use to call someone else retarded? Well, I suppose life is easier when you walk around with a low level understanding of the world you live in.

The US still produces many things but I can understand why you fail to see the value in ideas and only the value in trinkets that come from an assembly line. It usually takes someone a bit smarter to understand the concept of seeing value in information.

[byrontx]

implacable44, imagine that some people would claim that the average working person's lot had improved since the New Deal. What do they know, right? It was far better when a man would earn an honest dollar for a day's twelve hour labor, was it not? Oh yeah, and when sluggards (and their families) could be jailed for not paying their bills on time.

[MannyIsGod]

Are you still here ? Run along now ... go pass out some cigs to homeless folks and drive them to the voting booth for Obama. Register the Spurs in Ohio to vote for him too... run along

:lol

I'm merely sitting here enjoying the trainwrecks that are your posts. Carry on, don't let me distract you from your nonsensical ramblings.

:toast

[Findog]

No retard it does not mean the government owns the means of production.

Sorry, but that is what socialism is. If you have trouble with that concept, then there's really no point in trying to talk sense to you.



What kind of government is China running now ?

China is a dictatorship. You didn't ask me what kind of economy they're running, mostly a market economy.




you say the bush economics dont work and the economy is in the crapper - the economy of the whole world is in the crapper Einstein - Socialist nations - Communists -- Old Chavez is having trouble keeping the lights on for his people - it doesn't work.

So Sweden embarked on a program of drastic deregulation and drove the world economy into the crapper. Thanks for the analysis

[DarrinS]

And I think if anyone is going to bring us smaller government it certainly isn't the Republicans. The largest decrease in federal bureaucracy in modern times was during the Clinton administration.



Well, the govt definitely got larger under Bush, that's for sure.


As for the federal bureaucracy decrasing under Clinton, do you have any sources for that? I've never heard that before.

[MannyIsGod]

The National Performance Review

One of the most ambitious, and, by many accounts, most successful attempts to reform and reshape the bureaucracy was Vice President Al Gore's National Performance Review (NPR). The stated goals of the NPR were to:

Cut "red tape & rules" by half
Establish "Customer Service" standards for every department, agency and bureau
Give bureaucrats at the "street-level," where they interact with the people, more discretion to respond to particular needs and circumstances
Eliminate waste, overlap and duplication Despite its focus on changing the bureaucratic culture of government administration, the first NPR Report was a stereotypically "bureaucratic" document. It was too-long and too technical and was largely ignored. In contrast, the second report, the cover of which is pictured on the right, was short, easy to read and filled with Dilbert cartoons. The second report is symbolic of the ways the bureaucracy has changed and is continuing to change. There is a heightened sense of accountability to the people, the "customers" of each agency and department. And there is a greater willingness to engage in critical self-evaluation and change. As the cartoons suggest, the bureaucracy might even be learning to laugh at itself a bit. For an update on the National Performance Review and its successes, you can visit the NPR web site (http://www.npr.gov/).
With George W. Bush's victory in 2000, the NPR was disbanded in favor of other reform efforts. But the NPR's impact has outlasted its existence as a formal bureaucratic reform initiative.


http://www.thisnation.com/textbook/bureaucracy-reform.html

[ploto]

China is a dictatorship. You didn't ask me what kind of economy they're running, mostly a market economy.


I am so tired of people who do not know the difference between economic systems and governmental systems.

[implacable44]

Sorry, but that is what socialism is. If you have trouble with that concept, then there's really no point in trying to talk sense to you.



China is a dictatorship. You didn't ask me what kind of economy they're running, mostly a market economy.




So Sweden embarked on a program of drastic deregulation and drove the world economy into the crapper. Thanks for the analysis

No sir - that is not what socialism is - look it up --even the webster definition will not return such a simpleton view on Socialism.

China is a dictatorship and a market economy ? That is all I need to know about your understanding of governemtn and economy --

Sweden ? all of the Obamaites love to look at Sweden - as of today -- not the Sweden of the 1990's though where they suffered a meltdown very similar to what we are going through when the real estate bubble burst.

[TheMadHatter]

I laugh sometimes at the knee-jerk conservatives who freak out when they hear "socialism". 99% of them have thus far shown they have no idea what socialism really is. They likely don't even know what communism is. They simply live in fear of that which is foreign and unknown to them.

[Findog]

I am so tired of people who do not know the difference between economic systems and governmental systems.

Well, the party of Robert Taft, Dwight Eisenhower and William F. Buckley is dead. To be replaced by this:

http://poplicks.com/images/sarah-palin.jpg

http://theboxinthecorner.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/idiocracy1.jpg

[implacable44]

I laugh sometimes at the knee-jerk conservatives who freak out when they hear "socialism". 99% of them have thus far shown they have no idea what socialism really is. They likely don't even know what communism is. They simply live in fear of that which is foreign and unknown to them.

I think you are referring to yourself when you speak about lack of understanding

[Findog]

No sir - that is not what socialism is - look it up --even the webster definition will not return such a simpleton view on Socialism.



"Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society."



China is a dictatorship and a market economy ? That is all I need to know about your understanding of governemtn and economy --

Right, all capitalist, market-based societies are inherently democratic. :rolleyes

Seriously, how can people be this dumb?

[MannyIsGod]

I am so tired of people who do not know the difference between economic systems and governmental systems.

Its just annoying that people can't discern the American sphere of politics and where it lies in the entire political spectrum. Actually its really just annoying that people are fucking retarded and my first state is merely a symptom of this disease.

[implacable44]

Right, all capitalist, market-based societies are inherently democratic. :rolleyes

Seriously, how can people be this dumb?

I didnt say they were democratic... How can you be that stupid ?

[MannyIsGod]

I didnt say they were democratic... How can you be that stupid ?

Irony at its best.

[Warlord23]

Well, the govt definitely got larger under Bush, that's for sure.


As for the federal bureaucracy decrasing under Clinton, do you have any sources for that? I've never heard that before.

How do you think Clinton achieved record decreases in the deficit and national debt? In fact he put up a budget surplus, which was unheard of in the Reagan/Bush Sr. era.

And then along came good old GWB and spent like a drunken sailor. Now we have a record high $ 10 trillion in federal debt, and a very real possibility that the dollar will suffer a back-breaking crash when other countries wise up to the fact that we have dug ourselves deeper and deeper into an unsustainably large hole.

Here's the data on the size of the federal budget by the way (USD trillions)
Clinton budgets (submitted the year before, obviously):
1996 - 1.6; 1997 - 1.6; 1998 - 1.7; 1999 - 1.7; 2000 - 1.8; 2001 - 1.9

Bush budgets (again, submitted the year before):
2002 - 2.0; 2003 - 2.2; 2004 - 2.3; 2005 - 2.4; 2006 - 2.7; 2007 - 2.77; 2008 - 2.9; 2009 - 3.1

Given your stance on fiscal conservatism, do you feel dumb for having voted for Bush now?

[boutons_]

Conservatives talking about balanced budgets and small govt is a huge reason why they have no credibility at this point, after the Repugs they put in office in to 2000 have so thoroughly raped govt, most often to the $advantage of the conservatives.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Why are you so dumb ? You are describing one view of Socilaism and it is not even a popular one. Socialists hate capitalism because they believe that the wealth is concentrated among a small portion of society and makes it an unfair system. There are different theories of socialism -- all with the point being to distribute the wealth evenly

QFT.

Seriously, how can any of you libtards that have watched our government operate over your lifetime think that Obama's solution of more government involvement in anything is a good thing for us?

And don't give me 'it was great until W. got elected', that's bullshit. The government's been growing steadily since the end of WW2, and that's a bad thing.

More bureaucracy isn't the answer today, it never has been. Yet Obama wants to have the government oversee damn near everything. Fuck that.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Conservatives talking about balanced budgets and small govt is a huge reason why they have no credibility at this point, after the Repugs they put in office in to 2000 have so thoroughly raped govt, most often to the $advantage of the conservatives.

Bush was a bad leader and despite being elected as a Republican was a liberal by definition ad action.

Conservatism is still a great core idea, too bad there's few in D.C. that practice it these days.

[DarkReign]

QFT.

Seriously, how can any of you libtards that have watched our government operate over your lifetime think that Obama's solution of more government involvement in anything is a good thing for us?

And don't give me 'it was great until W. got elected', that's bullshit. The government's been growing steadily since the end of WW2, and that's a bad thing.

More bureaucracy isn't the answer today, it never has been. Yet Obama wants to have the government oversee damn near everything. Fuck that.

Im sure you'll label me a libtard or some such, but pray tell, exactly what government programs do you propose cutting?

Moreover, in exactly which way is McCain different than Obama in this case?

Lastly, do you consider yourself a charitable person (or more specifically a good Christian)?

[Findog]

QFT.

Seriously, how can any of you libtards that have watched our government operate over your lifetime think that Obama's solution of more government involvement in anything is a good thing for us?

And don't give me 'it was great until W. got elected', that's bullshit. The government's been growing steadily since the end of WW2, and that's a bad thing.



How is increasing the rate on the highest earners from 36% to 39% socialism?

36% = capitalism
39% = socialism

Explain to me how that works.



More bureaucracy isn't the answer today, it never has been. Yet Obama wants to have the government oversee damn near everything. Fuck that.

Can you explain to me how lack of oversight of the credit default swap market was a good thing?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Why?

Read their platform - it stresses individual rights over any kind of government control. Basically, you're your own man and responsible for your successes for failures.

http://www.lp.org/platform

There's not much in there that I don't agree with. Paul is about as close to a libertarian as you can get, but his stance on foreign policy in particular doesn't jive with mine or really the libertarian ideal.

Basically, it's the only party platform that I see that really stresses the idea that people are responsible for their own lives and what they make of it, instead of the liberal dogma that government should be the great provider.

In short, it's the only party that seems to actually remember the fact we have a Constitution in this country and appears to have any sense of what that Constitution actually says or guarantees.

[hitmanyr2k]

Bush was a bad leader and despite being elected as a Republican was a liberal by definition ad action.


No, Bush is a true Republican by definition...an idiot, a moron, a liar, a big spender, a hypocrite, a clueless fuck up. Big spending is becoming the trend for "conservatives".

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

How is increasing the rate on the highest earners from 36% to 39% socialism?

36% = capitalism
39% = socialism

Explain to me how that works.

It's not about the tax rates that you cite. It's about giving people who don't pay any income taxes a check by increasing taxes on those who do.

Windfall profit taxes on oil that Obama wants, universal health care, I'm about of time here at lunch but those are more salient than your 3% tax bump.



Can you explain to me how lack of oversight of the credit default swap market was a good thing?

The facilities for the oversight were in place, but the idiots in charge were bribed off. Tell me how more 'oversight' is going to solve anything when the people who were on watch when that shit went down (Chris Dodd and Barnie Frank) were bought off by a preferred mortgage loan from Countrywide and an exec who liked to play butt darts with Frank, respectively, and in the aftermath neither is being held responsible but instead getting off scot free by blaming it all on Bush.

Where the fuck do you see any of that changing with any more insight? The only way it won't is if laws are put in place that sentence those in charge of oversight to lifetime prison sentences, but the assholes in D.C. would never do that to themselves.

Fuck, Ken Lay was villified for Enron, and what he did doesn't hold a candle to what those SOBs on Wall Street did and what those SOBs in D.C. let them get away with, and yet no one's ass is being held accountable for it, just all tagged on to Bush's list of failures.

Fucking bullshit.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

No, Bush is a true Republican by definition...an idiot, a moron, a liar, a big spender, a hypocrite, a clueless fuck up. Big spending is becoming the trend for "conservatives".

You have no idea what a conservative is, and neither do people like Bush.

They are RINOs (republican in name only).

Classic that you're trying to assert that all Republicans are idiots, morons, and liars, whatever. I don't know why I'm trying to reason with a dumbfuck like you who is that jaded.

[DarkReign]

Bush was a bad leader and despite being elected as a Republican was a liberal by definition ad action.

Conservatism is still a great core idea, too bad there's few in D.C. that practice it these days.


Now thats QFT.

McCain is no damn different than Obama....only McCain actually wants to buy another $300 billion in actual mortgages.

Move now, is my point. You dont want socialism, watered down definition or otherwise? Too bad, my man. Your Party of Red is playing this game as well.

How does that make you feel? To know how doggedly you defended the Republican party for all these years, becoming indignant at any who disagreed, only to find out your party turned its back on you before you could do the same.

Thats why you dont follow partisan politics, theyre all crooks and thieves and they'd just as soon fuck you and your red state daughter over as they would any blue state hippy.

[spurster]

We need to find some thread in 2004 for all those posters who praised BushCo then and now throwing BushCo under the bus.

[DarkReign]

We need to find some thread in 2004 for all those posters who praised BushCo then and now throwing BushCo under the bus.

Yeah, boy I have a feeling that would be a long list of some arrogant peeps gloating about the virtues of Dubya, even after 4 years of judgement to stand on.

[implacable44]

Yeah, boy I have a feeling that would be a long list of some arrogant peeps gloating about the virtues of Dubya, even after 4 years of judgement to stand on.

it will probably be really -- -really similar to that list that we can do in 2012 on Obama. Don't fool yourself - Both parties are guilty of the same sins.

[hitmanyr2k]

it will probably be really -- -really similar to that list that we can do in 2012 on Obama. Don't fool yourself - Both parties are guilty of the same sins.

The difference is we already had 4 years under Bush to know that he was just another moron Republican but you stupid fools and the bible belt idiots propped him up once again in 2004 and re-elected him anyway.

[implacable44]

The difference is we already had 4 years under Bush to know that he was just another moron Republican but you stupid fools and the bible belt idiots propped him up once again in 2004 and re-elected him anyway.

is that bigoted hate speech ?

We already had FDR, WIlson - and 4 years of Carter to know how it will be like under Obama .... as he attempts to move us towards the U.S.A.S.R.

[Anti.Hero]

Demonize capitalism, expand government.

Yes we Can. God bless the Americants.

[hitmanyr2k]

is that bigoted hate speech ?

No, that's honesty. Bush had the bible belt idiots in his back pocket and he knew it. All he had to do was spout his fake "morals" and "values" garbage and the bible belt would come running like sheep :lol

That's why McCain is losing this election. He hasn't kissed the religious right's ass enough.

[DarkReign]

How is increasing the rate on the highest earners from 36% to 39% socialism?

36% = capitalism
39% = socialism

Explain to me how that works.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/29/news/economy/candidates_tax_plans/index.htm

Check the table on the right.

Anyone care to explain how under McCain anyone making over $2.9 mill would pay half a mill less than currently, while with Obama theyd pay $600k+ more than current?

That doesnt sound as easy as going from 36% to 39%.

[Shastafarian]

http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/29/news/economy/candidates_tax_plans/index.htm

Check the table on the right.

Anyone care to explain how under McCain anyone making over $2.9 mill would pay half a mill less than currently, while with Obama theyd pay $600k+ more than current?

That doesnt sound as easy as going from 36% to 39%.

I would assume taking averages skews that.

[ChumpDumper]

Board Republicans have lost it.