Honest Question to Liberals

[Anti.Hero]

Does Obama's aunt living in a Boston slum raise any red-flags for you concerning Obama?

At first I figured, "just another distant relative on the deadbeat father's side...but he actually discusses her in his book. Citing how she has no government security to fall back on should she be laid off; all she has is family.

Not giving to charity while making 400k+ a year, having a half-brother living in a hut overseas (I brushed this off as just a distant half-relative), but now the aunt?

Seems like Obama is all talk to me.

[DarkReign]

Seems like Obama is all talk to me.

Shouldnt you be hoping so? Shit, he might be a cool candidate if he is the Ultimate Liar I'm looking for.

Lie his way to the White House only to tear shit down once in the big chair.

[implacable44]

Does Obama's aunt living in a Boston slum raise any red-flags for you concerning Obama?

At first I figured, "just another distant relative on the deadbeat father's side...but he actually discusses her in his book. Citing how she has no government security to fall back on should she be laid off; all she has is family.

Not giving to charity while making 400k+ a year, having a half-brother living in a hut overseas (I brushed this off as just a distant half-relative), but now the aunt?

Seems like Obama is all talk to me.

dude-- there is nothing to this story - put it will all the other "questionable" things on Obama's judgment - his associations - his character -- his beliefs. These are just garbage made up by the hate machine. See his plan will feed his aunt -- give her shelter -- he wont give any of his own money but he wants to give yours... not his -- yours. he wants to take yours and give it. I mean any plan that pushes charity (welfare or wealth redistribution) through compulsion (government) has got to be great right ? I mean since Obama lives his life that way and gives so much of his money to others..
just quit work the day he gets in office and he will take care of you -- that is the best option.

[implacable44]

Shouldnt you be hoping so? Shit, he might be a cool candidate if he is the Ultimate Liar I'm looking for.

Lie his way to the White House only to tear shit down once in the big chair.

wouldn't he just be the black "W" then ?

[AZLouis]

So what's next a Hobo the Aunt rally?

[JoeChalupa]

:sleep

[George Gervin's Afro]

Wouldn't having multiple DUIs and running businesses into the ground be a cause for concern? All of a sudden we have conservatives wanting to vet every known relationship of a democrat meanwhile dick and dubya had decided to put people's lives in danger due to their decisions to drive drunk. yet not a peep out of conservatives then .. that's wierd.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Does Obama's aunt living in a Boston slum raise any red-flags for you concerning Obama?

At first I figured, "just another distant relative on the deadbeat father's side...but he actually discusses her in his book. Citing how she has no government security to fall back on should she be laid off; all she has is family.

Not giving to charity while making 400k+ a year, having a half-brother living in a hut overseas (I brushed this off as just a distant half-relative), but now the aunt?

Seems like Obama is all talk to me.

So I assume you have reached out all of your distant relatives who aren't doing well? Would that be correct? Or is this one of those holding Obama to a completely different standard that you live by?

[JoeChalupa]

I guess Anti-Hero IS for spreading the wealth.

[Anti.Hero]

I'm

a) not running for president

b) not writing in my books about said family members' hard times of suffering

c) not preaching to others to be their "brother's keeper, sister's keeper"

d) not demanding wealth redistribution and spreading of your wealth

e) not making millions a year

f) not telling every family member/questionable acquaintance to keep their mouths shut until Nov 5.

g) not creating a false illusion of such a charitable public figure when in reality I do nothing I tell people they should be doing.

h) NOT CALLING OTHERS SELFISH.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

I'm

a) not running for president

b) not writing in my books about said family members' hard times of suffering

c) not preaching to others to be their "brother's keeper, sister's keeper"

d) not demanding wealth redistribution and spreading of your wealth

e) not making millions a year

f) not telling every family member/questionable acquaintance to keep their mouths shut until Nov 5.

g) not creating a false illusion of such a charitable public figure when in reality I do nothing I tell people they should be doing.

h) NOT CALLING OTHERS SELFISH.

I) not making a difference.

[Anti.Hero]

j) not looking to make a difference

[Bender]

what's the point, Anti ?


most people here... http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:YhBIj7xyiU4eoM:http://www.animalwebguide.com/Sheep-3.jpg

[Anti.Hero]

I'm planting the seed Bender!

[Bender]

good luck, in this place, anti...

more power to you!!

[ratm1221]

Honest Question to Conservatives.

What the hell is wrong with your brain? Use it. You lost any creditability when you elected George Bush.

[ChumpDumper]

It's stunning how weak these arguments have become over the past month.

Nothing is working, is it? Too bad for you guys.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

conservatives don't even agree on what they are and that is why they are now stuck with McSame.

[Shastafarian]

Does Obama's aunt living in a Boston slum raise any red-flags for you concerning Obama?

At first I figured, "just another distant relative on the deadbeat father's side...but he actually discusses her in his book. Citing how she has no government security to fall back on should she be laid off; all she has is family.

Not giving to charity while making 400k+ a year, having a half-brother living in a hut overseas (I brushed this off as just a distant half-relative), but now the aunt?

Seems like Obama is all talk to me.

bc7t_ET6SNQ

[spurster]

What obligations do any of us have to relatives we hardly know? I can't say that I feel very obligated to any of my aunts, uncles, or cousins even though we had some good times in the past and there is no family feud. Is anybody here different?

[Anti.Hero]

We are selfish for not wanting to give more money to taxes according to Lord-Not-so-Merciful yet he doesn't even throw a couple bones while making millions at his slum-living aunt who he cites in his book as needing help from family?

I'm trying to figure out what it takes for people to snap out of their trance for one second and question this compassionate American.

I know ChumpDumper is deeply concerned with this. What say you Sir Dumper of Chumps?

[ChumpDumper]

Tell us all exactly what you think Obama should be doing with his aunt and what it has to do with running the country.

What if she doesn't want any help?

[Anti.Hero]

What if she is living in the slums to help collect her inner-dark motivation needed to take on Ra’s al Ghul?

[ChumpDumper]

What if she is living in the slums to help collect her inner-dark motivation needed to take on Ra’s al Ghul?That's how I can tell you are deeply concerned about this.

[timvp]

This thread is flawed because it assumes that Obama actually believes what he preaches. Politicians on the national level are 99% of the time in it for the power, money and fame. If Obama thought that a platform that included lowering taxes on the rich and raising taxes on the poor would get him elected, I'd have no doubts that he'd go down that path. Same for McCain.

Let's be real.

[Tully365]

Obama, like Clinton and Reagan before him, is a smart politician who understands what it takes to get elected in a democratic society. Dukakis, Dole, Nader, and countless others simply didn't get it done because they were either telling the truth too plainly, stiff as a board, or insulting to a huge part of the population... as much as people complain about politicians, they also punish them for many of the characteristics that they don't care about or even find alluring in rock stars, authors, athletes, and many others. A presdential candidate nowadays can't even say something simple like I don't find NASCAR interesting without losing millions of votes. Managing a presidential campaign is a huge project, and like all huge projects, must be handled carefully. Unfortunately, handling carefully involves lots of public relations work, slickly avoiding certain questions and issues, and other not so forthcoming or noble necessities. That's life in a democracy, like it or not.

[TheMadHatter]

This thread is flawed because it assumes that Obama actually believes what he preaches. Politicians on the national level are 99% of the time in it for the power, money and fame. If Obama thought that a platform that included lowering taxes on the rich and raising taxes on the poor would get him elected, I'd have no doubts that he'd go down that path. Same for McCain.

Let's be real.

I disagree.

Obama fundamentally believes in the major policies he wishes to pursue. For example, he has spent his life trying to fight for the poor and disenfranchised and his tax proposals are a reflection of this.

Obama is the last Democratic candidate that I can remember since Dukakis who ran as an unabashed liberal.

[timvp]

I disagree.

Obama fundamentally believes in the major policies he wishes to pursue. For example, he has spent his life trying to fight for the poor and disenfranchised and his tax proposals are a reflection of this.

Obama is the last Democratic candidate that I can remember since Dukakis who ran as an unabashed liberal.That's because he's running as the Anti-Bush.

Again, if it helped his campaign to have a ton of conservative views, he'd be the first one to make the jump.

Don't be naive.

[ratm1221]

This thread is flawed because it assumes that Obama actually believes what he preaches. Politicians on the national level are 99% of the time in it for the power, money and fame. If Obama thought that a platform that included lowering taxes on the rich and raising taxes on the poor would get him elected, I'd have no doubts that he'd go down that path. Same for McCain.

Let's be real.

If he was in it for the money he would have continued to be lawyer. Are you being serious? The Pres only makes 400k.

[timvp]

If he was in it for the money he would have continued to be lawyer. Are you being serious? The Pres only makes 400k.

:lmao

[Anti.Hero]

Clinton is not even making 400k anymore now that he's retired He was even the first black president!

oh wait....

[spurster]

So who here has helped one of their aunts, uncles, or cousins to a substantial degree? Let's say at least $10,000.

For a niece or nephew, I imagine that happens often, raising a kid relative for various reasons. But for adult relatives? Let's hear how generous you were just to show how mean-spirited Obama is.

[TheMadHatter]

That's because he's running as the Anti-Bush.

Again, if it helped his campaign to have a ton of conservative views, he'd be the first one to make the jump.

Don't be naive.

Don't be so cynical to assume every candidate is only in this for the fame and prestige.

[Anti.Hero]

So who here has helped one of their aunts, uncles, or cousins to a substantial degree? Let's say at least $10,000.

For a niece or nephew, I imagine that happens often, raising a kid relative for various reasons. But for adult relatives? Let's hear how generous you were just to show how mean-spirited Obama is.

Do you, as common with many people in this predicament, revert back to comparing your Obama to the lack of actions from others to justify the flaws in your Obama's persona?

[ChumpDumper]

First you have to confirm that it is a flaw -- that his aunt has asked him for help and he has refused.

We're all waiting for you to do that.

[Findog]

Obama would certainly alter his rhetoric in a more conservative direction if that's what it took, and change some of his policy proposals at the margins, but I highly doubt he would turn around and run as W's best buddy if Bush had a 58% approval rating.

[Anti.Hero]

Adjusted Gross Income from Obama during 2004-2006 = $2,846,579

$10,000 is ~.4% of that.

Yes we can.

[ChumpDumper]

Adjusted Gross Income from Obama during 2004-2006 = $2,846,579

$10,000 is ~.4% of that.

Yes we can.


First you have to confirm that it is a flaw -- that his aunt has asked him for help and he has refused.

We're all waiting for you to do that.

[Anti.Hero]

I got you chump.

.4%.

[Anti.Hero]

Obama Derek Fisher'd his auntie!

[ChumpDumper]

I got you chump.No, you didn't.
First you have to confirm that it is a flaw -- that his aunt has asked him for help and he has refused.

We're all waiting for you to do that.

[spurster]

Do you, as common with many people in this predicament, revert back to comparing your Obama to the lack of actions from others to justify the flaws in your Obama's persona?

Should we hold Obama to a standard that we don't follow? If you want to hold candidates to high moral standards, shouldn't McCain's divorce disqualify him in your eyes? After this wasn't his aunt or his uncle, but his very own wife and a "'til death do us part" pledge.

[Anti.Hero]

So who here has helped one of their aunts, uncles, or cousins to a substantial degree? Let's say at least $10,000.

For a niece or nephew, I imagine that happens often, raising a kid relative for various reasons. But for adult relatives? Let's hear how generous you were just to show how mean-spirited Obama is.


Adjusted Gross Income from Obama during 2004-2006 = $2,846,579

$10,000 is ~.4% of that.

Yes we can.


I got you chump.

.4%.



Obama Derek Fisher'd his auntie!

This is Spur worthy imho.

[ChumpDumper]

Obama's aunt gave his campaign money, so she obviously doesn't want any from Obama.

And declaring something of yours to be spur-worthy guarantees that is, in fact, not.

[timvp]

So who here has helped one of their aunts, uncles, or cousins to a substantial degree? Let's say at least $10,000.*Raises hand*

I've sent money to family members I've never met. Helping out relatives who live in third world countries whose poor people live in conditions that make American ghettos look like Beverly Hills isn't being generous ... it's pretty much common sense.


Don't be so cynical to assume every candidate is only in this for the fame and prestige.Don't forget the money. And I said 99% ... not every.


Obama would certainly alter his rhetoric in a more conservative direction if that's what it took, and change some of his policy proposals at the margins, but I highly doubt he would turn around and run as W's best buddy if Bush had a 58% approval rating.Obama would do anything he thought he needed to do to get elected. Thinking otherwise is naivety to the highest degree.

[Anti.Hero]

Should we hold Obama to a standard that we don't follow? If you want to hold candidates to high moral standards, shouldn't McCain's divorce disqualify him in your eyes? After this wasn't his aunt or his uncle, but his very own wife and a "'til death do us part" pledge.

He wants to hold us to a standard that he does not follow.


I would love to hold Government to the same standard as most businesses.

I see Obama during this informercial tell an old man that he has earned his pension plan. The company PROMISED him his pension plan and this man should HOLD THEM TO THIS PROMISE.

My reaction, you (government) first.

[Anti.Hero]

Obama drifted to the right right after the primaries were over. :sleep

[Findog]

Obama would do anything he thought he needed to do to get elected. Thinking otherwise is naivety to the highest degree.

Unless you're willing to say he'd switch parties and run as a Republican under conservative orthodoxy, you're wrong. Politicians grant themselves a wide degree of flexibility in appealing to the electorate, but you wouldn't see Bush immediately bring the troops home if he were running this year for an eligible third term.

[spurster]

A story on some of Obama's family in Kenya.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/26/MNCV13INNO.DTL

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Wouldn't having multiple DUIs and running businesses into the ground be a cause for concern? All of a sudden we have conservatives wanting to vet every known relationship of a democrat meanwhile dick and dubya had decided to put people's lives in danger due to their decisions to drive drunk. yet not a peep out of conservatives then .. that's wierd.

For about the 100th time on this forum...

Quit trying to hold up W's incompetence as an excuse for the suckage that is Obama. Damn, I'm tired of it.

W is a failure. We get it. That shouldn't be a free pass for Obama being the hypocritical SOB that he is, no matter what you Dems want to believe.

Lame.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

First you have to confirm that it is a flaw -- that his aunt has asked him for help and he has refused.

We're all waiting for you to do that.

Come on Chump. He has no problem telling us all that he needs to take from the rich to give to the poor... He's rich, why won't he give to (poor) family to help her get out of a big city slum?

I guess he doesn't feel the need to practice what he preaches, just enforce it on everyone else...

LJ's owning this thread.

[ChumpDumper]

Come on Chump. He has no problem telling us all that he needs to take from the rich to give to the poor... He's rich, why won't he give to (poor) family to help her get out of a big city slum?Again, did she ask? Does she want anything from him? She gave him money, so it sure doesn't look like she wants money from him.


I guess he doesn't feel the need to practice what he preaches, just enforce it on everyone else...He is going to pay that extra 3%, just like anyone else making that much money.


LJ's owning this thread.Yeah, he really went out on a limb there.

[spurster]

timvp , I'm impressed. I doubt I would do the same thing for any but close relatives, but then I haven't been asked either. Glad to see an Obama voter owning this thread, and AH and AHF stepping up to show their moral superiority.

[Supergirl]

Does Obama's aunt living in a Boston slum raise any red-flags for you concerning Obama?

At first I figured, "just another distant relative on the deadbeat father's side...but he actually discusses her in his book. Citing how she has no government security to fall back on should she be laid off; all she has is family.

Not giving to charity while making 400k+ a year, having a half-brother living in a hut overseas (I brushed this off as just a distant half-relative), but now the aunt?

Seems like Obama is all talk to me.

What about any of this is a "red flag"? We know Obama's father was a deadbeat dad who took off on his family when Obama was 2, and had 7 other kids with 3 other women. None of this affects Obama's insight, leadership, and character, which is why I'm voting for him in a few days.

[ChumpDumper]

Does Obama's aunt living in a Boston slum raise any red-flags for you concerning Obama?No. Only an idiot would think it would.

[Anti.Hero]

Got you chump.

Put you on display. :hat

[ChumpDumper]

Only an idiot would think that. No red flags. :fro

[ChumpDumper]

First you have to confirm that it is a flaw -- that his aunt has asked him for help and he has refused.

We're all waiting for you to do that.Still waiting. You're on display.