US Gun Violence by the Numbers

[boutons_]

5 Average number of child deaths in gun-related accidents or suicide EVERY DAY

9 Number of kids under 19 years old killed by guns EVERYDAY

32 Number of states in the US that allow ANYONE to purchase firearms without an ID or criminal background check

40 Percent of gun sales in the US occur without an ID or background check requirement

40 Percent of American households that contain both children and guns

83 Average number of Americans killed by guns EVERYDAY

1,260Average number of annual firearmhomicides in the European Union (pop 376 million)

10,821Average number of annual firearm homicides in the US (pop 282 million)

34,000 Average number of Americans killed by guns EVERY YEAR

$33,000 Average medical cost (80% uninsured) of a gun related death

$300,000 Average cost (80% uninsured) of a gun related injury

70,000 Average number of gun-related injuries EVERY YEAR

655,000 NumberUS service men and women killed in all Foreign Wars combined

1,035,000 Number of gun deaths in the US over the past 30 years

$4 million NRA contributions to George W. Bush's 2004 campaign

$18 million NRA contributions to Congressional candidates in the last four election cycles

$40 million NRA promised contributions to John McCain's 2008 Presidential campaign

$34 billionAnnual US medical and productivity costs of gun injuries and deaths

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-rosenthal/us-gun-violence-by-the-nu_b_139879.html?view=print

[PEP]

What's your point shithead?

[romad_20]

What is the point?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What's his point?

Fuck the second amendment, he had to copy and paste a chickenshit liberal talking point.

[boutons_]

"Fuck the second amendment"

that's a strange position for a dickless Aggie, but it's not HUSSEIN's nor my position.

[BRHornet45]

son whats the point you stupid son of a bitch!?????

[AntiChrist]

I'll work hard to disarm the American people. Then, I'll create a national police force. All the while, I'll make the American people more and more reliant upon my government programs.

It's all leading to my REAL plan for America.

[cool hand]

this is my wife's


http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/kel_tec/kel_p32_parkerized.jpg

[whottt]

Did you guys know Chicago is the murder capital of America?

Change you can believe in :tu


Obama's done so much in his career.

[baseline bum]

Blaming guns is too easy a cop-out for our crime problems in America. I think it has more to do with our national motto of 'Fuck you, I'm doing what the hell I want'.

[dg7md]

Harsh comments by conservatives in here. I thought life was something held sacred to you? Lots of children are dying by gun accidents.

[Shastafarian]

Did you guys know Chicago is the murder capital of America?

Change you can believe in :tu


Obama's done so much in his career.

Uh...where you getting your numbers? I could've sworn that distinct honor belonged to Detroit.

[BacktoBasics]

As open minded as I am I'm not an advocate for guns despite our constitutional rights.

I would however be open to stricter guidelines for gun ownership. There should be way more required including courses on gun safety and storage before being able to make a purchase.

You know I wouldn't feel like we have to eliminate guns if this country would tighten up on how to obtain and own a gun. I think its more of an issue of entitlement than being a responsible carrier. It needs to change.

[Hook Dem]

As open minded as I am I'm not an advocate for guns despite our constitutional rights.

I would however be open to stricter guidelines for gun ownership. There should be way more required including courses on gun safety and storage before being able to make a purchase.

You know I wouldn't feel like we have to eliminate guns if this country would tighten up on how to obtain and own a gun. I think its more of an issue of entitlement than being a responsible carrier. It needs to change.

Do you know how many illegal firearms are out there? If you think muggers and thiefs are gonna take a gun safety course, then I have a bridge I'll sell you for cheap!

[boutons_]

If you think gun shows and gun dealers are gonna stop selling to anybody, ...

The NRA is all about the gun business, masqerading behind 2nd amendment smokescreen.

[whottt]

Uh...where you getting your numbers? I could've sworn that distinct honor belonged to Detroit.


Google it bitch...

Next time, instead of typing "DailyKos", type "Chicago murder rate"...

[Shastafarian]

Google it bitch...

Next time, instead of typing "DailyKos", type "Chicago murder rate"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/02/nola.homicide.ap/

I'm guessing you read this and didn't bother to actually "research" it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/24/chicago-murder-rate-tops_n_137488.html

[whottt]

Adn I'm guessing you didn't read everything you googled...just what you wanted to.

[Shastafarian]

Adn I'm guessing you didn't read everything you googled...just what you wanted to.

What didn't I read?

[whottt]

This sounds more like something you need to take up with your first grade teacher...

I can find articles on the HuffingtonPost itself saying Chicago is the murder capital..the 2008 murder capital...

Meanwhile...

Care to show that "distinct honor" belonging to Detroit?


You know...as you "swore"?

[shelshor]

Uh...where you getting your numbers? I could've sworn that distinct honor belonged to Detroit.

Not since Chiicago enacted stricter gun control laws

[Shastafarian]

This sounds more like something you need to take up with your first grade teacher...

I can find articles on the HuffingtonPost itself saying Chicago is the murder capital..the 2008 murder capital...

Meanwhile...

Care to show that "distinct honor" belonging to Detroit?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Thought so.

If you bother to go to the wiki link you'll see Detroit was #1 in 2007. I find it odd that anyone would claim any city is the murder capital of 2008 WHEN 2008 HASN'T ENDED YET.

[Shastafarian]

I can find articles on the HuffingtonPost itself saying Chicago is the murder capital..the 2008 murder capital...


Then do it bitch

[SnakeBoy]

US Gun Violence by the Numbers

Damn those violent guns for making all the peaceful guns look bad.

[whottt]

Then do it bitch

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/25/chicago-once-again-the-us_n_137804.html

The actual Huffington Post headline:

Chicago Once Again The US "Murder Capital"
stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust mixx.com CBS 2 Chicago | October 25, 2008 12:29 PM


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[whottt]

I find it odd that anyone would claim any city is the murder capital of 2008 WHEN 2008 HASN'T ENDED YET.


Take it up with the Huffington Post...


I find it odd that anyone reads stuff from a site owned by a commie bitch who doesn't pay taxes that post articles that aren't even worthy of wiping your ass with...yet people do.

[Shastafarian]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/25/chicago-once-again-the-us_n_137804.html

The actual Huffington Post headline:

Chicago Once Again The US "Murder Capital"
stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust mixx.com CBS 2 Chicago | October 25, 2008 12:29 PM


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I find that article interesting. They ONLY say Chicago has more murders than New York City and Los Angeles. But then they claim it's the murder capital by citing the projection of how many murders might occur. I think I'll wait to see the final numbers for all cities before declaring it the murder capital (which it hasn't been since 1998).

[whottt]

I find that article interesting. They ONLY say Chicago has more murders than New York City and Los Angeles. But then they claim it's the murder capital by citing the projection of how many murders might occur. I think I'll wait to see the final numbers for all cities before declaring it the murder capital (which it hasn't been since 1998).



Tell it to the Huffington Post......

[whottt]

And tell that bitch to pay her fucking taxes while you're at it.

[Shastafarian]

Take it up with the Huffington Post...


I find it odd that anyone reads stuff from a site owned by a commie bitch who doesn't pay taxes that post articles that aren't even worthy of wiping your ass with...yet people do.

It's based off a CBS2 Chicago article which doesn't explain how they came to the conclusion Chicago is the murder capital.

[whottt]

Wasn't the headline of the CBS2 Chicago article...it was the headline of the Huffington Post article...

As for how they got that conclusion...it's a rather complex formula of Chicago having the most murders so far.

[Shastafarian]

Wasn't the headline of the CBS2 Chicago article...it was the headline of the Huffington Post article...

As for how they got that conclusion...it's a rather complex formula of Chicago having the most murders so far.

How do you know they have the most murders so far? Do you have the raw data? All they say is that Chicago has more than NY and LA.

[whottt]

How do you know they have the most murders so far? Do you have the raw data? All they say is that Chicago has more than NY and LA.

Google is your friend...and I mean that in literal terms...they are 100% behind Obama...so google it and consider the results from a friendly source.


Me finding the Huffington post saying it is like you finding a link of Sean Hannity supporting Obama...

You lose this one...no matter what.

[boutons_]

Whott always attacks the messenger (HP), ignoring the facts of the article.

Whott won't find such gun facts on Fox News, Limbaugh, Boortz, Savage, etc.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Harsh comments by conservatives in here. I thought life was something held sacred to you? Lots of children are dying by gun accidents.

Banning guns won't stop those from happening. If you own a firearm you shouldn't have it in a place a child can get to it.

Life is something incredibly sacred in my eyes, but you know what? If someone breaks into my home and threatens my family, well, that's their choice and I'm going to defend the life of me and my family.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

As open minded as I am I'm not an advocate for guns despite our constitutional rights.

I would however be open to stricter guidelines for gun ownership. There should be way more required including courses on gun safety and storage before being able to make a purchase.

You know I wouldn't feel like we have to eliminate guns if this country would tighten up on how to obtain and own a gun. I think its more of an issue of entitlement than being a responsible carrier. It needs to change.

Do you even know about the process of obtaining and owning a gun? I mean, outside of the ones sold on the streets that no amount of legislation is going to govern.

I'll give you how it is here in Texas and most other states.... you go to a store or a gun show to buy a firearm. When you decide what you want, a federal FBI background check is called in by the seller. They call in all your personal information, and a check is run to make sure you don't have a criminal record prior to you being able to purchase a firearm.

You have to be over the age of 21 to buy a firearm or ammunition in the state of Texas.

So tell me, given the above, what other restrictions or regulations do you feel should be enacted?

I hate it when anti-gun folks are ignorant about the laws in place.

[Shastafarian]

Google is your friend...and I mean that in literal terms...they are 100% behind Obama...so google it and consider the results from a friendly source.


Me finding the Huffington post saying it is like you finding a link of Sean Hannity supporting Obama...

You lose this one...no matter what.

Google is the friend of the person claiming Chicago is the murder capital. Google should be used by that person to provide any evidence such a statement is true.

I don't care what HuffPo posts. They're wrong. I don't lose.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Oh, and back to boutons original copy and paste job...


32 Number of states in the US that allow ANYONE to purchase firearms without an ID or criminal background check

Ehhhh, wrong. Because of the Brady Bill all states and firearm sellers now perform an NICS background check prior to releasing a firearm for purchase.

The only 'hole' in the system is that things like mental health history (for people like the kid who shot up VT) are not released to the NICS system because of liberal lawyers who have fought to keep the individual medical records under lock and key (when in a limited use such as the NICS system this would be great information to have).

Look, I know boutons is a fucking idiot on about everything, but banning guns or further restricting their sale isn't going to stop gun violence from happening.

The Bureau of ATF estimates there's over 300 million firearms in this country, that's nearly one for every person in this country.

Firearm safety and things like parents being responsible about securing their weapons in the house and/or teaching their kids about the dangers of firearm is what you need, not bans and restrictions.

Switzerland requires every person living in its country to have a rifle in their home as a sort of national defense initiative should they ever be invaded. They have one of the lowest gun violence rates in the world. Why? Because they educate their children and their masses.

Villifying guns and the number of deaths caused by them is such a pussy argument from the left. If someone decides they're going to kill someone, they're going to do it. If you ban guns, they'd use whatever else is handy (knife, baseball bat, etc.) if they didn't already have a firearm.

Of course, I guess you limp wristed libs would probably go after knives next, like the U.K. has. :rolleyes

But the bottom line is the second amendment protects an American's right to own a firearm, and that amendment was originally written to protect the people from the tyranny of the government.

All the same, if someone breaks into your home, the cops ain't getting there in enough time to save your ass.

[Cry Havoc]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/whisperingstorm/Casullmezz.jpg
Point four-five-four Taurus Raging Bull Casull. Five round chamber, (up to) 40% more powerful than a .45.

My father is a former gun dealer.

I have personally shot over 40 different types of guns, and probably around 150 different weapons.

I held my first gun when I was four.

Shot my first gun when I was seven.

I was NEVER restricted from holding, touching, or knowing about any of the weapons in our family house, as long as my dad was around. He would inform me of the velocity and stopping power, as well as the recoil, of any round out of any gun I thought about shooting.

He would let me shoot whenever I felt like it, as long as I followed precautions.

And guess what? We have NEVER had an accident with a gun in our house. No one in our entire has been shot or hurt with a gun, because we were EDUCATED about gun ownership and responsibility. There was never a mystery around what a gun is to me. Take the guesswork out of it, act like a responsible person who knows what you're holding in your hands, and you won't have accidents.

That said, I don't shoot often. They just don't interest me as much anymore. However, I feel confident that I would know exactly what to do in a life or death situation.

[DarrinS]

I give you..... Charlton Heston's gun room




http://www.micksguns.com/images/gunroom%202.jpg

[smeagol]

Guns . . .

:vomit:

[DarkReign]

Guns . . .

:vomit:

Pussy.

[DarkReign]

Oh, and back to boutons original copy and paste job...



Ehhhh, wrong. Because of the Brady Bill all states and firearm sellers now perform an NICS background check prior to releasing a firearm for purchase.

The only 'hole' in the system is that things like mental health history (for people like the kid who shot up VT) are not released to the NICS system because of liberal lawyers who have fought to keep the individual medical records under lock and key (when in a limited use such as the NICS system this would be great information to have).

Look, I know boutons is a fucking idiot on about everything, but banning guns or further restricting their sale isn't going to stop gun violence from happening.

The Bureau of ATF estimates there's over 300 million firearms in this country, that's nearly one for every person in this country.

Firearm safety and things like parents being responsible about securing their weapons in the house and/or teaching their kids about the dangers of firearm is what you need, not bans and restrictions.

Sweden requires every person living in its country to have a rifle in their home as a sort of national defense initiative should they ever be invaded. They have one of the lowest gun violence rates in the world. Why? Because they educate their children and their masses.

Villifying guns and the number of deaths caused by them is such a pussy argument from the left. If someone decides they're going to kill someone, they're going to do it. If you ban guns, they'd use whatever else is handy (knife, baseball bat, etc.) if they didn't already have a firearm.

Of course, I guess you limp wristed libs would probably go after knives next, like the U.K. has. :rolleyes

But the bottom line is the second amendment protects an American's right to own a firearm, and that amendment was originally written to protect the people from the tyranny of the government.

All the same, if someone breaks into your home, the cops ain't getting there in enough time to save your ass.

Great post, but isnt Sweden socialist? I was told it should not be used as a great example of....well, anything.

Color me confused.

[Anti.Hero]

Cry all you want Great Boutons. Americans will have Guns forever.

[DarkReign]

Cry all you want Great Boutons. Americans will have Guns forever.

Hopefully, that is.

[implacable44]

Why does everyone focus on gun crimes and compare gun deaths to places like England ? Wouldn't it be more accurate to focus on violent deaths ? I mean I am no google expert ( mostly because it is run by that liberal left clown) but using a diferent search engine - I found this link :

http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=291

from 2002 showing the highest rate in Colombia -- with the #1 region being South America -- followed by Africa.

[LnGrrrR]

Kids get killed in gun accidents. And car accidents. And pretty much every other type of accident.

The right to bear arms is protected by the 2nd Amendment, and is an important protection against tyranny. Really, that should be the end-of-story.

[PixelPusher]

I give you..... Charlton Heston's gun room




http://www.micksguns.com/images/gunroom%202.jpg

Aw, shucks...I studied every gun in that pic, but I couldn't spot any Ape rifles.

http://www.moviepropking.com/apesdisplay1.jpg

[romad_20]

Kids get killed in gun accidents. And car accidents. And pretty much every other type of accident.

The right to bear arms is protected by the 2nd Amendment, and is an important protection against tyranny. Really, that should be the end-of-story.

True. That is the point, I don't trust the government at all and if the shit ever hits the fan you better believe the only person I'm relying on is myself for protection.

[Anti.Hero]

That makes sense, however the biggest threat the government had back then were cannon balls. :lol

[Spurminator]

Is there any information on what percentage of gun-related deaths occur as a result of guns purchased at gun shows? My guess would be that it's a pretty low percentage but I don't know.

[LnGrrrR]

That makes sense, however the biggest threat the government had back then were cannon balls. :lol

Hey, I'm all for Americans owning tanks. :) I'm ok with proper registration in some cases, of course, but if someone with enough money wanted an F-22, he'd either find a way to acquire it or build a good enough facsimile.

[Duff McCartney]

A scope on a revolver? That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

What's next? A scope on a starter pistol?

I don't own nor will I ever own a gun. If someone wants to buy a gun then go ahead. Be my guest. I have better things to waste/spend my money on...like books.

[Trainwreck2100]

revolvers can shoot kinda far.

[smeagol]

Pussy.

Not really.

I simply find the infatuation with guns hard to understand.

And that crap about how guns are my only defense against government . . . well, it's just that. Crap.

[velik_m]

Sweden requires every person living in its country to have a rifle in their home as a sort of national defense initiative should they ever be invaded. They have one of the lowest gun violence rates in the world. Why? Because they educate their children and their masses.

Care to back that up?

They have one of the lowes gun violence rates because they educate gun owners, not children and their masses.

[LnGrrrR]

Not really.

I simply find the infatuation with guns hard to understand.

And that crap about how guns are my only defense against government . . . well, it's just that. Crap.

To be fair, sure, rifles probably wont' help if for some reason all the military gets brainwashed and we go into martial law. But it will sure help more than a butter knife would.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Great post, but isnt Sweden socialist? I was told it should not be used as a great example of....well, anything.

Color me confused.

Sorry, I was a little hungover at that point from Halloween. I meant Switzerland.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Care to back that up?

They have one of the lowes gun violence rates because they educate gun owners, not children and their masses.

First, I meant Switzerland, not Sweden.

Second, every male goes through compulsory military training and as part of that learns how to shoot and maintain firearms.

So, uh, I'd call that educating the masses, wouldn't you?

Oh, and they are also issued those evil automatic weapons that liberals hate. The horror!

[Cry Havoc]

A scope on a revolver? That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

What's next? A scope on a starter pistol?

I don't own nor will I ever own a gun. If someone wants to buy a gun then go ahead. Be my guest. I have better things to waste/spend my money on...like books.

If you admittedly know nothing about guns, why would you make such an uneducated comment? The muzzle velocity of a .454 round can approach 2000 ft per second. This gives the .454 an effective range of ~100 yards, and skilled shooters can extend it well beyond that if conditions are right. Do you want to try hitting a small target from a football field away with a bore sight? Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If you admittedly know nothing about guns, why would you make such an uneducated comment? The muzzle velocity of a .454 round can approach 2000 ft per second. This gives the .454 an effective range of ~100 yards, and skilled shooters can extend it well beyond that if conditions are right. Do you want to try hitting a small target from a football field away with a bore sight? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Hunting a small target? Come on, everyone knows the only legitimate use for firearms is for children to shoot each other and race warfare [/Obama, Dems]

[romad_20]

Hunting a small target? Come on, everyone knows the only legitimate use for firearms is for children to shoot each other and race warfare [/Obama, Dems]

:lmao

[velik_m]

First, I meant Switzerland, not Sweden.

Second, every male goes through compulsory military training and as part of that learns how to shoot and maintain firearms.

So, uh, I'd call that educating the masses, wouldn't you?

Oh, and they are also issued those evil automatic weapons that liberals hate. The horror!

My apologies, it occurred to me later that you are probably thinking of Switzerland and not Sweden, as that didn't make any sense. My assertion still stands though - they are educating gun owners, not general public. They just make gun owners en mass :P