Obama outspends McCain...

[Yonivore]

...something like 7 to 1, spends thirty minutes schmoozing on 3 networks, and it comes to this?

McCain by 1 in daily Zogby poll (http://www.zogby.com/main.htm)?

Hell, Kerry and Gore both had bigger leads, in the polls, at this point.

Gotta suck to be a socialist right now, eh?

He's put a muzzle on Biden and is kicking news organizations, who criticize him, off the campaign plane. Ayers, Dohrn, Wright, Pfleger, and Khalidi are still in the news and gaining traction. Joe the Plumber is biting him in the ass over his socialist response -- and the retaliation by his minions -- to a simple question. He's snapping at reporters. His aunt is an illegal alien, living in a slum in South Chicago -- and illegally registering to vote. His brother is living in abject poverty in Kenya. He's one to talk about selfishness, eh? And, to top it off, some boob name berg is being a gnat over his very eligibility to be president.

:lmao

This has truly been an entertaining election.

Who thinks Obama's chances get better or worse before Tuesday?

[Shastafarian]

Obama 49.1%, McCain 44.1%

[Yonivore]

Obama 49.1%, McCain 44.1%
That's the running average...the one day, today, was McCain 48%, Obama 47%. Ask Manny; if he's intellectually honest, he'll agree it's a bad sign.

The direction does not favor Obama and I think he's already played his best hand and is bunkering down. Neither he or Biden have given a press conference lately and are becoming increasingly inaccessible. McCain and Palin, on the other hand, are out there and still gaining support.

But, my point was that Obama has broken a campaign pledge by dumping the public financing of his campaign, raised (in questionable manner) many millions more than McCain, and it's this close?

[boutons_]

Don't getchyer hopes up. Zogby is an outlier, and has guaranteed a McNasty win.

[Shastafarian]

That's the running average...the one day, today, was McCain 48%, Obama 47%. Ask Manny; if he's intellectually honest, he'll agree it's a bad sign.

The direction does not favor Obama and I think he's already played his best hand and is bunkering down. Neither he or Biden have given a press conference lately and are becoming increasingly inaccessible. McCain and Palin, on the other hand, are out there and still gaining support.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2861055&postcount=1977

[Yonivore]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2861055&postcount=1977
I think it's hilarious.

[Shastafarian]

I think it's hilarious.

You think it's hilarious Obama is within the margin of error in Indiana and ARIZONA? Because I do.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

The only time yoniwhore posts is to tout some lame zogby poll. Your boy McLame is going to get punked on Tuesday and you'll disapear again. And you are just pissed because McSame couldn't raise jack from his base supporters.

[Yonivore]

You think it's hilarious Obama is within the margin of error in Indiana and ARIZONA? Because I do.
Yep, nearly a billion dollars and we're talking "margin of error?"

[Shastafarian]

Yep, nearly a billion dollars and we're talking "margin of error?"

LOL

In Indiana which hasn't voted Democrat since 1964 and Arizona which is the home state of the fucking Republican nominee!!!!

Yes, I find that hilarious.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Yep, nearly a billion dollars and we're talking "margin of error?"

McBlame is losing and you just can't handle the truth. You've had your fun Bushboy so learn to live with it.

[whottt]

Obama 49.1%, McCain 44.1%


Find one Presidential Election in the past 40 years where the Democrat had that small of a lead and won :tu



I think 11 points is the smallest lead by a Democrat who won the Presidential Election..and I believe that was Clinton in 92, and he only ended up winning by 5 points or so.

I believe it's pretty much a rule that Democrats poll on average about 5 points higher than they actually show up to vote.


Pretty sure I read somewhere that Obama polls about 7 points higher on average than his actual results(based on the primaries). So he polls high even by Democrat standards.


I am not claiming any of this is hard fact simply because I don't feel like looking it up...but Democrats do have a history of polling high, and so does Obama, that is a fact.


Kerry is the only one in recent memory who didn't poll extremely high, and that's because he was running against a charismaless President who got us into a couple of wars and didn't even win the popular vote in 2000...

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Fact is johnny boy is going down and it won't be on sarah.

[Shastafarian]

I am not claiming any of this is hard fact simply because I don't feel like looking it up...but Democrats do have a history of polling high, and so does Obama, that is a fact.

Aneurysm

[Yonivore]

LOL

In Indiana which hasn't voted Democrat since 1964 and Arizona which is the home state of the fucking Republican nominee!!!!

Yes, I find that hilarious.
Well, whatever helps you sleep at night. Whottt makes a valid point as well.

[whottt]

The PCT's weren't facts..

That Democrats have a history of polling high is an undisputed fact.

[Shastafarian]

Well, whatever helps you sleep at night. Whottt makes a valid point as well.

You know what helps me sleep at night? Obama's double digit lead in a state that McCain absolutely HAS to win. Pennsylvania is going to be death knell for Senator McCain's presidential hopes.

[Cry Havoc]

...something like 7 to 1, spends thirty minutes schmoozing on 3 networks, and it comes to this?

McCain by 1 in daily Zogby poll (http://www.zogby.com/main.htm)?

Hell, Kerry and Gore both had bigger leads, in the polls, at this point.

Gotta suck to be a socialist right now, eh?

He's put a muzzle on Biden and is kicking news organizations, who criticize him, off the campaign plane. Ayers, Dohrn, Wright, Pfleger, and Khalidi are still in the news and gaining traction. Joe the Plumber is biting him in the ass over his socialist response -- and the retaliation by his minions -- to a simple question. He's snapping at reporters. His aunt is an illegal alien, living in a slum in South Chicago -- and illegally registering to vote. His brother is living in abject poverty in Kenya. He's one to talk about selfishness, eh? And, to top it off, some boob name berg is being a gnat over his very eligibility to be president.

:lmao

This has truly been an entertaining election.

Who thinks Obama's chances get better or worse before Tuesday?

I can't wait for the election results on Tuesday, just so everyone can see what a fucking delusional idiot you are. Your posts are completely void of anything worth reading. It does make the political forum a bit more interesting to see this kind of moronic statements that have no basis or logic in reality though. I never resort to personal attacks, but you are completely foolish.

Living in denial is not a good thing. Get some help.

[Yonivore]

I can't wait for the election results on Tuesday, just so everyone can see what a fucking delusional idiot you are. Your posts are completely void of anything worth reading. It does make the political forum a bit more interesting to see this kind of moronic statements that have no basis or logic in reality though. I never resort to personal attacks, but you are completely foolish.

Living in denial is not a good thing. Get some help.
Where in my post did I say McCain wins?

Boy, the reactionary rhetoric is right there on the tip of your tongue, ain't it?

It's not delusional to say Obama has outspent McCain 7 to 1 with little to show for it and, in fact, is losing ground right now. That's just a fact.

[Yonivore]

You know what helps me sleep at night? Obama's double digit lead in a state that McCain absolutely HAS to win. Pennsylvania is going to be death knell for Senator McCain's presidential hopes.
Not if Jack Murtha has anything to say about it.

[Shastafarian]

It's not delusional to say Obama has outspent McCain 7 to 1 with little to show for it and, in fact, is losing ground right now. That's just a fact.

I'd sure like to be able to use that definition of fact in my every day life.

My penis is 12 inches long when it's flaccid. That's just a fact.

[Shastafarian]

Not if Jack Murtha has anything to say about it.

I guess that's all you have so I guess I won't trample all over it.

[whottt]

You know what helps me sleep at night? Obama's double digit lead in a state that McCain absolutely HAS to win. Pennsylvania is going to be death knell for Senator McCain's presidential hopes.


Is this the same state that Rasmussen now has by only a 4 point lead in favor of Obama? Incidentally...a state where Obama polled high in the primaries?

A state with coincidentally...a shitload of Clinton Democrats?

[Shastafarian]

Is this the same state that Rasmussen now has by only a 4 point lead in favor of Obama? Incidentally...a state where Obama polled high in the primaries?

Rasmussen, the Republican leaning pollster who himself said Obama was going to win? You guys keep cherry picking polls so why can't I? Look at the CNN poll that has him up 12 points.

[whottt]

Penn's going Red in this election...bank on it.

[Shastafarian]

Penn's going Red in this election...bank on it.

Considering you've said McCain is going to win and NY will be close, I don't find this surprising at all.

[whottt]

Rasmussen, the Republican leaning pollster who himself said Obama was going to win? You guys keep cherry picking polls so why can't I? Look at the CNN poll that has him up 12 points.


I mean Rasmussen, the Independent Conservative Pollster, who incidentally was the most accurate pollster in 2004, and also incidentally, heavily weights his polls by party ID...heavily in favor of the Democrats. He also polled Obama high in the Pennsylvania Primaries...by about 5 points.

[Yonivore]

Rasmussen, the Republican leaning pollster who himself said Obama was going to win? You guys keep cherry picking polls so why can't I? Look at the CNN poll that has him up 12 points.
Rasmussen vs. CNN? :lmao

What about the Mason/Dixon poll on Pa.? They only show Obama up by 4.

[whottt]

John McCain's actually won something in Pennsylvania...Obama hasn't. He also hasn't won anything in New York, New Jersey, California, Minnesota or Wisconsin...while McCain has.

[Shastafarian]

I mean Rasmussen, the Independent Conservative Pollster, who incidentally was the most accurate pollster in 2004, and also incidentally, heavily weights his polls by party ID...heavily in favor of the Democrats. He also polled Obama high in the Pennsylvania Primaries...by about 5 points.

Prove it.

[whottt]

I know you guys think one Democrat is just as good as another...but it's simply not the case...the fact that Obama didn't win any of these big states is going to result in less turnout than if the Democrat had won them...as Kerry did in 04.

[whottt]

Prove it.


Google it...type the words most accurate pollster in the 2004 Presidential Election.


It was Survey USA and Rasmussen...


Survey USA was the one that was consistently the closest to the actual margin of victory...but the were wrong on the winner of at least one state.

Rasmussen was the one that perfectly called every single battle ground state, the only one.


They'll both be wrong in this election...


Survery USA because they can be hired by anyone...


Rasmussen because while that weighting typically is a safe bet...it's not in this election due to all the interest in the Democratic Primaries and the mid term elections from a couple of years ago.


Sin,

A registered Democrat.

[Yonivore]

I know you guys think one Democrat is just as good as another...but it's simply not the case...the fact that Obama didn't win any of these big states is going to result in less turnout than if the Democrat had won them...as Kerry did in 04.
Of course, Kerry didn't have Murtha calling his own (and Obama's) constituents racists. Nor did Kerry call them a bunch of religious gun-clingers.

I read, somewhere (and Whott or Manny can probably source this) that the reason polls are all over the place this year is because somewhere in the neighborhood of 80-85% of people called are not responding...leaving 15-20% constructing the polls. Some speculate the 80-85% are mainly conservatives and people Obama has pissed off...who, by the way, will be voting.

[boutons_]

Why is McLoser campaigning in mostly red states if he expects to win? Do they need defending?

Why isn't HUSSEIN campaigning in blue states? Maybe they don't need defending?

I'd trust what each campaign is actually doing these last fews days (assumption: they know best, have the most at stake), rather than what pollsters or either campaign staff say for public consumption.

"Much of the last-minute spending by Mr. McCain was in states that just two months ago Republicans believed to be safely in their column. They include Indiana, North Carolina and Virginia."

"Mr. McCain’s and Ms. Palin’s weekend stops have been mainly in states that President Bush won four years ago: Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico and Ohio."

"The latest New York Times electoral map puts five states in the toss-up category, based on polls, interviews with local analysts and campaign officials: Florida, Indiana, Missouri, North Carolina and Ohio. Mr. Bush won all those states in 2004. According to the Times count, another five states that went with Mr. Bush in 2004 — Colorado, Iowa, Nevada, New Mexico and Virginia — were leaning toward Mr. Obama going into the weekend."

"Mr. McCain’s aides had, at the start of the month, listed as takeover targets four states that Mr. Kerry won in 2004: Minnesota, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. All four were leaning Democratic going into the last weekend, according to the Times tally. Based on where he is campaigning and spending his money, Mr. McCain has all but given up on Minnesota and Wisconsin."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/us/politics/02states.html?hp

[Shastafarian]

Google it.


No

[Yonivore]

No

Then stay stupid.

[Findog]

That Rasmussen poll has fishy internals:

10/30 (10/27)
Obama: 51 (53)
McCain: 47 (46)

Whites:
Obama: 46 (46)
McCain: 52 (53)

Blacks:
Obama: 80 (93)
McCain: 20 (5)

Pennsylvania has been more BLUE/Dem than the popular national vote every election since 1948.

Think about that for a second. John McCain aint winnin Pennsylvania. By doubling down on Pennsylvania and directing most of his resources there, he can cut into Obama's lead by making inroads with independents and undecideds, but he needs Obama supporters to change their minds, and that will not happen.

[Shastafarian]

Then stay stupid.

:lmao

Most Accurate Pollster of Election 2004
Final Certified Results Reveal TIPP as the Most Accurate Pollster of Election 2004

An analysis of the presidential election's final certified results shows that TIPP's daily tracking polls proved to be the most accurate in terms of predicting the winner and his margin of victory.

Among the four national daily tracking polls, TIPP came closest to projecting Bush's actual margin of victory (2.1% projected vs. 2.5% actual).

TIPP also outperformed a field of 11 other national, non-tracking pre-election polls, coming within just four-tenths of a percentage point to predicting Bush’s actual margin of victory (2.1% projected vs. 2.5% actual).

TIPP predicted the winner of the election in several pre-election venues, including CNBC’s Kudlow and Cramer and in the pages of Investor’s Business Daily.

"We developed strong tracking metrics and voter models that allowed us to accurately predict the election's outcome,” said Raghavan Mayur, president of TIPP. "These metrics enabled us to minimize error and capture trends as they developed. We had our finger on the pulse of America throughout all of its palpitations."


I'm sorry what were you saying fuckstick?

[Yonivore]

I'm sorry what were you saying fuckstick?
Made'ja google. :lmao

[JoeChalupa]

I know you guys think one Democrat is just as good as another...but it's simply not the case...the fact that Obama didn't win any of these big states is going to result in less turnout than if the Democrat had won them...as Kerry did in 04.

But I do know one republican is just as bad ass as another one.

[hitmanyr2k]

The Republican dullards in this thread are just pathetic. It's a sad (but amusing) sight to see how far they've fallen mentally as this election has gone on...spiraling out of control much like McCain's campaign. Look at the mental midget status they've been reduced to...making a thread about a single poll like it matters :lol

[Shastafarian]

Another cherry picked poll that you guys won't like

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/npjelacg3kotj222dcubgw.gif

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/rq8wqg3agky_6egme-raow.gif

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/n1lyfkxztkg7ktsa1xq5vg.gif

[Shastafarian]

Made'ja google. :lmao

Well I didn't wanna be called stupid for not using an internet search engine...

[Yonivore]

Well I didn't wanna be called stupid for not using an internet search engine...
Of course not; just for saying no like an iimpetuous child.

[Findog]

Obama isn't planning any more stops in Pennsylvania but he is spending money on ad buys in North Dakota, Montana and ARIZONA. That should tell you something.

[Shastafarian]

Of course not; just for saying no like an iimpetuous child.

Well when whottt claims something and then refuses to provide any evidence of his claims, I tend to not want to go searching for the truth of the matter. He does it so often that I get tired...

[Bartleby]

The Republican dullards in this thread are just pathetic. It's a sad (but amusing) sight to see how far they've fallen mentally as this election has gone on...spiraling out of control much like McCain's campaign. Look at the mental midget status they've been reduced to...making a thread about a single poll like it matters :lol

It's going to be fun bumping their delusional, rambling posts on Wednesday.

[JoeChalupa]

Obama vs. McCain National RCP Averages
Candidate Average
Obama 50.2

McCain 43.8

Spread: Obama +6.4

[Findog]

Disregard Rasmussen PA. If you do the math, cutting AA support by 15% when they are 20% of PA voters, that shaves 3 points off Obama's lead. The poll hasn't moved but Rasmussen needed to promote the GOP narrative.

[Yonivore]

After Tuesday, one way or the other, some pollsters and pundits will have some explaining to do.

It may be those who conducted surveys showing the presidential race tightening to a virtual dead heat (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/103008_poll.pdf) in recent days.

Or it may be those in the larger group whose polls (http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Oct08e-all.pdf) have shown Barack Obama comfortably ahead of John McCain, and whose focus has been on not whether the Democrat will win but by how much.

Charlie Cook, long one of Washington's most venerated political wonks, belongs firmly in the latter category. In his latest column for the National Journal (http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/cookreport.php), he opines that McCain "probably can't win without divine intervention." In a tease to his subscription-only newsletter, he writes, "Since early September this race has shifted rather dramatically in Obama's favor. ... At this stage, the most relevant question would seem to be: 'How big will the train wreck be for the Republican Party up and down the ballot in November.' "

But let's give Cook this -- if need be, he's prepared to eat crow, big time.

During a Friday evening appearance on MSNBC, he had this to say about how he would come to grips with a McCain come-from-behind victory: "I'm going to be asking, 'Paper or plastic.' Or, 'Do you want fries with that.' "

Others might similarly need to contemplate a career change.

[Shastafarian]

After Tuesday, one way or the other, some pollsters and pundits will have some explaining to do.

It may be those who conducted surveys showing the presidential race tightening to a virtual dead heat (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/103008_poll.pdf) in recent days.

Or it may be those in the larger group whose polls (http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Oct08e-all.pdf) have shown Barack Obama comfortably ahead of John McCain, and whose focus has been on not whether the Democrat will win but by how much.

Charlie Cook, long one of Washington's most venerated political wonks, belongs firmly in the latter category. In his latest column for the National Journal (http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/cookreport.php), he opines that McCain "probably can't win without divine intervention." In a tease to his subscription-only newsletter, he writes, "Since early September this race has shifted rather dramatically in Obama's favor. ... At this stage, the most relevant question would seem to be: 'How big will the train wreck be for the Republican Party up and down the ballot in November.' "

But let's give Cook this -- if need be, he's prepared to eat crow, big time.

During a Friday evening appearance on MSNBC, he had this to say about how he would come to grips with a McCain come-from-behind victory: "I'm going to be asking, 'Paper or plastic.' Or, 'Do you want fries with that.' "

Others might similarly need to contemplate a career change.

Where'd you get this one from?

[Findog]

Every poll that shows the race tied or within a dead heat has really fishy internals. Fox had the race at +9 for Obama, then +3. Well, they changed their weights dramatically without any reason. The Zogby thing is a joke.

[whottt]

:lmao

Most Accurate Pollster of Election 2004
Final Certified Results Reveal TIPP as the Most Accurate Pollster of Election 2004

An analysis of the presidential election's final certified results shows that TIPP's daily tracking polls proved to be the most accurate in terms of predicting the winner and his margin of victory.

Among the four national daily tracking polls, TIPP came closest to projecting Bush's actual margin of victory (2.1% projected vs. 2.5% actual).

TIPP also outperformed a field of 11 other national, non-tracking pre-election polls, coming within just four-tenths of a percentage point to predicting Bush’s actual margin of victory (2.1% projected vs. 2.5% actual).

TIPP predicted the winner of the election in several pre-election venues, including CNBC’s Kudlow and Cramer and in the pages of Investor’s Business Daily.

"We developed strong tracking metrics and voter models that allowed us to accurately predict the election's outcome,” said Raghavan Mayur, president of TIPP. "These metrics enabled us to minimize error and capture trends as they developed. We had our finger on the pulse of America throughout all of its palpitations."


I'm sorry what were you saying fuckstick?



Wrong bitch and unlike you, I provide links, from independent sources:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_/ai_n16464563

Ramussen:

Rasmussen was dubbed the most accurate pollster for the 2004 election when he correctly projected - within tenths of a point - the actual vote totals received by both President George W. Bush and challenger John Kerry. Rasmussen also correctly called the results in all 24 states polled over the campaign's final weekend including the pivotal outcome in Ohio. All Rasmussen polls are conducted via telephone using an automated system which offers exceptional stability and reliability for tracking trends.



Survey USA:


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_/ai_n6337180

SurveyUSA is Most Accurate Statewide Pollster in 2004, Analysis of 104 Polling Firms Reveals
Business Wire, Nov 8, 2004 E-mail Print Link VERONA, N.J. -- SurveyUSA was the most accurate statewide election pollster in the 2004 General Election, according to a SurveyUSA analysis published today of 445 final pre-election polls conducted by 104 separate polling organizations.

SurveyUSA's average error, in the 58 statewide contests it polled, was 3.0 percentage points, a lower average error than any of the 16 other polling firms who polled on more than 5 statewide contests this 2004 General Election (according to the scientific measure "Mosteller 5.")

SurveyUSA was within the margin of sampling error for 57 of 58 final pre-election polls.

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Project Management Standard Program "A number of statewide election pollsters had strong performances in 2004," says Jay H. Leve, Editor of SurveyUSA. "We are pleased to be one of them."

Because there is more than one way to measure the accuracy of an election poll, and not all measures produce the same result, SurveyUSA has posted to its website an interactive tool, that permits interested parties to sort the data from each of the 104 polling firms using the criteria of their choosing. Students of polling can create their own custom analyses of the data.

The interactive tool is posted to SurveyUSA's home page, here: www.surveyusa.com.

[whottt]

By the way...I'm glad you brought up TIPP...


http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977486825&nav=Explore

Most Accurate Poll in 2004: Obama's lead down to 1.1%




John McCain has cut into Barack Obama's lead for a second day and is now just 1.1 points behind. The spread was 3.7 Wednesday and 6.0 Tuesday. The Republican is making headway with middle- and working- class voters, and has surged 10 points in two days among those earning between $30,000 and $75,000. He has also gone from an 11-point deficit to a 9-point lead among Catholics.

[whottt]

PS: Just so we know how things are going heading into the final weekend:

Let's see what the most accurate pollster of 2000 has to say:

ZOGBY SATURDAY: Republican John McCain has pulled back within the margin of error… McCain outpolled Obama 48% to 47% in Friday, one day, polling. He is beginning to cut into Obama’s lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters. Joe the Plumber may get his license after all.





The communist dream is over...I suggest you guys make riot plans...Me? I got the old(licensed) handgun out of the drawer...I hope somebody attempts to assault me.

[Shastafarian]

By the way...I'm glad you brought up TIPP...


http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977486825&nav=Explore

Most Accurate Poll in 2004: Obama's lead down to 1.1%


So is TIPP more accurate than Rasmussen?

[Yonivore]

Where'd you get this one from?
Google it.

[Shastafarian]

Google it.

No. I don't feel like looking up the sources for your plagiarism.

[Yonivore]

No. I don't feel like looking up the sources for your plagiarism.

Then, don't expect me to help.

[whottt]

So is TIPP more accurate than Rasmussen?



Everyone of them makes some sort of claim.


But Rasmussen was the only pollster to call the correct winner of every battelground state in 2004...the only pollster to do so. They were way off on some of the winning percentages though...but the were on the right side of every call. Survey USA was consistently the closest to the winning margins in the state polls but they incorrectly called the winner in one state.

TIPP was probably over all the most accurate throughout the Nation or some shit like that.

In 2000 Zogby was the most accurate pollster, they actually called Bush losing the popular but winning the Electoral IIRC.

Incidentally...since 2000 Rasmussen has been consistently the most accurate.

They all make some sort of claim...but they've all been off in this election as well. I am citing Rasmussen here and now to prove a point about Penn...but I'm also saying they are off because of their heavy Democrat weights.


Sin,

a registered Democrat.

[clambake]

he has campaign money to spend. what do you want him to do, give it to khalidi?

[Nbadan]

Dubya (supposedly) won 04 by outspending Kerry - oh, the horror!

[Shastafarian]

Then, don't expect me to help.

I don't

[whottt]

The swwetest part of all this is going to be all the money that was backing Obama going down the drain. I am not just talking about contributions to Obama's campaign directly...I am talking about all the fronts money was poured into, all the corporate dollars backing him on the internet and in the media...

Billions not millions of dollars have been spent trying to elect this douche. Media companies(like the New York Times, the Washington Post, and NBC) have nearly put themsevles out of business trying to manipulate this guy into office...and they are going to take it up the ass on this one...unlubed.

[Shastafarian]

Yeah who would have thought it would take so much more money to elect the first black president ever. Makes you think...

[whottt]

Dubya (supposedly) won 04 by outspending Kerry - oh, the horror!


The horror for you should be that Obama has gotten more contributions from Dubya's big business backers than McCain has.


Dubya was in bed with big oil...Obama's in bed with big oil, and everyone else as well.

[clambake]

Dubya was in bed with big oil...Obama's in bed with big oil, and everyone else as well.

then why do you have a problem?

[whottt]

Yeah who would have thought it would take so much more money to elect the first black socialistpresident ever. Makes you think...

Electing the first black President is a tough road to hoe...electing the first black and socialist President when they are the same guy is next to impossible....let's not forget he's named Hussein as well.


Would it fucking kill you guys to nominate someone who doesn't think America is the problem?

You'd be amazed at how easily you can win the election if you stop nominating guys that come off as anti-American.

This means no medal throwing. No flag burning or stomping(or associating with those that two)...no refusing to put hand over heart for the National Anthem...etc.

PS: Calling people with that view stupid isn't likely to garner you many votes...does me calling you guys stupid endear you to my POV?

[ChumpDumper]

Now board Republicans believe in polls. :toast

[whottt]

then why do you have a problem?

You just don't understand why I supported W....it wasn't because I liked him or his politics.

[clambake]

whottts got this idea in his head that an obama win=his unemployment.

it's personal.

[clambake]

You just don't understand why I supported W....it wasn't because I liked him or his politics.

i understand why. by the time you found out, it was too late.

[Warlord23]

whottt is employed?

[whottt]

whottts got this idea in his head that an obama win=his unemployment.

it's personal.


Link?

[whottt]

i understand why. by the time you found out, it was too late.

No...you don't understand why, you're just stupid.

[clambake]

Link?

you already forgot your own statement?

[clambake]

No...you don't understand why, you're just stupid.

look around whottt.

[whottt]

Pennsylvania has been more BLUE/Dem than the popular national vote every election since 1948.

Think about that for a second. John McCain aint winnin Pennsylvania. By doubling down on Pennsylvania and directing most of his resources there, he can cut into Obama's lead by making inroads with independents and undecideds, but he needs Obama supporters to change their minds, and that will not happen.



I'd be willing to be that Obama is the first Democratic Nominee who didn't win the Primary since 1948 as well.


Oh wait...Kennedy beat Carter there in 1980, the year Reagan won the state against Carter.


Amazing how it works that way isn't it?

[JohnnyMarzetti]

It is all about the EV.

Obama/Biden 311
238 Solid 73 Leaning
McCain/Palin 132
127 Solid 5 Leaning
Toss Up 95

[Yonivore]

1948? Thomas Dewey and Barack Obama have the same number of letters.

What else do they have in common?

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/14/65214-004-5A49F3A6.jpg

[JohnnyMarzetti]

It isn't 1948 you idiot.

[whottt]

It isn't 1948 you idiot.


Tell that to Findog.




Incidentally Findog...you do realize that your point about Penn being bluer than the National Average isn't exactly a grand slam in your favor don't you?


I suggest putting a few more braincells in use.

[whottt]

It is all about the EV.

Obama/Biden 311
238 Solid 73 Leaning
McCain/Palin 132
127 Solid 5 Leaning
Toss Up 95


Obama EV = 0
McCain EV = 0


Someone is detatched from reality.

[JoeChalupa]

None of the polls means caca right now. It will be a very close finish, IMO, and I admit that the comeback kid McCain could still pull it off..I doubt it..but he is for real ladies and gentlemen.
But if McCain does come back to win it is because of Sarah Palin and NOT John McCain. Look for a Palin/Plumber ticket in 2012.

[Shastafarian]

Obama EV = 0
McCain EV = 0


Someone is detatched from reality.

Yeah cuz New York is gonna go red right?

[JoeChalupa]

If Whottt and Yonivore are honest with themselves they know damn well that it is an uphill climb for Palin/McCain.

[Shastafarian]

If Whottt and Yonivore are honest with themselves they know damn well that it is an uphill climb for Palin/McCain.

That's a very big "if".

[Yonivore]

If Whottt and Yonivore are honest with themselves they know damn well that it is an uphill climb for Palin/McCain.
I didn't say it wasn't. But, it ain't over 'til it's over and -- right now -- things appear to be swinging in McCain's favor.

If you guys were honest with yourselves, you'd know Obama could still lose on Tuesday.

[ChumpDumper]

According to polls you didn't believe before.

[Findog]

I'd be willing to be that Obama is the first Democratic Nominee who didn't win the Primary since 1948 as well.


Oh wait...Kennedy beat Carter there in 1980, the year Reagan won the state against Carter.


Amazing how it works that way isn't it?

Pennsylvania has been more blue/Dem than the popular vote in every election since 1948. It will go to Obama this year.

Thank you for chiming in as always, whottt.

[Findog]

Incidentally Findog...you do realize that your point about Penn being bluer than the National Average isn't exactly a grand slam in your favor don't you?


It means Obama will carry the state when he's ahead nationally by 5-7 points.

You'll realize this on Tuesday.

[whottt]

It means Obama will carry the state when he's ahead nationally by 5-7 points.


It doesn't mean that at all...


It means Penn could go to McCain as it is obviously going to do...and still be bluer than the rest of the Nation...

[Cry Havoc]

Tell that to Findog.




Incidentally Findog...you do realize that your point about Penn being bluer than the National Average isn't exactly a grand slam in your favor don't you?


I suggest putting a few more braincells in use.

I can't wait until Obama carries 300+ EVs and shuts you the fuck up for good on these boards. Your posts are a fucking waste of time and nothing else.

[Findog]

It doesn't mean that at all...


It means Penn could go to McCain as it is obviously going to do...and still be bluer than the rest of the Nation...

The only way that's possible is if the pollsters are massively oversampling Democrats. That's not very likely.

[dg7md]

Electing the first black President is a tough road to hoe...electing the first black and socialist President when they are the same guy is next to impossible....let's not forget he's named Hussein as well.


Would it fucking kill you guys to nominate someone who doesn't think America is the problem?

You'd be amazed at how easily you can win the election if you stop nominating guys that come off as anti-American.

This means no medal throwing. No flag burning or stomping(or associating with those that two)...no refusing to put hand over heart for the National Anthem...etc.

PS: Calling people with that view stupid isn't likely to garner you many votes...does me calling you guys stupid endear you to my POV?

This just in: republican supporters care more about practices and patriotic techniques more than actually fixing a country in dire need of a different path. The economy is struggling, education is down the drain, but all republicans, rather, conservatives seem to mention are the BS things like Obama's middle name.

Get real and start actually caring about what is going on instead of "oh, 5 years ago today, Obama said something mean about America." or "Obama seen 50 feet apart from socialist mastermind."

[whottt]

I can't wait until Obama carries 300+ EVs and shuts you the fuck up for good on these boards. Your posts are a fucking waste of time and nothing else.



I see, and what do you feel you bring to these boards that is so indispensible?

You'll have to point it out to me since I've had you on ignore* for a few months now.




*something you are obviously too fucking stupid to figure out how to do for yourself.

[TheMadHatter]

Pennsylvania will go Democratic, anyone who thinks otherwise is not really paying attention to the dynamics of the race in that state.

It is true, the race has tightened some in PA. BUT, it should be expected considering how much time and money McCain has spent there. Despite all of this McCain is still down 5-10 pts in the state and has not led in a single poll. Even more telling is the fact that Obama's level of support has remained constant at 50-52%. There is no way McCain can win this state unless he chips away at Obama's support, right now he's grabbing the undecideds but they alone cannot close the gap for him because there are MORE Democrats than Republicans in the state.

It's a Hail Mary play for McCain, but he's got no choice. There is no other viable path for him.

[Findog]

Obama continues to poll over 50% in Penn. McCain has picked up some support from the bottom up. He'll need to persuade some of Obama's supporters to change their minds.

[dg7md]

Obama continues to poll over 50% in Penn. McCain has picked up some support from the bottom up. He'll need to persuade some of Obama's supporters to change their minds.

In like 2 days? Not likely...

[Cry Havoc]

I see, and what do you feel you bring to these boards that is so indispensible?

You'll have to point it out to me since I've had you on ignore* for a few months now.




*something you are obviously too fucking stupid to figure out how to do for yourself.

Yes, that ignore feature is working so well for you. Thanks for the laugh. :toast

[whottt]

Yes, that ignore feature is working so well for you. Thanks for the laugh. :toast


It works great...doesn't mean I never check to see if posters have stopped sucking.

[byrontx]

The Republicans in the past have always been better at get-out-the-vote than the Democrats, hence the disparity between how dems poll versus vote. The dynamics appear to be very different this year. Republican efforts to suppress the vote haven't worked. Obama's team has effectively used the internet and an impressive ground organization to energize his supporters. The Republicans are about to get blown out this time.

[01.20.09]

It'll be closer but the Country is ready for change and is not liking the partisan stump speeches coming from McCain and Palin.

[boutons_]

"Republican efforts to suppress the vote haven't worked"

Repugs' pre-election legal BS hasn't worked so well, but there's still plenty of Repug dirty tricks expected on voting day.

google "spoonamore ohio" OH 2004 was stolen electronically.

[Mr. Peabody]

Obama goes back up by ten in Zogby single day polling keeping the rolling average unchanged.


Released: November 02, 2008
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: One Day Is Not A Trend: Obama Holds His Lead

Obama 49.5%, McCain 43.8%

UTICA, New York -- After a strong day of polling for Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Friday, Democrat Barack Obama experienced a strong single day of polling on Saturday, retaining a 5.7 point advantage that is right at the edge of the margin of error of the Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby daily tracking poll. The race has remained remarkably stable down the stretch, this three-day rolling average poll shows.

Data from this poll is available here
Pollster John Zogby: "Obama has consolidated his lead over McCain. His single day lead today was back to 52%-42%. He leads by 10 among independents and has solidified his base. He leads among Hispanics by38 points, African Americans by 88, 18-24 year olds by 36, 18-29 year olds by 25, 25-34 year olds by 16, women by 8, and men by 3. He has a 17 point lead among those who have already voted, 22 by those who have registered to vote in the past 6 months, Moderates by 34, Catholics by 10. He even receives 21% support among Conservatives.

"So what happened to give McCain a one-point lead in the one-day polling on Friday? It was a day of consolidation for him, too. He had been losing support among key groups and began to regain some of his own base. He now leads by 21 points among NASCAR fans, 9 among investors, 6 among voters in armed forces households, and 2 among voters over 65 years old.

"Remember, as I said yesterday, one day does not make a trend. This is a three-day rolling average and no changes have been tectonic. A special note to blogger friends: calm it down. Lay off the cable television noise and look at your baseball cards in your spare time. It is better for your (and everyone else's) health."

:lmao

[01.20.09]

Well whottt do you know about that!?!? :lmao

[Cry Havoc]

It works great...doesn't mean I never check to see if posters have stopped sucking.

For what it's worth I never stated that I contributed anything to the boards. However, I don't peddle ridiculous theories based on my own perception of events that have no basis in reality. To your credit, you've managed to find a few people that support your conclusion, but I'm hesitant to say that you even believe half the stuff you post. Your posts are pretty hilarious fodder for the political forum though, I'll give you that. And you were a pretty decent poster until after the RNC, in which you must have blown a fuse in your head while wanking to Palin.

Really though, it almost seems like you're purposely playing the archetype of a typical right-winger with their head in the sand (and yes, tons of liberals are like that as well). If you agreed with a single point someone else made without spinning it off in your own fashion, I'd probably be convinced that it's truly how you feel. As is, I'm torn between that and you just being clueless intentionally.

[Cry Havoc]

Obama goes back up by ten in Zogby single day polling keeping the rolling average unchanged.



:lmao

Dude, don't you know? The Zogby poll is ridiculous and I expect whottt to denounce it as voter fraud immediately.

[Bartleby]

Reading whottt's political posts is like watching Colbert, but without all the satire and irony.

[ChumpDumper]

Massive Zogby Fraud!

[whottt]

Well whottt do you know about that!?!? :lmao



1. I think weekend polls are notoriously bad for Republicans.

2. Does the drastic swing in these polls convince you of their integrity?

[cool hand]

...something like 7 to 1, spends thirty minutes schmoozing on 3 networks, and it comes to this?

McCain by 1 in daily Zogby poll (http://www.zogby.com/main.htm)?

Hell, Kerry and Gore both had bigger leads, in the polls, at this point.

Gotta suck to be a socialist right now, eh?

He's put a muzzle on Biden and is kicking news organizations, who criticize him, off the campaign plane. Ayers, Dohrn, Wright, Pfleger, and Khalidi are still in the news and gaining traction. Joe the Plumber is biting him in the ass over his socialist response -- and the retaliation by his minions -- to a simple question. He's snapping at reporters. His aunt is an illegal alien, living in a slum in South Chicago -- and illegally registering to vote. His brother is living in abject poverty in Kenya. He's one to talk about selfishness, eh? And, to top it off, some boob name berg is being a gnat over his very eligibility to be president.

:lmao

This has truly been an entertaining election.

Who thinks Obama's chances get better or worse before Tuesday?


you get an F.

[Shastafarian]

1. I think weekend polls are notoriously bad for Republicans. :lol


2. Does the drastic swing in these polls convince you of their integrity?Not this poll, no.

[~~~~~~]

Homeless picked up, driven to vote for Obama. (http://www.nypost.com/seven/10062008/news/nationalnews/homeless_driven_to_vote_obama_132395.htm)


http://www.nypost.com/seven/10062008/news/nationalnews/homeless_driven_to_vote_obama_132395.htm
CLEVELAND - Volunteers supporting Barack Obama picked up hundreds of people at homeless shelters, soup kitchens and drug-rehab centers and drove them to a polling place yesterday on the last day that Ohioans could register and vote on the same day, almost no questions asked.
The huge effort by a pro-Obama group, Vote Today Ohio, takes advantage of a quirk in the state's elections laws that allows people to register and cast ballots at the same time without having to prove residency.

Republicans have argued that the window could lead to widespread voter fraud because officials wouldn't have an opportunity to verify registration information before ballots were cast.

Among the volunteers were Yori Stadlin and Vivian Lehrer of the Upper West Side, who got married last week and decided to spend their honeymoon shepherding voters to the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections.

Early today, Stadlin's van picked up William Woods, 59, at the soup kitchen of the Bishop Cosgrove Center.

"I never voted before," Woods said, because of a felony conviction that previously barred him from the polls. "Without this service, I would have had no way to get here."

[boutons_]

HUSSEIN also OUTDRAWS McEmptyVenue

McCain's Crowd Disturbingly Small, Ten Times Less Than Planned For (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/03/mccains-crowd-disturbingl_n_140412.html)

Kicking off the last day of the election in Tampa, Florida, John McCain was welcomed by a roughly 1,000 voters. Compare that to (http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/11/tampa-tampa-ral.html) the 15,000 people that President Bush drew to a rally in Tampa on the eve of the 2004 election. "What's up with that?" wrote (http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/11/tampa-tampa-ral.html) Adam Smith at the St. Petersburg Times.


Even Fox News had a bit of difficulty spinning the whole thing. Carl Cameron, who is following the Senator at every stop on Monday, said the crowd size was likely "a little bit disturbing" for the McCain campaign. He added that organizers had set up the venue predicting ten times the number of attendees.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/03/mccains-crowd-disturbingl_n_140412.html?view=print

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McNasty is just where he wants to be, with "sound fundamentals" :lol

[cherylsteele]

Find one Presidential Election in the past 40 years where the Democrat had that small of a lead and won
1976 Election 32 yrs ago
Carter 50.1%
Ford 48.0%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1976