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dallaskd
11-03-2008, 07:48 PM
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On Nov. 15, UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture is set to make an Ali-like return to face Brock Lesnar in the main event of "UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar." UFC president Dana White has already promised this "will be the biggest fight in UFC history."

The 45-year-old Couture's scheduled return will be his first action since August 2007 at UFC 74. There, Couture defended his title against Gabriel Gonzaga. Couture won by TKO in the third, but came away with a broken left arm from blocking a kick. Following the fight, Couture announced his "retirement" from the UFC. The resulting dispute lasted fourteen months, until the UFC announced on Sept. 2 that it had resolved all issues with the estranged champion and re-signed him to a new three-fight deal.

Holder of a 16-8 MMA record (13-5 UFC), Couture is one of only two MMA fighters to have held a title in two different divisions -- and is the UFC's only five-time champion. Already a member of the UFC Hall of Fame, Couture displays decent standup skills with good head movement. He is most dangerous from the clinch, where he is equally likely to punish you with dirty boxing or dump you to the ground. Once he has you down, Couture holds top position and depends on ground-and-pound rather than submissions.

Ring rust is obviously a major concern, but Couture has not been particularly active in the latter part of his career to begin with. He fought only twice in 2005, once in 2006, and twice in 2007.

Couture is listed as 6'1 and 228 pounds. His opponent stands 6'3 and has to cut 15-pounds to make the heavyweight top limit of 265, giving Lesnar a realistic 40-pound weight advantage on fight night.

Lesnar made his MMA debut in K1 in June 2007 against Min Soo Kim (3-6 MMA), winning by TKO by ground and pound. In February 2008, Lesnar made his big-stage debut at UFC 81 against former heavyweight champion Frank Mir. There, Lesnar secured an early takedown and looked to be overwhelming his opponent, but was deducted a point for hitting Mir at the back of the head. Following another takedown by Lesnar, Mir secured a kneebar and forced a quick submission. Lesnar rebounded by defeating Heath Herring by unanimous decision at UFC 87 in August, bringing his MMA record to 2-1 (1-1 UFC).

Lesnar and Couture were both accomplished amateur wrestlers. Lesnar finished his career as a four-time All-American and the 2000 NCAA heavyweight champion, with a record of 106-5 overall. Couture was an All-American "only" three times with two second-place NCAA championships finishes. Couture was a more internationally decorated wrestler, a three-time Olympic team alternate and a semifinalist at the 2000 Olympic Trials. Lesnar went straight to the WWE after college, so it's hard to say what he could have done internationally.

More importantly than credentials is the immediate impact of size and strength on grappling skill. While there are some techniques that are impossible to power through, size and power go a long way. And it's hard to imagine that Couture isn't at a serious disadvantage wrestling as a result. It could also be argued that Couture struggled with larger wrestlers in his career: for example, consecutive losses to Josh Barnett and Ricco Rodriguez in 2002.

This fight presents several interesting dichotomies: age vs. youth, strategy vs. aggression, and veteran vs. rookie. To me, the most relevant comparison is not where the fighters differ, it's where they are the same. It's easy to enumerate Brock's inexperience against Couture's fantastic gameplanning, or Lesnar's incredible speed against Couture's age. More overlooked is that Couture's typical areas of strength -- speed, wrestling and physical power -- are all areas of weaknesses when compared against Lesnar. Lesnar is insanely fast, amazingly strong, and thanks in no small part to that speed and strength he possesses top-notch wrestling ability, including explosive takedowns and a dominant top game (what we've seen of it).

Conversely, Lesnar's main weakness is not Couture's area of strength. We know that Lesnar is not exactly a submission defense expert. However, Couture only has two submission victories to his credit in an eleven-year career: a victory via anaconda choke over Mike van Arsdale (1-4 UFC) at UFC 54 in 2005, and a victory by rear-naked choke over Tony Halme (0-1 UFC) in his UFC debut in 1997 at UFC 13. Coincidentally, Halme wrestled for the WWF as "Ludvig Borga" from 1993-94, making Couture 1-0 so far against former professional WWF/WWE wrestlers.

Most relevant is that Couture didn't show any significant submission offense against Tim Sylvia, despite controlling him in dominant positions the entire fight. Sylvia presents an attractive submission target and is much less capable of reversal and escape compared to Lesnar's phenomenal explosiveness and wrestling skills. Couture also didn't display strong submission offense in his fight with Tito Ortiz, unable to apply a rear naked choke despite taking Tito's back. Mir's kneebar aside, I think Couture will have a hard time submitting Lesnar without getting reversed, especially given the amount of time and training Lensar's had since the quick tap against Mir.

Assuming Lesnar has the advantage wrestling, if he can put Couture on his back, what about a submission from the bottom? Couture has almost never been put on his back, so his submission skills from there are unknown. Wrestlers aren't typically comfortable from their backs. So despite Couture's experience, I can't expect he's going show up as a submission specialist from his back. His entire career gives no indication of being strong in submissions from dominant positions, let alone defensive ones.

Couture has respect in the grappling world, stemming from a scoreless draw in a 2006 grappling match against Ronaldo "Jacare" de Souza, one of the top grapplers in the world. Couture had a significant size and strength advantage on 185-pound Jacare, and mostly spent the match on the defensive. So the scoreless draw isn't reason to upgrade his offensive submission skills -- defensive, sure, but that's not so relevant here.

For perhaps the first time in his career, Couture is at a disadvantage in quickness, wrestling and strength. While you can never count Couture out, it's hard to see where Couture has an edge outside of his legendary gameplanning and in experience.

It's probable that Couture will have an edge in cardio, but that too comes from experience: the wily veteran knows to pace himself for the championship fight. Lesnar demonstrated a frenetic pace in his fights, but trainer Greg Nelson will surely have him prepared for an appropriate pace as much as theoretically possible. We also can question Couture's cardio, with concerns of ring rust, age, and that he'll be dealing with 280 pounds of muscle on top of him the entire fight.

Couture's victory over Sylvia at UFC 68 has been given as reason why he should succeed against Lesnar. This is a very bad comparison: Sylvia, while large in stature, isn't solid muscle, isn't highly athletic, and doesn't have a world-class wrestling background. Sylvia was also hampered in their fight by a back injury. In short, Sylvia is no comparison to Lesnar.

Couture has the best ability of anyone to game plan, so he's hard to predict. Still, we can assume he will want to use his wrestling to try to keep the fight standing, probably will take the fight to Lesnar, but mostly will try to drag Lesnar in to "deep water," planning on testing Lesnar's cardio. However, thanks to the factors outlined above, I believe Couture is going to be put on his back, and isn't likely to threaten with submissions once there. It's certainly possible that Lesnar will indeed gas in the latter rounds, but I expect instead that we see Lesnar win a dominant five-round decision in the neighborhood of 50-44.

I believe Lesnar should be a moderate favorite over Couture. The betting line for this fight opened at Couture (-160), Lesnar (+130) on a major sportsbook. As I quickly posted in the MMAjunkie.com MMA forums, I predicted that money would come pouring in on Lesnar. As of the time of writing, that prediction has born true, with Lesnar dropping to (-115) on the same book, a move of 45 points. I believe the true line to be even farther off, closer to Lesnar (-140). However, understand that this fight represents a high-volatility outcome: even if I am precisely correct and Lesnar is exactly a (-140) favorite, he would win this fight only 58 percent of the time, making it obvious that there's still a high percentage chance for Couture to walk away still champion.

There is also an interesting prop bet available:

Couture/ Lesnar Fight goes 2:30 of Round 3 at (-260)
Couture/ Lesnar Fight does not go 2:30 of Round 3 at (+200)

I like the over, figuring that Couture's gameplan is going to be to drag this out as long as possible, and that Lesnar is likely to adopt a similar gameplan as in his victory over Herring. I expect the line to continue to improve (the public loves "unders") and hope to get it closer to (-230).

The winner of this fight will go on to fight the winner of Nogueira vs. Mir at UFC 92 (I believe "Minotauro" wins handily) to unify the interim title, making this effectively a four man tournament for sole possession of the UFC's heavyweight title. If that's not a storyline written for an ex-WWE superstar, I don't know what is.


-Fight Magazine

dallaskd
11-03-2008, 08:21 PM
ata' boy bsm

Evan
11-03-2008, 08:22 PM
Regardless of the outcome, neither of these guys have the gas to go to a decision. Thats the only thing I am sure of.

dbreiden83080
11-03-2008, 09:48 PM
WOW tremendous breakdown right there that is for sure. Really doesn't give Randy much of a shot here and highlights all the physical edges Brock has in this fight. Most of what was said, about securing top position, controlling the pace and Randy's inability to put the fight where he is most comfortable i am in complete agreement with and are the primary reasons why i picked Brock to win this fight. I love how they went into detail about Sylvia, "Yeah he's big, but lets face it he isn't much of an athlete or a wrestler" Just don't really see Randy being able to overcome all that size/power,wrestling and athletic ability. Gonna be a hell of an interesting fight...

dallaskd
11-04-2008, 08:14 PM
Yeah great write up by Fight Mag. I just think its funny every time randy fights no one gives him a shot and then after its over i hear "Im never betting against Captain American again!!!" and then next fight... "but guys theres to many odds against him!!!"

dallaskd
11-04-2008, 08:17 PM
Brock has really shown me nothing yet. He beat up freakin Heath Herring. Yes the same Heath Herring who got his ass kicked by Jake O'Brien. And in the Herring fight I really don't think he did much besides the first punch that rocked him. Most of the fight he laid on Heath and donkey kong punched him for 15 minutes and couldn't finish it. Just pure brute force is all i see.

dbreiden83080
11-04-2008, 08:20 PM
Yeah great write up by Fight Mag. I just think its funny every time randy fights no one gives him a shot and then after its over i hear "Im never betting against Captain American again!!!" and then next fight... "but guys theres to many odds against him!!!"

Well against Sylvia that was fair, i mean he hadn't fought at Heavyweight for years and Tim was a good champion, boring but good. Gonzaga that was pretty even. He had not done much other than beating Cro-Cop. I thought Randy would win that fight. I'm not saying he can't win as in he has no chance, i just think he has never fought someone with this much physical talent and his age may finally be a factor here. You have to remember, Sylvia and Gonzaga, neither one of them can wrestle..

dallaskd
11-04-2008, 08:20 PM
Going to be a lot like Sapp vs Nog. Lesnar overwhelms Randy early with his size but skill and experience prevail.

Anti.Hero
11-04-2008, 08:22 PM
The old general. Submission. 2nd round.

dbreiden83080
11-04-2008, 08:24 PM
Brock has really shown me nothing yet. He beat up freakin Heath Herring. Yes the same Heath Herring who got his ass kicked by Jake O'Brien. And in the Herring fight I really don't think he did much besides the first punch that rocked him. Most of the fight he laid on Heath and donkey kong punched him for 15 minutes and couldn't finish it. Just pure brute force is all i see.

While you are trashing Herring, please note that he beat Kongo the fight before Brock, a top notch Heavyweight and had Nog in big time trouble the fight before that. Nobody is saying he is a great fighter but Herring is a legit Heavyweight. As i have said before Brock did no try and finish that fight. Watch it back and show me where he tried? Brock went crazy on Mir and got caught. He took his time and used his wreslting and athletic talent to just get that decision. Many MMA anaylists noted after that fight that Brock "Did not try to finish it"... I agree with that assessment.

dbreiden83080
11-04-2008, 08:26 PM
Going to be a lot like Sapp vs Nog. Lesnar overwhelms Randy early with his size but skill and experience prevail.

If you are putting Brock in the same category as Sapp, you are not given the man his proper due at all. Brocks background is so superior to Sapp it is crazy

dallaskd
11-04-2008, 08:30 PM
If you are putting Brock in the same category as Sapp, you are not given the man his proper due at all. Brocks background is so superior to Sapp it is crazy

I'm saying the fight will go the same way. I don't understand why people think Brock will beat Randy and lose to Nog. Nog got his head pounded against Sapp. Brock will be even worse until Nog can catch him in a sub, but it might be too late.

dallaskd
11-04-2008, 08:31 PM
While you are trashing Herring, please note that he beat Kongo the fight before Brock, a top notch Heavyweight and had Nog in big time trouble the fight before that. Nobody is saying he is a great fighter but Herring is a legit Heavyweight. As i have said before Brock did no try and finish that fight. Watch it back and show me where he tried? Brock went crazy on Mir and got caught. He took his time and used his wreslting and athletic talent to just get that decision. Many MMA anaylists noted after that fight that Brock "Did not try to finish it"... I agree with that assessment.

What has Kongo done to be a top HW? Besides beating an old rusty Cro Cop. And IMO lost his fight to Assuerio Silva, who is flat of terrible.

dallaskd
11-04-2008, 08:32 PM
The UFC has gave Kongo no competition.

Evan
11-04-2008, 08:32 PM
Going to be a lot like Sapp vs Nog. Lesnar overwhelms Randy early with his size but skill and experience prevail.

whoa whoa ......settle down and tap the breaks......

Evan
11-04-2008, 08:32 PM
The UFC has gave Kongo no competition.

Ever heard of Cro Cop?

dallaskd
11-04-2008, 08:33 PM
Well against Sylvia that was fair, i mean he hadn't fought at Heavyweight for years and Tim was a good champion, boring but good. Gonzaga that was pretty even. He had not done much other than beating Cro-Cop. I thought Randy would win that fight. I'm not saying he can't win as in he has no chance, i just think he has never fought someone with this much physical talent and his age may finally be a factor here. You have to remember, Sylvia and Gonzaga, neither one of them can wrestle..

Gonzaga has to be a decent wrestler to be black belt in BJJ.

dbreiden83080
11-04-2008, 08:33 PM
I'm saying the fight will go the same way. I don't understand why people think Brock will beat Randy and lose to Nog. Nog got his head pounded against Sapp. Brock will be even worse until Nog can catch him in a sub, but it might be too late.

There is no comparing, Brock and Sapp. Brock is a decorated wrestling champion, Sapp is just a big SOB who hits hard. If Randy can't get top position and stop from being taken down, how is he winning the fight?? Again his last 2 wins were against very good fighters but they couldn't wrestle. Brock is different..

dallaskd
11-04-2008, 08:35 PM
Ever heard of Cro Cop?

Cro Cop has done nothing in 2 years since he beat Barnett. Should've lost to Overeem too. Cro Cop was an average fighter in the UFC, if that.

dbreiden83080
11-04-2008, 08:35 PM
Gonzaga has to be a decent wrestler to be black belt in BJJ.

He is nowhere in Brocks league in that area, no comparison whatsoever...

dbreiden83080
11-04-2008, 08:37 PM
Cro Cop has done nothing in 2 years since he beat Barnett. Should've lost to Overeem too. Cro Cop was an average fighter in the UFC, if that.

He wasnt seen as average when he fought Gabe though. Everyone picked Mirko to win that fight..

djohn14
11-04-2008, 08:37 PM
I just dont see this fight being finished. Randy by decision.

dallaskd
11-04-2008, 08:39 PM
NCAA wrestling medals don't equal UFC belts...

Evan
11-04-2008, 08:39 PM
Cro Cop has done nothing in 2 years since he beat Barnett. Should've lost to Overeem too. Cro Cop was an average fighter in the UFC, if that.

You need to back up and remember where he was at then. You can't take what he has done recently and accuse Kongo of having no competition. At the time everyone thought the UFC was throwing Cro Cop somewhat of a layup to KO. Including me.

dbreiden83080
11-04-2008, 08:42 PM
NCAA wrestling medals don't equal UFC belts...

You are badly badly underestimating Brocks background. Dude he dumped Mir on his head like he was a child got in his half guard and was beating the shit out of him. Tossed Herring around like a rag-doll for 15 min with his wrestling. The dude's wrestling is stellar, that much is clear.. Randy can beat him but he is not going to overwhelm Brock with wrestling.

Evan
11-04-2008, 08:43 PM
NCAA wrestling medals don't equal UFC belts...

Of course not...but they build the base of a prospect. Hey even Randy says he would be nowhere without his wrestling background.

dallaskd
11-04-2008, 08:43 PM
At the time Cro Cop LOOKED like a top fighter when he first came over but now we now he was nothing more than a Hardonk in the UFC. So i say Kongo has still not faced a top opponent.

dbreiden83080
11-04-2008, 08:45 PM
You need to back up and remember where he was at then. You can't take what he has done recently and accuse Kongo of having no competition. At the time everyone thought the UFC was throwing Cro Cop somewhat of a layup to KO. Including me.

Yep pretty much what i said..

Randy was there that night doing commentary and he was the only one in the building pickling Gonzaga to win the fight

Evan
11-04-2008, 08:46 PM
At the time Cro Cop LOOKED like a top fighter when he first came over but now we now he was nothing more than a Hardonk in the UFC. So i say Kongo has still not faced a top opponent.

You're having revisionist history. Cro Cop was still a awesome fighter when he walked into that cage that night. I would say thats the fight where he lost his fire.

dallaskd
11-04-2008, 08:46 PM
Yep pretty much what i said..

Randy was there that night doing commentary and he was the only one in the building pickling Gonzaga to win the fight

I was talking about Kongo and CC.

Evan
11-04-2008, 08:46 PM
and he was the only one in the building pickling Gonzaga to win the fight

I think that was the dawn of "prophet prediction Randy" :lol

Evan
11-04-2008, 08:47 PM
I was talking about Kongo and CC.

And he was validating Cro Cop for that fight Kongo CC fight.

dbreiden83080
11-04-2008, 08:48 PM
I was talking about Kongo and CC.

CC looked like shit in that fight no doubt after a good first round he, let Kongo kick him in the hips and legs for 2 rounds. But he was seen as a beast heading into to the Gabe fight, as Evan and myself are saying..

Evan
11-04-2008, 08:52 PM
Yeah I mean he was very much considered a top 5 fighter then.

I still wonder if he can be back to one again one day...I wish he would go away for a year and relax/heal up.

Dude has been in so many fights....

dbreiden83080
11-04-2008, 08:55 PM
Correct me if i'm wrong but i though heading into the Gonzaga fight, CC was seen as the 2nd best heavy on the planet, and Fedor was the only man that could beat him

Nobody thought he was washed up then

Evan
11-04-2008, 09:00 PM
Correct me if i'm wrong but i though heading into the Gonzaga fight, CC was seen as the 2nd best heavy on the planet, and Fedor was the only man that could beat him

Nobody thought he was washed up then

if I remember right.... generally...think it was Fedor, Cro Cop, Nog, Tim and uh..........Arovski? Josh?

Still can't believe idiots had Hunt in the top 10 back then....

dallaskd
11-06-2008, 07:10 PM
bump. lets get predictions. so far its a 5-5 draw.

tlongII
11-06-2008, 07:54 PM
If you are putting Brock in the same category as Sapp, you are not given the man his proper due at all. Brocks background is so superior to Sapp it is crazy

Personally I think Sapp would beat the hell out of Lesnar. He's a lot bigger than Brock.

dallaskd
11-06-2008, 08:12 PM
Personally I think Sapp would beat the hell out of Lesnar. He's a lot bigger than Brock.

Sapp has a glass jaw and no wrestling. The reason he was successful vs Nog was he was so much physically bigger and had decent enough sub defense.

Evan
11-06-2008, 08:31 PM
Personally I think Sapp would beat the hell out of Lesnar. He's a lot bigger than Brock.

Sapp is not a fighter...he is a Japanese cartoon for show.

I'm not kidding.

angelbelow
11-06-2008, 08:55 PM
i voted corture by sub :)

dbreiden83080
11-06-2008, 09:19 PM
Personally I think Sapp would beat the hell out of Lesnar. He's a lot bigger than Brock.

Yeah you just showed a staggering lack of MMA knowledge on that one..

Try again...

Evan
11-06-2008, 09:22 PM
giJxnhvK2js

^one of countless Japanese MMA cartoons. MMA and WWF type wrestling are a hybrid form of sports in Japan. You're never sure whats legit in a lot of cases.

Cant_Be_Faded
11-06-2008, 09:27 PM
I don't think any of you truly grasp how strong Brock Lesnar is.....he's going to bum rush that old guy and no matter how crafty he is or how hard he tries to make Lesnar submit, eventually Lesnar is going to knock Couture's ass out with a hook or a cross...

I want to see Lesnar fight Kimbo Slice, that would REALLY destroy the Kimbo legend.

dallaskd
11-06-2008, 09:29 PM
Still gotta love Sapp, dude is hilarious.

dallaskd
11-06-2008, 09:29 PM
I don't think any of you truly grasp how strong Brock Lesnar is.....he's going to bum rush that old guy and no matter how crafty he is or how hard he tries to make Lesnar submit, eventually Lesnar is going to knock Couture's ass out with a hook or a cross...

I want to see Lesnar fight Kimbo Slice, that would REALLY destroy the Kimbo legend.

Anyone could destroy the Kimbo Legend. Brad Imes could destroy the Kimbo Legend if he wanted.

Evan
11-06-2008, 09:31 PM
I don't think any of you truly grasp how strong Brock Lesnar is.....

No I think I got it. I think he will win.


I want to see Lesnar fight Kimbo Slice, that would REALLY destroy the Kimbo legend.

No...

He just got washed out by a class E scrub who fights in a class lower than him weight wise. Losing to Lesnar would be a legitimate fight.

dbreiden83080
11-06-2008, 09:31 PM
LOL, yeah i've seen that video before, Sapp is a total joke..

Evan
11-06-2008, 09:33 PM
Still gotta love Sapp, dude is hilarious.

Oh absolutely.

I'm surprised EliteXC didn't pull a few strings to get him to fight Kimbo.

Rip-Hamilton32
11-06-2008, 09:33 PM
where is lesnar by murder? i voted brock by tko

dallaskd
11-06-2008, 09:33 PM
LOL, yeah i've seen that video before, Sapp is a total joke..

I don't care if he can't fight or if he takes it seriously. The dude is awesome and at least he has fought some decent competition.

dallaskd
11-06-2008, 09:35 PM
where is lesnar by murder? i voted brock by tko

I'm just going to stay quiet till the fight cause i have no one to side with me on this and there's no use to fight it anymore.

dbreiden83080
11-06-2008, 09:39 PM
I want to see Lesnar fight Kimbo Slice, that would REALLY destroy the Kimbo legend.

No Evan is 100% right, fighting Brock is a legit fight and Kimbo is just a circus act. He has already been exposed, nobody sees him as legit anymore, he'll fight again but the attention he once got will never be the same, we hope...

Anyone could destroy the Kimbo Legend. Brad Imes could destroy the Kimbo Legend if he wanted.

LOL, :lmao



He just got washed out by a class E scrub who fights in a class lower than him weight wise. Losing to Lesnar would be a legitimate fight.

Yep and Brock has a bright future ahead as long as he is healthy and focused, no need for any nonsense with Kimbo..

dallaskd
11-06-2008, 09:41 PM
Josh Haynes vs Kimbo. Who takes it?

Im might actually take Butterball on this one, but I'm not sure.

Evan
11-06-2008, 09:43 PM
Haynes by furious leglock.

dbreiden83080
11-06-2008, 09:45 PM
I don't care if he can't fight or if he takes it seriously. The dude is awesome and at least he has fought some decent competition.

He is funny as all hell but Brock would murder the guy, it would not be close..


I'm just going to stay quiet till the fight cause i have no one to side with me on this and there's no use to fight it anymore.


I am not totally against you on this. I have said there are scenarios where Randy can win, he is Randy after all and all that experience counts for a lot but i've picked Brock because i like the matchup in his favor, but can he lose this fight, of course Brock can lose... It's MMA, shit happens...

dbreiden83080
11-06-2008, 09:47 PM
Josh Haynes vs Kimbo. Who takes it?

Im might actually take Butterball on this one, but I'm not sure.

Even Kimbo might take that one, is he still managing a strip Club??

Evan
11-06-2008, 09:50 PM
He just beat Sean "I get HL Ko'd" Salmon a few weeks ago.

desflood
11-06-2008, 09:51 PM
Haynes by furious leglock.
Before or after he rides the bull?

Evan
11-06-2008, 10:00 PM
Before or after he rides the bull?

I think they prefer African Americans. :wow

desflood
11-06-2008, 10:10 PM
"Celebrity Bull-Riding". It was a show. Josh Haynes was on it.

Evan
11-06-2008, 10:15 PM
"Celebrity Bull-Riding". It was a show. Josh Haynes was on it.

:lol

desflood
11-06-2008, 10:17 PM
Har de har har.

Evan
11-06-2008, 10:56 PM
Har de har har.

In my world little elves we're rolling holding their belly's.

cornbread
11-06-2008, 10:57 PM
http://mmamania.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/ufc91poster.jpg


Seriously, how the fuck do you get a tattoo of dildo on your chest?

IronMexican
11-06-2008, 11:00 PM
I saw people put Lesnar by submission, so I went with that.

dbreiden83080
11-06-2008, 11:01 PM
Seriously, how the fuck do you get a tattoo of dildo on your chest?

You wanna walk up to him and tell him you don't like it?

Is your insurance all paid up??

Evan
11-06-2008, 11:02 PM
Seriously, how the fuck do you get a tattoo of dildo on your chest?

Hit on the Tattooists wife?

cornbread
11-06-2008, 11:43 PM
You wanna walk up to him and tell him you don't like it?

Is your insurance all paid up??

It's just amazing that at no point during his tattoo planning process, did one person say, "I don't know about that Brock. It might resemble having a giant penis on your chest." Not even the tattoo artist.

cornbread
11-06-2008, 11:46 PM
Hit on the Tattooists wife?

:lol Perhaps an mma fan who despised the idea of WWF wrastlers moving into mma?

Evan
11-07-2008, 07:52 AM
:lol Perhaps an mma fan who despised the idea of WWF wrastlers moving into mma?

That will do it too! :lol

dbreiden83080
11-07-2008, 10:20 AM
It's just amazing that at no point during his tattoo planning process, did one person say, "I don't know about that Brock. It might resemble having a giant penis on your chest." Not even the tattoo artist.

It's a dumb tattoo i agree. He said in an interview that he got it to represent a knife always being at his throat, like he's always under the gun. It looks bad though...

Evan
11-07-2008, 11:07 AM
The reasoning behind that knife is understandable, I guess, but wow did it not work out so well.

It looks like it could be lasered off pretty easy though…I think black is the easiest tattoo ink to remove?

LEONARD
11-07-2008, 11:42 AM
Couture via TKO...

polandprzem
11-07-2008, 03:32 PM
Randy via submision

I know I know :rolleyes

dallaskd
11-12-2008, 08:43 PM
bump.

ATRAIN
11-17-2008, 01:19 PM
^^ BUMP hahaha just for you Dallas

dbreiden83080
11-17-2008, 01:21 PM
Randy by decision, oh wait...........

ATRAIN
11-17-2008, 01:22 PM
I want to see Lesnar fight Kimbo Slice, that would REALLY destroy the Kimbo legend.

I cant believe I missed this. By saying this establishes how much you know about the sport. If Seth was able to knock out Kimbo anyone in the UFC would destroy him.

dbreiden83080
11-17-2008, 01:25 PM
I cant believe I missed this. By saying this establishes how much you know about the sport. If Seth was able to knock out Kimbo anyone in the UFC would destroy him.

Dana is trying to entice him into coming on the TUF, but i doubt he'll do it..

ATRAIN
11-17-2008, 01:26 PM
Dana is trying to entice him into coming on the TUF, but i doubt he'll do it..

He wouldnt even make the house.