My Five Final Reasons Against Obama/Biden

[2centsworth]

Obama is going to be the next president, so this is just getting stuff off my chest.

5. I'm astonished by their lack of knowledge of history.

Biden not knowing Hoover was President during the Crash of 1929 is despicable. Then making up a story that Roosevelt got on Television.... Unacceptable ignorance IMO.

Barack and his "bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor" and Americans liberated Aushwitz.

People who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

4. The 95% of people will get tax cuts lie. Tell it like it is Barack. More han 40% of people will receive a welfare check. It's redistribution, why lie?

3. throwing his mother under the bus. Michele Obama not being proud of her country. Rezco, Wright, Ayers, etc...

2. His radical views on Abortion. Dude called babies punishment.

1. Entitlements are going to bankrupt this country and Obama is going to add fuel to that flame.

[Shastafarian]

What are your five final reasons against McCain/Palin?

[who gives a fuck?]

:sleep

[cool hand]

Sean Faggity regurgitations....................give it up.

[nkdlunch]

:lmao

because Palin is such a history buff

[dg7md]

"Radical" views on abortion, like the views that the majority of women take to have freedom of their own bodies?

[Shastafarian]

"Radical" views on abortion, like the views that the majority of women take to have freedom of their own bodies?

*air quotes* health of the mother

[bobbyjoe]

Obama is going to be the next president, so this is just getting stuff off my chest.

5. I'm astonished by their lack of knowledge of history.

Biden not knowing Hoover was President during the Crash of 1929 is despicable. Then making up a story that Roosevelt got on Television.... Unacceptable ignorance IMO.

Barack and his "bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor" and Americans liberated Aushwitz.

People who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

4. The 95% of people will get tax cuts lie. Tell it like it is Barack. More han 40% of people will receive a welfare check. It's redistribution, why lie?

3. throwing his mother under the bus. Michele Obama not being proud of her country. Rezco, Wright, Ayers, etc...

2. His radical views on Abortion. Dude called babies punishment.

1. Entitlements are going to bankrupt this country and Obama is going to add fuel to that flame.

Any common sense tells you taxes are going up the next few years. Deficits and debt are just skyrocketing with no end in sight.

This will happen regardless of who wins tomorrow and the reason is George the Chimp Bush who more than doubled the size of govt and it's debt in just 8 years. The guy left the next President with an ugly federal balance sheet which is going to have to be cleaned up with higher taxes any way you friggin slice it.

You don't finance a doubling of the government with one of the largest tax cuts ever.

It's Chimp Economics. We'll be paying the price for decades for Bush's incompetence, stupidity, and stubbornness.

It'd be nice to pass a law where a minimum level of IQ is necessary before one can run for President in light of the Bush fiasco.

[hater]

Obama is going to be the next president, so this is just getting stuff off my chest.

5. I'm astonished by their lack of knowledge of history.

2 words. Sarah Palin



4. The 95% of people will get tax cuts lie. Tell it like it is Barack. More han 40% of people will receive a welfare check. It's redistribution, why lie?


He did not lie he himself said he is trying to spread the wealth. IMO that is a good thing.



3. throwing his mother under the bus. Michele Obama not being proud of her country. Rezco, Wright, Ayers, etc...


Mcain threw his wife away for a younger hotter version.



2. His radical views on Abortion. Dude called babies punishment.


radical view is forcing the victim to have a baby after being raped by a drug addict.




1. Entitlements are going to bankrupt this country and Obama is going to add fuel to that flame.

Newsflash: the country is already bankrupt

[ratm1221]

Haha, and Palin is such a History guru? What a joke... I'd love for one of these reporters to give her a pop quiz next interview with her pathetic degree in Journalism.

"Mrs Palin, can you please tell us who muckrakers were?"

Palin: "Well, first let me ask you who you think they were?" :lmao

[Bartleby]

Couric: And when it comes to establishing your worldview, I was curious, what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay informed and to understand the world?

Palin: I've read most of them, again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media.

Couric: What, specifically?

Palin: Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me all these years.

Couric: Can you name a few?

Palin: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news, too. Alaska isn't a foreign country, where it's kind of suggested, "Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C., may be thinking when you live up there in Alaska?" Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America.

[dg7md]

Good point bobbyjoe about taxes being raised regardless due to the spending that has already occurred. Might as well get some government programs out of that taxation.

[2centsworth]

Any common sense tells you taxes are going up the next few years. Deficits and debt are just skyrocketing with no end in sight.

This will happen regardless of who wins tomorrow and the reason is George the Chimp Bush who more than doubled the size of govt and it's debt in just 8 years. The guy left the next President with an ugly federal balance sheet which is going to have to be cleaned up with higher taxes any way you friggin slice it.

You don't finance a doubling of the government with one of the largest tax cuts ever.

It's Chimp Economics. We'll be paying the price for decades for Bush's incompetence, stupidity, and stubbornness.

It'd be nice to pass a law where a minimum level of IQ is necessary before one can run for President in light of the Bush fiasco.

please answer one question. how come federal tax revenues increased and reached record highs after the tax cut?

[TheMadHatter]

What a fucking worthless post.

Obama taught Constitutional Law for 5+ years. He knows more about US History than any President in our history. If he misspoke on a subject it's probably a brainfart more than anything, you realize how many speeches he has given in the last 2 years? Everyone goofs. You're a fucking moron. Kill yourself.

[Findog]

:sleep

[ratm1221]

Maybe the repugs are the ones that need to go read a history book. How many times does laissez faire capitalism have to fail before they realize it doesn't work.

Cue socialist accusations...5...4...3...2... :rolleyes

[2centsworth]

2 words. Sarah Palin

example please.




He did not lie he himself said he is trying to spread the wealth. IMO that is a good thing.

He has not stated it the way you're suggesting. He continues to say a tax cut for 95% of people. It's a welfare check for a large percentage. It's cool that you believe that's a good thing. Mr. Obama shouldn't lie about what he really means.





Mcain threw his wife away for a younger hotter version.

I voted for Bill Clinton so you're not going to get me on women. However, felons, terrorist and racist do bother me.





radical view is forcing the victim to have a baby after being raped by a drug addict. get real. try again.





Newsflash: the country is already bankrupt when did we default on our loans?

[boutons_]

"how come federal tax revenues increased and reached record highs after the tax cut"

First you prove that event A preceding event B means that event A caused event B

[2centsworth]

Maybe the repugs are the ones that need to go read a history book. How many times does laissez faire capitalism have to fail before they realize it doesn't work.

Cue socialist accusations...5...4...3...2... :rolleyes

how has it not worked? We are the wealthiest country in the world. Our "poor" are rich compared to the average citizen in a communist/socialist country.

Look at what capitalism has done to the Chinese Middle Class.

Are there business cycles, yes.

[Bartleby]

The cuts were deficit-financed. Does that bother you? It should, especially if you are worried about out of control spending.

[DarkReign]

5. I'm astonished by their lack of knowledge of history.

Biden not knowing Hoover was President during the Crash of 1929 is despicable. Then making up a story that Roosevelt got on Television.... Unacceptable ignorance IMO.

Barack and his "bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor" and Americans liberated Aushwitz.

People who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

Have to agree.


4. The 95% of people will get tax cuts lie. Tell it like it is Barack. More han 40% of people will receive a welfare check. It's redistribution, why lie?

I am not entirely sure everyone is going to get a check, per say.


3. throwing his mother under the bus. Michele Obama not being proud of her country. Rezco, Wright, Ayers, etc...

Cant agree. Politics is a dirty business, shady characters abound....unless youre born it.


2. His radical views on Abortion. Dude called babies punishment.

Totally disagree, and I dont recall that remark.


1. Entitlements are going to bankrupt this country and Obama is going to add fuel to that flame.

Wholeheartedly agree. Although, I think either candidate will do the same. That is the crime of this election.

[DarkReign]

BTW, I think a lot of people jumped the gun on 2cents here.

He is approaching the oncoming Obama presidency in the proper context.

Objectively. Its time to be critical again, ladies and gentlemen.

My opinion, anyway.

[2centsworth]

The cuts were deficit-financed. Does that bother you? It should, especially if you are worried about out of control spending.

simple math. cuts generated increased tax revenue. If cuts decreased revenue, and then you would have a point.

Spending is the problem!

[ratm1221]

how has it not worked? We are the wealthiest country in the world. Our "poor" are rich compared to the average citizen in a communist/socialist country.

Look at what capitalism has done to the Chinese Middle Class.

Are there business cycles, yes.

I'm not talking about communist/socialist government. I'm just talking about taking the laissez faire out of the picture.

[Bartleby]

simple math. cuts generated increased tax revenue. If cuts decreased revenue, and then you would have a point.

Spending is the problem!

The 03 cuts increased the GDP, but that's owing in part to the fact that we were coming out of recession and a dip in revenues after the 01 tax cuts. The cuts may not have decreased revenue, but they very well may have generated less revenue than would have been generated without them.

[Shastafarian]

So are you unbiased 2cents? What are the final five reasons against McCain?

[2centsworth]

I'm not talking about communist/socialist government. I'm just talking about taking the laissez faire out of the picture.

too much regulation isn't good, but neither is too little. I'm for discussing regulation and in fact that's what government is for.

[2centsworth]

The 03 cuts increased the GDP, but that's owing in part to the fact that we were coming out of recession and a dip in revenues after the 01 tax cuts. The cuts may not have decreased revenue, but they very well may have generated less revenue than would have been generated without them.

you're wrong on a few fronts.

03 cuts didn't happen in 01.

why were the tax cuts passed? you speak of coming out of recession, what other theory is there about how government can help?

[hater]

example please.

My point is Sarah Palin is ignorant on all subjects not just history. Google up Palin quotes if you need examples.


He has not stated it the way you're suggesting. He continues to say a tax cut for 95% of people. It's a welfare check for a large percentage. It's cool that you believe that's a good thing. Mr. Obama shouldn't lie about what he really means.

He has not stated is the way you are suggesting. Yes it's a good thig. He did not lie.


I voted for Bill Clinton so you're not going to get me on women.

fuck Bill Clinton.


However, felons, terrorist and racist do bother me.

That defines the hardcore republican voters this year.



get real. try again.

translation: I have no response to that.

when did we default on our loans?

biggest economic disaster since great depression. it's already here. wake up

[2centsworth]

So are you unbiased 2cents? What are the final five reasons against McCain?

what are you talking about? If you have been a member of this board longer than a few days my opinion of McCain and Palin are clear. However, we must vote for someone. I have voted in 6 presidential elections and this one has by far been the most difficult.

[Shastafarian]

what are you talking about? If you have been a member of this board longer than a few days my opinion of McCain and Palin are clear. However, we must vote for someone.

Why did you start a thread about Obama entitled "My Five Final Reasons Against Obama/Biden"? McCain didn't get such a concise list of ideas.

[Bartleby]

you're wrong on a few fronts.

03 cuts didn't happen in 01.

why were the tax cuts passed? you speak of coming out of recession, what other theory is there about how government can help?

Were there cuts in 01? Yes, 1.35 trillion dollars worth. Federal revenues declined steadily after this until 04.

[LnGrrrR]

:lmao

because Palin is such a history buff

The Vice President runs the Senate! Of course, THAT'S an excusable gaffe... lmao

[2centsworth]

My point is Sarah Palin is ignorant on all subjects not just history. Google up Palin quotes if you need examples.

you're the one making the claims, so you should support them.




He has not stated is the way you are suggesting. Yes it's a good thig. He did not lie. so how does he give 95% tax cuts when 40% don't pay income taxes.




fuck Bill Clinton. so adultery is an offense and should be considered when voting for president?





That defines the hardcore republican voters this year.
let me guess, you're 18 years old?





translation: I have no response to that. for childishness, no.




biggest economic disaster since great depression. it's already here. wake up you know a lot about history too.:lol

[ratm1221]

too much regulation isn't good, but neither is too little. I'm for discussing regulation and in fact that's what government is for.

Well, then I guess we agree. :king

[2centsworth]

Were there cuts in 01? Yes, 1.35 trillion dollars worth. Federal revenues declined steadily after this until 04.

the Bush Tax cuts that is at the heart of the discussion occurred in '03. That's when the top 5% saw the tax cut. As far as tax cuts in '01, President Bush was sworn in in '01, and then 9/11, so I don't know what you're talking about.

[2centsworth]

Well, then I guess we agree. :king

:toast

[Bartleby]

the Bush Tax cuts that is at the heart of the discussion occurred in '03. That's when the top 5% saw the tax cut. As far as tax cuts in '01, President Bush was sworn in in '01, and then 9/11, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Apparently your history is a little rusty.

The 01 tax cuts were one of the first priorities of the Bush administration.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/06/07/bush.taxes/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Growth_and_Tax_Relief_Reconciliation_Act_ of_2001

[2centsworth]

Why did you start a thread about Obama entitled "My Five Final Reasons Against Obama/Biden"? McCain didn't get such a concise list of ideas.

I'm voting for McCain, because of this list. McCain is not going to win, so my only reason behind the thread is to vent. Nowhere did I make a pledge to criticize both equally.

[2centsworth]

Apparently your history is a little rusty.

The 01 tax cuts were one of the first priorities of the Bush administration.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/06/07/bush.taxes/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Growth_and_Tax_Relief_Reconciliation_Act_ of_2001

That was a return of the tax surplus and is a distraction about the heart of this argument which is the economic growth and jobs act.

stay focused. do tax cuts stimulate growth?

[hater]

you're the one making the claims, so you should support them.
if you need proof that Palin is ignorant on most subjects, then you are in a sadder state than I thought.


so how does he give 95% tax cuts when 40% don't pay income taxes.
95% of Americans who PAY TAXES and not 95% of ALL Americans. You can't cut taxes on persons who make too little to pay taxes or have no income at all. a little logic wouldn't hurt.



so adultery is an offense and should be considered when voting for president?
no, should his wife not being proud of her country be?


let me guess, you're 18 years old?
wrong again.

[2centsworth]

if you need proof that Palin is ignorant on most subjects, then you are in a sadder state than I thought.

you're putting words in my mouth. I'm still waiting for you to support your argument though. btw, just in case you forgot, you stated she doesn't know her history.




95% of Americans who PAY TAXES and not 95% of ALL Americans. You can't cut taxes on persons who make too little to pay taxes or have no income at all. use logic. sounds like you just used a little logic. now got revisit Obama's rhetoric.



no, should his wife not being proud of her country be? if he had another woman or she had another man, I could care less. However, not being able to appreciate this country is cause for concern.



wrong again. sarcasm

[Bartleby]

That was a return of the tax surplus and is a distraction about the heart of this argument which is the economic growth and jobs act.

stay focused. do tax cuts stimulate growth?

Sure they can. My point is that they're not the magic wand you seem to think they are. I mentioned the 01 tax cuts to illustrate this point. I'm still amazed you didn't have a clue about a signature piece of legislation during Bush's first year in office. Please try to keep up.

[hater]

you're putting words in my mouth. I'm still waiting for you to support your argument though. btw, just in case you forgot, you stated she doesn't know her history.
wrong I stated she doesn't know most subject including history. if you beleive Palin knows history more than Obama or Biden then you are in a sadder state than I thought in my previous post.


if he had another woman or she had another man, I could care less. However, not being able to appreciate this country is cause for concern.
IT WAS HIS WIFE.

[2centsworth]

Sure they can. My point is that they're not the magic wand you seem to think they are. I mentioned the 01 tax cuts to illustrate this point.

the rationale behind the 01 tax cut was a return of the overpayment in taxes. You're comparing apples and oranges.



I'm still amazed you didn't have a clue about a signature piece of legislation during Bush's first year in office. Please try to keep up.

pre-911 and I have already explained it to you. To use that piece of legislation is intellectually dishonest IMO, because the question is how to grow this economy. btw, after 911 and all of the corporate scandels why didn't the government increase taxes? are you suggesting that they should have increased taxes?

[2centsworth]

wrong I stated she doesn't know most subject including history. if you beleive Palin knows history more than Obama or Biden then you are in a sadder state than I thought in my previous post. History was the point. I don't care if she doesn't know about the ambiguous "Bush Doctrine". Biden is one of the dumbest guys in congress and i would take that bet.

I would say McCain's knowledge of history would put Obama to shame.





IT WAS HIS WIFE. that was 20% of the point. I mentioned a lot more than his wife being unpatriotic.

[hater]

History was the point. I don't care if she doesn't know about the ambiguous "Bush Doctrine".
Bush Doctrine? I am talking about economics, foreign policy, world and national events. you know, things that are necessary to run the country... :rolleyes


I would say McCain's knowledge of history would put Obama to shame.
as 2centworth would say, prove it.

I could make a guess that Obama's knowledge of economics would put Mcain to shame. And guess which one is more important for the job at hand?


that was 20% of the point. I mentioned a lot more than his wife being unpatriotic.
so you are taking 20% of your point back?

[Bartleby]

the rationale behind the 01 tax cut was a return of the overpayment in taxes. You're comparing apples and oranges.


What does the rationale have to do with it? Federal revenue went down after the 01 tax cuts. Ergo, tax cuts do not always necessarily lead to increased federal revenue. What's so hard to understand about that?



pre-911 and I have already explained it to you. To use that piece of legislation is intellectually dishonest IMO, because the question is how to grow this economy. btw, after 911 and all of the corporate scandels why didn't the government increase taxes? are you suggesting that they should have increased taxes?

I don't know where to start. You aren't even making sense.

But since you mentioned it, intellectual dishonesty is starting a thread bitching about Biden's lack of historical knowledge when the VP on the GOP ticket may be the most intellectually and historically clueless person to run for that office in American history (with the possible exception of Dan Quayle).

[SnakeBoy]

You forgot number 6 - the sexist attitude of homeboy & his followers where all women who don't serve him are defined as either a bitch or a dumb bitch.

[2centsworth]

Bush Doctrine? I am talking about economics, foreign policy, world and national events. you know, things that are necessary to run the country... :rolleyes you disagree with her politically, big surprise. that's not evidence though.



as 2centworth would say, prove it. read first post.



I could make a guess that Obama's knowledge of economics would put Mcain to shame. And guess which one is more important for the job at hand? both have little knowledge, but Obama's is more dangerous.



so you are taking 20% of your point back? nah, because I was talking about being unpatriotic. If you want to say McCain is a womanizer, sobeit.

[hater]

you disagree with her politically, big surprise. that's not evidence though.

disagree? I am apalled at her ignorance on the subjects


both have little knowledge, but Obama's is more dangerous.
proove it.


nah, because I was talking about being unpatriotic. If you want to say McCain is a womanizer, sobeit.
his wife is unpatriotic, not Obama.

[2centsworth]

What does the rationale have to do with it? Federal revenue went down after the 01 tax cuts. Ergo, tax cuts do not always necessarily lead to increased federal revenue. What's so hard to understand about that? They were rebates! but feel free to explain to me how 911, enron and a like had nothing to do with that.





I don't know where to start. You aren't even making sense.

But since you mentioned it, intellectual dishonesty is starting a thread bitching about Biden's lack of historical knowledge when the VP on the GOP ticket may be the most intellectually and historically clueless person to run for that office in American history (with the possible exception of Dan Quayle).

example of something as grotesque as Biden not knowing who the president was during the 1929 crash. only one of the most important dates in history. That's like not knowing which president sent us to war against vietnam.

[Shastafarian]

example of something as grotesque as Biden not knowing who the president was during the 1929 crash. only one of the most important dates in history. That's like not knowing which president sent us to war against vietnam.

She couldn't think of a Supreme Court Case besides Roe V. Wade she disagreed with.
She has no idea what the Vice President's duties are concerning presiding over the Senate.
She thinks being able to see Russia from Alaska = foreign policy experience.
She has no idea what the first amendment means.

[2centsworth]

disagree? I am apalled at her ignorance on the subjects

this will be the end of this childishness. Please provide an example so we can discuss.


proove it. I supported my argument that Obama knows little about history and provided zero examples of McCain gaffes. Proved!



his wife is unpatriotic, not Obama. hence, the totality of the point. I question his judgements (rev wright, rezco, raines, etc...)

[Shastafarian]

this will be the end of this childishness. Please provide an example so we can discuss.


proove it. I supported my argument that Obama knows little about history and provided zero examples of McCain gaffes. Proved!

hence, the totality of the point. I question his judgements (rev wright, rezco, raines, etc...)

Knows little about history? Are you for real?

[hater]

this will be the end of this childishness. Please provide an example so we can discuss.


1. "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip)

2. "Well, let's see. There's -- of course -- in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

3. "All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

4. "They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008

:lmao

5. "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" --Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co," July 31, 2008 (Watch video clip)

:lol

[2centsworth]

Knows little about history? Are you for real?

overstated. he needs improvement. the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor:lmao

[PixelPusher]

1. "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip)

2. "Well, let's see. There's -- of course -- in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

3. "All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

4. "They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008

:lmao

5. "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" --Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co," July 31, 2008 (Watch video clip)

:lol
I thought her quote about media criticism endangering her 1st Amendment Right to free speech was, um, pretty "incredible".

[washingtonwizard]

1. "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip)

2. "Well, let's see. There's -- of course -- in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

3. "All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

4. "They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008

:lmao

5. "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" --Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co," July 31, 2008 (Watch video clip)

:lol

holy mother of God :wow :wow

[2centsworth]

1. "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip)

2. "Well, let's see. There's -- of course -- in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

3. "All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

4. "They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008

:lmao

5. "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" --Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co," July 31, 2008 (Watch video clip)

:lol

I'll wait for shasta to respond for me:lol:lol


btw shasta, I'll get back to you later if you stick around after the election.

[Shastafarian]

I'll wait for shasta to respond for me:lol:lol


btw shasta, I'll get back to you later if you stick around after the election.

Why wouldn't I stick around? I'm not whottt.

[PixelPusher]

She's whiffed a number of times on the question of what exactly the job of a Vice President is.
l40nrw3V3GA

I loved Bill Maher's take: "I would never accuse President Bush of being a smart man, but at least on his first day on the job he knew enough to show up to the right building."

[TheMadHatter]

Watching 2cents get his ass owned all over this thread is priceless. I almost feel bad for the guy, it's like beating up on the retarded midget.

[bobbyjoe]

please answer one question. how come federal tax revenues increased and reached record highs after the tax cut?

Federal Tax revenues will reach record highs under Obama or McCain. And then other the next President.

The long term trend of the US economy is upwards. It's the best economy in the world and bounces back from recessions and even the occasional depression and resumes it's upwards trend. As a result, the federal tax base should always be going up over time.

To the Bush cuts at hand, Federal Revenue in 2008 will come in around $2.6 Trillion compared to the $2.0 Trillion it was in 2001 when the Bush tax cuts started.

That's a growth rate of about 4% per annum. Not too bad, but for comparison's sake the growth rate was higher in the 1990's in federal revenue was higher than it was post Bush Tax cuts. This was despite taxes going UP across the board in the 90's under Clinton.

There are a host of factors as to why federal revenues have gone up over post 2001. Probably the #1 reason was the very low interest rates that Greenspan pushed through from 02-04 which lasted too long. This spurred economic investment and increased the tax base as corporations grew and enjoyed good times and unemployment fell.

Probably #2 was the housing bubble. Consumer spending soared over the past few years due to the housing bubble and people lived and spent beyond their means. This helped the tax base. As we all know, the gains in the economy from this artificial bubble were temporary and painful when the bubble burst.

The tax cuts did have some impact, but tax cuts are only one variable in the equation.

At the end of the day, technological innovation and worker productivity are the biggest drivers of the economy.

I have no problems with tax cuts but it's fiscally irresponsible and fiscally liberal to cut taxes and simultaneously increase spending and rely on this theory that the economic growth that results as a direct result of the tax cuts will finance everything and lead to a balanced or close to balanced budget. The reason is that there are too many other economic variables which can positively or negatively affect projected federal tax revenue.

Bush was simply a fiscal liberal. The rate of spending growth (8% per annum) under his admin nearly doubled the rate of revenue growth (4% per annum). That's a fiasco. Do you disagree?

Is there a true fiscal conservative out there these days?

[timvp]

2centsworth, your thread was flawed from the beginning. You must not have received the memo that Obama is a flawless deity and He should never be questioned. We must be thankful that His Majesty was considerate enough to lead us. If not for Him, we would plunge into an unimaginable hole from which humanity would never recover. Either repent and join those who have seen the light and realize He is much more than a politician or, as eloquently suggested in this thread, kill yourself.

Thank you.

[TheMadHatter]

2centsworth, your thread was flawed from the beginning. You must not have received the memo that Obama is a flawless deity and He should never be questioned. We must be thankful that His Majesty was considerate enough to lead us. If not for Him, we would plunge into an unimaginable hole from which humanity would never recover. Either repent and join those who have seen the light and realize He is much more than a politician or, as eloquently suggested in this thread, kill yourself.

Thank you.

Stop. Just stop with the exaggerations drama queen.

There are legitimate gripes to be made about Obama and Biden. I doubt many Obama supporters would care if you wanted to start a thread criticizing his tax policies or foreign policies. There is legitimate opposition there that is worthy of debate.

But for some ignorant redneck to come here and trash Biden for fumbling the date of the Stock Market crash while he votes for PALIN who can't even tell America what a Vice President actually does is the HEIGHT of stupidity.

[timvp]

Stop. Just stop with the exaggerations drama queen.

There are legitimate gripes to be made about Obama and Biden. I doubt many Obama supporters would care if you wanted to start a thread criticizing his tax policies or foreign policies. There is legitimate opposition there that is worthy of debate.

But for some ignorant redneck to come here and trash Biden for fumbling the date of the Stock Market crash while he votes for PALIN who can't even tell America what a Vice President actually does is the HEIGHT of stupidity.Settle down. Obama is going to win. Step away from the font size upgrader.

[Cry Havoc]

2centsworth, your thread was flawed from the beginning. You must not have received the memo that Obama is a flawless deity and He should never be questioned. We must be thankful that His Majesty was considerate enough to lead us. If not for Him, we would plunge into an unimaginable hole from which humanity would never recover. Either repent and join those who have seen the light and realize He is much more than a politician or, as eloquently suggested in this thread, kill yourself.

Thank you.

:rolleyes

Defending Obama = deity worship, I suppose.

Melodramatics do not serve you well, Timvp.

[timvp]

:rolleyes

Defending Obama = deity worship, I suppose.

Melodramatics do not serve you well, Timvp.:lol

Apparently a moment of lightheartedness doesn't serve Obama backers well, either.

Relax. This ish is in the bag.

[101A]

BTW, I think a lot of people jumped the gun on 2cents here.

He is approaching the oncoming Obama presidency in the proper context.

Objectively. Its time to be critical again, ladies and gentlemen.

My opinion, anyway.

The loyal opposition.

Reporting for duty.

[Shastafarian]

Stop. Just stop with the exaggerations drama queen.

There are legitimate gripes to be made about Obama and Biden. I doubt many Obama supporters would care if you wanted to start a thread criticizing his tax policies or foreign policies. There is legitimate opposition there that is worthy of debate.

But for some ignorant redneck to come here and trash Biden for fumbling the date of the Stock Market crash while he votes for PALIN who can't even tell America what a Vice President actually does is the HEIGHT of stupidity.


Settle down. Obama is going to win. Step away from the font size upgrader.

Is this the "jumpy" you were talking about?

[101A]

Oh.

Holy.

Fucking.

Shit:

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God help us.

[DarkReign]

Jesus...

"I wont have to worry about putting gas in my car, I wont have to worry about paying my mortgage. You know, if I help him, he'll help me."

Rude awakening in 5....4....3....2.....1......

[DarkReign]

You know, no matter what scienctific advances are achieved in the coming years, one adage will always be true.

You cant fix stupid.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I'm voting for McCain, because of this list. McCain is not going to win, so my only reason behind the thread is to vent. Nowhere did I make a pledge to criticize both equally.

I thought he lost your vote because of the bailout

[lefty]

Obama is going to be the next president, so this is just getting stuff off my chest.

5. I'm astonished by their lack of knowledge of history.

Biden not knowing Hoover was President during the Crash of 1929 is despicable. Then making up a story that Roosevelt got on Television.... Unacceptable ignorance IMO.

Barack and his "bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor" and Americans liberated Aushwitz.

People who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

4. The 95% of people will get tax cuts lie. Tell it like it is Barack. More han 40% of people will receive a welfare check. It's redistribution, why lie?

3. throwing his mother under the bus. Michele Obama not being proud of her country. Rezco, Wright, Ayers, etc...

2. His radical views on Abortion. Dude called babies punishment.

1. Entitlements are going to bankrupt this country and Obama is going to add fuel to that flame.


1. Mc Cain is a fucking redneck
2. Palin is err... not smart.

That's only 2 reasons.

And that's enough

[2centsworth]

I thought he lost your vote because of the bailout

he did at the time. I'm one of those schmos that flip flopped all over the place. my hardest election ever.

signed,

Redneck:lol

[Oh, Gee!!]

I'm one of those schmos that flip flopped all over the place.

so then McCain would be an obvious choice for you. :toast

[Dr. Gonzo]

2. His radical views on Abortion. Dude called babies punishment.

Explain to me how they aren't a punishment.

[Trainwreck2100]

Explain to me how they aren't a punishment.

our species kinda needs them to you know live on

[Dr. Gonzo]

Yeah but we have to take care of them and crap. Fuck all that.

[implacable44]

"Radical" views on abortion, like the views that the majority of women take to have freedom of their own bodies?

or radical as in his vote regarding partial birth abortions ?

and the exact quote was " I don't want them punished with a baby" - and he was referring to his daughters and i have the " I don't want them punished with a baby" as my ringtone. along with a few other Obama gems -- like his grandpa liberating Auschwitz... the number of states in the union... etc..

[shelshor]

...
People who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.
...

When has a nation selecting a charismatic demagogue as head of state ever ended well?