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RandomGuy
11-05-2008, 04:33 AM
TOKYO – In city squares and living rooms, ballrooms and villages, the citizens of the world cheered the election of Barack Obama as U.S. president, ratcheting up hopes that America's first black commander in chief would herald a more balanced, less confrontational America.

People crowded before TVs or listened to blaring radios for the latest updates. In Sydney, Australians filled a hotel ballroom. In Rio, Brazilians partied on the beach. In the town of Obama, in Japan, dancers cheered in delight when their namesake's victory was declared.

People the world over — many of them in countries where the idea of a minority being elected leader is unthinkable — expressed amazement and satisfaction that the United States could overcome centuries of racial strife and elect an African-American — and one with Hussein as a middle name — as president.

"What an inspiration. He is the first truly global U.S. president the world has ever had," said Pracha Kanjananont, a 29-year-old Thai sitting at a Starbuck's in Bangkok. "He had an Asian childhood, African parentage and has a Middle Eastern name. He is a truly global president."

In an interconnected world where people in its farthest reaches could monitor the presidential race blow-by-blow, many observers echoed Obama's own campaign mantra as they struggled to put into words their sense that his election marked an important turning point.

"I really think this is going to change the world," gushed Akihiko Mukohama, 34, the lead singer of a band that traveled to Obama, Japan, to perform — wearing an "I Love Obama" T-shirt — at a promotional event for the president-elect.

The magnitude and emotion of the world reaction illustrated the international character of the U.S. presidency. Many look to Washington as the place where the global issues of war and peace, prosperity or crisis, are decided.

"This is an enormous outcome for all of us," said John Wood, the former New Zealand ambassador to the U.S. "We have to hope and pray that President Obama can move forward in ways which are constructive and beneficial to all of us."

Hopes were also high among those critical of President George W. Bush's policies that an Obama victory would herald a more inclusive, internationally cooperative U.S. approach. Many cited the Iraq war as the type of blunder Obama was unlikely to repeat.

At a party in Rio de Janeiro where Brazilians and Americans watched results come in, 33-year-old music producer Zanna said an Obama win would show that "Americans have learned something from the bad experiences of the Bush administration and that they choose well — that they choose Obama."

Indeed, even as they raised expectations, many U.S.-watchers were quick to point out that Obama would have to confront enormous problems once in office: wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, tenacious difficulties in the Middle East and North Korea, a world economy in turmoil.

Europe, where Obama is overwhelmingly popular, is one region that looked eagerly to an Obama administration for a revival in warm relations after the Bush government's chilly rift with the continent over the Iraq war.

"At a time when we have to confront immense challenges together, your election raises great hopes in France, in Europe and in the rest of the world," French President Nicolas Sarkozy said in a congratulations letter to Obama.

Skepticism, however, was high in the Muslim world. The Bush administration alienated those in the Middle East by mistreating prisoners at its detention center for terrorism suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and inmates at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison — human rights violations also condemned worldwide.

Some Iraqis, who have suffered through five years of a war ignited by the United States and its allies, said they would believe positive change when they saw it.

"Obama's victory will do nothing for the Iraqi issue nor for the Palestinian issue," said Muneer Jamal, a Baghdad resident. "I think all the promises Obama made during the campaign will remain mere promises."

In Pakistan, a country vital to the U.S.-led war on the al-Qaida terrorist network and neighbor to Afghanistan, many hoped Obama would bring some respite from rising militant violence that many blame on Bush.

Still, Mohammed Arshad, a 28-year-old schoolteacher in the capital, Islamabad, doubted Obama's ability to change U.S. foreign policy dramatically.

"It is true that Bush gave America a very bad name. He has become a symbol of hate. But I don't think the change of face will suddenly make any big difference," he said.

Many expressed hopes that Obama would restore the American economic leadership they said was needed for the world to reverse a punishing financial meltdown. Some in Asia, a region heavily dependent on exports to the U.S. market, worried the Democrat would try to protect American producers at their expense.

"The one thing that I don't approve of Obama is that he is an economic protectionist. He's in favor of protected economies, instead of free markets," said university student Yu Fangjing, 20, in Hong Kong. "It's not good for the world."

Still, many around the world found Obama's international roots — his father was Kenyan, and he lived four years in Indonesia as a child — compelling and attractive.

Kenya's President Mwai Kibaki declared a public holiday on Thursday in honor of Obama's election victory, and people across Africa stayed up all night or woke before dawn Wednesday to watch the U.S. election results roll in.

"He's in!" said Rachel Ndimu, 23, a business student who joined hundreds of others at the residence of the U.S. ambassador in Nairobi. "I think this is awesome, and the whole world is backing him."

In Jakarta, hundreds of students at his former elementary school gathered around a television set to watch as results came in, erupting in cheers when he was declared winner and then pouring into the courtyard where they hugged each other and danced in the rain.

"We're so proud!" Alsya Nadin, a spunky 10-year-old in pink-framed glasses, said as her classmates chanted "Obama! Obama!"

RandomGuy
11-05-2008, 04:34 AM
Europe, where Obama is overwhelmingly popular, is one region that looked eagerly to an Obama administration for a revival in warm relations after the Bush government's chilly rift with the continent over the Iraq war.

Now we will see if we can get a few more combat brigades from NATO for Afghanistan.

Here's hoping that pans out.

pooh
11-05-2008, 06:10 AM
A time to mourn....

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jochhejaam
11-05-2008, 06:52 AM
We are definitely in need of some positive PR.

hater
11-05-2008, 08:38 AM
A time to mourn....

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for the fat corporate pigs?

Fucking hell yeah!

Good Riddance!

SpursFanFirst
11-05-2008, 08:50 AM
Gotta tell ya...
I think it scares me that the rest of the world is cheering on the President-elect.

Not much we can do about it now, but ride out the storm. I hope I'm off-base with my fears.

hater
11-05-2008, 08:52 AM
Gotta tell ya...
I think it scares me that the rest of the world is cheering on the President-elect.

Not much we can do about it now, but ride out the storm. I hope I'm off-base with my fears.

that's because the current administration has been brain washing you for 8 straight years. There is nothing to be scared of when the world loves you. Ask Mohammed Ali.

MaNuMaNiAc
11-05-2008, 09:32 AM
Gotta tell ya...
I think it scares me that the rest of the world is cheering on the President-elect.

Not much we can do about it now, but ride out the storm. I hope I'm off-base with my fears.

yeah, well, for the past 8 years, this sort of attitude scared the rest of the world... so I guess things even out.

Seriously, you're scared the rest of the world is rooting for you? What are you? Paranoid?

ElNono
11-05-2008, 09:34 AM
For Many Abroad, an Ideal Renewed
By ETHAN BRONNER
Published: November 5, 2008

GAZA — From far away, this is how it looks: There is a country out there where tens of millions of white Christians, voting freely, select as their leader a black man of modest origin, the son of a Muslim. There is a place on Earth — call it America — where such a thing happens.

Even where the United States is held in special contempt, like here in this benighted Palestinian coastal strip, the “glorious epic of Barack Obama,” as the leftist French editor Jean Daniel calls it, makes America — the idea as much as the actual place — stand again, perhaps only fleetingly, for limitless possibility.

“It allows us all to dream a little,” said Oswaldo Calvo, 58, a Venezuelan political activist in Caracas, in a comment echoed to correspondents of The New York Times on four continents in the days leading up to the election.

Tristram Hunt, a British historian, put it this way: Mr. Obama “brings the narrative that everyone wants to return to — that America is the land of extraordinary opportunity and possibility, where miracles happen.”

But wonder is almost overwhelmed by relief. Mr. Obama’s election offers most non-Americans a sense that the imperial power capable of doing such good and such harm — a country that, they complain, preached justice but tortured its captives, launched a disastrous war in Iraq, turned its back on the environment and greedily dragged the world into economic chaos — saw the errors of its ways over the past eight years and shifted course.

They say the country that weakened democratic forces abroad through a tireless but often ineffective campaign for democracy — dismissing results it found unsavory, cutting deals with dictators it needed as allies in its other battles — was now shining a transformative beacon with its own democratic exercise.

It would be hard to overstate how fervently vast stretches of the globe wanted the election to turn out as it did to repudiate the Bush administration and its policies. Poll after poll in country after country showed only a few — Israel, Georgia, the Philippines — favoring a victory for Senator John McCain.

“Since Bush came to power it’s all bam, bam, bam on the Arabs,” asserted Fathi Abdel Hamid, 40, as he sat in a Cairo coffee house.

The world’s view of an Obama presidency presents a paradox. His election embodies what many consider unique about the United States — yet America’s sense of its own specialness, of its destiny and mission, has driven it astray, they say. They want Mr. Obama, the beneficiary and exemplar of American exceptionalism, to act like everyone else, only better, to shift American policy and somehow to project both humility and leadership.

And there are others who fear that Mr. Obama will be soft in a hard-edged world where what is required is a clear line in the sand to fanatics, aggressors and bullies. Israelis worry that he will talk to Iran rather than stop it from developing nuclear weapons; Georgians worry that he will not grasp how to handle Russia.

An Obama presidency, they say, risks appeasement. It will “reassure Europeans of their defects,” lamented Giuliano Ferrara, editor of the Italian right-wing daily Il Foglio.

Such contradictory demands and expectations may reflect, in part, the unusual makeup of a man of mixed race and origin whose life and upbringing have touched several continents.

“People feel he is a part of them because he has this multiracial, multiethnic and multinational dimension,” said Philippe Sands, a British international lawyer and author who travels frequently, adding that people find some thread of their own hopes and ideals in Mr. Obama. “He represents, for people in so many different communities and cultures, a personal connection. There is an immigrant component and a minority component.”

Francis Nyamnjoh, a Cameroonian novelist and social scientist, said he saw Mr. Obama less as a black man than “as a successful negotiator of identity margins.”

His ability to inhabit so many categories mirrors the African experience. Mr. Nyamnjoh said that for America to choose as its citizen in chief such a skillful straddler of global identities could not help but transform the nation’s image, making it once again the screen upon which the hopes and ambitions of the world are projected.

Shi Yinhong, a professor of international relations at the People’s University of China, said Mr. Obama’s background, particularly his upbringing in Indonesia, made him suited to understanding the problems facing the world’s poorer nations.

He and others say they hope the next American president will see their place more firmly within the community of nations, engaging in what Jairam Ramesh, junior commerce minister in the Indian government, called “genuine multilateralism and not in muscular unilateralism.”

Assuming Mr. Obama does play by international rules more fully, as he has promised, can his government live up to all the expectations?

“We have so many hopes and wishes that he will never be able to fulfill them,” said Susanne Grieshaber, 40, an art adviser in Berlin who was one of 200,000 Germans to attend a speech by Mr. Obama there in July. She cited action to protect the environment, reducing the use of force and helping the less fortunate. In essence, she wants Mr. Obama to make his country more like hers. But she is sober. “I’m preparing myself for the fact that peace and happiness are not going to suddenly break out,” she said.

Many in less developed countries — especially in the Arab world — agree that Mr. Obama will not carry out their wishes regarding American policy toward Israel and much else, and so they shrug off the results as ultimately making little difference.

“We will be optimistic for two months but that’s it,” predicted Huda Naim, 38, a member of the Hamas parliament here who said her 15-year-old son had watched Mr. Obama’s rise with rapt attention.

But some remain darkly suspicious of the election itself. They doubted that Mr. Obama could be nominated or elected. Now they doubt that he will govern. The skeptics say they believe that American policy is deeply institutionalized and that if Mr. Obama tries to shift it, “they” — the media, the corporate robber barons, the hidden powers — will box him in or even kill him.

“I am afraid for him,” said Alberto Müller Rojas, a retired Venezuelan Army general and the vice president of President Hugo Chávez’s Unified Socialist Party. “The pressures he will face from certain sectors of society, especially from white Anglo-Saxon Protestants, will be enormous.”

Part of that fear stems from genuine if distant affection.

“He has charisma, he’s good-looking, he’s very smart, he’s young and he knows how to make people like him, to the point that when he went to bow down to the Israelis, people here still made excuses for him,” said Nawara Negm, an Egyptian writer and blogger.

There is another paradox about the world’s view of the election of Mr. Obama: many who are quick to condemn the United States for its racist past and now congratulate it for a milestone fail to acknowledge the same problem in their own societies, and so do not see how this election could offer them any lessons about themselves.

In Russia, for example, where Soviet leaders used to respond to any American criticism of human rights violation with “But you hang Negroes,” analysts note that the election of Mr. Obama removes a stain. But they speak of it without reference to their own treatment of ethnic minorities.

“Definitely, this will improve America’s image in Russia,” said Sergey M. Rogov, director of the Institute for U.S.A. and Canada Studies in Moscow. “There was this perception before of widespread racism in America, deeply rooted racism.”

In Nigeria, a vast, populous and diverse collection of states, Reuben Abati, an influential columnist, has written, “Nigerians love good things in other lands, even if they are not making any effort to reproduce the same at home,” adding, “If Obama had been a Nigerian, his race, color and age would have been an intractable problem.”

So foreigners are watching closely, hoping that despite what they consider the hypocrisies and inconsistencies, the nation they once imagined would stand as a model for the future will, with greater sensitivity and less force, help solve the world’s problems.

There is a risk, however, to all the extraordinary international attention paid to this most international of American politicians: Mr. Obama’s focus will almost certainly be on the reeling domestic economy, housing and health care. Will he be able even to lift his head and gaze abroad to all those with such high expectations?

LINK (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/us/politics/05global.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin)

smeagol
11-05-2008, 09:37 AM
A time to mourn....

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This is a direct result of 8 years of the crappiest foreign policy America has ever put forth, courtesy of W.

The World is rejoicing, together with the majority of Americans.

Suck on it!

smeagol
11-05-2008, 09:38 AM
Gotta tell ya...
I think it scares me that the rest of the world is cheering on the President-elect.

Not much we can do about it now, but ride out the storm. I hope I'm off-base with my fears.

Stupidest quote of the day . . .

101A
11-05-2008, 09:39 AM
Got this note from a friend in Germany this morning:


Hi there,
all over Germany, also in Goettingen many people are celebrating Obama's election. This is amazing indeed!

C***** and I'd love to talk to you about the elections and life in general after having had smoked brisket and a good Pennsylvania beer in your hot tub :) We had such a great time with you !!!

Big hello to everybody,
love,
U***

And yes, props to me, I did impress actual honest-to-God Germans with my beer selection. :toast

Buddy Holly
11-05-2008, 09:42 AM
LOL at stupid people being scared that almost every person outside of America are happy about who America elected.

THAT'S A GOOOOOD THING.

ElNono
11-05-2008, 09:51 AM
This is a direct result of 8 years of the crappiest foreign policy America has ever put forth, courtesy of W.

The World is rejoicing, together with the majority of Americans.

Suck on it!

+1

SnakeBoy
11-06-2008, 10:32 AM
“Definitely, this will improve America’s image in Russia,” said Sergey M. Rogov, director of the Institute for U.S.A. and Canada Studies in Moscow. “There was this perception before of widespread racism in America, deeply rooted racism.”

That Rogov dude sounds smart.



Russia greets Obama with first foreign policy test
Posted 4 hours 28 minutes ago


Dmitry Medvedev blamed America for the war in Georgia and the global financial crisis. (AFP: Joel Saget)
A few weeks ago Joe Biden, Barak Obama's running mate, predicted that an Obama administration would face a major foreign policy test within months.

That test has come within a day of the election - from Russia.

In his first state of the nation address, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, launched into a scathing criticism of US foreign policy, describing it as "selfish".

He harshly criticised the United States, blaming America for the war in Georgia and the global financial crisis.

Russian-US relations are at their frostiest since the Cold War and Mr Medvedev announced a plan to counter America's anti-missile system based in part in Eastern Europe.

Russia has now pledged to electronically jam the US missile shield and it has scrapped plans to stand down three missile regiments.

And in an extremely provocative move, the Russian President says he will deploy short range missiles in the country's Baltic Sea territory between NATO members Poland and Lithuania.

"In order to neutralise, if needs be, the US missile defence system, the Iskander missile system will be deployed in the Kaliningrad region. Naturally we envisage that the resources of the Russian navy will be used for this purpose as well," Mr Medvedev said.

But he insists it is not an anti-American policy and has called on Mr Obama to take the initiative in improving ties between the two countries.

"I would like to stress we have no problems with the American people. We don't have innate anti-Americanism and we hope that our partners, the new US administration, will make a choice in favour of fully-fledged relations with Russia," Mr Medvedev said.

The director of the Russian Centre at St Antony's College at Oxford University, Dr Alex Pravda, says it was no accident that Mr Medvedev made his speech a day after the US election.

"I think the time was not accidental as the Russians would say," he said.

"It hits both the American public in terms of not supporting any more measures of the kind they regard as offensive under the old lame duck administration, but mainly positions Russia in terms of the new administration."

Dr Pravda describes Mr Medvedev's announcement about deploying missiles between Poland and Lithuania as an "offence stance tactic".

"He is sending a message that really America has to reconsider expanding facilities in Europe. That Russia won't tolerate this without making equally offensive responses and is determined to go forward with this," he said.

"But I think it is with an aim to look at engaging and negotiating with a new American administration, so this is a typically sort of tough Russian tactic to start negotiating on the ground about these missile deployments and military deployments generally in Europe."

Dr Pravda says Russia wants "attention" and a "degree of respect" from the new US president.

"It wants engagement on both military issues, where Russia has an in-built advantage. This is why it is pushing the military agenda," he said.

"That is the only agenda where the United States is likely to take Moscow seriously as a senior partner, as a senior great power.

"It wants to be included in international discussions on reforming the financial and economic system but it may well, this kind of hard language may well be counter-productive I think from Moscow's point of view.

"It is not the best way to do it but they tend to go for the tough stance rather than for the moderate one."

DarkReign
11-06-2008, 11:28 AM
Russians...

Should have permanently fucked them in '91.

romad_20
11-06-2008, 11:45 AM
yeah, well, for the past 8 years, this sort of attitude scared the rest of the world... so I guess things even out.

Seriously, you're scared the rest of the world is rooting for you? What are you? Paranoid?

I'm a little concerned that so many people are under the impression that everything is going to be turned around overnight. The attitude of some the people cheering Obama's election has gotten a little out of hand. It is a great day for African-Americans in this country that thought they'd never see the day, its a great day for the world who have lost their respect for the US, but there are some really fucked up things that have to be addressed and I hope people are not losing sight of that.

Obama's got a giant list of MAJOR problems to address and I hope the stress of that doesn't kill him, figuratively and literally. This man basically is being handed two wars, a giant deficit, energy independence, oh yeah and a turd called the American economy. He might serve two terms and not fix any of those issues. We need to scale back what our expectations are. Just my opinion.

romad_20
11-06-2008, 11:49 AM
Russians...

Should have permanently fucked them in '91.

No kidding. Have you seen who Obama is picking for the Russian ambassador?

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