Obama Cabinet

[Bartleby]

It looks like Rahm Emanuel is going to be the Chief of Staff. Who else do you think Obama will appoint to his cabinet?

Edit: I just noticed this could have gone in the Predictions thread. Please feel free to move it.

[romad_20]

It looks like Rahm Emanuel is going to be the Secretary of State. Who else do you think Obama will appoint to his cabinet?

Edit: I just noticed this could have gone in the Predictions thread. Please feel free to move it.

I thought he was going to be Chief of staff?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Friends and enemies agree that the key to Emanuel's success is his legendary intensity. There's the story about the time he sent a rotting fish to a pollster who had angered him. There's the story about how his right middle finger was blown off by a Syrian tank when he was in the Israeli army. And there's the story of how, the night after Clinton was elected, Emanuel was so angry at the president's enemies that he stood up at a celebratory dinner with colleagues from the campaign, grabbed a steak knife and began rattling off a list of betrayers, shouting "Dead! . . . Dead! . . . Dead!" and plunging the knife into the table after every name. "When he was done, the table looked like a lunar landscape," one campaign veteran recalls. "It was like something out of The Godfather. But that's Rahm for you."
far better temperament compared to mccain. far better.
:tu
so far the "across the aisle" rhetoric is keeping the course.

[CosmicCowboy]

Gee, what a surprise. A Chicago "machine" politician as chief of staff.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah right, like a Muslim would appoint a Jew to his cabinet.

[johnsmith]

I think Ludacris should be in there somewhere. His song is pretty catchy.

[balli]

Huffington Post is mumbling about RFK Jr. for EPA Chief. This day can't get better.

[johnsmith]

Huffington Post is mumbling about RFK Jr. for EPA Chief. This day can't get better.

It could if I were to possibly have sex with 19 year old twin college girls................but that would mean only I'd be having a better day.

[Bartleby]

I thought he was going to be Chief of staff?

Yeah, that's what I meant. This just isn't my day.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't realize Richard Clarke is only in his fifties. Maybe he's made enough money that he could be talked back into service.

[doobs]

(1) Chief of Staff isn't a cabinet level position--Rahm Emanuel needs to be nowhere near a cabinet post
(2) Obama will make some gesture to the Republicans, I'm guessing Sen. Hagel as SecDef; Bill Clinton did this with Bill Cohen
(3) I bet Bill Richardson gets State
(4) Jamie Gorlich, Eric Holder, or (gulp) John Edwards as Attorney General
(5) Homeland Security . . . I have no clue
(6) The other cabinet posts are pretty minor, so I don't care

[T Park]

Emmaunel, "Voted 98% of the time with the democrats" is "reaching across the aisle"???

:lol

OOOOOk

[TheTruth]

I bet Gates stays on as Obamas Sec Def. At least until there is a military pullout of Iraq.

[TheTruth]

Emmaunel, "Voted 98% of the time with the democrats" is "reaching across the aisle"???

:lol

OOOOOk

He's gonna be Chief of Staff. A glorified secretary. I wouldn't want him anywhere near a Cabinet position.

[T Park]

He's gonna be Chief of Staff. A glorified secretary. I wouldn't want him anywhere near a Cabinet position.


Neither would I.


I'm honestly hoping Obama follows up on his willing to govern from the middle.

If he governs from the middle and does not sway too far to the left, I think he might he successfull, and I sure as hell hope he is.

[ChumpDumper]

Emmaunel, "Voted 98% of the time with the democrats" is "reaching across the aisle"???

:lol

OOOOOkYou don't reach across the aisle for a chief of staff. That should probably be your most partisan hire.

[T Park]

You don't reach across the aisle for a chief of staff. That should probably be your most partisan hire.

Hes pretty far to the left though.

Partisan is one thing, but not THAt far to the left.

[ChumpDumper]

Depends on what you think his influence on policy will be. As I see it, he's being hired for his organizational ability and connections.

[Findog]

Depends on what you think his influence on policy will be. As I see it, he's being hired for his organizational ability and connections.

His job will be to keep Obama's Administration organized. He's a real SOB, but that's kind of person who you want as Chief of Staff.

[Obstructed_View]

Hes pretty far to the left though.

Partisan is one thing, but not THAt far to the left.

He's not left, he's just partisan. He's the right guy for the job, plus he's in good with Nancy P, and Obama's going to need a bulldog that can take her on.

[florige]

I'm REALLY hoping that Bill Richardson gets a nod somewhere in his cabinet. He was one of the first ones to come out and publicly support Obama during his bitter primary with Hillary. Edwards endorsed him after everything was said and done.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm REALLY hoping that Bill Richardson gets a nod somewhere in his cabinet. He was one of the first ones to come out and publicly support Obama during his bitter primary with Hillary. Edwards endorsed him after everything was said and done.

Richardson seems a shoe in for Secretary of State. I've read rumblings of Powell for Defense. Robert Gibbs seems like a Press Secretary natural but we'll see.

[florige]

Richardson seems a shoe in for Secretary of State. I've read rumblings of Powell for Defense. Robert Gibbs seems like a Press Secretary natural but we'll see.



:tu:tu Hell yeah! I'm just pissed that he cut his beard. That was so badass...:lol

[boutons_]

Powell said he won't be in Obama's WH.

[MannyIsGod]

Powell said he won't be in Obama's WH.

No he didn't.

[Nbadan]

The Sec. of Defense is gonna be an interesting pick...

[Das Texan]

Richardson seems a shoe in for Secretary of State. I've read rumblings of Powell for Defense. Robert Gibbs seems like a Press Secretary natural but we'll see.



I really do like Richardson.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Powell is damaged goods.

[101A]

Depends on what you think his influence on policy will be. As I see it, he's being hired for his organizational ability and connections.

I think you are on to something here.

[clambake]

Powell is damaged goods.

nope.

ashley todd is damaged goods.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

nope.

ashley todd is damaged goods.when i realize your "point" i'll respond to it. until then.....................

[clambake]

when i realize your "point" i'll respond to it. until then.....................

my first point is that you feel your characterization of powell is correct.

my next point is you didn't possess the common sense to sniff out the lie of "B" girl, which means you're not qualified to label powell.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

my first point is that you feel your characterization of powell is correct..he is. he presented to the people wmd's. if he wasn't sure or if he had doubts he should've stood up against it, figured it out, or told the administration to go to hell. he went through with it and now we're in iraq.


my next point is you didn't possess the common sense to sniff out the lie of "B" girl, which means you're not qualified to label powell.i guess you didn't read all of my posts there, but keep beating the horse.

[clambake]

he is. he presented to the people wmd's. if he wasn't sure or if he had doubts he should've stood up against it, figured it out, or told the administration to go to hell. he went through with it and now we're in iraq.
:lol it's all powell. he couldn't have stood in the way regardless.


i guess you didn't read all of my posts there, but keep beating the horse.
your first post was a major jump to conclusion. it's indicative of your leadership skills.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

:lol it's all powell. he couldn't have stood in the way regardless.
he could've stood up to the chink in the army and raised a red flag on the situation, but he chose not to. now he's bitter about the decision he made over it. damaged goods.



................... it's indicative of your leadership skills.
:lmao lighten up mr mussell. this is a frickin' message board. :lmao
geez

[clambake]

he could've stood up to the chink in the army and raised a red flag on the situation, but he chose not to. now he's bitter about the decision he made over it. damaged goods.
he did have concerns and they got steamrolled.



:lmao lighten up mr mussell. this is a frickin' message board. :lmao
geez
i'll be sure to remind you of your decision making skills in the future.

[boutons_]

Rumors are RFK, Jr for EPA, Caroline K as Amb to UN.

[boutons_]

Emmanuel still hasn't decided on CoS or staying in the House.

I love when right-wingers fear Emmanual as a smash-mouth, in-your-face partisan, while they loving Delay and Gingrich.

As usual, right-wingers are fake Macho Men when dishing it out, but fold like labia majora when it's dished back at them.

[implacable44]

shocking -- so much for those - across the table comments - the lets work together --that non-divisive garbage -- but then those were, "JUST WORDS, JUST SPEECHES"

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Emmanuel still hasn't decided on CoS or staying in the House.

Krushchev accepted, Morosetons_

[baseline bum]

WTF? No Bill Ayers or Tony Rezco?

[balli]

shocking -- so much for those - across the table comments - the lets work together --that non-divisive garbage -- but then those were, "JUST WORDS, JUST SPEECHES"

Bush's second to last Environmental Protection Agency Chief, came from my home state of Utah. That man was Governor Mike Leavitt. Mike Leavitt owned a commercial trout hatchery in the state of Utah that was producing trout that were inflicted with Whirling Disease, a contagious neurological disorder that seriously fucks up trout's spines before killing them. He was told to destroy his fish, but in order to save cost, he just loaded hem into trucks and dumped them into Utah's natural and world-class fishing waters. That was 1991. To this day, the entire state is over-run with Whirling Disease infected trout.

Mike Leavitt also refused to protect land from illegal ATV use inside and around the Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument, because he and republican cohorts in the state had a plan to purposefully destroy federally protected lands with off road vehicles, so as to make the land worthless and thereby strip it of it's protection under a review process.

One of his pet projects was something known as the Legacy Highway, an unnecessary road to be built along the shores of the Great Salt Lake to serve as an alternative to the fully functioning and newly refurbished interstate that would run parallel just a few hundred yards away. This road would have destroyed major, major wetlands that serve as annual migration points for Canadian Geese and ducks that pass through the state. After Leavitt left Utah, the route was changed.

Under Mike Leavitt, Utah was the nation's second leading industrial waste producer.

In short the man was basically an environmental wrecking ball of a human being and this is the guy who Bush put in charge of the entire motherfucking ENVIRONMENTAL. PROTECTION. AGENCY.

So, you know what? Fuck you. Mike Leavitt was just one of the countlessly fucked up, incredibly right wing appointments made by the Bush administration and I could give two shits if you don't like seeing anybody left of Strom Thurmand being speculated about in regards to Obama's bureaucracy. In fact, I revel in your despair. The tables have turned bitch.

[boutons_]

Lawrence Summers: Africa Is "UNDER-Polluted" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/lawrence-summers-africa-i_b_141706.html)


Lawrence Summers is on a very short list (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aeCd8KKVyyJQ&refer=home) of possible nominees for Secretary of Treasury. His selection has been complicated, however, by his destructive performance as president of Harvard University, a rocky term he finally sabotaged by revealing (http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/01/17/summers_remarks_on_women_draw_fire/) his opinion that women lack the mental aptitude to succeed in science.

But there is a lesser known episode in Summers' past that further highlights his reckless tendencies, and foreshadows a politically nettlesome nomination process.

On December 12, 1991, while serving as chief economist for the World Bank, Summers authored a private memo arguing that the bank should actively encourage the dumping of toxic waste in developing countries, particularly "under populated countries in Africa," which Summers described as "UNDER-polluted." Summers added that public outrage over the heightened rates of prostate cancer caused by his proposed dumping would be mitigated by the fact that poor people in developing countries rarely live long enough to develop prostate cancer.

Read the full Summers memo here. (http://www.whirledbank.org/ourwords/summers.html)

When the Summers memo leaked to the public in February 1992, Brazil's Secretary of the Environment, Jose Lutzenburger, responded with an indignant missive. "Your reasoning is perfectly logical but totally insane," Lutzenburger told Summers. "Your thoughts [provide] a concrete example of the unbelievable alienation, reductionist thinking, social ruthlessness and the arrogant ignorance of many conventional 'economists' concerning the nature of the world we live in... If the World Bank keeps you as vice president it will lose all credibility."

If Obama nominates Summers, he will send a dispiriting message to governments of developing countries -- especially in Africa -- just as they have begun to look at the United States as a beacon of hope.

Back in the U.S., Summers' nomination would prompt a reexamination by the media of the countless controversies he has fomented. Even an episode as tangential as Summers' romantic fling (http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/lawrence_of_absurdia_1/) with right-wing hatemonger Laura Ingraham could become a source of political embarrassment for the White House. Summers should be left to write his memoirs, not memos.

===========

Hmmm, Summers sounds like a bad pick. I had forgotten he was the guy at Harvard dissing women's brains.

[implacable44]

Bush's second to last Environmental Protection Agency Chief, came from my home state of Utah. That man was Governor Mike Leavitt. Mike Leavitt owned a commercial trout hatchery in the state of Utah that was producing trout that were inflicted with Whirling Disease, a contagious neurological disorder that seriously fucks up trout's spines before killing them. He was told to destroy his fish, but in order to save cost, he just loaded hem into trucks and dumped them into Utah's natural and world-class fishing waters. That was 1991. To this day, the entire state is over-run with Whirling Disease infected trout.

Mike Leavitt also refused to protect land from illegal ATV use inside and around the Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument, because he and republican cohorts in the state had a plan to purposefully destroy federally protected lands with off road vehicles, so as to make the land worthless and thereby strip it of it's protection under a review process.

One of his pet projects was something known as the Legacy Highway, an unnecessary road to be built along the shores of the Great Salt Lake to serve as an alternative to the fully functioning and newly refurbished interstate that would run parallel just a few hundred yards away. This road would have destroyed major, major wetlands that serve as annual migration points for Canadian Geese and ducks that pass through the state. After Leavitt left Utah, the route was changed.

Under Mike Leavitt, Utah was the nation's second leading industrial waste producer.

In short the man was basically an environmental wrecking ball of a human being and this is the guy who Bush put in charge of the entire motherfucking ENVIRONMENTAL. PROTECTION. AGENCY.

So, you know what? Fuck you. Mike Leavitt was just one of the countlessly fucked up, incredibly right wing appointments made by the Bush administration and I could give two shits if you don't like seeing anybody left of Strom Thurmand being speculated about in regards to Obama's bureaucracy. In fact, I revel in your despair. The tables have turned bitch.


You live in Utah ? I played at the U and lived there for 6 years.. Where do you live ?

now to address your point -- or whatever you were trying to say.. I am familiar with everything you stated.. and I don't care. Bush never ran on a platform like Obama did. Mr. Center - Mr. Uniter. so F you. -- Good thing you live in a state that McCain carried by a huge margin and your vote was worthless.

[balli]

You live in Utah ? I played at the U and lived there for 6 years.. Where do you live ?


You played at the U? Ball? Under Majerus?

I'm a liberal, I live in the Avenues.

[implacable44]

1994 -- just 1 year. The Avenues... love the Avenues. Didn't they redo a lot of those houses up there ? How long have you been there ?

[LnGrrrR]

I'm really hoping for Richardson as Secretary of State as well. It makes too much sense not to happen, though I've heard rumors about Kerry also.

[balli]

1994 -- just 1 year. The Avenues... love the Avenues. Didn't they redo a lot of those houses up there ? How long have you been there ?

Eh, somewhat. The higher up the hill you go the more refurbished it becomes, but they've also done a lot to clean things up down on the western side, towards and on Capitol Hill. I've been in Salt Lake for almost 23 years with a couple of brief departures for school. I'd bounce to SE Alaska (of all places) but it's too damn wet and based on travels elsewhere I know that to keep sane I need Utah's alpine/desert environment.

Did you live in Salt Lake the whole time you were here?

[LnGrrrR]

shocking -- so much for those - across the table comments - the lets work together --that non-divisive garbage -- but then those were, "JUST WORDS, JUST SPEECHES"

My goodness, you right-wingers sure do love to whine, don't you? "Help help, I'm being oppressed!"

Obama said he would work across the aisle. That does not, ipso facto, mean he has to staff himself up with 50% Dem, 50% Repub. He'll probably take on one or two Republicans for his cabinet. Lugar or Hagel are my bets.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm really hoping for Richardson as Secretary of State as well. It makes too much sense not to happen, though I've heard rumors about Kerry also.

I will be beyond pissed if that position goes to Kerry. Gibbs got Press Sec. I love that guy.

[Shastafarian]

I hear he's looking at Zell Miller for Secretary of Angry Old Guys.

[implacable44]

Eh, somewhat. The higher up the hill you go the more refurbished it becomes, but they've also done a lot to clean things up down on the western side, towards and on Capitol Hill. I've been in Salt Lake for almost 23 years with a couple of brief departures for school. I'd bounce to SE Alaska (of all places) but it's too damn wet and based on travels elsewhere I know that to keep sane I need Utah's alpine/desert environment.

Did you live in Salt Lake the whole time you were here?

I lived in Salt Lake in 1994 --right there by the Avenues at the edge of the University. Then I moved to Bountiful when I left the program and just went to school. Bountiful was slower and my buddies I played ball with all lived out that way. We played in OGden at an old hangar that some dude bought from Hill AFB and made it into his own personal gym. Rod Hay, Tennay Evans, Boo, Mark Lenor, the Chris', Lee Pennington, Kendall, -- some of those dudes. --

[florige]

WTF? No Bill Ayers or Tony Rezco?



As long as Obama picks J. Wright as his spiritual advisor I am sleeping good at night. (well morning)

[florige]

I'm really hoping for Richardson as Secretary of State as well. It makes too much sense not to happen, though I've heard rumors about Kerry also.



When I heard Kerry was in the running too I started thinking, shit!! I know he supported Obama too. I want Richardson too, but I can see Obama maybe having trouble deciding between the two. Richardson (and the supporters of course) pretty much delivered NM to Obama. I am actually nervous about this pick now as I am biased to Richardson.

[florige]

I wonder when we should hear this announcement??


http://www.mlive.com/us-politics/index.ssf/2008/11/secretary_of_state_post_looms.html



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by Politico.com
Thursday November 06, 2008, 4:42 AM
Among the senior jobs the president-elect must fill, no position looms larger than that of Secretary of State.

It’s the cabinet’s top prize: an office, fourth in line in presidential succession, first held by Thomas Jefferson, with past occupants including James Madison, John Quincy Adams, Henry Clay and George C. Marshall.

With the country engaged in two protracted wars and tense diplomatic negotiations in North Korea and elsewhere, the State Department will undoubtedly play a central role in the first months of the Barack Obama administration. And Obama’s choice for the department’s lead post will help define what kind of approach he’ll take to diplomacy and international affairs.

Unlike the last two newly-elected presidents, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, Obama does not necessarily have a clear choice for the position of Secretary of State. In 1992, former State Department official Warren Christopher was seen as a leading candidate for the position as early as the summer before the election. Eight years later, in 2000, Colin Powell was an almost prohibitive favorite to get the nod from President-elect Bush.

Obama, on the other hand, has a longer list of possibilities to choose from for America’s top diplomat.

If the soon-to-be 44th president wants to draw on the expertise of the Democratic Party’s foreign-policy establishment, three names likely would be at the top of his State Department short list: New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, former United Nations ambassador Richard Holbrooke and Massachusetts Sen. John F. Kerry.

Richardson, who ran for the Democratic presidential nomination earlier this election cycle, has one of the longest diplomatic resumes of any elected official. A seven-term veteran of the House of Representatives, Richardson served in the Clinton administration as ambassador to the United Nations and Secretary of Energy.

Though Richardson stumbled in the Democratic primaries, wounding his candidacy with verbal slip-ups and poor debate performances, he developed a reputation in the 1990s as a hard-edged hostage negotiator, and even as governor of New Mexico he maintained his involvement in foreign affairs, visiting crisis hot spots such as Darfur and North Korea. He endorsed Obama late in the Democratic primaries, but as a former Clinton administration official, his support carried extra punch.

One Clinton White House veteran who did not support Obama during his party’s nominating contest, but who must still be viewed as a contender for Secretary of State, is former U.N. ambassador Richard Holbrooke. Having served as Assistant Secretary of State for Asia and for Europe before succeeding Richardson at the United Nations, Holbrooke has one of the most distinguished State Department pedigrees in Democratic politics.

Holbrooke’s role in bringing peace to Bosnia – he helped lead negotiations on the Dayton Accords – made him a top contender for the Secretary’s post in Clinton’s second term. And in 2004, he was one of the two most-mentioned candidates for the job in a potential Kerry administration. His top rival? Joe Biden, who won’t be standing in his way this time.


But Holbrooke was strongly identified with the Clintons during the 2008 Democratic primaries, and Obama may want a Democratic who’s been closer to his campaign effort. If that’s the case, and Richardson’s not his guy, there’s another name that’s generated a lot of chatter: John F. Kerry.

The Democratic Party’s standard-bearer in the 2004 elections, Kerry’s endorsement of Obama gave the Illinois senator a burst of momentum at a vitally important time in the Democratic primaries. And in addition to the stature he gained as a major-party presidential nominee, Kerry is a longtime member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and has been involved in international policy since he took a leading role in the Iran-Contra investigations.

The Massachusetts senator would not be a new face, but Obama could be inclined to bring his Senate colleague into the White House with him.

As much as the Democratic Party provides Obama with several plausible choices for secretary of state, the president-elect may want to consider a broader talent pool – perhaps even naming a Republican to the position.

If Obama were to go in that direction, two GOP senators would likely lead the pack of would-be secretaries: Indiana Sen. Richard Lugar, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and maverick Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel, who is retiring from the senate and did not stand for re-election.

Lugar, the 76-year-old former mayor of Indianapolis, has a long record of working across the aisle on foreign policy matters. In the 1990s he forged a bipartisan bill on arms control with Georgia Democrat Sam Nunn. More recently, he and Biden put forth a compromise alternative to the bill authorizing the use of force in Iraq. That measure failed, but Lugar strengthened his reputation as a moderate foreign policy thinker – and his relationship with the man who is now the second-highest ranking official in the United States.

The Indiana senator has disavowed interest in joining Obama’s administration, and it is possible that Obama will decide that Lugar, with whom he has collaborated on nuclear proliferation issues, can be of more use to him as a partner in the Senate. Still, Lugar’s name remains on the lips of many in Washington, Democrats and Republicans alike.

Hagel, too, would lend Obama’s cabinet a bipartisan character. The two-term Nebraska senator flirted with endorsing Obama during the general election, traveling to Iraq with him in July and conspicuously refusing to back John McCain, his own party’s nominee. Hagel’s wife, Lilibet, endorsed Obama late in the campaign.

The legislator appears to have a good relationship with the president-elect, and his sharp criticism of the Bush administration’s handling of the war in Iraq suggests that some of his foreign policy priorities might mesh well with Obama’s. But Hagel is not a liberal Republican, and he made a name for himself in the Senate as a vocal opponent of the Clinton administration’s efforts to restrict carbon emissions through the Kyoto Treaty.

Obama may roll out his nominee quickly, or he may take his time choosing between these options – and other potential appointees as well. But whenever he makes his choice, it will help show the public what kind of international policy he wants to pursue and what kind of people he most trusts to help him.


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[MannyIsGod]

Hagel will undoubtedly get a position in the administration I'm just not thinking that will be state. I think Richardson is a much better fit for it than Kerry, but ultimately in politics there are other factors to consider. Holbrooke would be good choice as well.

I really do not want to see Kerry in that position, but we shall see.

I would absolutely love to see a Powell appointment. He deserves some of his luster back and I hope Obama gives him the opportunity. If Powell simply wants to go forth and not have an official position I understand as well, but at the very least I know he'll be involved at times.

[timvp]

If Obama goes with Kerry, that's the last time he gets my vote :td

[byrontx]

I am with Florige on Richardson. I thought Richardson was good VP material. He would be an asset to this administration.

[florige]

If Obama goes with Kerry, that's the last time he gets my vote :td



I'm just hoping he doesn't try and go with a so called "dream team" staff and puts Kerry there just because he ran for President in 04. Richardson is head and shoulders above everybody else for this position. I like Kerry, but not for SOS.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

If Obama goes with Kerry, that's the last time he gets my vote :td
apparently he's on obama's "short list".

this should be fun.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Kerry for Sec. of State? I can't think of a better Sec of State than a guy who turned his back on his fellow troops and gave his country the finger...

What a fucking joke...

[Viva Las Espuelas]

i saw on cnn.com that kerry is "high" on the list along with dodd :lmao and richardson. i'd like to see richarson there, but "high" with kerry then dodd. 2 out of 3 of obama's picks are horse puckey. change, indeed.

[clambake]

any of them would be an improvement over the last one that did nothing other than waving from the steps of a plane.

[MannyIsGod]

Viva, who could fill those positions that would fit your measure for change?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Viva, who could fill those positions that would fit your measure for change?
i believe i stated that in my post.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

any of them would be an improvement over the last one that did nothing other than waving from the steps of a plane.
okayyyyy.

[MannyIsGod]

i believe i stated that in my post.

How would Richardson = Change? He's himself held a position in the Clinton cabinet.

[clambake]

How would Richardson = Change? He's himself held a position in the Clinton cabinet.

if you're going to hold them to their demands, it's going to be a short conversation.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

any of them would be an improvement over the last one that did nothing other than waving from the steps of a plane.

Please, suckage by W's staff shouldn't be an excuse for Obama doing the same.

[clambake]

Please, suckage by W's staff shouldn't be an excuse for Obama doing the same.

tell me, how many of the people that tried to tie you to terrorism would you hire?

[ChumpDumper]

Competence would be a change, so I'll go with it.

[Wild Cobra]

Am I the only one that finds it ironic that we will get all this CHANGE by Obama bringing in these longtime DC insiders?

What am I missing?

[Nbadan]

Competence would be a change, so I'll go with it.

No doubt......

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

You would bitch no matter whom he brought in.

[MannyIsGod]

I dunno WC, what were you missing when you made your predictions? Want to talk about how bad the polls are now?

[florige]

If he bought in a whole lot of people whom they never heard of it would be "he has assembled a cabinet full of retards" or something along those lines.

[Nbadan]

I dunno WC, what were you missing when you made your predictions? Want to talk about how bad the polls are now?

:lol

They've moved on to the 'liberal media bias' argument....

[spurster]

Richardson would be a great choice.

[boutons_]

change is not people.

It's changing AWAY from the Repugs shithouse, no matter whom Obama chooses, towards competence, policies, and actual governing in good faith, all of which have been lacking since Jan 2000.

[ducks]

change is not people.

It's changing AWAY from the Repugs shithouse, no matter whom Obama chooses, towards competence, policies, and actual governing in good faith, all of which have been lacking since Jan 2000.

change is not people
no so why is mr hope president

if mr hope chooses people who have been there before
there will be no change
because their policies do not change
unless mr hope sticks money in their pockets since he has so much from countries giving it to him from overseas

[Duff McCartney]

You can't be putting a freaking unknown in there. The Republicans did that with their VP pick and look where that got them...ridicule and scorn from inside their own party.

Personally, I can't stand Rahm Emanuel. He's a fucking douche. I really don't like this whole "Chicago politician" shit either. It's absurd.

People wanting Obama to bring people they've never heard of is beyond comprehension. You want someone with experience and character that can get the job done. Not some half-ass governor of a sparsely populated state.

[MannyIsGod]

The funny thing is Rahm Emanuel is a hard ass, but he's not being brought in to deal with the GOP. In case the people here haven't noticed, the Democrats have huge control of both houses and don't need the GOP votes to pass shit at the moment. Emanuel is there to help Obama deal with his own party more than anything else because he's not going to let Pelosi and Reid have their way and this should be fairly obvious to anyone with half a fucking brain.

[ducks]

The funny thing is Rahm Emanuel is a hard ass, but he's not being brought in to deal with the GOP. In case the people here haven't noticed, the Democrats have huge control of both houses and don't need the GOP votes to pass shit at the moment. Emanuel is there to help Obama deal with his own party more than anything else because he's not going to let Pelosi and Reid have their way and this should be fairly obvious to anyone with half a fucking brain.

since when did obama even stand up to anyone in his own fucking party
that is why he needs Emanuel

[MannyIsGod]

since when did obama even stand up to anyone in his own fucking party
that is why he needs Emanuel

Ok? Didn't I just say he wanted Rahm for that reason?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Ok? Didn't I just say he wanted Rahm for that reason?

Really, Manny? You're asking Ducks to show reading comprehension skills?

[MannyIsGod]

Good fucking point.

[TheMadHatter]

I imagine ducks being like one of those creatures from "The Hills Have Eyes" or Golem.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

the obama camp is unhappy with their secretary of state choices and they're currently looking at



















































Hillary!

[MannyIsGod]

Source?

[florige]

Yeah I heard it too on CNN. I wonder what turned them off with Richardson?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

change is not people.

It's changing AWAY from the Repugs shithouse, no matter whom Obama chooses, towards competence, policies, and actual governing in good faith, all of which have been lacking since Jan 2000.


If change isn't people then why'd you vote for Obama?

[ducks]

Source?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081114/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_state_department

there you go little boy

change more clinton
just what they need he promised changed
more clinton
is clinton the president or obama
his cabinent is clinton
except he is going to tap clinton to be the sec of state


is obama a puppet for the dem party or can he make choices for himself

QUESTION

[ducks]

If change isn't people then why'd you vote for Obama?

alot voted because he was black
dem got black people to register so they could vote for obama
they still do not know what obama stands for

[Viva Las Espuelas]

this should be good.

[MannyIsGod]

So you have no source of him being upset with his candidates and him leaning to Clinton Viva?

[Creepn]

So media writes about a particular candidate and the people assume the rest. Remember all the "eyeing" the media done with the VP picks?

[florige]

alot voted because he was black
dem got black people to register so they could vote for obama
they still do not know what obama stands for



If 100% of every black person in America would had voted for Obama their vote wouldn't have been enough to put him in office without the white voters and the hispanic voters.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

i don't recall posting "upset". just "unhappy". i probably should've posted unsatisfied or uncontent. either way, hillary is getting the buzz and that's that.

[MannyIsGod]

i don't recall posting "upset". just "unhappy". i probably should've posted unsatisfied or uncontent. either way, hillary is getting the buzz and that's that.

You're still not getting it. He could be perfectly happy with the choices he has for the position and still go after Hillary. You're making shit up. There are obvious reasons that he would go after Hillary for the position and they revolve around a republican president he constantly points out as one of his role models. Its all over the news so this you should be able to figure out easily.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

:lmao

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Obama holds secret meeting with HRC

[TheMadHatter]

It's good to see Conservative America in the minority again, where it belongs.

[MannyIsGod]

Since Viva apparently still doesn't get it..

Doris Kearns Goodwin (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Doris%20Kearns%20Goodwin)

There's an even bigger hint.

[MannyIsGod]

Obama in May of this year. May. As in half a year ago.



"I will tell you, though, that my goal is to have the best possible government, and that means me winning," Obama said, per ABC News' Sunlen Miller. "And so, I am very practical minded. I'm a practical-minded guy. And, you know, one of my heroes is Abraham Lincoln."
Obama then referred to "a wonderful book written by Doris Kearns Goodwin called 'Team of Rivals,' (http://www.amazon.com/Team-Rivals-Doris-Kearns-Goodwin/dp/0684824906) in which [she] talked about [how] Lincoln basically pulled in all the people who had been running against him into his Cabinet because whatever, you know, personal feelings there were, the issue was, 'How can we get this country through this time of crisis?'"
Lincoln, FYI, appointed three of his rivals for the GOP presidential nomination to his cabinet -- three men who at the time loathed him.
William H. Seward became secretary of state, Salmon P. Chase became secretary of the treasury, and Edward Bates became attorney general.
Another former rival, Edwin Stanton -- who once called Lincoln a "long armed ape" -- became secretary of war.
"That has to be the approach that one takes," Obama said, "whether it's vice president or cabinet, whoever. And by the way that does not exclude Republicans either. You know my attitude is that whoever is the best person for the job is the person I want. ... You know, if I really thought that John McCain was the absolute best person for the Department of the Homeland Security, I would put him in there."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/obama-proposes.html

[MannyIsGod]

Just for the record, I'm not thrilled with the thought of Clinton in that position. She was a war supporter and she's not exactly been great with Iran comments but I just think its funny when people try to spin this for something other than what it is. Especially when its idiots like Viva who when you ask them for a link they bumble around like the idiots they are.

Viva, I think I'm beginning to understand why you freak out about me knowing things in multiple areas. That is a hard concept to fathom when you can't display intelligence in a single area, isn't it?

[florige]

Just for the record, I'm not thrilled with the thought of Clinton in that position. She was a war supporter and she's not exactly been great with Iran comments but I just think its funny when people try to spin this for something other than what it is. Especially when its idiots like Viva who when you ask them for a link they bumble around like the idiots they are.

Viva, I think I'm beginning to understand why you freak out about me knowing things in multiple areas. That is a hard concept to fathom when you can't display intelligence in a single area, isn't it?



I agree. Richardson is the safe pick for this position.

[Jelly]

John Kerry would make a very good Sec of State. He's got all the credentials....plus he speaks French. It seems fitting that this position is held by someone who speaks at least one other language.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Just for the record, I'm not thrilled with the thought of Clinton in that position. She was a war supporter and she's not exactly been great with Iran comments but I just think its funny when people try to spin this for something other than what it is. Especially when its idiots like Viva who when you ask them for a link they bumble around like the idiots they are.

Viva, I think I'm beginning to understand why you freak out about me knowing things in multiple areas. That is a hard concept to fathom when you can't display intelligence in a single area, isn't it?
exactly where was the spin? please show me. if someone doesn't pick someone then the other are unsatisfactory for that position, correct? seems like its only one person making a big deal of it. the thread is called obama cabinet and i'm posting items i come across that relates to it. if you feel the need to "talk down" to someone to feel good about yourself then go ahead. i really don't lose sleep over much.

[ChumpDumper]

Post some links. Maybe we'll believe you.

[MannyIsGod]

exactly where was the spin? please show me. if someone doesn't pick someone then the other are unsatisfactory for that position, correct? seems like its only one person making a big deal of it. the thread is called obama cabinet and i'm posting items i come across that relates to it. if you feel the need to "talk down" to someone to feel good about yourself then go ahead. i really don't lose sleep over much.

You really don't understand why this is wrong do you?

[timvp]

Kerry, Clinton .. even Gore seems to be aiming to start strong arming Obama. Might as well call up Billy Clint and Edwards while we're at it.

[kwhitegocubs]

Kerry, Clinton .. even Gore seems to be aiming to start strong arming Obama. Might as well call up Billy Clint and Edwards while we're at it.

Oh, I think Edwards forfeited his entire future political career already ;)

[Viva Las Espuelas]

You really don't understand why this is wrong do you?
if you answer my question then maybe we can continue.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Kerry, Clinton .. even Gore seems to be aiming to start strong arming Obama. Might as well call up Billy Clint and Edwards while we're at it.
i read that gore said he was uninterested in a supposed "global warming czar" position that's being talked about in the obama camp. oh and edwards shouldn't even bother with running for any office of any kind for awhile.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh, I think Edwards forfeited his entire future political career already ;)

Yeah right. He's definitely out of it for awhile, but Edwards will likely be back in some capacity at some point.

[florige]

John Kerry would make a very good Sec of State. He's got all the credentials....plus he speaks French. It seems fitting that this position is held by someone who speaks at least one other language.


I'm pretty sure Richardson speaks spanish....:lol

[Viva Las Espuelas]

well it's been offered to her.

[ChumpDumper]

Thanks for providing all these links.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

thanks for providing the entertainment.

[ChumpDumper]

You can't even say where you heard it.

Thanks for being a stupid douche.

[MannyIsGod]

Is there anyone who actually values Viva's posting? Outside of his quattro whores that is.

[Creepn]

Wasnt Viva busting his nut when Obama was having "secret" talks with Hillary during his VP picking phase?

[florige]

Is there anyone who actually values Viva's posting? Outside of his quattro whores that is.


Damn dude....


Looks like it is between Richardson and Clinton for that SOS job. Kerry's name has seemed to have vanished from the picture. Clinton would be a bad idea imo. And I'm not just saying that because I like Richardson. Alot of voters want complete change. Adding Clinton to that position would piss off alot of people including myself. Let her stay in the senate.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Gov. Bill Richardson is a serious contender for commerce secretary, say sources close to Barack Obama's transition team.

....now i'm off to apply the anbesol.......liberally.

[Southwest Texas Fan]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/22/us/politics/22obama.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin