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DarrinS
11-06-2008, 12:24 PM
He was classy.

Magnanimous.

A gentleman.

Ripped for being out of touch, he chose just the right touch.

A man who critics say only mangled his words.

Conjured just the right ones.

I'm not talking about John McCain yesterday.

I'm talking about President Bush today.
McCain gave a classy speech.

The president made a classy gesture.

Offering only good words for the man who repudiated his run of the White House.

But going one better -- inviting Barack and Michelle Obama to the White House.

To see the place, and talk about the place, and the pressures of the place, in private.

These were not empty words. The president took care months ago to put a transition team in place, so that a smooth transfer of power could take place.

President Bush wasn't so lucky when he was coming in.

Maybe things were different then. A lot of ill will then. Lots of hurtful words since then.

He wasn't even running this year but it seemed everyone, including his own party's nominee, was running against him all year.

If he minded, he didn't show it.

I remember even talking to the president on the White House south lawn about it.

"Does it all bug you?," I asked.

"Nah," he said, shrugging his shoulders and adding simply, "I understand."

A man at peace with a nation seemingly at war… with him. Some for good reason, others apparently lacking reason.

He took nothing personally, always handling himself with dignity.
Not by what he said, but precisely what he did not.

I've read that the president is as kind to the elevator operator at the White House as he is a visiting head of state to the White House.

I've seen it myself. Every time I've interviewed him, he sticks around and personally shakes the hands of each member of my crew, and then hangs out for pictures. Lots of pictures.

I know, little things. But to me, big things. That bespeak of a man far bigger than the petty things I see in the press.

Or hear in a harsh campaign year.

That ended today, with a quiet gesture today.

From a president who'd be in his right to wag a finger.

But instead, simply offered his hand.

romad_20
11-06-2008, 12:27 PM
Good move by Bush. I wonder if all this "come together" talk is real or just paying lip-service to the people who voted for Obama (not referring to Bush's offer here, but the overall tone from politicians)

I wonder if our politics are really on the verge of change.

DarrinS
11-06-2008, 12:30 PM
Good move by Bush. I wonder if all this "come together" talk is real or just paying lip-service to the people who voted for Obama (not referring to Bush's offer here, but the overall tone from politicians)

I wonder if our politics are really on the verge of change.



From all the things I've read about Bush, I think this move is sincere. He has nothing to gain from it personally.

hater
11-06-2008, 12:31 PM
fuck Bush. He is responsible for deaths of thousands of american soldiers and tens of thousands of iraqui civilians.

he is going straight to hell

DarrinS
11-06-2008, 12:31 PM
fuck Bush. He is responsible for deaths of thousands of american soldiers and tens of thousands of iraqui civilians.

he is going straight to hell


Classy

doobs
11-06-2008, 12:32 PM
Good move by Bush. I wonder if all this "come together" talk is real or just paying lip-service to the people who voted for Obama (not referring to Bush's offer here, but the overall tone from politicians)

I wonder if our politics are really on the verge of change.

What kind of change? Are we moving to the left? Yes. Will there be a surge of bipartisanship now that Obama is going to be president? Hell no.

Anti.Hero
11-06-2008, 12:33 PM
We'll see bipartisanship in the next 4 years, like Pelosi promised when she first became top dog.

:lmao

Which is cool with me. Give them the reigns and see what they do. :toast

romad_20
11-06-2008, 12:34 PM
fuck Bush. He is responsible for deaths of thousands of american soldiers and tens of thousands of iraqui civilians.

he is going straight to hell


I don't disagree about the war, but his time is almost over and its time to move on. Nothing can change what happened.


From all the things I've read about Bush, I think this move is sincere. He has nothing to gain from it personally.

I agree.

romad_20
11-06-2008, 12:35 PM
What kind of change? Are we moving to the left? Yes. Will there be a surge of bipartisanship now that Obama is going to be president? Hell no.


Well I'm glad you know already, but I'm trying not to be cynical. At least let me try it out :lol

DarrinS
11-06-2008, 12:38 PM
Will there be a surge of bipartisanship now that Obama is going to be president? Hell no.


Well, I hope that conservatives will at least stand up for their principles and not just try to block legislation based on bitterness.


Not that they can block any legislation anyway. Dems are in FULL control now.

doobs
11-06-2008, 12:40 PM
Well I'm glad you know already, but I'm trying not to be cynical. At least let me try it out :lol

Fair enough. I just think this is Bush being Bush. He's a decent person who just happens to be a very unpopular president. I'm not at all cynical about Bush's motivations. I'm just realistic--OK, cynical--about what will happen over the next four years: with a Democrat Congress, Obama will govern from the left on almost all issues; Republicans will be angry and lash out (you can see this already with the treatment of Sarah "sacrificial lamb" Palin); and Republicans and Democrats will be looking forward to 2010 within a couple weeks.

This is all about Bush being a nice guy. This has nothing to do with Obama "bringing us together."

spurster
11-06-2008, 12:43 PM
Somebody keep on eye on the copper.

boutons_
11-06-2008, 12:49 PM
"Classy" and true.

dubya needs to drag his road-killed butt of the road and let Obama start making some calls, like shutting down Paulsen's Robbery, ASAP.

romad_20
11-06-2008, 12:51 PM
Fair enough. I just think this is Bush being Bush. He's a decent person who just happens to be a very unpopular president. I'm not at all cynical about Bush's motivations. I'm just realistic--OK, cynical--about what will happen over the next four years: with a Democrat Congress, Obama will govern from the left on almost all issues; Republicans will be angry and lash out (you can see this already with the treatment of Sarah "sacrificial lamb" Palin); and Republicans and Democrats will be looking forward to 2010 within a couple weeks.

This is all about Bush being a nice guy. This has nothing to do with Obama "bringing us together."

I'm not talking about Obama bringing anyone together, I'm talking about the general attitude of most of the talking heads and politicians.

BTW, I think he'll be more center than you're giving him credit for. Only time will tell.

Viva Las Espuelas
11-06-2008, 12:51 PM
"Classy" and true.

dubya needs to drag his road-killed butt of the road and let Obama start making some calls, like shutting down Paulsen's Robbery, ASAP.
something that Obama voted for. Yes.

boutons_
11-06-2008, 01:38 PM
Nobody's perfect. Trusting a Repug with taxpayer $$$ is never a good idea.

MannyIsGod
11-06-2008, 02:28 PM
From all the things I've read about Bush, I think this move is sincere. He has nothing to gain from it personally.

I don't see why its not a sincere move. Like you, I don't see what he could possibly gain from it.

hater
11-06-2008, 02:29 PM
but his time is almost over and its time to move on.

tell that to the families of all the dead

balli
11-06-2008, 02:38 PM
tell that to the families of all the dead

I agree with you. Bush is a mass-murderer in my eyes. He's brought more death and pain into the world than any other human being on the planet. At some point it'll become or already has become pointless to bitch about, but I will never forgive him and furthermore I don't see how he escapes being ruined by what he's done.

I take Woody Allen's view
RRUV27b98eI

hater
11-06-2008, 02:54 PM
He's brought more death and pain into the world than any other human being on the planet.

well come on. you heard about Stalin, Hitler, Mao?

Bush is up there though

balli
11-06-2008, 02:55 PM
well come on. you heard about Stalin, Hitler, Mao?

Bush is up there though

Living, human being, on the planet.

Viva Las Espuelas
11-06-2008, 02:56 PM
Bush ..............brought more death and pain into the world than any other human being on the planet.
:wow are you serious? are you mid bong session? do you mean on the planet-alive, or on the planet-period?

Viva Las Espuelas
11-06-2008, 02:57 PM
:wow are you serious? are you mid bong session? do you mean on the planet-alive, or on the planet-period?
ah. i should've waited, but still :wow. just remember 7 1/2 years. the countdown starts 1/21/09

DarrinS
11-06-2008, 02:59 PM
I agree with you. Bush is a mass-murderer in my eyes. He's brought more death and pain into the world than any other human being on the planet.


Wow. Just....wow.



Smoke another doobie.


EDIT> 58,000 dead Americans in Vietnam take issue with your post.

timvp
11-06-2008, 03:03 PM
Damn it, even Bush is an Obamatard :pctoss

boutons_
11-06-2008, 03:07 PM
With his legacy in ashes, with many people considering him to be one of the worst presidents and administrations in US history, dubya is trying to salvage something. A few nice words and gestures at this point will not in any way offset the damage he has visited on us all and on future generations.

Anybody who thinks dubya, or McNasty, can display graciousness and magnanimity, with sincerity, at this point is ridiculously naive.

dubya started a fucking bogus war on false pretenses, which caused 100s of 1000s of deaths.

McNasty ran a slanderous, nasty campaign. Both incredibly damaging to the USA and world.

Nobody forced them, it was their choice. Actions have consequences.

JoeChalupa
11-06-2008, 03:07 PM
I did not like the path Bush has taken this Country but I believe he is sincere and want to get the hell out of Washington asap.

baseline bum
11-06-2008, 03:09 PM
I did not like the path Bush has taken this Country but I believe he is sincere and want to get the hell out of Washington asap.

You gotta run after you slash and burn.

romad_20
11-06-2008, 03:11 PM
Living, human being, on the planet.

Jesus christ :bang This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen posted on this board. Do you even know what goes on in southeast Asia everyday? Africa? North Korea? He's not murdering people, he's no more a killer than JFK and LBJ are for Vietnam.

Extreme views from the left and right are equally as dumb.

DarrinS
11-06-2008, 03:12 PM
I did not like the path Bush has taken this Country but I believe he is sincere and want to get the hell out of Washington asap.


At least some of you know the difference between incompetence and malice.

boutons_
11-06-2008, 03:24 PM
"difference between incompetence and malice."

dubya talked about getting Saddam in his first cabinet meeting. He knew exactly what the PNAC/neo-c*nt agenda was for Iraq. All they needed was pre-text and they're allowing 9/11 to happen gave them them perfect pretext.

Any suggestions that dubya didn't know what was going in invading Iraq are simply ludicrous.

The incompetence comes in, not from him personally running Iraq, but from dickhead, rummy, neo-c*nts who assumed Iraq would be a pushover and troops pulled down to 30K by Sep 03.

dubya also knew he was profoundly, dishonestly exploiting the 9/11 paranoia to ram through all kinds of unrelated shit that Obama must address.

hater
11-06-2008, 03:38 PM
Jesus christ :bang This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen posted on this board. Do you even know what goes on in southeast Asia everyday? Africa? North Korea?

I agree


He's not murdering people, he's no more a killer than JFK and LBJ are for Vietnam.

I disagree. eventhough JFK,LBJ could be considered mass murderes especially to vietnamese, there is a difference.

they didn't really start a war for their personal reasons. Bush did.

romad_20
11-06-2008, 03:46 PM
I disagree. eventhough JFK,LBJ could be considered mass murderes especially to vietnamese, there is a difference.

they didn't really start a war for their personal reasons. Bush did.

You're not going to get me to defend Bush (I guess I already did a little but not intentionally :lol) I see the difference you're making and I can agree to some point. His reasons for going to war, as personal as they may be, were approved and supported by most of the country and congress. The blame is mostly his, but not only his, and I think it’s ridiculous to make the statement that was made earlier in the thread. I think you and I agree more on the topic than we disagree.

JohnnyMarzetti
11-06-2008, 03:49 PM
Dumbya wanted to be the "war president" and nothing was going to stop him.

boutons_
11-06-2008, 03:52 PM
"His reasons for going to war"

They were all proven to be bullshit lies, and "fixing up the intel", as the Brits said, to come up with those war-selling points.

There's no way to absolve dubya for lying his way into a bogus, unnecessary invasion of a country that had not attacked USA and was no immediate threat.

Spurminator
11-06-2008, 04:01 PM
Obama was fortunate that this sort of discussion was not common on the national scene during his campaign. Democrats did a pretty good of keeping their "Bush is a Nazi Cannibal" opinions from overshadowing Obama's positive message. Perhaps they learned a lesson in 2004 after all.

boutons_
11-06-2008, 05:06 PM
"Obama was fortunate"

Obama could have gone after McNasty and harped on Keating, the save-my-ass illegal leaks that McNasty did about the Keating affair, on his current friend Gordon Liddy, on his disastrous flight career as McBottomGun, etc, etc.

otoh, McNasty went after Obama with the worse kind of baseless character assassaination shit, then compouned it with crap statement "I know how to win wars".

Spurminator
11-06-2008, 05:10 PM
Obama could have gone after McNasty and harped on Keating, the save-my-ass illegal leaks that McNasty did about the Keating affair, on his current friend Gordon Liddy, on his disastrous flight career as McBottomGun, etc, etc.

But he didn't. And that helped him win. He was able to keep people like you from being a distraction and a nuisance.

ClingingMars
11-06-2008, 05:16 PM
fuck Bush. He is responsible for deaths of thousands of american soldiers and tens of thousands of iraqui civilians.

he is going straight to hell

my goodness, BDS is strong in this one.

-Mars

ClingingMars
11-06-2008, 05:19 PM
I agree with you. Bush is a mass-murderer in my eyes. He's brought more death and pain into the world than any other human being on the planet. At some point it'll become or already has become pointless to bitch about, but I will never forgive him and furthermore I don't see how he escapes being ruined by what he's done.

I take Woody Allen's view
RRUV27b98eI

the BDS scale is off the charts!!!

-Mars

ClingingMars
11-06-2008, 05:20 PM
With his legacy in ashes, with many people considering him to be one of the worst presidents and administrations in US history, dubya is trying to salvage something. A few nice words and gestures at this point will not in any way offset the damage he has visited on us all and on future generations.

Anybody who thinks dubya, or McNasty, can display graciousness and magnanimity, with sincerity, at this point is ridiculously naive.

dubya started a fucking bogus war on false pretenses, which caused 100s of 1000s of deaths.

McNasty ran a slanderous, nasty campaign. Both incredibly damaging to the USA and world.

Nobody forced them, it was their choice. Actions have consequences.

So many people...so much Bush Derangement Syndrome...

-Mars

Shastafarian
11-06-2008, 05:21 PM
Is that worse than Bush Denial Syndrome?

ducks
11-06-2008, 06:37 PM
fuck Bush. He is responsible for deaths of thousands of american soldiers and tens of thousands of iraqui civilians.

he is going straight to hell

did he cause 9-11?

Obstructed_View
11-06-2008, 07:40 PM
"difference between incompetence and malice."

dubya talked about getting Saddam in his first cabinet meeting. He knew exactly what the PNAC/neo-c*nt agenda was for Iraq. All they needed was pre-text and they're allowing 9/11 to happen gave them them perfect pretext.

Any suggestions that dubya didn't know what was going in invading Iraq are simply ludicrous.

The incompetence comes in, not from him personally running Iraq, but from dickhead, rummy, neo-c*nts who assumed Iraq would be a pushover and troops pulled down to 30K by Sep 03.

dubya also knew he was profoundly, dishonestly exploiting the 9/11 paranoia to ram through all kinds of unrelated shit that Obama must address.
:lol You are such a dumb fuck.

boutons_
11-06-2008, 07:46 PM
how about some of you dumbfucks refuting my charges against dubya?

Kamala
11-06-2008, 08:41 PM
did he cause 9-11?

No he just went on vacation for a couple of months before it and shat his pants in that classroom.

AntiChrist
11-06-2008, 09:21 PM
how about some of you dumbfucks refuting my charges against dubya?


He aint no damn Anti-Christ. I am the TRUE Anti-Christ.

PixelPusher
11-06-2008, 09:23 PM
my goodness, BDS is strong in this one.

-Mars


the BDS scale is off the charts!!!

-Mars

"Barack Derangement Syndrome"?

lefty
11-06-2008, 10:00 PM
Classy

But true

ClingingMars
11-06-2008, 10:51 PM
"Barack Derangement Syndrome"?

*Bush Derangement Syndrome. People haven't even come CLOSE, and nor will come close, to slandering and bashing Obama like Bush.

-Mars

boutons_
11-06-2008, 11:01 PM
"People haven't even come CLOSE, and nor will come close, to slandering and bashing Obama like Bush."

dubya deserves to bashed, even imprisoned for violating FISA and approving torture, and lying his way into starting a bogus war and destroying Iraq.

Get back to us when Obama "will come close" to the disasters and incompetence dubya has committed.

Obstructed_View
11-07-2008, 08:19 AM
"People haven't even come CLOSE, and nor will come close, to slandering and bashing Obama like Bush."

dubya deserves to bashed, even imprisoned for violating FISA and approving torture, and lying his way into starting a bogus war and destroying Iraq.

Get back to us when Obama "will come close" to the disasters and incompetence dubya has committed.

I'm quite sure you and your ilk were bashing him long before anything happened that you could twist into being his fault, before you could jump to the opposite side on any decision that didn't go well and claim you were always against, to look back on every single situation with 20/20 hindsight and give endless hypotheticals to support "your" side. You've been a little mindless mob of second guessers, determined to spin any situation to your political advantage, since before the man took office, which is why it's impossible to take anything you say seriously. No president deserves the vomitious filth people like you go out of your way to throw at him, and Bush has always taken the high road despite it. I can't imagine hating someone the way you seem to hate anyone that doesn't spout the same inane rhetoric as you do. When I read the horribly hateful and completely ignorant shit that you say my first instinct is to feel really sorry for you.

I'm also quite sure that Bush wants Obama's presidency to succeed, as most Americans do.

101A
11-07-2008, 09:08 AM
I agree



I disagree. eventhough JFK,LBJ could be considered mass murderes especially to vietnamese, there is a difference.

they didn't really start a war for their personal reasons. Bush did.

Iraq is the only foreign country polled that wanted McCain, and not Obama, as President.

The Iraqis, despite all of you bitching about Bush killing however many gazillions of them; LIKE what has happened in their country. THEY are glad Saddam is gone. They recognize, although you are too fucking blinded by hatred to, that it was other foreigners and destabilizers brought into their country that have wreaked terror on their population. Ironically, those people have not terrorized the people they were ACTUALLY killing into submission, they've done it to a bunch of short-sighted fools in THIS country.

Fuck the Iraquis, I guess; it's not about them; it's about the feelings and beliefs of the left-wing in this country. YOU know better than them what is good for them, right? Living under Saddam > Now, because YOU say so, right? How very open minded of you. How very Humanitarian of you.

Arrogant. Clueless. Fucks.

boutons_
11-07-2008, 09:51 AM
"LIKE what has happened in their country."

Infrastructure destroyed,
sporadic electricity,
unclean water,
broken sewage,
millions of refugees internal and external,
much of the middle-class/professional-managerial class as refugees or dead,
unemployment 40%-50%,
several 100K Iraqis dead,
Iran's influence in Iraq greatly increased.

What's not to "LIKE"?

Iraq is destroyed, the govt is moribund and corrupt and weak.
No entente or cooperation between Shiite, Sunni, Kurd.

We'll see if Obama's election make any difference.

Obama Victory Alters the Tenor of Iraqi Politics

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/world/middleeast/07iraq.html?pagewanted=print

Bigzax
11-07-2008, 10:48 AM
GodBless George W. Bush! FOUR MORE YEARS!!! :lmao

you dems should be suckin his dick, without his willingness to do what was and is unpopular for the betterment of the country, you wouldn't have your dem in office...

and it's just like boutons says...it takes years to undo the previous admins works!

bush didn't have time to correct all of clinton's fatal errors. like wildbilly shaking the al quaida beehive and starting the country on the path to mortgage meltdown...and you've seen the results!

pero es que es!

GodBless Obama and i surely hope he is all that and a bag of chips...cuz i likes me some chips.

p.s. i sure hope they discuss all the pakistan missle attacks that have been ramped up.

all i can say is FINALLY!

Is Bush trying to Catch Osama before he leaves office? If he can present Osama's head on a platter Jan 19th, 2009...that would be splendid! :lol

DarrinS
11-07-2008, 11:29 AM
In boutons world, Bush is worse than Mao Ze-Dong, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Adolph Hitler, Saddam Hussein, etc. etc. etc.


Just to put things in perspective, in the Soviet-Afghan War, there were nearly 1 million Afghans killed. In the Iraq war, there are approx 88-97K killed and most of those are from insurgent IEDs.



Learn some history you fucking douchebag.

~~~~~~
11-07-2008, 04:15 PM
ooops wrong thread.

Blake
11-07-2008, 04:27 PM
Dear Bush,

That little boy is doing everything it takes to win. So, you know what you guys do when he gets in office? You pat him on the back and say congratulations and enjoy it and tell him not to serve fried chicken next year. Got it?

........... or collard greens or whatever the hell they serve.

sincerely,
Fuzzy Zoeller

boutons_
11-07-2008, 04:31 PM
So the US Afghan fiasco, the unending occupation, what's the current objective again?, is OK as long as it's compared to the much bigger Russian-Afghan war.

Learn some fucking logic, douchebag.

The US occupation of Aghanistan will end in the same failure as Russian invasion. "It's Their Country" and they will outwait us.

In the meantime, the US will lose 1000s more lives, bodies, minds in Afghanistan, all wasted.

DarrinS
11-07-2008, 04:40 PM
So the US Afghan fiasco, the unending occupation, what's the current objective again?, is OK as long as it's compared to the much bigger Russian-Afghan war.

Learn some fucking logic, douchebag.

The US occupation of Aghanistan will end in the same failure as Russian invasion. "It's Their Country" and they will outwait us.

In the meantime, the US will lose 1000s more lives, bodies, minds in Afghanistan, all wasted.


Sarah "moose cunt" Palin is way smarter >>>>>> boutons_

Obstructed_View
11-07-2008, 06:01 PM
In the meantime, the US will lose 1000s more lives, bodies, minds in Afghanistan, all wasted.

Since when do you care about US soldiers, aside from gleefully using their blood to attempt to make political points?

boutons_
11-07-2008, 07:03 PM
I bitch slap Darrin, he concedes, and whines like a little bitch.

boutons_
11-07-2008, 07:07 PM
"when do you care about US soldiers"

You may have noticed that I'm tend to be anti-dubya.
His wasting 100s of 1000s of lives in Iraq-for-oil, including 4100+ US military, is my motivation. Starting a war and sending troops is a huge, sacred responsibility that the frat rat tourist totally besmirched.

Right-wingers talk super-respectfully of the US mlitary, but walk away when the US military is abused and wasted.

Wild Cobra
11-07-2008, 11:28 PM
fuck Bush. He is responsible for deaths of thousands of american soldiers and tens of thousands of iraqui civilians.

he is going straight to hell
There's already a forum for trolls like you. You know that, right?

Wild Cobra
11-07-2008, 11:30 PM
Wow. Just....wow.



Smoke another doobie.


EDIT> 58,000 dead Americans in Vietnam take issue with your post.
Don't forget the holocast

ducks
11-07-2008, 11:32 PM
Aghanistan will have more troops according to mr hope
and he will spend more money there
and fuck the country and pull out in iraq

Wild Cobra
11-07-2008, 11:34 PM
I just love it. Take a classy post, and it seems no matter what it is, the Bush Haters come out.

You guys are totally pathetic. Real losers.

RandomGuy
05-02-2019, 02:37 PM
Neil Cavuto
He was classy.

Magnanimous.

A gentleman.

Ripped for being out of touch, he chose just the right touch.

A man who critics say only mangled his words.

Conjured just the right ones.

I'm not talking about John McCain yesterday.

I'm talking about President Bush today.
McCain gave a classy speech.

The president made a classy gesture.

Offering only good words for the man who repudiated his run of the White House.

But going one better -- inviting Barack and Michelle Obama to the White House.

To see the place, and talk about the place, and the pressures of the place, in private.

These were not empty words. The president took care months ago to put a transition team in place, so that a smooth transfer of power could take place.

President Bush wasn't so lucky when he was coming in.

Maybe things were different then. A lot of ill will then. Lots of hurtful words since then.

He wasn't even running this year but it seemed everyone, including his own party's nominee, was running against him all year.

If he minded, he didn't show it.

I remember even talking to the president on the White House south lawn about it.

"Does it all bug you?," I asked.

"Nah," he said, shrugging his shoulders and adding simply, "I understand."

A man at peace with a nation seemingly at war… with him. Some for good reason, others apparently lacking reason.

He took nothing personally, always handling himself with dignity.
Not by what he said, but precisely what he did not.

I've read that the president is as kind to the elevator operator at the White House as he is a visiting head of state to the White House.

I've seen it myself. Every time I've interviewed him, he sticks around and personally shakes the hands of each member of my crew, and then hangs out for pictures. Lots of pictures.

I know, little things. But to me, big things. That bespeak of a man far bigger than the petty things I see in the press.

Or hear in a harsh campaign year.

That ended today, with a quiet gesture today.

From a president who'd be in his right to wag a finger.

But instead, simply offered his hand.

Wow.. the things one finds going back a few years. Irony.