Tolliver to Bonner: Hit the Bench!

[Buddy Holly]

In one game, Tolliver has done more than Bonner has edit ever done.

Bonner, get used to sitting next to Vaughn.

[VaSpursFan]

tolliver is a player...he showed me enough in summer league. he gets spurs basketball and has a very high bball iq...bonner, well, he has red hair.

[SequSpur]

If Bonner is in the last year in his contract, he should be waived immediately, but knowing the spurs, he probably was extended for 5 years and his last 2 are max deals.

[Borosai]

Pros for Tolliver: Better passer, better-looking shot, quicker feet defending on the perimeter, and more active around the basket

Pros for Bonner: Stronger, and red hair

Man, this is a tough one. I really like Bonner, but he needs to sit unless it's an emergency.

[objective]

Bonner played 13 seconds tonight.

About 13 seconds too many.

[SequSpur]

Pros for Tolliver: Better passer, better-looking shot, quicker feet defending on the perimeter, and more active around the basket

Pros for Bonner: Stronger, and red hair

Man, this is a tough one. I really like Bonner, but he needs to sit unless it's an emergency.

why do you like bonner? cuz he wears a spurs jersey? come on!

[Borosai]

I like Bonner because he has the right attitude for the team, and I just can't hate on him. But like I said, he needs to sit and be traded.

[Buddy Holly]

Pros for Tolliver: Better passer, better-looking shot, quicker feet defending on the perimeter, and more active around the basket

Pros for Bonner: Stronger, and red hair

Man, this is a tough one. I really like Bonner, but he needs to sit unless it's an emergency.

Stronger? Chubby does not equal strength! :lol

[Buddy Holly]

Bonner, Finley, Vaughn to Chicago for Nocioni??

[Buddy Holly]

The Bulls aren't going anywhere. Finley is a hometown guy... who knows.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I was actually talking about Bonner and JV.nobody wants those two peaces of shit.not even european teams would take them.I'm serius.

Actually you can usually find a team willing to take a veteran steady PG...

Maybe Toronto would want Bonner back, he seemed to be a fan favorite for them.

[Buddy Holly]

I was actually talking about Bonner and JV.nobody wants those two peaces of shit.not even european teams would take them.I'm serius.

Finley
Oberto
JV

for

Nocioni

Parker/Hill
Mason/Manu/Farmer
Nocioni/Bowen/Udoka
Tim/Tolliver/Bonner
Ian/Thomas

[timvp]

I liked what I saw out of Tolliver. He had two passes that were better than anything we've ever seen out of Bonner ... or even Kurt Thomas for that matter.

Defensively his pick and roll defense was actually pretty damn good and he showed a lot of activity. If he can start hitting three-pointers at a 35-37% clip, there's really no reason to ever play Bonner again. Tolliver's basketball IQ is about 500 times higher than Bonner and now Bonner plays so scared that he doesn't hustle as much as he used to.

[Buddy Holly]

Yeah, those two bullet passes to Tim were great.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Don't forget Tolliver's putback on the missed Mason FT....

[timvp]

1-4 sucks but at least RMJ looks good, Hill has had his moments and now Tolliver looks like he can help. If the Spurs can just survive until they get their backcourt healthy, those three young players plus Mahinmi could make this a pretty damn good team.

However that survival part of the equation is going to be tough . . .

[SequSpur]

1-4 sucks but at least RMJ looks good, Hill has had his moments and now Tolliver looks like he can help. If the Spurs can just survive until they get their backcourt healthy, those three young players plus Mahinmi could make this a pretty damn good team.

However that survival part of the equation is going to be tough . . .

I disagree. I don't see any of these players making a legit contribution. Look, just because someone can wear a spurs uniform correctly and is taller than 6 5 and supports Obama doesn't mean the Spurs can win.

Winning is an art which the Spurs lost after Game 7 against the hornets.

Dream on.

[timvp]

I disagree. I don't see any of these players making a legit contribution. Look, just because someone can wear a spurs uniform correctly and is taller than 6 5 and supports Obama doesn't mean the Spurs can win.

Winning is an art which the Spurs lost after Game 7 against the hornets.

Dream on.


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[SequSpur]

Thanks for making my point.

[Buddy Holly]

Thanks for making my point.

That you're basically a angry little person who knows very little about NBA basketball?

[TDMVPDPOY]

his even shit then malik rose....

[underdawg]

Tolliver was the bright spot of this game. Udoka still needs to become more consistent, but he did have a couple of good defensive plays on Wade. I like Farmer's aggression, but he just doesn't look skilled enough to be a consistent scorer - could be he's still trying too hard. I don't think it's a bad idea to waive Farmer and pick up Hairston. If it was that close, why not go with the guy that has more all around skills - Farmer's here to score and he doesn't look like he's going to get it done. Give him a couple more games, but keep Hairston in the pipeline.

[SenorSpur]

Might as well get Hairston on this team NOW and get him some PT.

[jjktkk]

Bonner, Finley, Vaughn to Chicago for Nocioni??

Chicago's not that stupid. Keep dreamin.

[Obstructed_View]

Tolliver looks far better in one game than he did at any time in the preseason. That first pass he made to Duncan was really nice. I'm optimistic about this crew of young guys; they might end up costing the Spurs a few ping pong balls.

[mexicanjunior]

I was impressed with Tolliver tonight, he had a nice release on his jumper and seemed willing to help in the paint (defense and rebounding). Also, I liked that, when he was open, he just took the shot and didn't turn the possession into a passing drill...

[SenorSpur]

Tolliver looked damn good. Better than anything I've ever seen out of Bonner. Those two entry passes into Duncan showed off his BB intelligence. If he can get his shot down consistently, Bonner can collect splinters from here on out or until the Spurs can unload his ass.

Even though we lost this one, and with more losses likely on the horizon in the short term, I can live with seeing the hustle, determination and hunger from the young guys.

[benefactor]

Tolliver looked damn good. Better than anything I've ever seen out of Bonner. Those two entry passes into Duncan showed off his BB intelligence. If he can get his shot down consistently, Bonner can collect splinter from here on out or until the Spurs can unload his ass.

Even though we lost this one, and with more losses likely on the horizon in the short team, I can live with seeing the hustle, determination and hunger from the young guys.
I agree completely...in fact...I have been saying these things about Tolliver since the beginning. A lot of people were saying that he was no better than Bonner and I had trouble understanding that. What I saw on the court was a good hustle player that made smart decisions with the ball when he played within the offense.

I think the biggest problem was that everyone concentrated so much on shooting not being that great that they ignored the other qualities that he brought to the table. As long as he takes good shots in rhythm and continues to do what he did last night he will be solid addition to this front line.

[SenorSpur]

On other thing about Tolliver, is it me or does he look to be at least about 35 years old?

[mrspurs]

What did my boy do when he first got on the court? He faked jacking up a 3 like most of our players do and shoot. He then finds Timmy open for a layup. AT was the only player I saw through out the Summer I knew could play for our team. He made me proud when he passes that ball instead of jacking up that 3. Living from beyond the arc is a slow death in this league.

[MaNu4Tres]

I honestly think they ONLY team that would take Bonner is the Raptors. Maybe Bonner and one of our 2nd rounders for Humphries?

[SenorSpur]

What did my boy do when he first got on the court? He faked jacking up a 3 like most of our players do and shoot. He then finds Timmy open for a layup. AT was the only player I saw through out the Summer I knew could play for our team. He made me proud when he passes that ball instead of jacking up that 3. Living from beyond the arc is a slow death in this league.

When I saw that brillaint pass by Tolliver, I was immediately reminded of a "bone-headed" play that didn't get made by Bonner in the season opener against Dallas. Duncan got behind the Dallas defense in transition and was wide open underneath the basket, calling for the ball. Instead Bonner, who had just received a pass, was setting his feet to shoot a three. He either didn't see Duncan or couldn't react fast enough to make the pass. Again Duncan was WIDE OPEN. Instead, Bonner proceeded to clang the shot off the rim. I cursed him then and now. Good luck picking out your splinters.

[hater]

I agree, I agree. I like Tolliver's effort.

at least Tolliver attempts to block shots

[Avitus1]

Atoll was great tonight. I really like Bonner though, and I think I'd like him even more on a different team....

[m33p0]

that should be the way spurs' offense go for now... hit TD in the middle for an easy deuce. but the other guys on the floor have to show they can hit jumpers. ATol seems to grasp that idea very well. :tu