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Spurs Brazil
11-08-2008, 08:25 AM
Effort from starters leaves Popovich less than thrilled

By Mike Monroe - Express-News After Spurs forward Ime Udoka scored on a breakaway dunk with 2:41 remaining in Friday's game against the Miami Heat at the AT&T Center, first-year Heat coach Erik Spoelstra called a 20-second time out to regroup a team that had seen a 24-point lead shrink to nine, at 89-80.

Spurs coach Gregg Popovich gathered his players around him to set up their defense for the next possession. What he didn't do was put All-Star Tim Duncan, who had played less than a minute of the final period, back on the court in hopes of making a final push.

He had tried that once, he said, to no good effect, and it was one of the reasons he spared no words in criticizing the effort of Friday's starting unit.

“I put Tim, Bruce (Bowen) and Ime (Udoka) in when we cut it the first time in the second half,” Popovich said. “We had about two or three turnovers in a row, and that's when it went back up to 18 or 19, and that's when I took Timmy out and let him sit.”

His starters, he said, had shown none of the competitiveness that has characterized Popovich's Spurs since he became head coach. The lineup Popovich used most of the second half included Roger Mason Jr., rookies George Hill and Anthony Tolliver and second-year man Desmon Farmer. Duncan, Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas split time in the post.

“I enjoyed the hell out of the group we had most of the second half,” Popovich said. “They were fun to watch because they were physical, they competed and they got after it. They took nothing for granted, and that was nice to see. Hopefully, our starters observed that. If they couldn't see it, then they're hiding.”

Tolliver's debut: After a difficult couple of weeks that followed the death of his mother, Donna Lewis, Tolliver made his NBA debut Friday. Though disappointed in the outcome of the game, he was excited to have finally played in his first game in the league.

The rookie from Creighton nailed two 3-point shots, scored eight points, grabbed four rebounds and had three assists in 22 minutes.

“When Pop called my name, I was just determined that he wouldn't regret his decision,” he said. “When I get out there I know I've got to bring energy. That's what I tried to do, to the best of my ability.”

The worldwide leader: In the era of NBA globalization, there is an important addendum to Spurs point guard Tony Parker's 55-point game against the Timberwolves on Wednesday night: It is the highest single-game output by an international player in league history.

Dallas forward Dirk Nowitzki, born in Germany, had the previous high, 53, in a game against Houston on Dec. 2, 2004. Nowitzki scored 51 against Golden State on March 23, 2006.

Houston center Hakeem Olajuwon, born in Nigeria, is the only other international player to crack the 50-point barrier with 52, in an overtime game against Denver on April 19, 1990.

Worth noting: The Spurs matched a club record Friday by attempting 35 3-point shots. Their 14 long-range attempts in the third quarter established a record for 3-point attempts in a single quarter.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Effort_from_starters_leaves_Popovich_less_than_thr illed.html

Mr.Bottomtooth
11-08-2008, 08:40 AM
Hopefully Tolliver can keep it up.

m33p0
11-08-2008, 08:53 AM
“I enjoyed the hell out of the group we had most of the second half,” Popovich said.so did i. though everytime Hill took a jumpshoot, it made me cringe. they should try attacking the rim more.

boutons_
11-08-2008, 09:09 AM
How is Pop thrilled about the non-starters taking 23 3Gs and at 26% (Spurs avg 38%) ??

An admiral debut for Tolliver. If he can keep it up, improve, learn the system, I'd like to see him as first big off the bench.

Tolliver gets 3 AST when the Spurs are shooting 38%? excellent.

SequSpur
11-08-2008, 09:12 AM
Pop is obviously just like any other shitty coach when his 3 guys are out.

Mr. Body
11-08-2008, 09:12 AM
Effort from front office leaves Mr. Body less than thrilled.

Aggie Hoopsfan
11-08-2008, 09:22 AM
The shitty thing is, Finley was giving all he had. He just sucks.

benefactor
11-08-2008, 09:23 AM
Tolliver is learning quickly. I was incredibly impressed at his heady play when he chose to pass on a 3 that Bonner might have jacked up to hit Duncan in the post. He will be very good in lineups where he plays PF and Duncan is at the C surrounded by scorers.

Its hard to see the potential in this team when we have 2 out of our 3 best players out, but there is not doubt it is there. The infusion of youth we have been looking for is happening, and if we can somehow keep things within a couple of games of .500 until we get everyone healthy I think we can still make it happen. If this had happened after the All-Star break, then I would be inclined to hang it up until next year...but its early and there is plenty of time to make up ground.

byrontx
11-08-2008, 09:25 AM
I enjoyed the young guys hustle but nobody ever even tried to penetrate. At times it looked like they were playing Hot Potato.

SenorSpur
11-08-2008, 09:34 AM
I enjoyed the young guys hustle but nobody ever even tried to penetrate. At times it looked like they were playing Hot Potato.

Farmer was the only one who bothered to try and slash to the hole. He found his path to the basket repeatedly blocked.

SenorSpur
11-08-2008, 09:35 AM
The shitty thing is, Finley was giving all he had. He just sucks.

In terms of being an effective contributor on a game-to-game basis, it's been over for Finley for about 2 years.

mrspurs
11-08-2008, 09:48 AM
Effort from front office leaves Mr. Body less than thrilled.

Get use to it. Cos until Mr. Holt starts to trust someone other then the main guys in his FO its not gonna change. Its been a trend like this for 3 years now. We got some very lucky pics with TP and Manu. That luck has run its course and will continue to run its course until one day everyones name changes. The Fans will still be around and all we can hope for is the names we get are names that contend during games and seasons.

SenorSpur
11-08-2008, 10:10 AM
Tolliver is learning quickly. I was incredibly impressed at his heady play when he chose to pass on a 3 that Bonner might have jacked up to hit Duncan in the post. He will be very good in lineups where he plays PF and Duncan is at the C surrounded by scorers.
Imagine a future frontline of Tolliver, Gist and Ian to go along with Duncan, and perhaps another big (draft of FA).

The infusion of youth we have been looking for is happening, and if we can somehow keep things within a couple of games of .500 until we get everyone healthy I think we can still make it happen.
That's a good thing. If we're going to suck in the short term, may as well do so with the youngsters. For the long term, there's no reward for mediocrity. That's the last thing I want the Spurs to be this season. They need to be really, really good or really, really bad. By really bad, I mean lottery bound. Since they traded away their 1st round pick (with lottery protection I presume), getting a mid-to-lower-lottery pick would likely be just the tonic they need to restack the roster and get back on track. Probably even better than this so-called 2010 plan.

Avitus1
11-08-2008, 11:58 AM
The young guys are doing great I have no idea whats up with the vets lately.

benefactor
11-08-2008, 12:24 PM
That's a good thing. If we're going to suck in the short term, may as well do so with the youngsters. For the long term, there's no reward for mediocrity. That's the last thing I want the Spurs to be this season. They need to be really, really good or really, really bad. By really bad, I mean lottery bound. Since they traded away their 1st round pick (with lottery protection I presume), getting a mid-to-lower-lottery pick would likely be just the tonic they need to restack the roster and get back on track. Probably even better than this so-called 2010 plan.
I hear ya man...but looking at the writing on the wall right now suggests that we are probably going to wind up somewhere in the middle. No matter how much it is suggested by us there is no realistic chance of us being really bad or tanking the season. With a healthy Duncan and the young players we will probably play just well enough to be .500 or just under until we get back to full strength.

Our hope this season is probably going to rest on a run similar to what the Rockets had in 94-95. If everyone is healthy and we can make some kind of move to provide help at C then we could sneak in at a 6th or 7th seed and still pull of what some would see as improbable.

Manufan909
11-08-2008, 12:26 PM
Hope this took off Pop's rose colored glasses, if he wants offense, Finley is an even worse choice than Bowen to put in. I hope that JV, Fin, Tony, Manu, and Ian sit next game, just divide guard duty between Mason, Farmer, and Hill give them all 30+ minutes(40+ for Mason), and play Bowen and Ime a little more, so Fin doesn't see playing time.

I also loved the lineup of Hill, Farmer, Mason, Toll, and Fab. Glad Pop saw it too.

ElNono
11-08-2008, 12:39 PM
The kids are going to make mistakes, because they are kids and they're developing. What a better time to get them up to speed than now? They had hunger and energy, something the starters did not. All those drives that Farmer got blocked are more important to me than Fin clanking J after J without moving the ball. Farmer will learn and adjust. Eventually he'll know when to finish and when to kick it out. But we need the penetration to break down the defense, and we need the energy and hunger these guys have.
I will argue that besides the PPG we miss from Ginobili, the biggest impact from him is the energy he brings to the team. It's been missing for 3 out of 5 games, and it's been really noticeable.

hater
11-08-2008, 12:57 PM
“I enjoyed the hell out of the group we had most of the second half,” Popovich said. “They were fun to watch because they were physical, they competed and they got after it. They took nothing for granted, and that was nice to see. Hopefully, our starters observed that. If they couldn't see it, then they're hiding.”

this is exactly what I was thinking

Manufan909
11-08-2008, 01:06 PM
IF he meant that quote fully hater, he better fucking play Finley less minutes than any other guard/SF. Bowen has been significantly on offense. bowen is 4-9, Fin is 11-41. Open your fucking eyes, Pop. Look at the damn stats, and play those who actually score, maybe then Fin would be benched, permamently.

Also, I'll be dissapointed if I see more of the same against the Knicks and Bucks. I want the energy unit of Hill, Mason, Farmer/Ime, Toll, and Fab. It's been too long since I could say the Spurs had that kind of choice. Last year the "energy" team would've been Tony, Manu, Barry, Ime, Tim, and Fab? Fucking 4 of them were 30-31 at the time.