Duncan in Robinson's world now

[ulosturedge]

Duncan needs to put the team on his shoulders now if they want to have any chance of winning games while Manu and Tony are out. He needs to take over. No more playing the system.

[m33p0]

i have to agree. spurs need to shelve that system for now. learn on the fly. might be a good idea if duncan relaxes on defense and concentrate on scoring... alot. motion offense is the way to go. can't have duncan posting up coz he'll be doubled/tripled immediately. rebounding and scoring, that's TD's job for now.

[timvp]

Actually, Robinson had some even worse supporting casts than what the Spurs till have healthy. And some people wonder why he didn't win championships with those rosters :lol

But yeah, good observation :tu

[Biggems]

Actually, Robinson had some even worse supporting casts than what the Spurs till have healthy. And some people wonder why he didn't win championships with those rosters :lol

But yeah, good observation :tu

come on now.....no way is Mason better than Jaren freakin Jackson or Vinnie del Fuego.....:lmao

Derrick Dial and Sweet Pea were better than anyone the Spurs can currently bring off the bench.....:lmao

[Obstructed_View]

I'd be really interested in someone naming a team during Robinson's run that's worse than the one the Spurs have right now.

[tlongII]

I'd be really interested in someone naming a team during Robinson's run that's worse than the one the Spurs have right now.

Yeah, I'm afraid timvp went a little overboard on that one. :lol

[ulosturedge]

Sorry I just really hate when people bash Robinson for never being able to win a Championship on his own. One thing Robinson was able to do was score night in and night out even with double teams tossed at him.

Anyways, considering the situation we are in we need Duncan to take the initiative now and set the tone for everyone else. Duncan can't be all unselfish anymore. The young guys aren't ready to take all of Tonys and Manu's shots. If he takes lead and sets the example i'm sure they will feed of him and follow suit.

Also can't help but reiterate that we need another big man to establish some defense presence for us. Our defense is like non existent right now. Its so sad to see...

[Cry Havoc]

At least when David was on the Spurs, we had a real point guard. And a player who could knock down the trey.

The Spurs right now have Tim Duncan, and that's it. Do you people realize that, as of now, Ime Udoka is probably our second best player?

[tp2021]

Mason, then Udoka.

[toki9]

Spurs Roster:

1989-90 (56W-26L):
David Robinson, Terry Cummings, Willie Anderson, Sean Elliott, Maurice Cheeks, David Wingate, Frank Brickowski, Rod Strickland, Vernon Maxwell, Caldwell Jones, Johnny Moore, Zarko Paspalj, Reggie Williams, Chris Welp, Uwe Blab, Jeff Lebo

1990-91 (55-27):
Robinson, Cummings, Anderson, Elliott, Strickland, Paul Pressey, Sidney Green, Avery Johnson, Dave Greenwood, Sean Higgins, Reggie Williams, Dwayne Schintzius, David Wingate, Tony Massenburg, Byron Dinkins, Clifford Lett, Pete Myers

1991-92 (47-35):
Robinson, Cummings, Anderson, Elliott, Strickland, Antoine Carr, Vinnie Johnson, Sidney Green, Donald Royal, Greg Sutton, Trent Tucker, Paul Pressey, Avery Johnson, Tom Garrick, Tom Copa, Jud Buechler, Sean Higgins, Morlon Wiley, Tony Massenburg, Steve Bardo

1992-93 (49-33):
Robinson, Cummings, Anderson, Elliott, AJ, Dale Ellis, Antoine Carr, Lloyd Daniels, JR Reid, Vinny Del Negro, David Wood, Sam Mack, Larry Smith, Sidney Green, William Bedord, Matt Othick

1993-94 (55-27):
Robinson, Cummings, Anderson, Dale Ellis, Del Negro, JR Reid, Negele Knight, Lloyd Daniels, Dennis Rodman, Sleepy Floyd, Antoine Carr, Christ Whitney, Jack Haley, Chuck Nevitt

1994-95 (62-20):
Robinson, Cummings, Anderson, Elliott, AJ, Del Negro, Chuck Person, JR Reid, Rodman, Doc Rivers, Jack Haley, Moses Malone, Chris Whitney, Howard Eisley, Corey Crowder

1995-96 (59-23):
Robinson, Elliott, AJ, Del Negro, Chuck Person, Will Perdue, Doc Rivers, Charles Smith, JR Reid, Cory Alexander, Brad Lohaus, Carl Herrera, Greg Anderson, Dell Demps, Monty Williams

1996-97 (20-62):
Robinson, Elliott, AJ, Del Negro, Dominique Wilkins, Vernon Maxwell, Carl Herrera, Monty Williams, Cory Alexander, Will Perdue, Greg Anderson, Jamie Feick, Charles Smith, Stephen Howard, Jason Sasser, Joe Courtney, Gaylon Nickerson, Devin Gray, Darrin Hancock, Tim Kempton

[Bartleby]

Anybody who says they tanked the 96-97 season needs to actually look at that roster. That supporting cast was terrible.

[toki9]

Anybody who says they tanked the 96-97 season needs to actually look at that roster. That supporting cast was terrible.

What about '92-'93? Can't believe we won as many games as we did...

[Cry Havoc]

The point should also be made that the West, while pretty good during the Robinson era, is now better than it has ever been. It might be the deepest/best conference in the history of sports, as far as good teams with the ability to make deep playoff runs go. This Houston team would have been dominant in the 90s. So would the Jazz, Lakers, Hornets... I mean, take your pick. It takes a very very good team just to be the 8 seed in the West right now.

[Brutalis]

^Mind you that 20-62 season Robinson played what 12 or 17 games? We signed Dom to try and save face and that went real well huh. Robinson played those games even injured.

Robinson was used to doing things without having star support, Timmy is not. Screw primes.. it's just Duncan is not able to at this point in his career just carry this weak Spurs team like DRob did regular back in the 90s. I'm sure he will do well stat wise but I have serious doubt we make .500 until the injury bug is bored and finds a new team to fuck with. We've been pretty lucky compared to most teams.

[polandprzem]

TD is a system player, so he needs time to find himself in new reality.

[Quasar]

Great observation - that's a great analogy :D Hahahaa.. let's see Duncan go for 71 points now! Duncan leading the league in rebounds/blocks! Duncan...

Heh.. I love Duncan, but I do think the comparisons between Duncan and Robinson were quite unfair to The Admiral - his supporting cast was much worse than the current Spurs. Heck - Hill already seems to be better than Avery ever was!

[hater]

Duncan needs to have MVP #s for the rest of November or we are going to find Spurs in last place in the LEAGUE

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Spurs Roster:

1989-90 (56W-26L):
David Robinson, Terry Cummings, Willie Anderson, Sean Elliott, Maurice Cheeks, David Wingate, Frank Brickowski, Rod Strickland, Vernon Maxwell, Caldwell Jones, Johnny Moore, Zarko Paspalj, Reggie Williams, Chris Welp, Uwe Blab, Jeff Lebo

1990-91 (55-27):
Robinson, Cummings, Anderson, Elliott, Strickland, Paul Pressey, Sidney Green, Avery Johnson, Dave Greenwood, Sean Higgins, Reggie Williams, Dwayne Schintzius, David Wingate, Tony Massenburg, Byron Dinkins, Clifford Lett, Pete Myers

1991-92 (47-35):
Robinson, Cummings, Anderson, Elliott, Strickland, Antoine Carr, Vinnie Johnson, Sidney Green, Donald Royal, Greg Sutton, Trent Tucker, Paul Pressey, Avery Johnson, Tom Garrick, Tom Copa, Jud Buechler, Sean Higgins, Morlon Wiley, Tony Massenburg, Steve Bardo

1992-93 (49-33):
Robinson, Cummings, Anderson, Elliott, AJ, Dale Ellis, Antoine Carr, Lloyd Daniels, JR Reid, Vinny Del Negro, David Wood, Sam Mack, Larry Smith, Sidney Green, William Bedord, Matt Othick

1993-94 (55-27):
Robinson, Cummings, Anderson, Dale Ellis, Del Negro, JR Reid, Negele Knight, Lloyd Daniels, Dennis Rodman, Sleepy Floyd, Antoine Carr, Christ Whitney, Jack Haley, Chuck Nevitt

1994-95 (62-20):
Robinson, Cummings, Anderson, Elliott, AJ, Del Negro, Chuck Person, JR Reid, Rodman, Doc Rivers, Jack Haley, Moses Malone, Chris Whitney, Howard Eisley, Corey Crowder

1995-96 (59-23):
Robinson, Elliott, AJ, Del Negro, Chuck Person, Will Perdue, Doc Rivers, Charles Smith, JR Reid, Cory Alexander, Brad Lohaus, Carl Herrera, Greg Anderson, Dell Demps, Monty Williams

1996-97 (20-62):
Robinson, Elliott, AJ, Del Negro, Dominique Wilkins, Vernon Maxwell, Carl Herrera, Monty Williams, Cory Alexander, Will Perdue, Greg Anderson, Jamie Feick, Charles Smith, Stephen Howard, Jason Sasser, Joe Courtney, Gaylon Nickerson, Devin Gray, Darrin Hancock, Tim Kempton


And you can actually cross through TC's name on those later years because he may have been on the roster but his role became extremely limited due to his knee injuries.

The '95-'96 year sticks out as amazing in that they were able to win 59 games with that roster. Elliott is easily our second best player and he was already being bothered by kidney issues. Robinson's back was already giving him problems and he still carried that sad sack bunch to 59 wins.

Robinson was a beast.

[Brazil]

Duncan needs to have MVP #s for the rest of November or we are going to find Spurs in last place in the LEAGUE


I would say Duncan with MVP numbers, Mason with MIP numbers and Bonner with.... euh... numbers

[usckk]

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[mrspurs]

The point should also be made that the West, while pretty good during the Robinson era, is now better than it has ever been. It might be the deepest/best conference in the history of sports, as far as good teams with the ability to make deep playoff runs go. This Houston team would have been dominant in the 90s. So would the Jazz, Lakers, Hornets... I mean, take your pick. It takes a very very good team just to be the 8 seed in the West right now.

That is the most important key to it all. Not only in the west but in the east.

[Obstructed_View]

The '95-'96 year sticks out as amazing in that they were able to win 59 games with that roster. Elliott is easily our second best player and he was already being bothered by kidney issues. Robinson's back was already giving him problems and he still carried that sad sack bunch to 59 wins.

Robinson was a beast.
Robinson was indeed great that year, and should have been MVP, however Elliott was an all-star that year and AJ was the second best point guard in the league behind Stockton. They had a lot of good role players as well.

[Phenomanul]

Robinson was indeed great that year, and should have been MVP, however Elliott was an all-star that year and AJ was the second best point guard in the league behind Stockton. They had a lot of good role players as well.

:wow

That year Gary Payton >>> Jason Kidd >>>>>> Van Exel >> Kevin Johnson >>Avery....

[timvp]

I'd be really interested in someone naming a team during Robinson's run that's worse than the one the Spurs have right now.I'm not talking full season but Robinson won plenty of games with a worse supporting cast than Duncan has healthy right now. If you want boxscores, I'll post 'em.


AJ was the second best point guard in the league behind Stockton.Whoa.

I might be the biggest AJ homer on the planet but no way AJ was ever the second best point guard in the league. No way he was ever a top five point guard in the league.

AJ's absolute prime was when he single-handedly owned Kidd, Nash and KJ in that '98 Suns series ... but even that was too small of a sample size to claim he was a top point guard in the league.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm not talking full season but Robinson won plenty of games with a worse supporting cast than Duncan has healthy right now. If you want boxscores, I'll post 'em.
Not that I don't believe you, but if you have a boxscore handy, I'd be interested in it just for the sake of advancing the conversation.


Whoa.

I might be the biggest AJ homer on the planet but no way AJ was ever the second best point guard in the league. No way he was ever a top five point guard in the league.

AJ's absolute prime was when he single-handedly owned Kidd, Nash and KJ in that '98 Suns series ... but even that was too small of a sample size to claim he was a top point guard in the league.

Yeah, okay, you caught me in a weak moment. But he was third in the league in assists that year and his assist to turnover ratio was pretty darn good; WAY better than Kidd's. His defensive and scoring numbers were probably way behind other guys, but from a pure running the offense/facilitating standpoint he was pretty good during that stretch.