The night we waved goodbye to America

[DarrinS]

The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084111/PETER-HITCHENS-The-night-waved-goodbye-America--best-hope-Earth.html)


Anyone would think we had just elected a hip, skinny and youthful replacement for God, with a plan to modernise Heaven and Hell – or that at the very least John Lennon had come back from the dead.

The swooning frenzy over the choice of Barack Obama as President of the United States must be one of the most absurd waves of self-deception and swirling fantasy ever to sweep through an advanced civilisation. At least Mandela-worship – its nearest equivalent – is focused on a man who actually did something.

I really don’t see how the Obama devotees can ever in future mock the Moonies, the Scientologists or people who claim to have been abducted in flying saucers. This is a cult like the one which grew up around Princess Diana, bereft of reason and hostile to facts.

It already has all the signs of such a thing. The newspapers which recorded Obama’s victory have become valuable relics. You may buy Obama picture books and Obama calendars and if there isn’t yet a children’s picture version of his story, there soon will be.

Proper books, recording his sordid associates, his cowardly voting record, his astonishingly militant commitment to unrestricted abortion and his blundering trip to Africa, are little-read and hard to find.

If you can believe that this undistinguished and conventionally Left-wing machine politician is a sort of secular saviour, then you can believe anything. He plainly doesn’t believe it himself. His cliche-stuffed, PC clunker of an acceptance speech suffered badly from nerves. It was what you would expect from someone who knew he’d promised too much and that from now on the easy bit was over.

He needn’t worry too much. From now on, the rough boys and girls of America’s Democratic Party apparatus, many recycled from Bill Clinton’s stained and crumpled entourage, will crowd round him, to collect the rich spoils of his victory and also tell him what to do, which is what he is used to.

Just look at his sermon by the shores of Lake Michigan. He really did talk about a ‘new dawn’, and a ‘timeless creed’ (which was ‘yes, we can’). He proclaimed that ‘change has come’. He revealed that, despite having edited the Harvard Law Review, he doesn’t know what ‘enormity’ means. He reached depths of oratorical drivel never even plumbed by our own Mr Blair, burbling about putting our hands on the arc of history (or was it the ark of history?) and bending it once more toward the hope of a better day (Don’t try this at home).

I am not making this up. No wonder that awful old hack Jesse Jackson sobbed as he watched. How he must wish he, too, could get away with this sort of stuff.

And it was interesting how the President-elect failed to lift his admiring audience by repeated – but rather hesitant – invocations of the brainless slogan he was forced by his minders to adopt against his will – ‘Yes, we can’. They were supposed to thunder ‘Yes, we can!’ back at him, but they just wouldn’t join in. No wonder. Yes we can what exactly? Go home and keep a close eye on the tax rate, is my advice. He’d have been better off bursting into ‘I’d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony’ which contains roughly the same message and might have attracted some valuable commercial sponsorship.

Perhaps, being a Chicago crowd, they knew some of the things that 52.5 per cent of America prefers not to know. They know Obama is the obedient servant of one of the most squalid and unshakeable political machines in America. They know that one of his alarmingly close associates, a state-subsidised slum landlord called Tony Rezko, has been convicted on fraud and corruption charges.

They also know the US is just as segregated as it was before Martin Luther King – in schools, streets, neighbourhoods, holidays, even in its TV-watching habits and its choice of fast-food joint. The difference is that it is now done by unspoken agreement rather than by law.

If Mr Obama’s election had threatened any of that, his feel-good white supporters would have scuttled off and voted for John McCain, or practically anyone. But it doesn’t. Mr Obama, thanks mainly to the now-departed grandmother he alternately praised as a saint and denounced as a racial bigot, has the huge advantages of an expensive private education. He did not have to grow up in the badlands of useless schools, shattered families and gangs which are the lot of so many young black men of his generation.

If the nonsensical claims made for this election were true, then every positive discrimination programme aimed at helping black people into jobs they otherwise wouldn’t get should be abandoned forthwith. Nothing of the kind will happen. On the contrary, there will probably be more of them.

And if those who voted for Obama were all proving their anti-racist nobility, that presumably means that those many millions who didn’t vote for him were proving themselves to be hopeless bigots. This is obviously untrue.

I was in Washington DC the night of the election. America’s beautiful capital has a sad secret. It is perhaps the most racially divided city in the world, with 15th Street – which runs due north from the White House – the unofficial frontier between black and white. But, like so much of America, it also now has a new division, and one which is in many ways much more important. I had attended an election-night party in a smart and liberal white area, but was staying the night less than a mile away on the edge of a suburb where Spanish is spoken as much as English, plus a smattering of tongues from such places as Ethiopia, Somalia and Afghanistan.

As I walked, I crossed another of Washington’s secret frontiers. There had been a few white people blowing car horns and shouting, as the result became clear. But among the Mexicans, Salvadorans and the other Third World nationalities, there was something like ecstasy.

They grasped the real significance of this moment. They knew it meant that America had finally switched sides in a global cultural war. Forget the Cold War, or even the Iraq War. The United States, having for the most part a deeply conservative people, had until now just about stood out against many of the mistakes which have ruined so much of the rest of the world.

Suspicious of welfare addiction, feeble justice and high taxes, totally committed to preserving its own national sovereignty, unabashedly Christian in a world part secular and part Muslim, suspicious of the Great Global Warming panic, it was unique.

These strengths had been fading for some time, mainly due to poorly controlled mass immigration and to the march of political correctness. They had also been weakened by the failure of America’s conservative party – the Republicans – to fight on the cultural and moral fronts.

They preferred to posture on the world stage. Scared of confronting Left-wing teachers and sexual revolutionaries at home, they could order soldiers to be brave on their behalf in far-off deserts. And now the US, like Britain before it, has begun the long slow descent into the Third World. How sad. Where now is our last best hope on Earth?

[boutons_]

Total crap, but from Darrin, nothing but crap is expected.

[ChumpDumper]

Man, your butts must really hurt.

[DarrinS]

Evidently, the article has struck a nerve. The same nerve that gives Chris Mathhews a "thrill up his leg".

[ChumpDumper]

I would have had to have read it for it to strike a nerve.

[clambake]

i didn't read it either. can you break it down into a few small sentences?

[TheMadHatter]

I wouldn't expect anything better from Darrin. This is one of the worst written articles I've ever read. The sad thing is Darrin actually voted Obama.

[clambake]

no he didn't.

[Lackluster]

i didn't read it either. can you break it down into a few small sentences?

here are some of my favorite excerpts:


just elected a hip, skinny and youthful replacement for God

swooning frenzy

the Moonies, the Scientologists or people who claim to have been abducted in flying saucers

You may buy Obama picture books and Obama calendars and if there isn’t yet a children’s picture version of his story, there soon will be.

his astonishingly militant commitment to unrestricted abortion

undistinguished and conventionally Left-wing machine


tell him what to do, which is what he is used to.

depths of oratorical drivel

brainless slogan

Tony Rezko

the US is just as segregated as it was before Martin Luther King

He did not have to grow up in the badlands of useless schools, shattered families and gangs which are the lot of so many young black men of his generation.

:blah:lol

more of the same tbh.

[bobbyjoe]

If you read this article closely, there's an alarming level of bigotry and racist overtones. In many instances, the author isn't even feigning an attempt to be subtle.

Thank God we have moved past the era of ignorance and narrow-mindedness that this article longs for.

[Nbadan]

What da you expect from Darrin and Peter Hitchens?

[TheMadHatter]

I'm so glad these nutjobs are no longer in power. It feels good to know that America is being led by competent people once again.

[PixelPusher]

or that at the very least John Lennon had come back from the dead.

Another baby boomer stuck in the 60's culture war. I'm all for waving goodbye to that.

[LnGrrrR]

I love the claim that the US is just as segregated now by "unspoken agreement" if not by law. Uhmm even if that WERE the case (which it isn't), is it not better that people have the choice? I thought that's what Republicans are for? :0

[Warlord23]

This is a new low, even for Darrin

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm dummer for reading it. Thanks Darrin.

[Anti.Hero]

Another baby boomer stuck in the 60's culture war. I'm all for waving goodbye to that.

lmao man I love your youtube sig. :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[xrayzebra]

If you read this article closely, there's an alarming level of bigotry and racist overtones. In many instances, the author isn't even feigning an attempt to be subtle.

Thank God we have moved past the era of ignorance and narrow-mindedness that this article longs for.
Unless you are a conservative Republican, then drop dead.

[CuckingFunt]

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I heart "Get Your War On," but it's oddly creepy when animated.

[SnakeBoy]

It feels good to know that America is being led by competent people once again.

:lmao

Yeah, It's gonna be great.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/394180610_61fe188cff_o.jpg

[DarrinS]

For this article to elicit such hostile responses, there must be at least a grain of truth to it.


For example, the following may be his opinion, but it seems spot on IMO. It's also pretty damn funny.


I really don’t see how the Obama devotees can ever in future mock the Moonies, the Scientologists or people who claim to have been abducted in flying saucers. This is a cult like the one which grew up around Princess Diana, bereft of reason and hostile to facts.




The part that I'm really afraid could be true is this:


If you can believe that this undistinguished and conventionally Left-wing machine politician is a sort of secular saviour, then you can believe anything. He plainly doesn’t believe it himself. His cliche-stuffed, PC clunker of an acceptance speech suffered badly from nerves. It was what you would expect from someone who knew he’d promised too much and that from now on the easy bit was over.

He needn’t worry too much. From now on, the rough boys and girls of America’s Democratic Party apparatus, many recycled from Bill Clinton’s stained and crumpled entourage, will crowd round him, to collect the rich spoils of his victory and also tell him what to do, which is what he is used to.

[Oh, Gee!!]

oh noes, we elected a black man!!! we're all gonna die!!

[ChumpDumper]

This is a cult like the one which grew up around Princess Diana, bereft of reason and hostile to facts. :lol You voted for him.
He needn’t worry too much. From now on, the rough boys and girls of America’s Democratic Party apparatus, many recycled from Bill Clinton’s stained and crumpled entourage, will crowd round him, to collect the rich spoils of his victory and also tell him what to do, which is what he is used to.Better than Bush's puppetmasters.

[Cry Havoc]

For this article to elicit such hostile responses, there must be at least a grain of truth to it.

Now, that's an accurate statement if I've ever heard one. :lmao

[MaryAnnKilledGinger]

For this article to elicit such hostile responses, there must be at least a grain of truth to it.

Translation: Ha! Ha! Made you look!

[RandomGuy]

Evidently, the article has struck a nerve.

Meh.
I pretty much knew what I would find when I clicked, and the stilted op-ed piece merits little response.

"bla bla bla, I hate Obama, bla bla bla." :sleep

[Wild Cobra]

oh noes, we elected a black man!!! we're all gonna die!!

ASSume as you like. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin, but the content of his charactor. MLK must be turning in his grave.

[ChumpDumper]

MLK would be fine with Obama, idiot.

[Dark Gable]

MLK would be fine with Obama, idiot.

word.

[Wild Cobra]

MLK would be fine with Obama, idiot.

Bullshit. MLK was more conservative than liberal. He would cringe at Obama's associations.

[ChumpDumper]

Bullshit. MLK was more conservative than liberal.Bullshit. You have no idea what you are talking about.

As usual.

Get back to us once you've read about the Poor People's Campaign.

Or don't read about it and just shut up.

[Wild Cobra]

Bullshit. You have no idea what you are talking about.

As usual.

Get back to us once you've read about the Poor People's Campaign.

Or don't read about it and just shut up.

He was a liberal of the time. If you recall, I have called myself a 'classic liberal' before. By today's standards, we is more conservative. He believed in equal treatment under the law and working hard with proper compensation. He wanted limited retributive payments that were not race dependant. Nothing excessive, and we went beyond his wildest dreams in that regard. Far more than the $50 billion he wanted. He invoked God often. Something today’s liberal rarely, if ever, do.


"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.'"
Liberals twist the constitution. MLK only wants the constitution to do as it says. Like all conservatives do.


"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Conservatives believe far more in character than liberals do. It is all too obvious.

Say as you will. As a conservative libertarian, I consider him a brother. Today's liberals are authoritarian. They either abuse athority, or want more authority and regulations. MLK would not be a liberal by today's standards. Todfays democrat party is far from the liberties he believe in.

[ChumpDumper]

By today's standards, we is more conservative.Is we?

[ChumpDumper]

BTW, MLK would be demanding $300 billion today.

[MaryAnnKilledGinger]

Conservatives believe far more in character than liberals do. It is all too obvious.

:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

Jack Abramoff
Claude Allen
Lester Crawford
Randy Cunningham
Tom DeLay
Brian Doyle
Mark Foley
Bill Frist
Dennis Hastert
Bob Ney
Tom Noe
Tony Rudy
Lewis "Scooter" Libby
David Safavian
Mike Scanlon
Ted Stephens
James Tobin

Pillars of higher character, one and all.

[Wild Cobra]

:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

Jack Abramoff
Claude Allen
Lester Crawford
Randy Cunningham
Tom DeLay
Brian Doyle
Mark Foley
Bill Frist
Dennis Hastert
Bob Ney
Tom Noe
Tony Rudy
Lewis "Scooter" Libby
David Safavian
Mike Scanlon
Ted Stephens
James Tobin

Pillars of higher character, one and all.


Please get a clue. Very few of them are conservative. Besides, do politicians count?

Do you even know what a conserative is? Most republican politicians are not conservatives!

[LnGrrrR]

Please get a clue. Very few of them are conservative. Besides, do politicians count?

Do you even know what a conserative is? Most republican politicians are not conservatives!

I love the "No True Scotsman" fallacy! It's the best.

[ducks]

What da you expect from Darrin and Peter Hitchens?
what do you expect from new york times and cnn

[PixelPusher]

mlk was to the left of obama fo sho

MLK's advocacy for civil rights put him in direct opposition to the conservative stance on state's rights. (wait's for WC's head to go all Linda Blair on everyone)

[Wild Cobra]

MLK's advocacy for civil rights put him in direct opposition to the conservative stance on state's rights. (wait's for WC's head to go all Linda Blair on everyone)

If you have followed my remarks, I made the clear distiction that he was a liberal then, but a conservative by today's standards, and that I am a classic liberal.

Were you alive in the 60's? Were your parents even alive in the 60's?

[LnGrrrR]

Wild Cobra, how do you define conservative? Because, frankly, your definition of conservative is probably not the 'working' usage of the term anymore.

[DarrinS]

All I know is I'm getting sick of the JFK comparisons.


"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." -- this is DEFINITELY NOT part of the Obama Doctrine.


Also, JFK was a major HAWK, had military experience, was more travelled, ... should I continue?


JFK was a conservative.

[MaryAnnKilledGinger]

JFK was a conservative.
You all keep using that word. I dunna think it means whatcho think it means.

[DarrinS]

You all keep using that word. I dunna think it means whatcho think it means.


What do you think it means?

Sincerely,

ChumpDumper

[Wild Cobra]

Wild Cobra, how do you define conservative? Because, frankly, your definition of conservative is probably not the 'working' usage of the term anymore.

I see the term as more of a relative meaning. It also varies by the topic, weather economic, social, etc. There is no static meaning. That is why things changed in the past through what was considered liberal can be considered conservative today. Maintaining the idea that we treat people by their character rather than prejudice was a radical idea of the time. However, it is rather common today. Smoking pot in the 60's was radical. However, you think us conservative want to give such a gift from God up, just because we now call ourselves conservative rather than liberal?

Conservative doesn't mean some stuffy idea that never changes. It is more to the point that we don't want change until the full impact of such a change can be thought out enough to be comfortable with it. When it comes to social policies for example, where have they worked? Has the poverty rate made any large decrease since we started social programs? It is a failed policy. If we ended most social programs, most people on programs would get off their duffs, and we would still have poverty at about the same rate we do today. Never wanted by conservatives then, and not wanted now, because we see no positive side to it.

Liberal policies tend to be more 'touchy feely' whereas conservative policies tend to be more logical, and seen as cold blooded. It's not that we are cold blooded, we just want policies that will succeed rather than waste money, resources, and time.

Being racist in the 60's was considered conservative. It was maintaining the status quo. The status quo for long time now is that all races do succeed. It is still based on merit, or character. Not skin color. It is now a conservative viewpoint to reward those who succeed of any color by merit. Affirmative action is not a conservative view because it forces quotas, often to requiring the use of people who are less qualified over more qualified individual.

I better stop here. This is getting off topic.

[Wild Cobra]

All I know is I'm getting sick of the JFK comparisons.


"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." -- this is DEFINITELY NOT part of the Obama Doctrine.


Also, JFK was a major HAWK, had military experience, was more travelled, ... should I continue?


JFK was a conservative.
I too, get sick, when people try to compare Obama to JFK. I cannot believe how naive they are.

[LnGrrrR]

Conservative doesn't mean some stuffy idea that never changes. It is more to the point that we don't want change until the full impact of such a change can be thought out enough to be comfortable with it. When it comes to social policies for example, where have they worked? Has the poverty rate made any large decrease since we started social programs? It is a failed policy. If we ended most social programs, most people on programs would get off their duffs, and we would still have poverty at about the same rate we do today. Never wanted by conservatives then, and not wanted now, because we see no positive side to it.

I better stop here. This is getting off topic.

Honestly, I do not think that is the definition of conservative nowadays. Let's point out some issues in which so-called 'conservatives' have broke from this tradition.

Abstinence-based sex ed - Proven not to work
War on Drugs - Proven not to work
Trickle-down economics - Arguably can be shown not to work


Those are just off the top of my head. Not to mention the lack of agreement with the majority of the scientific community on two big topics, global warming and evolution. Would you call it 'conservative' to disagree with the majority of the scientific community?

[implacable44]

:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

Jack Abramoff
Claude Allen
Lester Crawford
Randy Cunningham
Tom DeLay
Brian Doyle
Mark Foley
Bill Frist
Dennis Hastert
Bob Ney
Tom Noe
Tony Rudy
Lewis "Scooter" Libby
David Safavian
Mike Scanlon
Ted Stephens
James Tobin

Pillars of higher character, one and all.

barney franks
dodd
charlie rangel
biden
kennedy
we can play this game all day.

[MaryAnnKilledGinger]

barney franks
dodd
charlie rangel
biden
kennedy
we can play this game all day.

You mean the game where all the names I listed are criminals and all your names are just people you don't like?

I'm not the one claiming that one political sect has better moral character than the other.

[implacable44]

You mean the game where all the names I listed are criminals and all your names are just people you don't like?

I'm not the one claiming that one political sect has better moral character than the other.

yeah...sure. kennedy should be in prison for negligent homicide..charlie rangel..mr. ethics should be in jail as well with his violations and defense of ignorance? retard. franks with his gay lover....dodd with his countrywide financed mortgage..the hypocrisy is endless with you freaking libtards.

[MaryAnnKilledGinger]

yeah...sure. kennedy should be in prison for negligent homicide..charlie rangel..mr. ethics should be in jail as well with his violations and defense of ignorance? retard. franks with his gay lover....dodd with his countrywide financed mortgage..the hypocrisy is endless with you freaking libtards.

Are you upset because your guys are just as corrupt as the liberal boneheads you've listed, or are you upset because the liberal ones were too smart to get caught and your guys couldn't even slide under the radar during eight years of a Republican political orgy?

You really shouldn't worry. I'm sure your guys will all be pardoned in a month or so.

[kwhitegocubs]

Heh, well I would say that the Republican scandals have been considerably more numerous. That doesn't excuse the Democratic scandals, either, but both sides should be arguing the issues rather than pointing out individuals worthy of scorn and attributing their ethical malaise to the whole of either side. If you go by proportion of scandal and criminal behavior, it would likely show the Republicans to be the most ethically bankrupt. So? I really don't think it is that important.

Also, Chappaquiddick, seriously? I mean, yeah, he should have been in jail, but that was 40 years ago. Stretching, are we?

[BradLohaus]

I was expecting a "The Night the Lights went out in Georgia" youtube parody.

[PixelPusher]

All I know is I'm getting sick of the JFK comparisons.

"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." -- this is DEFINITELY NOT part of the Obama Doctrine.

"You see, the challenges we face will not be solved with one meeting in one night. Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time.

We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek."
- Barack Obama


Also, JFK was a major HAWK, had military experience, was more travelled, ... should I continue?
And how, exactly, does for calling for more troops in Afghanistan and raids against AQ in Pakistan make Obama a "dove"?


JFK was a conservative.
You're gonna have to do better than the Wild Cobra "it must be conservative if I approve of it" standard. And don't go pwning yourself with the "JFK cut taxes, ergo JFK is a conservative" spiel; besides drawing yet another favorable comparison to Obama's tax cuts, it also leaves out this tidbit:


http://www.slate.com/id/2093947

There's a final problem with portraying Kennedy as the ideological kin of Reagan and Bush on tax policy. Kennedy, it turns out, initially wanted to use government spending, not tax cuts, as the means to put dollars in people's hands. But that idea ran aground in 1962 because conservatives in Congress opposed it, while the president's aides feared that the bond market might respond to additional spending with higher rates that could offset their gains. Still, even as Kennedy accepted tax reduction as the first step along the route to growth, he never gave up his spending idea. "First, we'll have your tax cut," he told Heller; "then we'll have my expenditures program."

Like scripture, it seems, John F. Kennedy can be quoted for many purposes.

At best, that makes JFK a Dubya Bush "conservative"...but then you guys are always bitching that Dubya (and the rest of the current GOP) wasn't a true conservative...whatever the hell that moving goalpost of a definition is suppose to be.

[DarrinS]

"You see, the challenges we face will not be solved with one meeting in one night. Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time.

We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek."
- Barack Obama


And how, exactly, does for calling for more troops in Afghanistan and raids against AQ in Pakistan make Obama a "dove"?


You're gonna have to do better than the Wild Cobra "it must be conservative if I approve of it" standard. And don't go pwning yourself with the "JFK cut taxes, ergo JFK is a conservative" spiel; besides drawing yet another favorable comparison to Obama's tax cuts, it also leaves out this tidbit:


At best, that makes JFK a Dubya Bush "conservative"...but then you guys are always bitching that Dubya (and the rest of the current GOP) wasn't a true conservative...whatever the hell that moving goalpost of a definition is suppose to be.



JFK was more conservative than Obama OR McCain.


And JFK would've NEVER has this ad.

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[implacable44]

Are you upset because your guys are just as corrupt as the liberal boneheads you've listed, or are you upset because the liberal ones were too smart to get caught and your guys couldn't even slide under the radar during eight years of a Republican political orgy?

You really shouldn't worry. I'm sure your guys will all be pardoned in a month or so.

If they didn't get caught then how come we all know about the bad things they did ?

[rr2418]

I have to say that I agree with DarrinS. All those people looked like they were in a daze, some even raising up the arms like when they're praying to God!

[TheMadHatter]

If you don't understand the appeal Obama has to America......you're probably white and you're probably from the South.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

If you don't understand the appeal Obama has to America......you're probably white and you're probably from the South.

if you don't understand how fucking idiotic that statement was, then you're probably retarded...

WTF does being white have to do with anything? if there is one fucking thing I dislike about Obamatards is their necessity to ALWAYS make EVERYTHING about race.

[Sigmund]

yeah...sure. kennedy should be in prison for negligent homicide..charlie rangel..mr. ethics should be in jail as well with his violations and defense of ignorance? retard. franks with his gay lover....dodd with his countrywide financed mortgage..the hypocrisy is endless with you freaking libtards.


Hrmmm. I see. You talk about gay lovers a lot.
Tell me, what do you associate with gay lovers? Do gay lovers arouse you?

[MaryAnnKilledGinger]

if you don't understand how fucking idiotic that statement was, then you're probably retarded...

WTF does being white have to do with anything? if there is one fucking thing I dislike about Obamatards is their necessity to ALWAYS make EVERYTHING about race.

First, race is important. Pretending like our history doesn't exist -- pretending like racism still doesn't exist -- is just silly. If race and gender and religion weren't of any bearing in America, then we wouldn't have a string of white, Christian men as the only leaders of our country since it's conception. Obama's victory is many things (some of them may prove to be bad) but the fact that America has shed its "original sin" of slavery enough to elect a man of color as our CIC is a big deal. If you don't see that and can't celebrate it even a little then you're either a racist or you're a product of our current atmosphere where race has no bearing. The previous would be unfortunate, while the latter is a good thing.

Not everything about Obama is about race. It's just stupid to ignore the race element when it's such a huge factor.

That said, I'm sure there are lots of reasons to be against Obama that aren't about race. However, if you have the deep-seeded hatred toward him that many on this board seem to express then the statement "you're probably white and probably from the south" doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me.

[Winehole23]

DarrinS waved goodbye to America eight days after he voted for Obama. What a patriot.

[cheguevara]

DarrinS = Angeluv?

[Agloco]

Evidently, the article has struck a nerve. The same nerve that gives Chris Mathhews a "thrill up his leg".

A bit melodramatic no?

:cry

[Winehole23]

DarrinS = Angeluv?No chance.

AngelLuv is a nice lady. Whatever her faults may be, she is an honest, direct and self-disclosing person. She has character, she has passion, and she has an effing opinion.







I would say none of those things about Darrin.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

[Winehole23]

Don't be bad mouthing AngelLuv now

[Winehole23]

I was expecting a "The Night the Lights went out in Georgia" youtube parody.Not word for word, more lip-synched:


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[DarrinS]

DarrinS waved goodbye to America eight days after he voted for Obama. What a patriot.


Bumping a 3 yr old thread? Really? What's the point?

Is the country really better off than it was 3 years ago?

[Winehole23]

Bumping a 3 yr old thread? Really? What's the point?...strike a nerve?

[Winehole23]

Is the country really better off than it was 3 years ago?no dumbass, no one said so. except you.

[boutons_deux]

"Is the country really better off than it was 3 years ago?"

so you dishonestly (surprise!) blame Obama and the Dems for the disasters they inherited from dubya, esp when Rush and Repugs want the country to fail so assholes like you and Repugs can blame it all on Obama in 2012.

[DarrinS]

...strike a nerve?

You're just a douche. Why not try something different and go outside today?

[Winehole23]

Strike a nerve was a good enough reason to post it in the first place, but I should go play with myself.

Tell us Darrin, what happened between election day and eight days later that changed your mind?

[Winehole23]

Or did you lie about that too?

[clambake]

he came into this forum lying. only took him 3 years to admit it.

[DarrinS]

Or did you lie about that too?

Get your fat ass off your chair and go outside for some much needed exercise.

[Winehole23]

you're not my coach

[Winehole23]

go away with yourself if you hate it so much mr. non-denial denial

[MannyIsGod]

Bumping a 3 yr old thread? Really? What's the point?

Is the country really better off than it was 3 years ago?

The point was to laugh at how stupid you were 3 years ago.

Point well made, WH. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

You're just a douche. Why not try something different and go outside today?

Do you post Youtubes from the great outdoors?


Is it possible for you to post something without leaving yourself wide open for the obvious response?

[DarrinS]

The point was to laugh at how stupid you were 3 years ago.

Point well made, WH. :lol


Obama sure turned things around, didn't he? The people who feel stupid are the ones who went to the inaugural party in DC. Didn't you go?

[DarrinS]

Do you post Youtubes from the great outdoors?


Is it possible for you to post something without leaving yourself wide open for the obvious response?


I'm not a great, big fat person like WH.

[Winehole23]

Point well made, WH. :lolMine was that Darrin is a goddam lie, but yours could be right too.

[Winehole23]

I'm not a great, big fat person like WH.Normally that would be reckoned as the advantage in size, but the internet is a great equalizer.

[MannyIsGod]

Obama sure turned things around, didn't he? The people who feel stupid are the ones who went to the inaugural party in DC. Didn't you go?

Yeah I went. Funny thing is, there will be another Inauguration fairly soon. Kinda funny considering America is gone now, isn't it?

Or maybe you just posted another article that said "The morning we welcomed America back!"?

[MannyIsGod]

I'm not a great, big fat person like WH.

I'm not sure what size WH is but I know I'd rather be fat and have WH's intellect than be anything and as dumb as you.

[MannyIsGod]

Normally that would be reckoned as the advantage in size, but the internet is a great equalizer.

Darrin has so little credibility that I wouldn't even give him enough credit to accurately measure his own waistline, fwiw.

[DarrinS]

I'm not sure what size WH is but I know I'd rather be fat and have WH's intellect than be anything and as dumb as you.


Awwwe. That's sweet.

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm not a great, big fat person like WH.

*perk*

[MannyIsGod]

Awwwe. That's sweet.

Jealous?

[Winehole23]

i'm not jabba the hutt, but i carry a spare tire, sure.

[Winehole23]

played soccer at "a competitive level" as recently as three years ago

[Winehole23]

so my slump into middle age and physical decrepitude is hardly complete

[Winehole23]

perh. well underway, yes

[TeyshaBlue]

<--------- Entered the 2011 Boston Lethargathon.:lobt:

[Winehole23]

how'd you do? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Darrin posts while running 10Ks.

Outdoors.

At work.

[coyotes_geek]

<--------- Entered the 2011 Boston Lethargathon.:lobt:

I entered that once.

Didn't finish........

[Winehole23]

...once undertaken, maybe it never stops

[hater]

we said goodbye to america when this guy came to power:

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000233659/polls_george_bush_sour_2913_784234_answer_2_xlarge .jpeg

[Winehole23]

nope. it started way before that too.

[Winehole23]

last hundred were a doozy

[cheguevara]

we said goodbye to america when this guy came to power:

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000233659/polls_george_bush_sour_2913_784234_answer_2_xlarge .jpeg

[Winehole23]

:lolOn the antichrist thing there may have been some congruence. At least AngeLuv could parse it out a little bit, Darrin just adopted that troll with the flamejob.

[coyotes_geek]

last hundred were a doozy

No love for Ike? :)

[Winehole23]

i like Ike

[Winehole23]

if there was still a Taft wing of the Republican Party I could probably get on board

[Winehole23]

RP tries to rep that, but I like Bob Taft and Dwight Eisenhower much better

[Winehole23]

Woodrow Wilson and the first world war fucked it all up irreparably, imho, but liberal corporatism and political progressivism were already in full swing well before that. WWI is the inflection point for me...

[Winehole23]

that's when we really started waving goodbye

[clambake]

that's when we really started waving goodbye

clearly.....you're in the mood to recommend some good sauvignon blanc.

what ya got?

[Winehole23]

drink everything Brander (http://www.brander.com/wines.html) releases and get back to me. they used to be really great. i haven't had em in awhile.

[Winehole23]

i favor the french over the kiwi style of SB and in fact prefer offbeat whites of varied description to sauvignon blanc.

(e.g., ugni blanc, colombard, clairette, grenache blanc, rolle, pinot bianco, albarinyo, verdejo, viura, roereo arneis, pinot gris, cortese, etc., etc.,...)

[Winehole23]

vernaccia, verdicchio

[Winehole23]

white bugey smells like cheese. is it made from altesse?

[Winehole23]

champagne is always good

[clambake]

thank you, sir. :toast

[Winehole23]

do you like white burgundy?

[Winehole23]

hard to go wrong if you pick the right one

[clambake]

do you like white burgundy?

not sure if i've ever had that.

[Winehole23]

start with anything that has the word Macon on it, then move up to Chablis

[Winehole23]

your instincts will do the rest

[clambake]

i'll start with brander.

[Winehole23]

i doubt you'll be sorry

[Winehole23]

their estate SB might actually be around somewhere

[Winehole23]

do you live close to a Central Market?

[clambake]

do you live close to a Central Market?

i'm in socal, shouldn't be a problem. thanks for all the options.

[Winehole23]

lucky basterd

[Winehole23]

:tu

[clambake]

lucky basterd


:tu

don't know how you guys can live in texas.

[Winehole23]

got used to it

[Winehole23]

there might not be a cure