Real Reason For Spurs Decline

[Galileo]

Since 1989, when the Spurs drafted Sean Elliott, they have only had one lottery pick.

Only one lottery pick in 19 years!

The other NBA teams have been stockpiling lottery picks for 19 years, while the Spurs have been stockpiling wins and championships. Now time may have caught up with us.

[BruceBowenFan]

:sleep

[DROB4EVER]

The spurs problems are on D and rebounding. That trend started a couple years ago and has gotten woarse over the last three seasons. If the Spurs are gonna stick with the 2010 plan, then it is likely we will suffer this year and be a lottery team or at best 8th seed.

A healthy spurs team in the 8th seed wont be an easy out but I cant see us winning a title from the 8th spot.

Ian can help if he plays the way the spurs expect, but I am clueless why we have not made a move yet. S Williams is riding the pine in NJ and they have made it known he can be had. He would be a perfect fit.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The other NBA teams have been stockpiling lottery picks for 19 years, while the Spurs have been stockpiling wins and championships. Now time may have caught up with us.

No shit

[Bender]

remember kids, "success is bad"

[#2!]

S Williams is riding the pine in NJ and they have made it known he can be had. He would be a perfect fit.

Yeah another 5p 4reb guy will DEFINITELY save our season.:downspin:

[I. Hustle]

NBA Draft
Top 14 Picks Since 1980


Year No. 1 No. 2 No. 3 No. 4 No. 5
2006 Andrea Bargnani- LaMarcus Aldridge -Adam Morrison -Tyrus Thomas -Shelden Williams
2005 Andrew Bogut -Marvin Williams -Deron Williams -Chris Paul -Raymond Felton
2004 Dwight Howard -Emeka Okafor -Ben Gordon -Shaun Livingston -Devin Harris
2003 LeBron James -Darko Milicic -Carmelo Anthony -Chris Bosh -Dwyane Wade
2002 Yao Ming -Jay Williams -Mike Dunleavy -Drew Gooden -Nikoloz Tskitishvili
2001 Kwame Brown -Tyson Chandler -Pau Gasol -Eddy Curry -Jason Richardson
2000 Kenyon Martin -Stromile Swift -Darius Miles -Marcus Fizer -Mike Miller
1999 Elton Brand -Steve Francis -Baron Davis -Lamar Odom -Jonathan Bender
1998 Michael Olowokandi -Mike Bibby -Raef LaFrentz -Antawn Jamison -Vince Carter
1997 Tim Duncan -Keith Van Horn -Chauncey Billups -Antonio Daniels -Tony Battie
1996 Allen Iverson -Marcus Camby -Shareef Abdur-Rahim -Stephon Marbury -Ray Allen
1995 Joe Smith -Antonio McDyess -Jerry Stackhouse -Rasheed Wallace -Kevin Garnett
1994 Glenn Robinson -Jason Kidd -Grant Hill -Donyell Marshall -Juwan Howard
1993 Chris Webber -Shawn Bradley -Anfernee Hardaway -Jamal Mashburn -Isaiah Rider
1992 Shaquille O'Neal -Alonzo Mourning -Christian Laettner -Jim Jackson -LaPhonso Ellis
1991 Larry Johnson -Kenny Anderson -Billy Owens -Dikembe Mutombo -Steve Smith
1990 Derrick Coleman -Gary Payton -Chris Jackson -Dennis Scott -Kendall Gill
1989 Pervis Ellison -Danny Ferry -Sean Elliott -Glen Rice -J.R. Reid
1988 Danny Manning -Rik Smits -Charles Smith -Chris Morris -Mitch Richmond
1987 David Robinson -Armon Gilliam -Dennis Hopson -Reggie Williams -Scottie Pippen
1986 Brad Daugherty -Len Bias -Chris Washburn -Chuck Person -Kenny Walker
1985 Patrick Ewing Wayman Tisdale Benoit Benjamin Xavier McDaniel Jon Koncak
1984 Hakeem Olajuwon Sam Bowie Michael Jordan Sam Perkins Charles Barkley
1983 Ralph Sampson Steve Stipanovich Rodney McCray Byron Scott Sidney Green
1982 James Worthy Terry Cummings Dominique Wilkins Bill Garnett LaSalle Thompson
1981 Mark Aguirre Isiah Thomas Buck Williams Al Wood Danny Vranes
1980 Joe Barry Carroll Darrell Griffith Kevin McHale Kelvin Ransey James Ray
Year No. 6 No. 7 No. 8 No. 9 No. 10
2006 Brandon Roy Randy Foye Rudy Gay Patrick O'Bryant Saer Sene
2005 Martell Webster Charlie Villanueva Channing Frye Ike Diogu Andrew Bynum
2004 Josh Childress Luol Deng Rafael Araujo Andre Iguodala Luke Jackson
2003 Chris Kaman Kirk Hinrich T.J. Ford Mike Sweetney Jarvis Hayes
2002 Dajuan Wagner Nene Hilario Chris Wilcox Amare Stoudemire Caron Butler
2001 Shane Battier Eddie Griffin DeSagana Diop Rodney White Joe Johnson
2000 DerMarr Johnson Chris Mihm Jamal Crawford Joel Pryzbilla Keyon Dooling
1999 Wally Szczerbiak Richard Hamilton Andre Miller Shawn Marion Jason Terry
1998 Robert Traylor Jason Williams Larry Hughes Dirk Nowitzki Paul Pierce
1997 Ron Mercer Tim Thomas Adonal Foyle Tracy McGrady Danny Fortson
1996 Antoine Walker Lorenzen Wright Kerry Kittles Samaki Walker Erick Dampier
1995 Bryant Reeves Damon Stoudamire Shawn Respert Ed O'Bannon Kurt Thomas
1994 Sharone Wright Lamond Murray Brian Grant Eric Montross Eddie Jones
1993 Calbert Cheaney Bobby Hurley Vin Baker Rodney Rogers Lindsey Hunter
1992 Tom Gugliotta Walt Williams Todd Day Clarence Weatherspoon Adam Keefe
1991 Doug Smith Luc Longley Mark Macon Stacey Augmon Brian Williams
1990 Felton Spencer Lionel Simmons Bo Kimble Willie Burton Rumeal Robinson
1989 Stacey King George McCloud Randy White Tom Hammonds Pooh Richardson
1988 Hersey Hawkins Tim Perry Rex Chapman Rony Seikaly Willie Anderson
1987 Kenny Smith Kevin Johnson Olden Polynice Derrick McKey Horace Grant
1986 William Bedford Roy Tarpley Ron Harper Brad Sellers Johnny Dawkins
1985 Joe Kleine Chris Mullin Detlef Schrempf Charles Oakley Ed Pinckney
1984 Mel Turpin Alvin Robertson Lancaster Gordon Otis Thorpe Leon Wood
1983 Russell Cross Thurl Bailey Antoine Carr Dale Ellis Jeff Malone
1982 Trent Tucker Quintin Dailey Clark Kellogg Cliff Levingston Keith Edmonson
1981 Orlando Woolridge Steve Johnson Tom Chambers Rolando Blackman Albert King
1980 Mike O'Koren Mike Gminksi Andrew Toney Michael Brooks Ronnie Lester


How many champs you see in there?

[DROB4EVER]

Yeah another 5p 4reb guy will DEFINITELY save our season.:downspin:

A 21 yr old, 6-10 shot blocking machine would make a huge diff!
If he gets starter mins he would avg 10ppg 10rpg and 3-4 blocks pr game, are you telling me that wouldnt help out a bunch.

You dont know much about basket ball, the spurs are losing cause they cannot rebound or stop guys in the paint, Williams can do both.

[Galileo]

NBA Draft
Top 14 Picks Since 1980


Year No. 1 No. 2 No. 3 No. 4 No. 5
2006 Andrea Bargnani- LaMarcus Aldridge -Adam Morrison -Tyrus Thomas -Shelden Williams
2005 Andrew Bogut -Marvin Williams -Deron Williams -Chris Paul -Raymond Felton
2004 Dwight Howard -Emeka Okafor -Ben Gordon -Shaun Livingston -Devin Harris
2003 LeBron James -Darko Milicic -Carmelo Anthony -Chris Bosh -Dwyane Wade
2002 Yao Ming -Jay Williams -Mike Dunleavy -Drew Gooden -Nikoloz Tskitishvili
2001 Kwame Brown -Tyson Chandler -Pau Gasol -Eddy Curry -Jason Richardson
2000 Kenyon Martin -Stromile Swift -Darius Miles -Marcus Fizer -Mike Miller
1999 Elton Brand -Steve Francis -Baron Davis -Lamar Odom -Jonathan Bender
1998 Michael Olowokandi -Mike Bibby -Raef LaFrentz -Antawn Jamison -Vince Carter
1997 Tim Duncan -Keith Van Horn -Chauncey Billups -Antonio Daniels -Tony Battie
1996 Allen Iverson -Marcus Camby -Shareef Abdur-Rahim -Stephon Marbury -Ray Allen
1995 Joe Smith -Antonio McDyess -Jerry Stackhouse -Rasheed Wallace -Kevin Garnett
1994 Glenn Robinson -Jason Kidd -Grant Hill -Donyell Marshall -Juwan Howard
1993 Chris Webber -Shawn Bradley -Anfernee Hardaway -Jamal Mashburn -Isaiah Rider
1992 Shaquille O'Neal -Alonzo Mourning -Christian Laettner -Jim Jackson -LaPhonso Ellis
1991 Larry Johnson -Kenny Anderson -Billy Owens -Dikembe Mutombo -Steve Smith
1990 Derrick Coleman -Gary Payton -Chris Jackson -Dennis Scott -Kendall Gill
1989 Pervis Ellison -Danny Ferry -Sean Elliott -Glen Rice -J.R. Reid
1988 Danny Manning -Rik Smits -Charles Smith -Chris Morris -Mitch Richmond
1987 David Robinson -Armon Gilliam -Dennis Hopson -Reggie Williams -Scottie Pippen
1986 Brad Daugherty -Len Bias -Chris Washburn -Chuck Person -Kenny Walker
1985 Patrick Ewing Wayman Tisdale Benoit Benjamin Xavier McDaniel Jon Koncak
1984 Hakeem Olajuwon Sam Bowie Michael Jordan Sam Perkins Charles Barkley
1983 Ralph Sampson Steve Stipanovich Rodney McCray Byron Scott Sidney Green
1982 James Worthy Terry Cummings Dominique Wilkins Bill Garnett LaSalle Thompson
1981 Mark Aguirre Isiah Thomas Buck Williams Al Wood Danny Vranes
1980 Joe Barry Carroll Darrell Griffith Kevin McHale Kelvin Ransey James Ray
Year No. 6 No. 7 No. 8 No. 9 No. 10
2006 Brandon Roy Randy Foye Rudy Gay Patrick O'Bryant Saer Sene
2005 Martell Webster Charlie Villanueva Channing Frye Ike Diogu Andrew Bynum
2004 Josh Childress Luol Deng Rafael Araujo Andre Iguodala Luke Jackson
2003 Chris Kaman Kirk Hinrich T.J. Ford Mike Sweetney Jarvis Hayes
2002 Dajuan Wagner Nene Hilario Chris Wilcox Amare Stoudemire Caron Butler
2001 Shane Battier Eddie Griffin DeSagana Diop Rodney White Joe Johnson
2000 DerMarr Johnson Chris Mihm Jamal Crawford Joel Pryzbilla Keyon Dooling
1999 Wally Szczerbiak Richard Hamilton Andre Miller Shawn Marion Jason Terry
1998 Robert Traylor Jason Williams Larry Hughes Dirk Nowitzki Paul Pierce
1997 Ron Mercer Tim Thomas Adonal Foyle Tracy McGrady Danny Fortson
1996 Antoine Walker Lorenzen Wright Kerry Kittles Samaki Walker Erick Dampier
1995 Bryant Reeves Damon Stoudamire Shawn Respert Ed O'Bannon Kurt Thomas
1994 Sharone Wright Lamond Murray Brian Grant Eric Montross Eddie Jones
1993 Calbert Cheaney Bobby Hurley Vin Baker Rodney Rogers Lindsey Hunter
1992 Tom Gugliotta Walt Williams Todd Day Clarence Weatherspoon Adam Keefe
1991 Doug Smith Luc Longley Mark Macon Stacey Augmon Brian Williams
1990 Felton Spencer Lionel Simmons Bo Kimble Willie Burton Rumeal Robinson
1989 Stacey King George McCloud Randy White Tom Hammonds Pooh Richardson
1988 Hersey Hawkins Tim Perry Rex Chapman Rony Seikaly Willie Anderson
1987 Kenny Smith Kevin Johnson Olden Polynice Derrick McKey Horace Grant
1986 William Bedford Roy Tarpley Ron Harper Brad Sellers Johnny Dawkins
1985 Joe Kleine Chris Mullin Detlef Schrempf Charles Oakley Ed Pinckney
1984 Mel Turpin Alvin Robertson Lancaster Gordon Otis Thorpe Leon Wood
1983 Russell Cross Thurl Bailey Antoine Carr Dale Ellis Jeff Malone
1982 Trent Tucker Quintin Dailey Clark Kellogg Cliff Levingston Keith Edmonson
1981 Orlando Woolridge Steve Johnson Tom Chambers Rolando Blackman Albert King
1980 Mike O'Koren Mike Gminksi Andrew Toney Michael Brooks Ronnie Lester


How many champs you see in there?

Wade, Shaq, D-Rob, Hakeem, Duncan, Billips, Ray Allen, Garnett, Jordan, Horace Grant, A-Daniels, Thorpe, Kenny Smith, Danny Ferrt of the top of my head.

[angelbelow]

NBA Draft
Top 14 Picks Since 1980


Year No. 1 No. 2 No. 3 No. 4 No. 5
2006 Andrea Bargnani- LaMarcus Aldridge -Adam Morrison -Tyrus Thomas -Shelden Williams
2005 Andrew Bogut -Marvin Williams -Deron Williams -Chris Paul -Raymond Felton
2004 Dwight Howard -Emeka Okafor -Ben Gordon -Shaun Livingston -Devin Harris
2003 LeBron James -Darko Milicic -Carmelo Anthony -Chris Bosh -Dwyane Wade
2002 Yao Ming -Jay Williams -Mike Dunleavy -Drew Gooden -Nikoloz Tskitishvili
2001 Kwame Brown -Tyson Chandler -Pau Gasol -Eddy Curry -Jason Richardson
2000 Kenyon Martin -Stromile Swift -Darius Miles -Marcus Fizer -Mike Miller
1999 Elton Brand -Steve Francis -Baron Davis -Lamar Odom -Jonathan Bender
1998 Michael Olowokandi -Mike Bibby -Raef LaFrentz -Antawn Jamison -Vince Carter
1997 Tim Duncan -Keith Van Horn -Chauncey Billups -Antonio Daniels -Tony Battie
1996 Allen Iverson -Marcus Camby -Shareef Abdur-Rahim -Stephon Marbury -Ray Allen
1995 Joe Smith -Antonio McDyess -Jerry Stackhouse -Rasheed Wallace -Kevin Garnett
1994 Glenn Robinson -Jason Kidd -Grant Hill -Donyell Marshall -Juwan Howard
1993 Chris Webber -Shawn Bradley -Anfernee Hardaway -Jamal Mashburn -Isaiah Rider
1992 Shaquille O'Neal -Alonzo Mourning -Christian Laettner -Jim Jackson -LaPhonso Ellis
1991 Larry Johnson -Kenny Anderson -Billy Owens -Dikembe Mutombo -Steve Smith
1990 Derrick Coleman -Gary Payton -Chris Jackson -Dennis Scott -Kendall Gill
1989 Pervis Ellison -Danny Ferry -Sean Elliott -Glen Rice -J.R. Reid
1988 Danny Manning -Rik Smits -Charles Smith -Chris Morris -Mitch Richmond
1987 David Robinso n-Armon Gilliam -Dennis Hopson -Reggie Williams -Scottie Pippen
1986 Brad Daugherty -Len Bias -Chris Washburn -Chuck Person -Kenny Walker
1985 Patrick Ewing Wayman Tisdale Benoit Benjamin Xavier McDaniel Jon Koncak
1984 Hakeem Olajuwon Sam Bowie Michael Jordan Sam Perkins Charles Barkley
1983 Ralph Sampson Steve Stipanovich Rodney McCray Byron Scott Sidney Green
1982 James Worthy Terry Cummings Dominique Wilkins Bill Garnett LaSalle Thompson
1981 Mark Aguirre Isiah Thomas Buck Williams Al Wood Danny Vranes
1980 Joe Barry Carroll Darrell Griffith Kevin McHale Kelvin Ransey James Ray


How many champs you see in there?

[I. Hustle]

:lol Ok let me rephrase. How many difference makers were there?


Plus AB, Barkley was never a champ

[tp2021]

Since 1989, when the Spurs drafted Sean Elliott, they have only had one lottery pick.

Only one lottery pick in 19 years!

The other NBA teams have been stockpiling lottery picks for 19 years, while the Spurs have been stockpiling wins and championships. Now time may have caught up with us.

That's kinda the point. Good teams get low picks because they don't need help. Bad teams get good picks because they do. That just means the system is working.

[angelbelow]

:lol Ok let me rephrase. How many difference makers were there?


Plus AB, Barkley was never a champ

LOL i cant believe i bolded him. :bang

[Obstructed_View]

Oh, waaa. Woe is us. We only got one lottery pick and ended up with one of the two easiest picks in the draft and one of probably the top two or three players in the NBA to come out during that stretch.