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boutons_
11-11-2008, 06:23 PM
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November 11, 2008

For South, a Waning Hold on National Politics
By ADAM NOSSITER (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/n/adam_nossiter/index.html?inline=nyt-per)

VERNON, Ala. — Fear of the politician with the unusual name and look did not end with last Tuesday’s vote in this rural red swatch where buck heads and rifles hang on the wall. This corner of the Deep South still resonates with negative feelings about the race of President-elect Barack Obama (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-per).

What may have ended on Election Day, though, is the centrality of the South to national politics. By voting so emphatically for Senator John McCain (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/john_mccain/index.html?inline=nyt-per) over Mr. Obama — supporting him in some areas in even greater numbers than they did President Bush — voters from Texas to South Carolina and Kentucky may have marginalized their region for some time to come, political experts say.

The region’s absence from Mr. Obama’s winning formula means it “is becoming distinctly less important,” said Wayne Parent, a political scientist at Louisiana State University. “The South has moved from being the center of the political universe to being an outside player in presidential politics.”

One reason for that is that the South is no longer a solid voting bloc. Along the Atlantic Coast, parts of the “suburban South,” notably Virginia and North Carolina, made history last week in breaking from their Confederate past and supporting Mr. Obama. Those states have experienced an influx of better educated and more prosperous voters in recent years, pointing them in a different political direction than states farther west, like Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana and Mississippi, and Appalachian sections of Kentucky and Tennessee.

Southern counties that voted more heavily Republican this year than in 2004 tended to be poorer, less educated and whiter, (aka, right-wing SpursTalkers. :lol)a statistical analysis by The New York Times shows. Mr. Obama won in only 44 counties in the Appalachian belt, a stretch of 410 counties that runs from New York to Mississippi.

Many of those counties, rural and isolated, have been less exposed to the diversity, educational achievement and economic progress experienced by more prosperous areas.

The increased turnout in the South’s so-called Black Belt, or old plantation-country counties, was visible in the results, but it generally could not make up for the solid white support for Mr. McCain. Alabama, for example, experienced a heavy black turnout and voted slightly more Democratic than in 2004, but the state over all gave 60 percent of its vote to Mr. McCain. (Arkansas, however, doubled the margin of victory it gave to the Republican over 2004.)

Less than a third of Southern whites voted for Mr. Obama, compared with 43 percent of whites nationally. By leaving the mainstream so decisively, the Deep South and Appalachia will no longer be able to dictate that winning Democrats have Southern accents or adhere to conservative policies on issues like welfare and tax policy, experts say.

That could spell the end of the so-called Southern strategy, the doctrine that took shape under President Richard M. Nixon (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/n/richard_milhous_nixon/index.html?inline=nyt-per) in which national elections were won by co-opting Southern whites on racial issues. And the Southernization of American politics — which reached its apogee in the 1990s when many Congressional leaders and President Bill Clinton (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/bill_clinton/index.html?inline=nyt-per) were from the South — appears to have ended.
“I think that’s absolutely over,” said Thomas Schaller, a political scientist who argued prophetically that the Democrats could win national elections without the South.

The Republicans, meanwhile, have “become a Southernized party,” said Mr. Schaller, who teaches at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County. “They have completely marginalized themselves to a mostly regional party,” he said, pointing out that nearly half of the current Republican House delegation is now Southern.

Merle Black, an expert on the region’s politics at Emory University (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/e/emory_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org) in Atlanta, said the Republican Party (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/republican_party/index.html?inline=nyt-org) went too far in appealing to the South, alienating voters elsewhere.

“They’ve maxed out on the South,” he said, which has “limited their appeal in the rest of the country.”

Even the Democrats made use of the Southern strategy, as the party’s two presidents in the last 40 years, Jimmy Carter (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/jimmy_carter/index.html?inline=nyt-per) and Mr. Clinton, were Southerners whose presence on the ticket served to assuage regional anxieties. Mr. Obama has now proved it is no longer necessary to include a Southerner on the national ticket — to quiet racial fears, for example — in order to win, in the view of analysts.

Several Southern states, including Arkansas, Louisiana and Tennessee, have voted for the winner in presidential elections for decades. No more. And Mr. Obama’s race appears to have been the critical deciding factor in pushing ever greater numbers of white Southerners away from the Democrats.

Here in Alabama, where Mr. McCain won 60.4 percent of the vote in his best Southern showing, he had the support of nearly 9 in 10 whites, according to exit polls, a figure comparable to other Southern states. Alabama analysts pointed to the persistence of traditional white Southern attitudes on race as the deciding factor in Mr. McCain’s strong margin. Mr. Obama won in Jefferson County, which includes the city of Birmingham, and in the Black Belt, but he made few inroads elsewhere.

“Race continues to play a major role in the state,” said Glenn Feldman, a historian at the University of Alabama (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/u/university_of_alabama/index.html?inline=nyt-org), Birmingham. “Alabama, unfortunately, continues to remain shackled to the bonds of yesterday.” ( like Texas :lol)

David Bositis, senior political analyst at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, pointed out that the 18 percent share of whites that voted for Senator John Kerry (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/k/john_kerry/index.html?inline=nyt-per) in 2004 was almost cut in half for Mr. Obama.

“There’s no other explanation than race,” he said.

In Arkansas, which had among the nation’s largest concentration of counties increasing their support for the Republican candidate over the 2004 vote, “there’s a clear indication that racial conservatism was a component of that shift away from the Democrat,” said Jay Barth, a political scientist in the state.

Race was a strong subtext in post-election conversations across the socioeconomic spectrum here in Vernon, the small, struggling seat of Lamar County on the Mississippi border.

One white woman said she feared that blacks would now become more “aggressive,” while another volunteered that she was bothered by the idea of a black man “over me” in the White House.

( yeah, baby, how aggressively lynching a few Repug whites? Don't want to disappoint their paranoia! :lol)

Mr. McCain won 76 percent of the county’s vote, about five percentage points more than Mr. Bush did, because “a lot more people came out, hoping to keep Obama out,” Joey Franks, a construction worker, said in the parking lot of the Shop and Save.
Mr. Franks, who voted for Mr. McCain, said he believed that “over 50 percent voted against Obama for racial reasons,” adding that in his own case race mattered “a little bit. That’s in my mind.”

Many people made it clear that they were deeply apprehensive about Mr. Obama, though some said they were hoping for the best.

“I think any time you have someone elected president of the United States with a Muslim name, whether they are white or black, there are some very unsettling things,” George W. Newman, a director at a local bank and the former owner of a trucking business, said over lunch at Yellow Creek Fish and Steak.

Don Dollar, the administrative assistant at City Hall, said bitterly that anyone not upset with Mr. Obama’s victory should seek religious forgiveness.

“This is a community that’s supposed to be filled with a bunch of Christian folks,” he said. “If they’re not disappointed, they need to be at the altar.”

(aka, Repug Racist Christians )

Customers of Bill Pennington, a barber whose downtown shop is decorated with hunting and fishing trophies, were “scared because they heard he had a Muslim background,” Mr. Pennington said over the country music on the radio. “Over and over again I heard that.”

Mr. Obama remains an unknown quantity in this corner of the South, and there are deep worries about the changes he will bring.

“I am concerned,” Gail McDaniel, who owns a cosmetics business, said in the parking lot of the Shop and Save. “The abortion thing bothers me. Same-sex marriage (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/s/same_sex_marriage/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier).”

“I think there are going to be outbreaks from blacks,” she added. “From where I’m from, this is going to give them the right to be more aggressive.”

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America the Beautiful!! :lol

Now watch the Repugs and conservatives come in and be pissed that the Repugs are called out as, demonstrated to be without any doubt, the party of racists (and Christian/White Supremacists).

Thank you, McNasty and pitbull bitch, you gave America such a wonderfully gracious, intelligent, uplifting campaign, flattering the American Democracy.

Findog
11-11-2008, 06:43 PM
Fuck these idiots. They deserve to have their worst fantasies about Obama come true. It never ceases to amaze when poor white trash votes Republican.

Aggie Hoopsfan
11-11-2008, 07:13 PM
boutons, is there anyone not liberal that you don't hate?

Fuck. You are the most hypocritical son of a bitch on this forum. Whining about unity, etc. and then you're posting post after post full of hate (just look at your thread titles).

Fuck man, go get laid or something. Slip mom a 20 and maybe she'll give your pathetic ass a hand job or something.


Here in Alabama, where Mr. McCain won 60.4 percent of the vote in his best Southern showing, he had the support of nearly 9 in 10 whites

(bolded by you). 95% of blacks voted for Obama, I guess they're all racists too, using your logic, correct?

DarrinS
11-11-2008, 11:11 PM
boutons is to political unity as butt plug is to ass cheeks.

Tully365
11-12-2008, 04:47 AM
boutons, is there anyone not liberal that you don't hate?

Fuck. You are the most hypocritical son of a bitch on this forum. Whining about unity, etc. and then you're posting post after post full of hate (just look at your thread titles).

Fuck man, go get laid or something. Slip mom a 20 and maybe she'll give your pathetic ass a hand job or something.



(bolded by you). 95% of blacks voted for Obama, I guess they're all racists too, using your logic, correct?

:lol at the idea of AHF and boutons calling each other hateful. You guys are mirror images of each other, one on the right and the other on the left.

boutons_
11-12-2008, 12:36 PM
"is there anyone not liberal that you don't hate"

Hate? who says I hate? I dissent and detest strongly against the shit the Repugs have visited on the country and the world, disasters that have cost 100 of 1000s of lives, and will continue for years, and of course detest the Repugs, neo-c*nts, conservatives, and all they represent.

Racist Repug party and their racist red-state voting bloc, let's hear your defense.

Anti.Hero
11-12-2008, 01:15 PM
Fuck these idiots. They deserve to have their worst fantasies about Obama come true. It never ceases to amaze when poor white trash votes Republican.

And the poor black ghetto trash that vote for Obama.


Oh snaaaaaap

Findog
11-12-2008, 01:38 PM
And the poor black ghetto trash that vote for Obama.


Oh snaaaaaap

The Dems get 90% of the black vote for a reason. To be fair, they don't come close to delivering on their promises to their constituents, but what is the GOP offering blacks? Nothing. What's hilarious is poor white trash voting Republican.

baseline bum
11-12-2008, 01:39 PM
That article perfectly sums up why Colin Powell would have never been elected president as a Republican.

Anti.Hero
11-12-2008, 01:41 PM
The Dems get 90% of the black vote for a reason. To be fair, they don't come close to delivering on their promises to their constituents, but what is the GOP offering blacks? Nothing. What's hilarious is poor white trash voting Republican.

Poor white trash don't look for as many handouts as poor black ghetto trash I guess.

Anti.Hero
11-12-2008, 01:43 PM
Once again, the left plays this game where they sterotype repubs as sexist and racist.

Until, a woman or black runs having conservative values then the left runs them into the ground. Your heroes are all hypocrites. They brainwash you, so you libtards don't even see what is going on.

It's funny how the left, how the libtards, are so often first to bring race and gender into the conversation.

Keep your minions angry and victims!!!111 That's all you fucking have.

baseline bum
11-12-2008, 01:54 PM
Is that the longest post you've ever made on this forum?

boutons_
11-12-2008, 02:18 PM
a.h is the typical target of the Repug racist strategy, and perfect target audience for hate-media like Fox and hate-radio.

MaryAnnKilledGinger
11-12-2008, 02:30 PM
Poor white trash don't look for as many handouts as poor black ghetto trash I guess.

Actually, studies show that when all circumstances are equal, the rate at which whites and blacks will seek government assistance is nearly identical. The difference is that whites have more opportunities to advance, are less likely to be caught and held on charges for crimes, and, in most cases, a poor white child still starts out at a higher standard of living above the average poor black child.

Obviously there are problems in the black culture that are unique to that community and still need to be addressed (teenage pregnancy rates and single-parent homes being statistics that are significantly out of line with the national average). But, when you adjust to make all things equal, poor white and poor blacks seek assistance at the same rate.

Luckily, these numbers are becoming more and more even as black children find better opportunities. And government assistance can be available to those who need it...even Joe the Plumber's mother.



Until, a woman or black runs having conservative values then the left runs them into the ground. Your heroes are all hypocrites. They brainwash you, so you libtards don't even see what is going on.

Katherine Harris, Sarah Palin, Alan Keyes. These are the women and black people the right champions in their ranks and they are, by and large, unqualified jokes. meanwhile, people like Linda Lingle and M. Jodi Rell toil in obscurity within their own party. The rot is in the GOP boat on this one.